Re: Speaking TV guides -Offcom consultation
I didn't follow the TV part of the advanced communications in the CVAA as I don't really care much about that but you might want to check into it. Supposedly all it takes is filing a complaint with the FCC to get thing rolling although I think you're supposed to contact the provider first and document the results (or lack thereof). What is more interesting to me is that this is supposed to be driving accessibility in email and chat apps. CB On 7/17/14, 8:37 AM, Jessica Moss wrote: I think all providers in general should be, considering the fact that there are also satellite users out there as well, who deserve the same accessible, and unfortunately their IPhone apps either aren't accessible, or don't want to work properly, which even if accessible, makes the app pretty useless. I can record/browse a listing of shows with the directTv app, for example, but if I want to access the remote feature for example, it acts like it can't find my receiver, so I've pretty much given up trying to use it sense there are other people in the house who watch TV, and can record stuff as well. On Jul 16, 2014, at 5:05 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: Dunno about anywhere else. I used to have Cox but canceled the TV portion years ago. That said, I thought the US FCC CVAA was requiring all cable providers to make their set top boxes accessible so I would think changes are coming across the US. CB On 7/11/14, 4:33 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote: hat about those who are in non comcast areeas? did you hear anything at all on other providers? w On 7/11/2014 8:05 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote: When I was at CSUN earlier this year I got to attend Comcast's unveiling of their talking set top box, which includes voice navigation for their EPG. It really was quite nice. They even had an iPhone app where you could say tune the weather channel and the app would tell the settop box to change the channel. Like curb cuts a lot of this stuff is useful for everyone so I hope the UK goes the same direction as the US as far as advanced communications and the FCC stuff. What is concerning is that the existing UK accessibility laws really aren't enforced so would this end up as another bit of fluff that nobody really implements? CB On 7/11/14, 7:33 AM, Adrienne Chalmers wrote: With apologies for cross-posting and being a bit off topic. Hope it’s OK. OffCom regulates communications in the UK. They are looking for responses on whether they should make it compulsory for manufacturers to make all electronic programme guides speak. I know most of you are not in the UK, but, like the business with the Kindle and other e-readers and the FCC, there will inevitably be knock—on effects for all of us, no matter where we live. The link to the consultation is:- http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/speaking-tv/?utm_source=updateutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=speak-tv OffCom have assured me they welcome contributions from outside the UK. So, sorry if I have transgressed etiquette, but I hope it was in a good cause. Best wishes Adrienne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- websites: http://www.solavei.com/hanksmith http://qoinpro.com/5f674bfbfc97bbb1f3216db274fb72f8 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: Speaking TV guides -Offcom consultation
I think all providers in general should be, considering the fact that there are also satellite users out there as well, who deserve the same accessible, and unfortunately their IPhone apps either aren't accessible, or don't want to work properly, which even if accessible, makes the app pretty useless. I can record/browse a listing of shows with the directTv app, for example, but if I want to access the remote feature for example, it acts like it can't find my receiver, so I've pretty much given up trying to use it sense there are other people in the house who watch TV, and can record stuff as well. On Jul 16, 2014, at 5:05 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: Dunno about anywhere else. I used to have Cox but canceled the TV portion years ago. That said, I thought the US FCC CVAA was requiring all cable providers to make their set top boxes accessible so I would think changes are coming across the US. CB On 7/11/14, 4:33 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote: hat about those who are in non comcast areeas? did you hear anything at all on other providers? w On 7/11/2014 8:05 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote: When I was at CSUN earlier this year I got to attend Comcast's unveiling of their talking set top box, which includes voice navigation for their EPG. It really was quite nice. They even had an iPhone app where you could say tune the weather channel and the app would tell the settop box to change the channel. Like curb cuts a lot of this stuff is useful for everyone so I hope the UK goes the same direction as the US as far as advanced communications and the FCC stuff. What is concerning is that the existing UK accessibility laws really aren't enforced so would this end up as another bit of fluff that nobody really implements? CB On 7/11/14, 7:33 AM, Adrienne Chalmers wrote: With apologies for cross-posting and being a bit off topic. Hope it’s OK. OffCom regulates communications in the UK. They are looking for responses on whether they should make it compulsory for manufacturers to make all electronic programme guides speak. I know most of you are not in the UK, but, like the business with the Kindle and other e-readers and the FCC, there will inevitably be knock—on effects for all of us, no matter where we live. The link to the consultation is:- http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/speaking-tv/?utm_source=updateutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=speak-tv OffCom have assured me they welcome contributions from outside the UK. So, sorry if I have transgressed etiquette, but I hope it was in a good cause. Best wishes Adrienne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- websites: http://www.solavei.com/hanksmith http://qoinpro.com/5f674bfbfc97bbb1f3216db274fb72f8 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options,
Re: Speaking TV guides -Offcom consultation
Dunno about anywhere else. I used to have Cox but canceled the TV portion years ago. That said, I thought the US FCC CVAA was requiring all cable providers to make their set top boxes accessible so I would think changes are coming across the US. CB On 7/11/14, 4:33 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote: hat about those who are in non comcast areeas? did you hear anything at all on other providers? w On 7/11/2014 8:05 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote: When I was at CSUN earlier this year I got to attend Comcast's unveiling of their talking set top box, which includes voice navigation for their EPG. It really was quite nice. They even had an iPhone app where you could say tune the weather channel and the app would tell the settop box to change the channel. Like curb cuts a lot of this stuff is useful for everyone so I hope the UK goes the same direction as the US as far as advanced communications and the FCC stuff. What is concerning is that the existing UK accessibility laws really aren't enforced so would this end up as another bit of fluff that nobody really implements? CB On 7/11/14, 7:33 AM, Adrienne Chalmers wrote: With apologies for cross-posting and being a bit off topic. Hope it's OK. OffCom regulates communications in the UK. They are looking for responses on whether they should make it compulsory for manufacturers to make all electronic programme guides speak. I know most of you are not in the UK, but, like the business with the Kindle and other e-readers and the FCC, there will inevitably be knock---on effects for all of us, no matter where we live. The link to the consultation is:- http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/speaking-tv/?utm_source=updateutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=speak-tv OffCom have assured me they welcome contributions from outside the UK. So, sorry if I have transgressed etiquette, but I hope it was in a good cause. Best wishes Adrienne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Ż\_(?)_/Ż -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- websites: http://www.solavei.com/hanksmith http://qoinpro.com/5f674bfbfc97bbb1f3216db274fb72f8 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Ż\_(?)_/Ż -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Speaking TV guides -Offcom consultation
Hi Adrienne, Many thanks for posting this. I do find it more than a little ironic (as well as slightly frustrating) that Ofcom require you to solve a capcha before you submit the online response to what is essentially a consultation on accessibility. Cheers, Ed From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrienne Chalmers Sent: 11 July 2014 12:34 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Speaking TV guides -Offcom consultation With apologies for cross-posting and being a bit off topic. Hope it's OK. OffCom regulates communications in the UK. They are looking for responses on whether they should make it compulsory for manufacturers to make all electronic programme guides speak. I know most of you are not in the UK, but, like the business with the Kindle and other e-readers and the FCC, there will inevitably be knock-on effects for all of us, no matter where we live. The link to the consultation is:- http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/speaking-tv/?utm_source=updat e http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/speaking-tv/?utm_source=upda teutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=speak-tv utm_medium=emailutm_campaign=speak-tv OffCom have assured me they welcome contributions from outside the UK. So, sorry if I have transgressed etiquette, but I hope it was in a good cause. Best wishes Adrienne _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7833 - Release Date: 07/10/14 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7834 - Release Date: 07/11/14 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Speaking TV guides -Offcom consultation
It's not peachy, but I'm fairly optimistic. Although for various reasons I don't believe Ofcom has real teeth, we do have social acceptance of audiodescription and subtitles on public broadcasts, which goes a long way to making the case for it. That's one genuine advantage of having taxpayers pay for content. We also now have exceptions to copyright for alternative formats. However, I imagine the real reason that Ofcom is asking is that there are commercial pressures against it, so there's plenty of work to do yet. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Speaking TV guides -Offcom consultation
When I was at CSUN earlier this year I got to attend Comcast's unveiling of their talking set top box, which includes voice navigation for their EPG. It really was quite nice. They even had an iPhone app where you could say tune the weather channel and the app would tell the settop box to change the channel. Like curb cuts a lot of this stuff is useful for everyone so I hope the UK goes the same direction as the US as far as advanced communications and the FCC stuff. What is concerning is that the existing UK accessibility laws really aren't enforced so would this end up as another bit of fluff that nobody really implements? CB On 7/11/14, 7:33 AM, Adrienne Chalmers wrote: With apologies for cross-posting and being a bit off topic. Hope it's OK. OffCom regulates communications in the UK. They are looking for responses on whether they should make it compulsory for manufacturers to make all electronic programme guides speak. I know most of you are not in the UK, but, like the business with the Kindle and other e-readers and the FCC, there will inevitably be knock---on effects for all of us, no matter where we live. The link to the consultation is:- http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/speaking-tv/?utm_source=updateutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=speak-tv OffCom have assured me they welcome contributions from outside the UK. So, sorry if I have transgressed etiquette, but I hope it was in a good cause. Best wishes Adrienne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Ż\_(?)_/Ż -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Speaking TV guides -Offcom consultation
Charter has an app for iPhone (haven't tested it on my iPad 2, and my iPHone 5 chewed the humous some months ago [*bitter tears*=), which seemed like it was starting to incorporate that functionality, although its Change your cable box to the requested channel, never worked for me, and the app would only let you stream whatever was being offered at the moment, not the entire selection of cable channels you had subscribed to. I'd like to see those features upgraded, as well as a navigable TV guide, and if it's not something they can incorporate in the cable box you get from the company, then I think an app for desktop as well as mobile devices is called for. Personally, I think if countries such as the UK start mandating that manufacturers provide talking cable guides, etc., it will go a long way toward encouraging the US to do the same, which is very much in line with the ADA's mandate for equality. * Mark BurningHawk Baxter * AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 * MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com * My home page: * http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Speaking TV guides -Offcom consultation
To the best of my knowledge there has only been one legal action under the existing UK Equality Act and that was dropped after the company relented and promised to fix their website accessibility. So does that mean everything else in the UK is just peachy? Similar issues with the AODA in Canada. The laws have no weight unless they are enforced. CB On 7/11/14, 11:11 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: Charter has an app for iPhone (haven't tested it on my iPad 2, and my iPHone 5 chewed the humous some months ago [*bitter tears*=), which seemed like it was starting to incorporate that functionality, although its Change your cable box to the requested channel, never worked for me, and the app would only let you stream whatever was being offered at the moment, not the entire selection of cable channels you had subscribed to. I'd like to see those features upgraded, as well as a navigable TV guide, and if it's not something they can incorporate in the cable box you get from the company, then I think an app for desktop as well as mobile devices is called for. Personally, I think if countries such as the UK start mandating that manufacturers provide talking cable guides, etc., it will go a long way toward encouraging the US to do the same, which is very much in line with the ADA's mandate for equality. * Mark BurningHawk Baxter * AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 * MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com * My home page: * http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Speaking TV guides -Offcom consultation
On 11 Jul 2014, at 04:05 pm, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: When I was at CSUN earlier this year I got to attend Comcast's unveiling of their talking set top box, which includes voice navigation for their EPG. It really was quite nice. They even had an iPhone app where you could say tune the weather channel and the app would tell the settop box to change the channel. Like curb cuts a lot of this stuff is useful for everyone so I hope the UK goes the same direction as the US as far as advanced communications and the FCC stuff. What is concerning is that the existing UK accessibility laws really aren't enforced so would this end up as another bit of fluff that nobody really implements? CB On 7/11/14, 7:33 AM, Adrienne Chalmers wrote: With apologies for cross-posting and being a bit off topic. Hope it’s OK. OffCom regulates communications in the UK. They are looking for responses on whether they should make it compulsory for manufacturers to make all electronic programme guides speak. I know most of you are not in the UK, but, like the business with the Kindle and other e-readers and the FCC, there will inevitably be knock—on effects for all of us, no matter where we live. The link to the consultation is:- http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/speaking-tv/?utm_source=updateutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=speak-tv OffCom have assured me they welcome contributions from outside the UK. So, sorry if I have transgressed etiquette, but I hope it was in a good cause. Best wishes Adrienne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I am from the UK. When I get time, I will have a look at this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Speaking TV guides -Offcom consultation
hat about those who are in non comcast areeas? did you hear anything at all on other providers? w On 7/11/2014 8:05 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote: When I was at CSUN earlier this year I got to attend Comcast's unveiling of their talking set top box, which includes voice navigation for their EPG. It really was quite nice. They even had an iPhone app where you could say tune the weather channel and the app would tell the settop box to change the channel. Like curb cuts a lot of this stuff is useful for everyone so I hope the UK goes the same direction as the US as far as advanced communications and the FCC stuff. What is concerning is that the existing UK accessibility laws really aren't enforced so would this end up as another bit of fluff that nobody really implements? CB On 7/11/14, 7:33 AM, Adrienne Chalmers wrote: With apologies for cross-posting and being a bit off topic. Hope it's OK. OffCom regulates communications in the UK. They are looking for responses on whether they should make it compulsory for manufacturers to make all electronic programme guides speak. I know most of you are not in the UK, but, like the business with the Kindle and other e-readers and the FCC, there will inevitably be knock---on effects for all of us, no matter where we live. The link to the consultation is:- http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/speaking-tv/?utm_source=updateutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=speak-tv OffCom have assured me they welcome contributions from outside the UK. So, sorry if I have transgressed etiquette, but I hope it was in a good cause. Best wishes Adrienne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Ż\_(?)_/Ż -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- websites: http://www.solavei.com/hanksmith http://qoinpro.com/5f674bfbfc97bbb1f3216db274fb72f8 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
