Re: Golden Apples
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Re: Golden Apples
I remember playing around with the early Votrax. What I remember is a
little embarrassing. WE used to try to make the Votrax cuss. No matter
what you typed, it wouldn't say a cuss word. Sounds dumb now but when
I was in my teens it was fascinating to me that we couldn't get that
synth to cuss.
On Jun 6, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Gary W. Kelly wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Some of us were around even before the Echo and Cricket. My first
> Apple was an Apple II-I--from 1977, and I was already out of undergrad
> school and working before Apple began.
>
> Anyone remember the Vocoder, or early Votrax?
>
> Yes, I do remember Mountain Hardware, and owned one of their
> products. The card was a graphics card that handled sprites, did
> large print, and did have a limited speech capability. That came out
> in the 1980's after we had floppy drives, and were no longer loading
> from a cassette tape! Back in those days, one wrote all programs of a
> special nature oneself--often in Apple Basic, which came out in the
> late 70's. The first basic was an Integer Basic, which is why the II-I
> was called a 2-I. It had no floating point basic. Bill Gates wrote
> the basic for Apple, and Apple had the good sense to buy it from him
> outright. The old machines came with 48K of RAM! We did a lot with
> them.
>
> It was very exciting to get fancy new hardware with 1980--the Apple II
> Plus, had 64K, floppy drives!--and even a modem that was 300 baud, as
> opposed to the older ones of 110. Dennis Hayes was a young professor
> at Georgia Tech then, and just getting started.
>
> Visicalc was written for the Apple in the early 1980's, and started
> the real revolution to the PC. I remember being excited to get a
> chip for my old Apple that let me have upper and lower case, so I
> could better do word processing with it--with a product called Tedit,
> and later Apple Writer [], called Apple Writer 2.
>
> My first printer was an old ASR-33 teletype, that only wrote in
> uppercase. It was so loud, that we either left the room when
> printing, or put the thing out in the hall to print. I put wheels on
> it, to wheel it outside of the door!
>
> I was highly productive in those days. While many of my colleagues
> were laborious writing out their papers and proposals in longhand,
> Remember that art?--[grin]--I could write my papers on the Apple, edit
> them, and print the rough draft on that old ASR-33! I could give a
> ready draft to my secretary, so it could be typed into a final draft--
> ready to go. I was more productive than my peers.
>
> It was an exciting time. Advances came along all the time--and major
> ones. There were a number of other Apple products that flopped, and
> the Apple was the cash cow for Apple. The Lisa, the Apple 3, came and
> went before Jobs got the Mac worked out.
>
> The difference between then and now was that leaps in computer tech
> came as more revolutionary than evolutionary. The mouse arrived then,
> and it changed the world.
>
> There was a portable Apple II called the IIc. The Apple II-E
> followed the II plus, and was the one most people know. The IIgs came
> in 1986--I still have mine. It has an old Slotbuster, which was made
> by Randy Carlstrum, of RC Systems--the precursor to the LiteTalk and
> DoubleTalk you know.
>
> I have 2 LiteTalks, and a DoubleTalk, too. I liked the Slotbuster, as
> it ran well with AppleWorks, which I used to write my thesis in grad
> school. By then, Macs were dominating the
> scene, as the Apple II Forever died in 1988, while Jobs left to form
> Next Computer.
>
> By then a younger Larry Schutchan wrote Proterm, and his first
> software for the Apple II. He quickly moved off to the PC, and the
> excellent work on ASAP.--No, he is still around--at A{PH, and is the
> creator of things you know, like Bookport--now extinct, and the
> Braille Plus, which many of you do know.
>
> AppleWorks was an amazing creation, in that it was one of the first
> Suites of software. It had a third party developer--there were many
> then working on Apple Products, called Beagle Brothers. Their
> enhancements put AppleWorks at the top of what one might do then.
>
> Back before the IIgs, there were music cards--one of the more notable
> was the ALF music card, which had an exciting sound for that time.
> The IIgs supplanted ALF.
>
> I did use an early edition of Outspoken for the Mac--the OS then on
> the Mac LC was 4.5, as I recall. It was upgradable to 7.5, and I
> believe that is what is still on it. I found that old Outspoken very
> difficult to use, and admit I chose the easier route of Word Perfect
> 5.1 on a PC with ASAP.
>
> The old LC is still in a box, and last I knew, it still runs. I did
> have my IIgs up this past year pulling off some old files of the 64mb
> HD I added to it, when I added the zipchip of 8 mhz. It took PC's
> until the 400 mhz processors to be as fast as an Apple II with my
> zipchip.
>
> AppleWorks had a PC reincarnation in DOS
Re: Golden Apples
While we're geezing about Apple IIs, I remember there was a shift-key
mod for the II+ where you would jumper the shift key to one of the game
controller buttons since it didn't really work otherwise when you did
the lower case text chip mod.
Beagle Bros had a little program that would alternate running two floppy
drives (for those so lucky) to sound like a steam train starting up.
The joy of cassette tape storage was you never really knew if your saved
copy was actually good. Only sure way to tell was to load it back into
the computer, which wiped out your previous work in memory. So if your
tape didn't write correctly you now had no copy on tape and your copy
in memory was gone.
The Apple II made sounds by accessing a certain memory address which
made a click. Do it fast enough and you got a tone of a certain pitch.
So you could search through games to change $C020 to $C030 which made
the clicks go to the cassette port. From there you could hook up your
boom box and get much better sound than the built in speaker.
The IIc had a button right on the top of the case to switch the keys to
Dvorak layout. I guess that never really took off :)
The IIgs was amazing for its time with the 32 channel Ensoniq sound chip.
CB
Gary W. Kelly wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Some of us were around even before the Echo and Cricket. My first
> Apple was an Apple II-I--from 1977, and I was already out of undergrad
> school and working before Apple began.
>
> Anyone remember the Vocoder, or early Votrax?
>
> Yes, I do remember Mountain Hardware, and owned one of their
> products. The card was a graphics card that handled sprites, did
> large print, and did have a limited speech capability. That came out
> in the 1980's after we had floppy drives, and were no longer loading
> from a cassette tape! Back in those days, one wrote all programs of a
> special nature oneself--often in Apple Basic, which came out in the
> late 70's. The first basic was an Integer Basic, which is why the II-I
> was called a 2-I. It had no floating point basic. Bill Gates wrote
> the basic for Apple, and Apple had the good sense to buy it from him
> outright. The old machines came with 48K of RAM! We did a lot with
> them.
>
> It was very exciting to get fancy new hardware with 1980--the Apple II
> Plus, had 64K, floppy drives!--and even a modem that was 300 baud, as
> opposed to the older ones of 110. Dennis Hayes was a young professor
> at Georgia Tech then, and just getting started.
>
> Visicalc was written for the Apple in the early 1980's, and started
> the real revolution to the PC. I remember being excited to get a
> chip for my old Apple that let me have upper and lower case, so I
> could better do word processing with it--with a product called Tedit,
> and later Apple Writer [], called Apple Writer 2.
>
> My first printer was an old ASR-33 teletype, that only wrote in
> uppercase. It was so loud, that we either left the room when
> printing, or put the thing out in the hall to print. I put wheels on
> it, to wheel it outside of the door!
>
> I was highly productive in those days. While many of my colleagues
> were laborious writing out their papers and proposals in longhand,
> Remember that art?--[grin]--I could write my papers on the Apple, edit
> them, and print the rough draft on that old ASR-33! I could give a
> ready draft to my secretary, so it could be typed into a final draft--
> ready to go. I was more productive than my peers.
>
> It was an exciting time. Advances came along all the time--and major
> ones. There were a number of other Apple products that flopped, and
> the Apple was the cash cow for Apple. The Lisa, the Apple 3, came and
> went before Jobs got the Mac worked out.
>
> The difference between then and now was that leaps in computer tech
> came as more revolutionary than evolutionary. The mouse arrived then,
> and it changed the world.
>
> There was a portable Apple II called the IIc. The Apple II-E
> followed the II plus, and was the one most people know. The IIgs came
> in 1986--I still have mine. It has an old Slotbuster, which was made
> by Randy Carlstrum, of RC Systems--the precursor to the LiteTalk and
> DoubleTalk you know.
>
> I have 2 LiteTalks, and a DoubleTalk, too. I liked the Slotbuster, as
> it ran well with AppleWorks, which I used to write my thesis in grad
> school. By then, Macs were dominating the
> scene, as the Apple II Forever died in 1988, while Jobs left to form
> Next Computer.
>
> By then a younger Larry Schutchan wrote Proterm, and his first
> software for the Apple II. He quickly moved off to the PC, and the
> excellent work on ASAP.--No, he is still around--at A{PH, and is the
> creator of things you know, like Bookport--now extinct, and the
> Braille Plus, which many of you do know.
>
> AppleWorks was an amazing creation, in that it was one of the first
> Suites of sof
RE: Golden Apples
I know this is probably way off topic and off the beaten path for this list but I have to chime in here. I know I haven't written or contributed in a while because they've worked our email addresses around but I wsaw this and had too. I started out with an apple 2E, in fifth grade, and remember seeing the apple 2 plus at a summer program in Pensacola. Nick Dotson, who you may or may not have seen on other lists taught that class, with the apples. I had the chance to see one of the older modems, the one like they had on War Games that he had dialedinto his house with to do different things, so it was a very interesting time indeed. To think that started accessibility for us then was an awesome thing. I used mine all the way through highschool, and college where I wrote plenty of term papers before it gave up the ghost and died after ten years or so of working like mad. The image writer printer I used worked with the Braille and Speak for years after that and got me through graduate school in Library science, so those products were made to last believe it or not. I'm fascinated by the development of os10 and snowleopard and can't wait to see where that goes. I have a lot of patrons that are going the way of the Apple and I am working towards that myself. Hopefully I can get my hands on a good Macbook or mac book pro. I may have to settle for a mini to begin with but I prefer the whole laptop thing. Anyway, thanks for listening and I'll hush before Cara and the mod crew hunt me down, Lol. Take care and thanks again for listening. Talk to you soon. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: g...@blindwisdom.org Subject: Re: Golden Apples While we're geezing about Apple IIs, I remember there was a shift-key mod for the II+ where you would jumper the shift key to one of the game controller buttons since it didn't really work otherwise when you did the lower case text chip mod. Beagle Bros had a little program that would alternate running two floppy drives (for those so lucky) to sound like a steam train starting up. The joy of cassette tape storage was you never really knew if your saved copy was actually good. Only sure way to tell was to load it back into the computer, which wiped out your previous work in memory. So if your tape didn't write correctly you now had no copy on tape and your copy in memory was gone. The Apple II made sounds by accessing a certain memory address which made a click. Do it fast enough and you got a tone of a certain pitch. So you could search through games to change $C020 to $C030 which made the clicks go to the cassette port. From there you could hook up your boom box and get much better sound than the built in speaker. The IIc had a button right on the top of the case to switch the keys to Dvorak layout. I guess that never really took off :) The IIgs was amazing for its time with the 32 channel Ensoniq sound chip. CB Gary W. Kelly wrote: > Hi, > > Some of us were around even before the Echo and Cricket. My first > Apple was an Apple II-I--from 1977, and I was already out of undergrad > school and working before Apple began. > > Anyone remember the Vocoder, or early Votrax? > > Yes, I do remember Mountain Hardware, and owned one of their > products. The card was a graphics card that handled sprites, did > large print, and did have a limited speech capability. That came out > in the 1980's after we had floppy drives, and were no longer loading > from a cassette tape! Back in those days, one wrote all programs of a > special nature oneself--often in Apple Basic, which came out in the > late 70's. The first basic was an Integer Basic, which is why the II-I > was called a 2-I. It had no floating point basic. Bill Gates wrote > the basic for Apple, and Apple had the good sense to buy it from him > outright. The old machines came with 48K of RAM! We did a lot with > them. > > It was very exciting to get fancy new hardware with 1980--the Apple II > Plus, had 64K, floppy drives!--and even a modem that was 300 baud, as > opposed to the older ones of 110. Dennis Hayes was a young professor > at Georgia Tech then, and just getting started. > > Visicalc was written for the Apple in the early 1980's, and started > the real revolution to the PC. I remember being excited to get a > chip for my old Apple that let me have upper and lower case, so I > could better do word processing with it--with a product called Tedit, > and later Apple Writer [], called Apple Writer 2. > > My first printer was an old ASR-33 teletype, that only wrote in > uppercase. It was so loud, that we either left the room when > printing, or put the thing out
Re: Golden Apples
We had the Hayes Micromodem II which consisted of a huge board plugged inside the computer plus an external box with even more stuff inside it hooked to the phone line. So for a mere $13 per hour to Compuserve plus something like $.50 a minute for long distance I could download the walkthrough for Infocom's Zork or read up on the 84 Olympics at something approaching 30 characters a second. Needless to say my parents decided the online revolution was not hitting our household yet and the modem collected dust. I think they still have it in the attic. CB Emmons, Tim wrote: > I know this is probably way off topic and off the beaten path for this list > but I have to chime in here. I know I haven't written or contributed in a > while because they've worked our email addresses around but I wsaw this and > had too. I started out with an apple 2E, in fifth grade, and remember seeing > the apple 2 plus at a summer program in Pensacola. Nick Dotson, who you may > or may not have seen on other lists taught that class, with the apples. I had > the chance to see one of the older modems, the one like they had on War Games > that he had dialedinto his house with to do different things, so it was a > very interesting time indeed. To think that started accessibility for us then > was an awesome thing. I used mine all the way through highschool, and college > where I wrote plenty of term papers before it gave up the ghost and died > after ten years or so of working like mad. The image writer printer I used > worked with the Braille and Speak for years after that and got me through > graduate school in Library science, so those products were made to last > believe it or not. I'm fascinated by the development of os10 and snowleopard > and can't wait to see where that goes. I have a lot of patrons that are going > the way of the Apple and I am working towards that myself. Hopefully I can > get my hands on a good Macbook or mac book pro. I may have to settle for a > mini to begin with but I prefer the whole laptop thing. Anyway, thanks for > listening and I'll hush before Cara and the mod crew hunt me down, Lol. Take > care and thanks again for listening. Talk to you soon. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:05 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Cc: g...@blindwisdom.org > Subject: Re: Golden Apples > > > While we're geezing about Apple IIs, I remember there was a shift-key > mod for the II+ where you would jumper the shift key to one of the game > controller buttons since it didn't really work otherwise when you did > the lower case text chip mod. > > Beagle Bros had a little program that would alternate running two floppy > drives (for those so lucky) to sound like a steam train starting up. > > The joy of cassette tape storage was you never really knew if your saved > copy was actually good. Only sure way to tell was to load it back into > the computer, which wiped out your previous work in memory. So if your > tape didn't write correctly you now had no copy on tape and your copy > in memory was gone. > > The Apple II made sounds by accessing a certain memory address which > made a click. Do it fast enough and you got a tone of a certain pitch. > So you could search through games to change $C020 to $C030 which made > the clicks go to the cassette port. From there you could hook up your > boom box and get much better sound than the built in speaker. > > The IIc had a button right on the top of the case to switch the keys to > Dvorak layout. I guess that never really took off :) > > The IIgs was amazing for its time with the 32 channel Ensoniq sound chip. > > CB > > Gary W. Kelly wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Some of us were around even before the Echo and Cricket. My first >> Apple was an Apple II-I--from 1977, and I was already out of undergrad >> school and working before Apple began. >> >> Anyone remember the Vocoder, or early Votrax? >> >> Yes, I do remember Mountain Hardware, and owned one of their >> products. The card was a graphics card that handled sprites, did >> large print, and did have a limited speech capability. That came out >> in the 1980's after we had floppy drives, and were no longer loading >> from a cassette tape! Back in those days, one wrote all programs of a >> special nature oneself--often in Apple Basic, which came out in the >> late 70's. The first basic was an Integer Basic, which is why the II-I >> was called a 2-I. It had no floating point basic. Bill Gates wrote >> the basic for Apple, and
Re: Golden Apples
I'm with you Tim, I had an Apple 2E and an image writer printer at my first job. My Father inlaw is still using that computer. I think I got it in 1986. I remember Nick teaching those classes because I am in Florida also. Your post was a real blast from the past! thanks for sharing. On Jun 18, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Emmons, Tim wrote: > > I know this is probably way off topic and off the beaten path for > this list but I have to chime in here. I know I haven't written or > contributed in a while because they've worked our email addresses > around but I wsaw this and had too. I started out with an apple 2E, > in fifth grade, and remember seeing the apple 2 plus at a summer > program in Pensacola. Nick Dotson, who you may or may not have seen > on other lists taught that class, with the apples. I had the chance > to see one of the older modems, the one like they had on War Games > that he had dialedinto his house with to do different things, so it > was a very interesting time indeed. To think that started > accessibility for us then was an awesome thing. I used mine all the > way through highschool, and college where I wrote plenty of term > papers before it gave up the ghost and died after ten years or so of > working like mad. The image writer printer I used worked with the > Braille and Speak for years after that and got me through graduate > school in Library science, so those products were made to last > believe it or not. I'm fascinated by the development of os10 and > snowleopard and can't wait to see where that goes. I have a lot of > patrons that are going the way of the Apple and I am working towards > that myself. Hopefully I can get my hands on a good Macbook or mac > book pro. I may have to settle for a mini to begin with but I prefer > the whole laptop thing. Anyway, thanks for listening and I'll hush > before Cara and the mod crew hunt me down, Lol. Take care and thanks > again for listening. Talk to you soon. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:05 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Cc: g...@blindwisdom.org > Subject: Re: Golden Apples > > > While we're geezing about Apple IIs, I remember there was a shift-key > mod for the II+ where you would jumper the shift key to one of the > game > controller buttons since it didn't really work otherwise when you did > the lower case text chip mod. > > Beagle Bros had a little program that would alternate running two > floppy > drives (for those so lucky) to sound like a steam train starting up. > > The joy of cassette tape storage was you never really knew if your > saved > copy was actually good. Only sure way to tell was to load it back into > the computer, which wiped out your previous work in memory. So if your > tape didn't write correctly you now had no copy on tape and your copy > in memory was gone. > > The Apple II made sounds by accessing a certain memory address which > made a click. Do it fast enough and you got a tone of a certain pitch. > So you could search through games to change $C020 to $C030 which made > the clicks go to the cassette port. From there you could hook up your > boom box and get much better sound than the built in speaker. > > The IIc had a button right on the top of the case to switch the keys > to > Dvorak layout. I guess that never really took off :) > > The IIgs was amazing for its time with the 32 channel Ensoniq sound > chip. > > CB > > Gary W. Kelly wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Some of us were around even before the Echo and Cricket. My first >> Apple was an Apple II-I--from 1977, and I was already out of >> undergrad >> school and working before Apple began. >> >> Anyone remember the Vocoder, or early Votrax? >> >> Yes, I do remember Mountain Hardware, and owned one of their >> products. The card was a graphics card that handled sprites, did >> large print, and did have a limited speech capability. That came out >> in the 1980's after we had floppy drives, and were no longer loading >> from a cassette tape! Back in those days, one wrote all programs of a >> special nature oneself--often in Apple Basic, which came out in the >> late 70's. The first basic was an Integer Basic, which is why the >> II-I >> was called a 2-I. It had no floating point basic. Bill Gates wrote >> the basic for Apple, and Apple had the good sense to buy it from him >> outright. The old machines came with 48K of RAM! We did a lot with >> them.
