Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Gary,.  Your message fits with what others have said, so have decided 
to tough it out with Windstream for now till I can check into some of the fixed 
wireless services discussed yesterday.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 5:29 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Charter is one o the worse. By rebranding themselves. Its even gotten wore 
> form friends who I know who areo n it. there are looking for laternativs ot 
> jump from charter now rebranded as spectrum.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 12:03 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Windstream versus Cox?
> 
> Well you could always give charter a shot and if you don’t like them go to 
> plan B.  At least they install quickly or they did up here in the north east. 
>  I had them while I was waiting for the fiber build for my home which took 
> about a month.  Tolerable but not nearly the performer FIOS is.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:41 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It does help, thanks! Once I get done unpacking boxes, I will definitely 
>> explore this a little bit further. I certainly don't want to be down for 
>> five days every time our Internet goes out. :-) Thanks Scott.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s just a different thing.
>>> 
>>> Instead of going through a phone company to get to your house like the 
>>> local bell for DSL or cable they use a wireless system.  There’s a central 
>>> tower with sector panels on top and then they point these small panel 
>>> looking antennas towards the tower for service.  You might stick a panel on 
>>> your roof or your side or even just set it in a window depending on your 
>>> view of the tower.  Speeds from 1 megabit up to hundreds is usually 
>>> available.  
>>>  Whether it’s good or not depends on how it’s built out like most things.  
>>> If they used licensed spectrum and good quality gear it usually works 
>>> great.  If they use regular WiFi gear you can have mixed results.  Also 
>>> depends on geography and the view of the tower but that’s what the site 
>>> survey is for.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, when I was reading about them, it said something about them being 
>>>> fixed wireless providers. Sorry if this is a dumb question but what 
>>>> exactly does that mean? Is it a good thing or a bad thing? :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know a little bit about them.  I believe both are fixed wireless 
>>>>> providers so they may install a small panel on your home that broadcasts 
>>>>> back to a tower.  Some used licensed space and others use regular non 
>>>>> licensed WiFi frequencies.  I believe they were a member of the 
>>>>> ISP-Wireless and some other groups I used to be a part of when I was in 
>>>>> the provider game.  Wouldn’t hurt to havre a free home site survey done 
>>>>> to see if you could reach their tower.  Depends on how long they make you 
>>>>> wait for the luxury.:)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks, Scott. The two that seem to get the most favorable reviews are 
>>>>>> future technologies and rise broadband. Happen to know either of them? 
>>>>>> Thanks again!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Feel free to post the names of who is available to you locally.  You 
>>>>>>> never know I may know one or two of them and can help you get taken 
>>>>>>> seriously.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul

RE: Windstream versus Cox?

[gary-melconian]

Charter is one o the worse. By rebranding themselves. Its even gotten wore form 
friends who I know who areo n it. there are looking for laternativs ot jump 
from charter now rebranded as spectrum.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 12:03 PM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Windstream versus Cox?

Well you could always give charter a shot and if you don’t like them go to plan 
B.  At least they install quickly or they did up here in the north east.  I had 
them while I was waiting for the fiber build for my home which took about a 
month.  Tolerable but not nearly the performer FIOS is.
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:41 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> It does help, thanks! Once I get done unpacking boxes, I will definitely 
> explore this a little bit further. I certainly don't want to be down for five 
> days every time our Internet goes out. :-) Thanks Scott.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>> It’s just a different thing.
>> 
>> Instead of going through a phone company to get to your house like the local 
>> bell for DSL or cable they use a wireless system.  There’s a central tower 
>> with sector panels on top and then they point these small panel looking 
>> antennas towards the tower for service.  You might stick a panel on your 
>> roof or your side or even just set it in a window depending on your view of 
>> the tower.  Speeds from 1 megabit up to hundreds is usually available.  
>>   Whether it’s good or not depends on how it’s built out like most things.  
>> If they used licensed spectrum and good quality gear it usually works great. 
>>  If they use regular WiFi gear you can have mixed results.  Also depends on 
>> geography and the view of the tower but that’s what the site survey is for.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, when I was reading about them, it said something about them being 
>>> fixed wireless providers. Sorry if this is a dumb question but what exactly 
>>> does that mean? Is it a good thing or a bad thing? :-)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I know a little bit about them.  I believe both are fixed wireless 
>>>> providers so they may install a small panel on your home that broadcasts 
>>>> back to a tower.  Some used licensed space and others use regular non 
>>>> licensed WiFi frequencies.  I believe they were a member of the 
>>>> ISP-Wireless and some other groups I used to be a part of when I was in 
>>>> the provider game.  Wouldn’t hurt to havre a free home site survey done to 
>>>> see if you could reach their tower.  Depends on how long they make you 
>>>> wait for the luxury.:)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, Scott. The two that seem to get the most favorable reviews are 
>>>>> future technologies and rise broadband. Happen to know either of them? 
>>>>> Thanks again!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Feel free to post the names of who is available to you locally.  You 
>>>>>> never know I may know one or two of them and can help you get taken 
>>>>>> seriously.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, that's too bad!  Thanks for the warning, though. Maybe I'll take a 
>>>>>>> closer look at some of the smaller providers. There's one that got 
>>>>>>> reviewed well, but they want to contract, and I don't. :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Scott Granados 
>>>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>&g

Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Donna Goodin]

You're not the first person I've heard say bad things about charter. For now, I 
still have my service order in with Windstream. I'm not holding my breath, but 
I'm not gonna cancel it until I settle on a good alternative.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Well you could always give charter a shot and if you don’t like them go to 
> plan B.  At least they install quickly or they did up here in the north east. 
>  I had them while I was waiting for the fiber build for my home which took 
> about a month.  Tolerable but not nearly the performer FIOS is.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:41 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> It does help, thanks! Once I get done unpacking boxes, I will definitely 
>> explore this a little bit further. I certainly don't want to be down for 
>> five days every time our Internet goes out. :-) Thanks Scott.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s just a different thing.
>>> 
>>> Instead of going through a phone company to get to your house like the 
>>> local bell for DSL or cable they use a wireless system.  There’s a central 
>>> tower with sector panels on top and then they point these small panel 
>>> looking antennas towards the tower for service.  You might stick a panel on 
>>> your roof or your side or even just set it in a window depending on your 
>>> view of the tower.  Speeds from 1 megabit up to hundreds is usually 
>>> available.  
>>>  Whether it’s good or not depends on how it’s built out like most things.  
>>> If they used licensed spectrum and good quality gear it usually works 
>>> great.  If they use regular WiFi gear you can have mixed results.  Also 
>>> depends on geography and the view of the tower but that’s what the site 
>>> survey is for.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Yes, when I was reading about them, it said something about them being 
 fixed wireless providers. Sorry if this is a dumb question but what 
 exactly does that mean? Is it a good thing or a bad thing? :-)
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I know a little bit about them.  I believe both are fixed wireless 
> providers so they may install a small panel on your home that broadcasts 
> back to a tower.  Some used licensed space and others use regular non 
> licensed WiFi frequencies.  I believe they were a member of the 
> ISP-Wireless and some other groups I used to be a part of when I was in 
> the provider game.  Wouldn’t hurt to havre a free home site survey done 
> to see if you could reach their tower.  Depends on how long they make you 
> wait for the luxury.:)
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Scott. The two that seem to get the most favorable reviews are 
>> future technologies and rise broadband. Happen to know either of them? 
>> Thanks again!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Feel free to post the names of who is available to you locally.  You 
>>> never know I may know one or two of them and can help you get taken 
>>> seriously.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Oh, that's too bad!  Thanks for the warning, though. Maybe I'll take a 
 closer look at some of the smaller providers. There's one that got 
 reviewed well, but they want to contract, and I don't. :-)
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Scott Granados 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh you definitely don’t want charter.  I had them before FIOS.  The 
> signal constantly dropped out, internet was about half as fast as 
> advertised, very hard to cancel, hold times over an hour when you 
> needed anything.  If you’re hesitant about the smaller guys just wait 
> until you get hooked up to a big one.
> 
> You might have a local fiber or high speed provider that would do you 
> better.  Your call though.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> There are a couple, but at the moment I'm feeling sort of negative 
>> about small local guys.  Looks like Charter is going to be the large 
>> provider alternative.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any smaller local guys you can 

Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Scott Granados]

Well you could always give charter a shot and if you don’t like them go to plan 
B.  At least they install quickly or they did up here in the north east.  I had 
them while I was waiting for the fiber build for my home which took about a 
month.  Tolerable but not nearly the performer FIOS is.
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:41 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> It does help, thanks! Once I get done unpacking boxes, I will definitely 
> explore this a little bit further. I certainly don't want to be down for five 
> days every time our Internet goes out. :-) Thanks Scott.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s just a different thing.
>> 
>> Instead of going through a phone company to get to your house like the local 
>> bell for DSL or cable they use a wireless system.  There’s a central tower 
>> with sector panels on top and then they point these small panel looking 
>> antennas towards the tower for service.  You might stick a panel on your 
>> roof or your side or even just set it in a window depending on your view of 
>> the tower.  Speeds from 1 megabit up to hundreds is usually available.  
>>   Whether it’s good or not depends on how it’s built out like most things.  
>> If they used licensed spectrum and good quality gear it usually works great. 
>>  If they use regular WiFi gear you can have mixed results.  Also depends on 
>> geography and the view of the tower but that’s what the site survey is for.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, when I was reading about them, it said something about them being 
>>> fixed wireless providers. Sorry if this is a dumb question but what exactly 
>>> does that mean? Is it a good thing or a bad thing? :-)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I know a little bit about them.  I believe both are fixed wireless 
 providers so they may install a small panel on your home that broadcasts 
 back to a tower.  Some used licensed space and others use regular non 
 licensed WiFi frequencies.  I believe they were a member of the 
 ISP-Wireless and some other groups I used to be a part of when I was in 
 the provider game.  Wouldn’t hurt to havre a free home site survey done to 
 see if you could reach their tower.  Depends on how long they make you 
 wait for the luxury.:)
 
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Scott. The two that seem to get the most favorable reviews are 
> future technologies and rise broadband. Happen to know either of them? 
> Thanks again!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Feel free to post the names of who is available to you locally.  You 
>> never know I may know one or two of them and can help you get taken 
>> seriously.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, that's too bad!  Thanks for the warning, though. Maybe I'll take a 
>>> closer look at some of the smaller providers. There's one that got 
>>> reviewed well, but they want to contract, and I don't. :-)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Scott Granados 
  wrote:
 
 Oh you definitely don’t want charter.  I had them before FIOS.  The 
 signal constantly dropped out, internet was about half as fast as 
 advertised, very hard to cancel, hold times over an hour when you 
 needed anything.  If you’re hesitant about the smaller guys just wait 
 until you get hooked up to a big one.
 
 You might have a local fiber or high speed provider that would do you 
 better.  Your call though.
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> There are a couple, but at the moment I'm feeling sort of negative 
> about small local guys.  Looks like Charter is going to be the large 
> provider alternative.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Any smaller local guys you can work with or your town possibly?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Donna Goodin  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That does sound refreshing. Unfortunately I just called them, and 
>>> they don't service our address. Sigh!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 

Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Donna Goodin]

It does help, thanks! Once I get done unpacking boxes, I will definitely 
explore this a little bit further. I certainly don't want to be down for five 
days every time our Internet goes out. :-) Thanks Scott.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> It’s just a different thing.
> 
> Instead of going through a phone company to get to your house like the local 
> bell for DSL or cable they use a wireless system.  There’s a central tower 
> with sector panels on top and then they point these small panel looking 
> antennas towards the tower for service.  You might stick a panel on your roof 
> or your side or even just set it in a window depending on your view of the 
> tower.  Speeds from 1 megabit up to hundreds is usually available.  
>Whether it’s good or not depends on how it’s built out like most things.  
> If they used licensed spectrum and good quality gear it usually works great.  
> If they use regular WiFi gear you can have mixed results.  Also depends on 
> geography and the view of the tower but that’s what the site survey is for.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, when I was reading about them, it said something about them being fixed 
>> wireless providers. Sorry if this is a dumb question but what exactly does 
>> that mean? Is it a good thing or a bad thing? :-)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know a little bit about them.  I believe both are fixed wireless 
>>> providers so they may install a small panel on your home that broadcasts 
>>> back to a tower.  Some used licensed space and others use regular non 
>>> licensed WiFi frequencies.  I believe they were a member of the 
>>> ISP-Wireless and some other groups I used to be a part of when I was in the 
>>> provider game.  Wouldn’t hurt to havre a free home site survey done to see 
>>> if you could reach their tower.  Depends on how long they make you wait for 
>>> the luxury.:)
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Thanks, Scott. The two that seem to get the most favorable reviews are 
 future technologies and rise broadband. Happen to know either of them? 
 Thanks again!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Feel free to post the names of who is available to you locally.  You 
> never know I may know one or two of them and can help you get taken 
> seriously.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, that's too bad!  Thanks for the warning, though. Maybe I'll take a 
>> closer look at some of the smaller providers. There's one that got 
>> reviewed well, but they want to contract, and I don't. :-)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh you definitely don’t want charter.  I had them before FIOS.  The 
>>> signal constantly dropped out, internet was about half as fast as 
>>> advertised, very hard to cancel, hold times over an hour when you 
>>> needed anything.  If you’re hesitant about the smaller guys just wait 
>>> until you get hooked up to a big one.
>>> 
>>> You might have a local fiber or high speed provider that would do you 
>>> better.  Your call though.
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 There are a couple, but at the moment I'm feeling sort of negative 
 about small local guys.  Looks like Charter is going to be the large 
 provider alternative.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados 
>  wrote:
> 
> Any smaller local guys you can work with or your town possibly?
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> That does sound refreshing. Unfortunately I just called them, and 
>> they don't service our address. Sigh!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sounds like you'll feel right at home with a larger service 
>>> provider :) Can't speak to Windstream but I've had Cox for years 
>>> and they have generally been solid. I bought my own cablemodem so I 
>>> didn't have to pay the rent for that and plugged that into an Apple 
>>> AirPort. Had hiccups whenever the power burped but I added a UPS 
>>> and now things are pretty 

Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Scott Granados]

It’s just a different thing.

Instead of going through a phone company to get to your house like the local 
bell for DSL or cable they use a wireless system.  There’s a central tower with 
sector panels on top and then they point these small panel looking antennas 
towards the tower for service.  You might stick a panel on your roof or your 
side or even just set it in a window depending on your view of the tower.  
Speeds from 1 megabit up to hundreds is usually available.  
Whether it’s good or not depends on how it’s built out like most 
things.  If they used licensed spectrum and good quality gear it usually works 
great.  If they use regular WiFi gear you can have mixed results.  Also depends 
on geography and the view of the tower but that’s what the site survey is for.

Hope that helps.

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Yes, when I was reading about them, it said something about them being fixed 
> wireless providers. Sorry if this is a dumb question but what exactly does 
> that mean? Is it a good thing or a bad thing? :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I know a little bit about them.  I believe both are fixed wireless providers 
>> so they may install a small panel on your home that broadcasts back to a 
>> tower.  Some used licensed space and others use regular non licensed WiFi 
>> frequencies.  I believe they were a member of the ISP-Wireless and some 
>> other groups I used to be a part of when I was in the provider game.  
>> Wouldn’t hurt to havre a free home site survey done to see if you could 
>> reach their tower.  Depends on how long they make you wait for the luxury.:)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Scott. The two that seem to get the most favorable reviews are 
>>> future technologies and rise broadband. Happen to know either of them? 
>>> Thanks again!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Feel free to post the names of who is available to you locally.  You never 
 know I may know one or two of them and can help you get taken seriously.
 
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Oh, that's too bad!  Thanks for the warning, though. Maybe I'll take a 
> closer look at some of the smaller providers. There's one that got 
> reviewed well, but they want to contract, and I don't. :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh you definitely don’t want charter.  I had them before FIOS.  The 
>> signal constantly dropped out, internet was about half as fast as 
>> advertised, very hard to cancel, hold times over an hour when you needed 
>> anything.  If you’re hesitant about the smaller guys just wait until you 
>> get hooked up to a big one.
>> 
>> You might have a local fiber or high speed provider that would do you 
>> better.  Your call though.
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are a couple, but at the moment I'm feeling sort of negative 
>>> about small local guys.  Looks like Charter is going to be the large 
>>> provider alternative.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados 
  wrote:
 
 Any smaller local guys you can work with or your town possibly?
 
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> That does sound refreshing. Unfortunately I just called them, and 
> they don't service our address. Sigh!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds like you'll feel right at home with a larger service provider 
>> :) Can't speak to Windstream but I've had Cox for years and they 
>> have generally been solid. I bought my own cablemodem so I didn't 
>> have to pay the rent for that and plugged that into an Apple 
>> AirPort. Had hiccups whenever the power burped but I added a UPS and 
>> now things are pretty flawless. I can't recall the last time I had 
>> an outage.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 7/10/17 10:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> Well, I've already got the Winnstream blues. They hooked up our 
>>> service late Thursday afternoon in less than 24 hours it had 
>>> already gone down. And they're telling me that it won't be restored 
>>> until Wednesday. I'm on impressed! 

Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Donna Goodin]

Yes, when I was reading about them, it said something about them being fixed 
wireless providers. Sorry if this is a dumb question but what exactly does that 
mean? Is it a good thing or a bad thing? :-)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I know a little bit about them.  I believe both are fixed wireless providers 
> so they may install a small panel on your home that broadcasts back to a 
> tower.  Some used licensed space and others use regular non licensed WiFi 
> frequencies.  I believe they were a member of the ISP-Wireless and some other 
> groups I used to be a part of when I was in the provider game.  Wouldn’t hurt 
> to havre a free home site survey done to see if you could reach their tower.  
> Depends on how long they make you wait for the luxury.:)
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Scott. The two that seem to get the most favorable reviews are 
>> future technologies and rise broadband. Happen to know either of them? 
>> Thanks again!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Feel free to post the names of who is available to you locally.  You never 
>>> know I may know one or two of them and can help you get taken seriously.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Oh, that's too bad!  Thanks for the warning, though. Maybe I'll take a 
 closer look at some of the smaller providers. There's one that got 
 reviewed well, but they want to contract, and I don't. :-)
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh you definitely don’t want charter.  I had them before FIOS.  The 
> signal constantly dropped out, internet was about half as fast as 
> advertised, very hard to cancel, hold times over an hour when you needed 
> anything.  If you’re hesitant about the smaller guys just wait until you 
> get hooked up to a big one.
> 
> You might have a local fiber or high speed provider that would do you 
> better.  Your call though.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> There are a couple, but at the moment I'm feeling sort of negative about 
>> small local guys.  Looks like Charter is going to be the large provider 
>> alternative.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any smaller local guys you can work with or your town possibly?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 That does sound refreshing. Unfortunately I just called them, and they 
 don't service our address. Sigh!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you'll feel right at home with a larger service provider 
> :) Can't speak to Windstream but I've had Cox for years and they have 
> generally been solid. I bought my own cablemodem so I didn't have to 
> pay the rent for that and plugged that into an Apple AirPort. Had 
> hiccups whenever the power burped but I added a UPS and now things 
> are pretty flawless. I can't recall the last time I had an outage.
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 7/10/17 10:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Well, I've already got the Winnstream blues. They hooked up our 
>> service late Thursday afternoon in less than 24 hours it had already 
>> gone down. And they're telling me that it won't be restored until 
>> Wednesday. I'm on impressed! I've spent hours on the phone with them 
>> and all calls have resulted in absolutely nothing. So, since I'm 
>> really not interested in giving our money to a company that thinks 
>> it's OK to leave customers without service for five days, I am 
>> thinking about switching to Cox.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Scott Granados 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Windstream is a smaller company, out of Rhode Island oddly enough I 
>>> think.  Cox is a pretty major cable provider. So you’ll probably 
>>> get fewer services but more personal attention at wind stream and 
>>> the big company blues but lots more options with Cox.  I would put 
>>> a Cox cable in the category with a Comcast.
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  
 wrote:
 
 

Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Scott Granados]

I know a little bit about them.  I believe both are fixed wireless providers so 
they may install a small panel on your home that broadcasts back to a tower.  
Some used licensed space and others use regular non licensed WiFi frequencies.  
I believe they were a member of the ISP-Wireless and some other groups I used 
to be a part of when I was in the provider game.  Wouldn’t hurt to havre a free 
home site survey done to see if you could reach their tower.  Depends on how 
long they make you wait for the luxury.:)
 

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Scott. The two that seem to get the most favorable reviews are future 
> technologies and rise broadband. Happen to know either of them? Thanks again!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Feel free to post the names of who is available to you locally.  You never 
>> know I may know one or two of them and can help you get taken seriously.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, that's too bad!  Thanks for the warning, though. Maybe I'll take a 
>>> closer look at some of the smaller providers. There's one that got reviewed 
>>> well, but they want to contract, and I don't. :-)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Oh you definitely don’t want charter.  I had them before FIOS.  The signal 
 constantly dropped out, internet was about half as fast as advertised, 
 very hard to cancel, hold times over an hour when you needed anything.  If 
 you’re hesitant about the smaller guys just wait until you get hooked up 
 to a big one.
 
 You might have a local fiber or high speed provider that would do you 
 better.  Your call though.
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> There are a couple, but at the moment I'm feeling sort of negative about 
> small local guys.  Looks like Charter is going to be the large provider 
> alternative.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Any smaller local guys you can work with or your town possibly?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That does sound refreshing. Unfortunately I just called them, and they 
>>> don't service our address. Sigh!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Sounds like you'll feel right at home with a larger service provider 
 :) Can't speak to Windstream but I've had Cox for years and they have 
 generally been solid. I bought my own cablemodem so I didn't have to 
 pay the rent for that and plugged that into an Apple AirPort. Had 
 hiccups whenever the power burped but I added a UPS and now things are 
 pretty flawless. I can't recall the last time I had an outage.
 
 CB
 
> On 7/10/17 10:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> Well, I've already got the Winnstream blues. They hooked up our 
> service late Thursday afternoon in less than 24 hours it had already 
> gone down. And they're telling me that it won't be restored until 
> Wednesday. I'm on impressed! I've spent hours on the phone with them 
> and all calls have resulted in absolutely nothing. So, since I'm 
> really not interested in giving our money to a company that thinks 
> it's OK to leave customers without service for five days, I am 
> thinking about switching to Cox.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Scott Granados 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Windstream is a smaller company, out of Rhode Island oddly enough I 
>> think.  Cox is a pretty major cable provider. So you’ll probably get 
>> fewer services but more personal attention at wind stream and the 
>> big company blues but lots more options with Cox.  I would put a Cox 
>> cable in the category with a Comcast.
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm dealing with getting new Internet service set up at our new 
>>> house. I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed at the moment by Windstream, 
>>> I'm considering Cox as an alternative. Just wondered if anyone on 
>>> this list knew anything about either provider and had either good 
>>> things or bad things to say about their experiences with them?

Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Scott. The two that seem to get the most favorable reviews are future 
technologies and rise broadband. Happen to know either of them? Thanks again!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Feel free to post the names of who is available to you locally.  You never 
> know I may know one or two of them and can help you get taken seriously.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, that's too bad!  Thanks for the warning, though. Maybe I'll take a 
>> closer look at some of the smaller providers. There's one that got reviewed 
>> well, but they want to contract, and I don't. :-)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh you definitely don’t want charter.  I had them before FIOS.  The signal 
>>> constantly dropped out, internet was about half as fast as advertised, very 
>>> hard to cancel, hold times over an hour when you needed anything.  If 
>>> you’re hesitant about the smaller guys just wait until you get hooked up to 
>>> a big one.
>>> 
>>> You might have a local fiber or high speed provider that would do you 
>>> better.  Your call though.
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 There are a couple, but at the moment I'm feeling sort of negative about 
 small local guys.  Looks like Charter is going to be the large provider 
 alternative.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Any smaller local guys you can work with or your town possibly?
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> That does sound refreshing. Unfortunately I just called them, and they 
>> don't service our address. Sigh!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sounds like you'll feel right at home with a larger service provider :) 
>>> Can't speak to Windstream but I've had Cox for years and they have 
>>> generally been solid. I bought my own cablemodem so I didn't have to 
>>> pay the rent for that and plugged that into an Apple AirPort. Had 
>>> hiccups whenever the power burped but I added a UPS and now things are 
>>> pretty flawless. I can't recall the last time I had an outage.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
 On 7/10/17 10:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 Well, I've already got the Winnstream blues. They hooked up our 
 service late Thursday afternoon in less than 24 hours it had already 
 gone down. And they're telling me that it won't be restored until 
 Wednesday. I'm on impressed! I've spent hours on the phone with them 
 and all calls have resulted in absolutely nothing. So, since I'm 
 really not interested in giving our money to a company that thinks 
 it's OK to leave customers without service for five days, I am 
 thinking about switching to Cox.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Scott Granados 
>  wrote:
> 
> Windstream is a smaller company, out of Rhode Island oddly enough I 
> think.  Cox is a pretty major cable provider. So you’ll probably get 
> fewer services but more personal attention at wind stream and the big 
> company blues but lots more options with Cox.  I would put a Cox 
> cable in the category with a Comcast.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm dealing with getting new Internet service set up at our new 
>> house. I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed at the moment by Windstream, 
>> I'm considering Cox as an alternative. Just wondered if anyone on 
>> this list knew anything about either provider and had either good 
>> things or bad things to say about their experiences with them?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Scott Granados]

Feel free to post the names of who is available to you locally.  You never know 
I may know one or two of them and can help you get taken seriously.


> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Oh, that's too bad!  Thanks for the warning, though. Maybe I'll take a closer 
> look at some of the smaller providers. There's one that got reviewed well, 
> but they want to contract, and I don't. :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh you definitely don’t want charter.  I had them before FIOS.  The signal 
>> constantly dropped out, internet was about half as fast as advertised, very 
>> hard to cancel, hold times over an hour when you needed anything.  If you’re 
>> hesitant about the smaller guys just wait until you get hooked up to a big 
>> one.
>> 
>> You might have a local fiber or high speed provider that would do you 
>> better.  Your call though.
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are a couple, but at the moment I'm feeling sort of negative about 
>>> small local guys.  Looks like Charter is going to be the large provider 
>>> alternative.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Any smaller local guys you can work with or your town possibly?
 
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> That does sound refreshing. Unfortunately I just called them, and they 
> don't service our address. Sigh!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds like you'll feel right at home with a larger service provider :) 
>> Can't speak to Windstream but I've had Cox for years and they have 
>> generally been solid. I bought my own cablemodem so I didn't have to pay 
>> the rent for that and plugged that into an Apple AirPort. Had hiccups 
>> whenever the power burped but I added a UPS and now things are pretty 
>> flawless. I can't recall the last time I had an outage.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 7/10/17 10:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> Well, I've already got the Winnstream blues. They hooked up our service 
>>> late Thursday afternoon in less than 24 hours it had already gone down. 
>>> And they're telling me that it won't be restored until Wednesday. I'm 
>>> on impressed! I've spent hours on the phone with them and all calls 
>>> have resulted in absolutely nothing. So, since I'm really not 
>>> interested in giving our money to a company that thinks it's OK to 
>>> leave customers without service for five days, I am thinking about 
>>> switching to Cox.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Windstream is a smaller company, out of Rhode Island oddly enough I 
 think.  Cox is a pretty major cable provider. So you’ll probably get 
 fewer services but more personal attention at wind stream and the big 
 company blues but lots more options with Cox.  I would put a Cox cable 
 in the category with a Comcast.
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm dealing with getting new Internet service set up at our new 
> house. I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed at the moment by Windstream, 
> I'm considering Cox as an alternative. Just wondered if anyone on 
> this list knew anything about either provider and had either good 
> things or bad things to say about their experiences with them?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Donna Goodin]

Oh, that's too bad!  Thanks for the warning, though. Maybe I'll take a closer 
look at some of the smaller providers. There's one that got reviewed well, but 
they want to contract, and I don't. :-)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Oh you definitely don’t want charter.  I had them before FIOS.  The signal 
> constantly dropped out, internet was about half as fast as advertised, very 
> hard to cancel, hold times over an hour when you needed anything.  If you’re 
> hesitant about the smaller guys just wait until you get hooked up to a big 
> one.
> 
> You might have a local fiber or high speed provider that would do you better. 
>  Your call though.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> There are a couple, but at the moment I'm feeling sort of negative about 
>> small local guys.  Looks like Charter is going to be the large provider 
>> alternative.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any smaller local guys you can work with or your town possibly?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 That does sound refreshing. Unfortunately I just called them, and they 
 don't service our address. Sigh!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you'll feel right at home with a larger service provider :) 
> Can't speak to Windstream but I've had Cox for years and they have 
> generally been solid. I bought my own cablemodem so I didn't have to pay 
> the rent for that and plugged that into an Apple AirPort. Had hiccups 
> whenever the power burped but I added a UPS and now things are pretty 
> flawless. I can't recall the last time I had an outage.
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 7/10/17 10:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Well, I've already got the Winnstream blues. They hooked up our service 
>> late Thursday afternoon in less than 24 hours it had already gone down. 
>> And they're telling me that it won't be restored until Wednesday. I'm on 
>> impressed! I've spent hours on the phone with them and all calls have 
>> resulted in absolutely nothing. So, since I'm really not interested in 
>> giving our money to a company that thinks it's OK to leave customers 
>> without service for five days, I am thinking about switching to Cox.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Windstream is a smaller company, out of Rhode Island oddly enough I 
>>> think.  Cox is a pretty major cable provider. So you’ll probably get 
>>> fewer services but more personal attention at wind stream and the big 
>>> company blues but lots more options with Cox.  I would put a Cox cable 
>>> in the category with a Comcast.
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm dealing with getting new Internet service set up at our new house. 
 I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed at the moment by Windstream, I'm 
 considering Cox as an alternative. Just wondered if anyone on this 
 list knew anything about either provider and had either good things or 
 bad things to say about their experiences with them?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
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Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Scott Granados]

Oh you definitely don’t want charter.  I had them before FIOS.  The signal 
constantly dropped out, internet was about half as fast as advertised, very 
hard to cancel, hold times over an hour when you needed anything.  If you’re 
hesitant about the smaller guys just wait until you get hooked up to a big one.

You might have a local fiber or high speed provider that would do you better.  
Your call though.

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> There are a couple, but at the moment I'm feeling sort of negative about 
> small local guys.  Looks like Charter is going to be the large provider 
> alternative.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Any smaller local guys you can work with or your town possibly?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That does sound refreshing. Unfortunately I just called them, and they 
>>> don't service our address. Sigh!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Sounds like you'll feel right at home with a larger service provider :) 
 Can't speak to Windstream but I've had Cox for years and they have 
 generally been solid. I bought my own cablemodem so I didn't have to pay 
 the rent for that and plugged that into an Apple AirPort. Had hiccups 
 whenever the power burped but I added a UPS and now things are pretty 
 flawless. I can't recall the last time I had an outage.
 
 CB
 
> On 7/10/17 10:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> Well, I've already got the Winnstream blues. They hooked up our service 
> late Thursday afternoon in less than 24 hours it had already gone down. 
> And they're telling me that it won't be restored until Wednesday. I'm on 
> impressed! I've spent hours on the phone with them and all calls have 
> resulted in absolutely nothing. So, since I'm really not interested in 
> giving our money to a company that thinks it's OK to leave customers 
> without service for five days, I am thinking about switching to Cox.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Windstream is a smaller company, out of Rhode Island oddly enough I 
>> think.  Cox is a pretty major cable provider. So you’ll probably get 
>> fewer services but more personal attention at wind stream and the big 
>> company blues but lots more options with Cox.  I would put a Cox cable 
>> in the category with a Comcast.
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm dealing with getting new Internet service set up at our new house. 
>>> I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed at the moment by Windstream, I'm 
>>> considering Cox as an alternative. Just wondered if anyone on this list 
>>> knew anything about either provider and had either good things or bad 
>>> things to say about their experiences with them?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Donna Goodin]

There are a couple, but at the moment I'm feeling sort of negative about small 
local guys.  Looks like Charter is going to be the large provider alternative.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Any smaller local guys you can work with or your town possibly?
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> That does sound refreshing. Unfortunately I just called them, and they don't 
>> service our address. Sigh!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sounds like you'll feel right at home with a larger service provider :) 
>>> Can't speak to Windstream but I've had Cox for years and they have 
>>> generally been solid. I bought my own cablemodem so I didn't have to pay 
>>> the rent for that and plugged that into an Apple AirPort. Had hiccups 
>>> whenever the power burped but I added a UPS and now things are pretty 
>>> flawless. I can't recall the last time I had an outage.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
 On 7/10/17 10:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 Well, I've already got the Winnstream blues. They hooked up our service 
 late Thursday afternoon in less than 24 hours it had already gone down. 
 And they're telling me that it won't be restored until Wednesday. I'm on 
 impressed! I've spent hours on the phone with them and all calls have 
 resulted in absolutely nothing. So, since I'm really not interested in 
 giving our money to a company that thinks it's OK to leave customers 
 without service for five days, I am thinking about switching to Cox.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Windstream is a smaller company, out of Rhode Island oddly enough I 
> think.  Cox is a pretty major cable provider. So you’ll probably get 
> fewer services but more personal attention at wind stream and the big 
> company blues but lots more options with Cox.  I would put a Cox cable in 
> the category with a Comcast.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm dealing with getting new Internet service set up at our new house. 
>> I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed at the moment by Windstream, I'm 
>> considering Cox as an alternative. Just wondered if anyone on this list 
>> knew anything about either provider and had either good things or bad 
>> things to say about their experiences with them?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Scott Granados]

Any smaller local guys you can work with or your town possibly?


> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> That does sound refreshing. Unfortunately I just called them, and they don't 
> service our address. Sigh!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds like you'll feel right at home with a larger service provider :) 
>> Can't speak to Windstream but I've had Cox for years and they have generally 
>> been solid. I bought my own cablemodem so I didn't have to pay the rent for 
>> that and plugged that into an Apple AirPort. Had hiccups whenever the power 
>> burped but I added a UPS and now things are pretty flawless. I can't recall 
>> the last time I had an outage.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 7/10/17 10:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> Well, I've already got the Winnstream blues. They hooked up our service 
>>> late Thursday afternoon in less than 24 hours it had already gone down. And 
>>> they're telling me that it won't be restored until Wednesday. I'm on 
>>> impressed! I've spent hours on the phone with them and all calls have 
>>> resulted in absolutely nothing. So, since I'm really not interested in 
>>> giving our money to a company that thinks it's OK to leave customers 
>>> without service for five days, I am thinking about switching to Cox.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Windstream is a smaller company, out of Rhode Island oddly enough I think. 
  Cox is a pretty major cable provider. So you’ll probably get fewer 
 services but more personal attention at wind stream and the big company 
 blues but lots more options with Cox.  I would put a Cox cable in the 
 category with a Comcast.
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm dealing with getting new Internet service set up at our new house. 
> I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed at the moment by Windstream, I'm 
> considering Cox as an alternative. Just wondered if anyone on this list 
> knew anything about either provider and had either good things or bad 
> things to say about their experiences with them?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
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Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Donna Goodin]

That does sound refreshing. Unfortunately I just called them, and they don't 
service our address. Sigh!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you'll feel right at home with a larger service provider :) Can't 
> speak to Windstream but I've had Cox for years and they have generally been 
> solid. I bought my own cablemodem so I didn't have to pay the rent for that 
> and plugged that into an Apple AirPort. Had hiccups whenever the power burped 
> but I added a UPS and now things are pretty flawless. I can't recall the last 
> time I had an outage.
> 
> CB
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>> On 7/10/17 10:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Well, I've already got the Winnstream blues. They hooked up our service late 
>> Thursday afternoon in less than 24 hours it had already gone down. And 
>> they're telling me that it won't be restored until Wednesday. I'm on 
>> impressed! I've spent hours on the phone with them and all calls have 
>> resulted in absolutely nothing. So, since I'm really not interested in 
>> giving our money to a company that thinks it's OK to leave customers without 
>> service for five days, I am thinking about switching to Cox.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Windstream is a smaller company, out of Rhode Island oddly enough I think.  
>>> Cox is a pretty major cable provider. So you’ll probably get fewer services 
>>> but more personal attention at wind stream and the big company blues but 
>>> lots more options with Cox.  I would put a Cox cable in the category with a 
>>> Comcast.
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm dealing with getting new Internet service set up at our new house. I'm 
 feeling a bit underwhelmed at the moment by Windstream, I'm considering 
 Cox as an alternative. Just wondered if anyone on this list knew anything 
 about either provider and had either good things or bad things to say 
 about their experiences with them?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
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Re: Windstream versus Cox?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Sounds like you'll feel right at home with a larger service provider :) 
Can't speak to Windstream but I've had Cox for years and they have 
generally been solid. I bought my own cablemodem so I didn't have to pay 
the rent for that and plugged that into an Apple AirPort. Had hiccups 
whenever the power burped but I added a UPS and now things are pretty 
flawless. I can't recall the last time I had an outage.


CB

On 7/10/17 10:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Well, I've already got the Winnstream blues. They hooked up our service late 
Thursday afternoon in less than 24 hours it had already gone down. And they're 
telling me that it won't be restored until Wednesday. I'm on impressed! I've 
spent hours on the phone with them and all calls have resulted in absolutely 
nothing. So, since I'm really not interested in giving our money to a company 
that thinks it's OK to leave customers without service for five days, I am 
thinking about switching to Cox.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Windstream is a smaller company, out of Rhode Island oddly enough I think.  Cox 
is a pretty major cable provider. So you’ll probably get fewer services but 
more personal attention at wind stream and the big company blues but lots more 
options with Cox.  I would put a Cox cable in the category with a Comcast.


On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

I'm dealing with getting new Internet service set up at our new house. I'm 
feeling a bit underwhelmed at the moment by Windstream, I'm considering Cox as 
an alternative. Just wondered if anyone on this list knew anything about either 
provider and had either good things or bad things to say about their 
experiences with them?
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Donna Goodin]

Well, I've already got the Winnstream blues. They hooked up our service late 
Thursday afternoon in less than 24 hours it had already gone down. And they're 
telling me that it won't be restored until Wednesday. I'm on impressed! I've 
spent hours on the phone with them and all calls have resulted in absolutely 
nothing. So, since I'm really not interested in giving our money to a company 
that thinks it's OK to leave customers without service for five days, I am 
thinking about switching to Cox.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Windstream is a smaller company, out of Rhode Island oddly enough I think.  
> Cox is a pretty major cable provider. So you’ll probably get fewer services 
> but more personal attention at wind stream and the big company blues but lots 
> more options with Cox.  I would put a Cox cable in the category with a 
> Comcast.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm dealing with getting new Internet service set up at our new house. I'm 
>> feeling a bit underwhelmed at the moment by Windstream, I'm considering Cox 
>> as an alternative. Just wondered if anyone on this list knew anything about 
>> either provider and had either good things or bad things to say about their 
>> experiences with them?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Windstream versus Cox?

[Scott Granados]

Windstream is a smaller company, out of Rhode Island oddly enough I think.  Cox 
is a pretty major cable provider. So you’ll probably get fewer services but 
more personal attention at wind stream and the big company blues but lots more 
options with Cox.  I would put a Cox cable in the category with a Comcast.

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm dealing with getting new Internet service set up at our new house. I'm 
> feeling a bit underwhelmed at the moment by Windstream, I'm considering Cox 
> as an alternative. Just wondered if anyone on this list knew anything about 
> either provider and had either good things or bad things to say about their 
> experiences with them?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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