Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Janina,

I think you’re approaching switching to an iPhone in a very smart way.  I got 
my first iPhone, the 3GS, right before I left to go on vacation.  I had one day 
at home before we left to get up and running.  And of course, not only was I 
switching to my first iPhone, but it was my first phone with a touch interface. 
 I’ll just say it was stressful. Lol  I survived, but I would never recommend 
that anyone switch to a new platform under those circumstances.

I’m kind of in the middle.  Basically, I agree it needs to be user first, but 
sometimes I’m overcome by the desire to be an early adapter.  
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 30, 2022, at 4:14 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Donna:
> 
> I do recall your problem after upgrading to IOS 16, but only because I
> had just started paying attention to IOS related messages on this list.
> 
> I just recently got my first iPhone, the 3rd gen Mini SE that still has
> a home button. It's such a foreign land still to me that I always turn
> back to my Android when I actually need to get something done with a
> mobile phone beyond just making a phone call. I'm a ways away from
> feeling comfortable enough with IOS to take it, rather my Android, out
> with me when I go out and about.
> 
> Certainly, there's more learning curve to an entire new environment like
> iPhone, but I think we should use some of the same caution about
> upgrading. Too often the industry may not have tested sufficiently in
> advance of release, and I, myself, don't like being their test subject.
> To my mind this technology is here to serve us, and not us here to serve
> the technologies.
> 
> Oh, I'm very grateful we have it. As a blind person I'm particularly
> glad, as I'm sure most of us are. Nevertheless, it's user first in my
> mind..
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hi Janina,
>> 
>> That’s funny.  But I saw some of that when I upgraded to IOS 16, and later 
>> when I set up my new iPhone 14 Pro.  I don’t know if you remember me posting 
>> about my new phone always starting with Samantha, despite my having selected 
>> another voice, but somehow that just sorted itself out on its own.  I don’t 
>> get it, but I’m not going to complain.
>> 
>> Your advice to upgrade on a weekend is good.  That way I can at least open 
>> all of my most commonly used apps at least once before I’m back at work.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2022, at 5:09 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Donna:
>>> 
>>> This is a brief follow up to my cautionary tale. I'm pleased to report
>>> that things have settled back to normal on my Mac Mini running Ventura.
>>> I've no idea why the strange behavior. I could speculate that some of
>>> the last steps of updating might occur when you launch a particular
>>> application for the first time under the new environment. For me that
>>> would explain what I was seeing yesterday and why things are back to
>>> usual today.
>>> 
>>> Still, I think the moral of the story is the same. Don't do it on a
>>> business day when you've no time for surprises. Perhaps look for a
>>> couple of relatively free days like a weekend, or perhaps the upcoming
>>> Thanksgiving holliday (if you're in the U.S.).
>>> 
>>> PS: I also got speech back on my misbehaving Airbook. I figured out to
>>> launch terminal and start some music playing, which I can do without
>>> speech from a terminal window. Thereafter the three-finger double tap
>>> works as expected. Go figure!
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
 Hi Janina,
 
 What you describe is exactly why I often wait till summer to upgrade.  
 It’s so frustrating to be trying to get something done, and be bogged down 
 by Apple .  I really don’t think they get that we just need things to 
 work.  They can introduce whatever new feature, but if you are a busy 
 working person, you don’t necessarily have hours to sit down and read 
 about all the commands that have changed, and the different ways you have 
 to get things done.  I’m not saying change is bad, but more and more I 
 feel like I need to take a few days off from life every time there’s an 
 Apple upgrade, just so I can read about how things work in the new OS.  I 
 don’t have time for that.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
> experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
> expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
> systems not working as expected.
> 
> Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
> all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
> read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a 

Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Donna:

I do recall your problem after upgrading to IOS 16, but only because I
had just started paying attention to IOS related messages on this list.

I just recently got my first iPhone, the 3rd gen Mini SE that still has
a home button. It's such a foreign land still to me that I always turn
back to my Android when I actually need to get something done with a
mobile phone beyond just making a phone call. I'm a ways away from
feeling comfortable enough with IOS to take it, rather my Android, out
with me when I go out and about.

Certainly, there's more learning curve to an entire new environment like
iPhone, but I think we should use some of the same caution about
upgrading. Too often the industry may not have tested sufficiently in
advance of release, and I, myself, don't like being their test subject.
To my mind this technology is here to serve us, and not us here to serve
the technologies.

Oh, I'm very grateful we have it. As a blind person I'm particularly
glad, as I'm sure most of us are. Nevertheless, it's user first in my
mind..

Best,

Janina


'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> That’s funny.  But I saw some of that when I upgraded to IOS 16, and later 
> when I set up my new iPhone 14 Pro.  I don’t know if you remember me posting 
> about my new phone always starting with Samantha, despite my having selected 
> another voice, but somehow that just sorted itself out on its own.  I don’t 
> get it, but I’m not going to complain.
> 
> Your advice to upgrade on a weekend is good.  That way I can at least open 
> all of my most commonly used apps at least once before I’m back at work.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> > On Oct 29, 2022, at 5:09 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, Donna:
> > 
> > This is a brief follow up to my cautionary tale. I'm pleased to report
> > that things have settled back to normal on my Mac Mini running Ventura.
> > I've no idea why the strange behavior. I could speculate that some of
> > the last steps of updating might occur when you launch a particular
> > application for the first time under the new environment. For me that
> > would explain what I was seeing yesterday and why things are back to
> > usual today.
> > 
> > Still, I think the moral of the story is the same. Don't do it on a
> > business day when you've no time for surprises. Perhaps look for a
> > couple of relatively free days like a weekend, or perhaps the upcoming
> > Thanksgiving holliday (if you're in the U.S.).
> > 
> > PS: I also got speech back on my misbehaving Airbook. I figured out to
> > launch terminal and start some music playing, which I can do without
> > speech from a terminal window. Thereafter the three-finger double tap
> > works as expected. Go figure!
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Hi Janina,
> >> 
> >> What you describe is exactly why I often wait till summer to upgrade.  
> >> It’s so frustrating to be trying to get something done, and be bogged down 
> >> by Apple .  I really don’t think they get that we just need things to 
> >> work.  They can introduce whatever new feature, but if you are a busy 
> >> working person, you don’t necessarily have hours to sit down and read 
> >> about all the commands that have changed, and the different ways you have 
> >> to get things done.  I’m not saying change is bad, but more and more I 
> >> feel like I need to take a few days off from life every time there’s an 
> >> Apple upgrade, just so I can read about how things work in the new OS.  I 
> >> don’t have time for that.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Donna
> >> 
> >>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
> >>> experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
> >>> expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
> >>> systems not working as expected.
> >>> 
> >>> Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
> >>> all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
> >>> read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link
> >>> that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on
> >>> new features was not timely.
> >>> 
> >>> My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far)
> >>> upgrading to the latest Big Sur. Fewer issues that is until I again
> >>> accidentally tripped Speech Off on the trackpad.  This is a
> >>> problem I encounter on that machine off and on. At the moment I don't
> >>> have a braille display to resolve things. But, I'm not sure I can blame
> >>> this on the Big Sur upgrade. Still, I wish I could turn that trackpad
> >>> off, as one can on Windows.
> >>> 
> >>> Best,
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>  Hi all,
>  
>  As some of you may remember, I teach, 

Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Janina,

That’s funny.  But I saw some of that when I upgraded to IOS 16, and later when 
I set up my new iPhone 14 Pro.  I don’t know if you remember me posting about 
my new phone always starting with Samantha, despite my having selected another 
voice, but somehow that just sorted itself out on its own.  I don’t get it, but 
I’m not going to complain.

Your advice to upgrade on a weekend is good.  That way I can at least open all 
of my most commonly used apps at least once before I’m back at work.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 29, 2022, at 5:09 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Donna:
> 
> This is a brief follow up to my cautionary tale. I'm pleased to report
> that things have settled back to normal on my Mac Mini running Ventura.
> I've no idea why the strange behavior. I could speculate that some of
> the last steps of updating might occur when you launch a particular
> application for the first time under the new environment. For me that
> would explain what I was seeing yesterday and why things are back to
> usual today.
> 
> Still, I think the moral of the story is the same. Don't do it on a
> business day when you've no time for surprises. Perhaps look for a
> couple of relatively free days like a weekend, or perhaps the upcoming
> Thanksgiving holliday (if you're in the U.S.).
> 
> PS: I also got speech back on my misbehaving Airbook. I figured out to
> launch terminal and start some music playing, which I can do without
> speech from a terminal window. Thereafter the three-finger double tap
> works as expected. Go figure!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hi Janina,
>> 
>> What you describe is exactly why I often wait till summer to upgrade.  It’s 
>> so frustrating to be trying to get something done, and be bogged down by 
>> Apple .  I really don’t think they get that we just need things to work. 
>>  They can introduce whatever new feature, but if you are a busy working 
>> person, you don’t necessarily have hours to sit down and read about all the 
>> commands that have changed, and the different ways you have to get things 
>> done.  I’m not saying change is bad, but more and more I feel like I need to 
>> take a few days off from life every time there’s an Apple upgrade, just so I 
>> can read about how things work in the new OS.  I don’t have time for that.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
>>> experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
>>> expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
>>> systems not working as expected.
>>> 
>>> Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
>>> all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
>>> read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link
>>> that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on
>>> new features was not timely.
>>> 
>>> My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far)
>>> upgrading to the latest Big Sur. Fewer issues that is until I again
>>> accidentally tripped Speech Off on the trackpad.  This is a
>>> problem I encounter on that machine off and on. At the moment I don't
>>> have a braille display to resolve things. But, I'm not sure I can blame
>>> this on the Big Sur upgrade. Still, I wish I could turn that trackpad
>>> off, as one can on Windows.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
 Hi all,
 
 As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
 Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good 
 experiences with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy 
 about upgrade to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but 
 based on your experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
 TIA,
 Donna.
 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Donna:

This is a brief follow up to my cautionary tale. I'm pleased to report
that things have settled back to normal on my Mac Mini running Ventura.
I've no idea why the strange behavior. I could speculate that some of
the last steps of updating might occur when you launch a particular
application for the first time under the new environment. For me that
would explain what I was seeing yesterday and why things are back to
usual today.

Still, I think the moral of the story is the same. Don't do it on a
business day when you've no time for surprises. Perhaps look for a
couple of relatively free days like a weekend, or perhaps the upcoming
Thanksgiving holliday (if you're in the U.S.).

PS: I also got speech back on my misbehaving Airbook. I figured out to
launch terminal and start some music playing, which I can do without
speech from a terminal window. Thereafter the three-finger double tap
works as expected. Go figure!

Best,

Janina

'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> What you describe is exactly why I often wait till summer to upgrade.  It’s 
> so frustrating to be trying to get something done, and be bogged down by 
> Apple .  I really don’t think they get that we just need things to work.  
> They can introduce whatever new feature, but if you are a busy working 
> person, you don’t necessarily have hours to sit down and read about all the 
> commands that have changed, and the different ways you have to get things 
> done.  I’m not saying change is bad, but more and more I feel like I need to 
> take a few days off from life every time there’s an Apple upgrade, just so I 
> can read about how things work in the new OS.  I don’t have time for that.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> > On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
> > experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
> > expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
> > systems not working as expected.
> > 
> > Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
> > all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
> > read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link
> > that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on
> > new features was not timely.
> > 
> > My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far)
> > upgrading to the latest Big Sur. Fewer issues that is until I again
> > accidentally tripped Speech Off on the trackpad.  This is a
> > problem I encounter on that machine off and on. At the moment I don't
> > have a braille display to resolve things. But, I'm not sure I can blame
> > this on the Big Sur upgrade. Still, I wish I could turn that trackpad
> > off, as one can on Windows.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Hi all,
> >> 
> >> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
> >> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good 
> >> experiences with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy 
> >> about upgrade to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but 
> >> based on your experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
> >> TIA,
> >> Donna.
> >> 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries]

Is anybody else having trouble with random text not showing up in edit fields?  
I can be typing away, go back to proofread, and find that several letters are 
missing.  I know I typed them.  I was never aware of losing focus either, the 
text just disappears.  This did not happen before I installed Ventura.

The problem does not happen right after I reboot the computer, but if I leave 
it on for several hours, it will. It has happened in email, TextEdit, the 
calendar, and I believe in messages.



> On Oct 28, 2022, at 8:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina,
> 
> What you describe is exactly why I often wait till summer to upgrade.  It’s 
> so frustrating to be trying to get something done, and be bogged down by 
> Apple .  I really don’t think they get that we just need things to work.  
> They can introduce whatever new feature, but if you are a busy working 
> person, you don’t necessarily have hours to sit down and read about all the 
> commands that have changed, and the different ways you have to get things 
> done.  I’m not saying change is bad, but more and more I feel like I need to 
> take a few days off from life every time there’s an Apple upgrade, just so I 
> can read about how things work in the new OS.  I don’t have time for that.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
>> experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
>> expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
>> systems not working as expected.
>> 
>> Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
>> all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
>> read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link
>> that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on
>> new features was not timely.
>> 
>> My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far)
>> upgrading to the latest Big Sur. Fewer issues that is until I again
>> accidentally tripped Speech Off on the trackpad.  This is a
>> problem I encounter on that machine off and on. At the moment I don't
>> have a braille display to resolve things. But, I'm not sure I can blame
>> this on the Big Sur upgrade. Still, I wish I could turn that trackpad
>> off, as one can on Windows.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
>>> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
>>> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
>>> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
>>> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna.
>>> 
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>> 
>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
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>> 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Janina,

What you describe is exactly why I often wait till summer to upgrade.  It’s so 
frustrating to be trying to get something done, and be bogged down by Apple 
.  I really don’t think they get that we just need things to work.  They 
can introduce whatever new feature, but if you are a busy working person, you 
don’t necessarily have hours to sit down and read about all the commands that 
have changed, and the different ways you have to get things done.  I’m not 
saying change is bad, but more and more I feel like I need to take a few days 
off from life every time there’s an Apple upgrade, just so I can read about how 
things work in the new OS.  I don’t have time for that.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
> experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
> expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
> systems not working as expected.
> 
> Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
> all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
> read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link
> that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on
> new features was not timely.
> 
> My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far)
> upgrading to the latest Big Sur. Fewer issues that is until I again
> accidentally tripped Speech Off on the trackpad.  This is a
> problem I encounter on that machine off and on. At the moment I don't
> have a braille display to resolve things. But, I'm not sure I can blame
> this on the Big Sur upgrade. Still, I wish I could turn that trackpad
> off, as one can on Windows.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
>> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
>> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
>> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
>> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
>> TIA,
>> Donna.
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
systems not working as expected.

Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link
that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on
new features was not timely.

My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far)
upgrading to the latest Big Sur. Fewer issues that is until I again
accidentally tripped Speech Off on the trackpad.  This is a
problem I encounter on that machine off and on. At the moment I don't
have a braille display to resolve things. But, I'm not sure I can blame
this on the Big Sur upgrade. Still, I wish I could turn that trackpad
off, as one can on Windows.

Best,

Janina

'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
> TIA,
> Donna.
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Matthew and everyone for your responses.  I have checked out that 
article, and I don’t see anything that would be a show stopper for me.  I think 
I will probably take the plunge on Sunday.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 28, 2022, at 4:05 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> Have you checked out the bugs found vintora article on applevis?  I have been 
> using iit since one of the betas and have not found any mager problems.  I 
> always do a clean refresh after any mager os upgrade which seems to help with 
> preventing problems.  In any event, I have a stable system here with a mac 
> mini 2018 intel machine.  Your milage may very on your system.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 2:40 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?
> 
> Well, at least you can get your own language.  I think if I had to pick, I 
> rather have my language than a second one. :) 
> 
> I have the link to the AppleVis guide to System Settings.  If I do upgrade, 
> I’m sure I’ll be checking that out in detail.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, its a good question.
>> For me seem to work quite good except from that I can not get English speech.
>> Only Swedish so far.
>> But I haven’t have time to check things out.
>> Maybe you should wait until the season is over.
>> So you could take time to learn the new system settings app.
>> Just one example that’s changed.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 28 okt. 2022 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
>>> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
>>> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
>>> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
>>> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna.
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RE: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

[ilovecountrymusic483]

Donna,

Have you checked out the bugs found vintora article on applevis?  I have been 
using iit since one of the betas and have not found any mager problems.  I 
always do a clean refresh after any mager os upgrade which seems to help with 
preventing problems.  In any event, I have a stable system here with a mac mini 
2018 intel machine.  Your milage may very on your system.

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 2:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

Well, at least you can get your own language.  I think if I had to pick, I 
rather have my language than a second one. :) 

I have the link to the AppleVis guide to System Settings.  If I do upgrade, I’m 
sure I’ll be checking that out in detail.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 28, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, its a good question.
> For me seem to work quite good except from that I can not get English speech.
> Only Swedish so far.
> But I haven’t have time to check things out.
> Maybe you should wait until the season is over.
> So you could take time to learn the new system settings app.
> Just one example that’s changed.
> /A
> 
>> 28 okt. 2022 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
>> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
>> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
>> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
>> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
>> TIA,
>> Donna.
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Mickey,

I teach Spanish.  I don’t really use anything too unusual - Word, Mail, Safari, 
QuickTime and Amadeus Pro.  I guess what makes me hesitant is that I was really 
unhappy after upgrading my phone and my watch.  Basic things about using them 
with Voiceover were either broken, didn’t work as well, or had been modified in 
ways that I wasn’t able to do something that I used to do.  If it’s summertime, 
I’m in a much better position to ride those things out, without having to worry 
about accomplishing tasks quickly and efficiently.  All that said, most of 
what’s been posted on this list has been positive, so I’m tempted to go ahead 
and upgrade.  But I thought I’d ask directly before taking the plunge.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 28, 2022, at 1:39 PM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna:
> What makes you hesitate about upgrading your Mac? 
> what subjects do you teach and what programs do you use? That might help us 
> figure out what would be best for you.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 1:35 PM Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> Hi!
> Well, its a good question.
> For me seem to work quite good except from that I can not get English speech.
> Only Swedish so far.
> But I haven’t have time to check things out.
> Maybe you should wait until the season is over.
> So you could take time to learn the new system settings app.
> Just one example that’s changed.
> /A
> 
> > 28 okt. 2022 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
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> > Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
> > with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
> > to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
> > experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
> > TIA,
> > Donna.
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Well, at least you can get your own language.  I think if I had to pick, I 
rather have my language than a second one. :) 

I have the link to the AppleVis guide to System Settings.  If I do upgrade, I’m 
sure I’ll be checking that out in detail.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 28, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, its a good question.
> For me seem to work quite good except from that I can not get English speech.
> Only Swedish so far.
> But I haven’t have time to check things out.
> Maybe you should wait until the season is over.
> So you could take time to learn the new system settings app.
> Just one example that’s changed.
> /A
> 
>> 28 okt. 2022 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
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>> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
>> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
>> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
>> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
>> TIA,
>> Donna.
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

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Hello Donna:
What makes you hesitate about upgrading your Mac?
what subjects do you teach and what programs do you use? That might help us
figure out what would be best for you.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 1:35 PM Anders Holmberg 
wrote:

> Hi!
> Well, its a good question.
> For me seem to work quite good except from that I can not get English
> speech.
> Only Swedish so far.
> But I haven’t have time to check things out.
> Maybe you should wait until the season is over.
> So you could take time to learn the new system settings app.
> Just one example that’s changed.
> /A
>
> > 28 okt. 2022 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade
> my Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good
> experiences with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy
> about upgrade to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but
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> > TIA,
> > Donna.
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, its a good question.
For me seem to work quite good except from that I can not get English speech.
Only Swedish so far.
But I haven’t have time to check things out.
Maybe you should wait until the season is over.
So you could take time to learn the new system settings app.
Just one example that’s changed.
/A

> 28 okt. 2022 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
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> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
> TIA,
> Donna.
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

If you’re nervous about it, you can wait until 13.1 or so. But I’ve not found 
any show-stopping bugs.
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> On Oct 28, 2022, at 7:13 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
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> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
> TIA,
> Donna.
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

[alia robinson]

seems okay to me, much more responsive. speech is much faster across the board. 
I think you’ll be fine. 

Alia

> On Oct 28, 2022, at 8:13 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
> TIA,
> Donna.
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