Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Jonathan Cohn]

Kevin,

If an app has available both GPS always and GPS when active options in IOS 10, 
then after GPS is accessed while the app is in the background IOS will bring up 
a dialog to allow you to disable background GPS activity. So this is not as 
hidden as many of the system options.

Though I doubt most IOS users have any clue how to adjust this setting after 
initial query.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 19, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> While choice and lots of settings sounds great in theory–it falls down in 
> practice. Only power-users, which is a small-subset of the user-base know 
> about these settings and even a smaller set of users that configure them. 
> It’s an engineer approach to stuff in lots of settings, but great UX Design 
> will have excellent defaults that are user focused.
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:42 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> I agree, more choice is a good thing.  Don’t let Uber or anyone else make 
> this choice for me.  As long as there’s a knob I can control my self I’m for 
> it.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree regarding the validity.  The benefit to this feature though is the 
>> choice from the user prospective.  If the user would rather not these apps 
>> do this sort of thing, they can disable it.  Improves on security and a 
>> user's ability to configure to their own preferences.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 17, 2017, at 22:29, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>> 
>> There’s validity in apps like FourSquare, Yelp, etc. using location services 
>> in background. E.g. It’s able to provide proactive recommendations via 
>> notifications based on where I am/near without having to open the app. Same 
>> goes for being able to have Uber/Lyft know where I am and arrive faster–it’s 
>> a trade-off between usability and privacy.
>> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:54 PM Mike Arrigo > > wrote:
>> Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is absolutely 
>> no reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no purpose and 
>> probably drains the battery faster.
>> > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
>> > feature would really be welcome.
>> > Mary
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>> >> CNET
>> >> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> >> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the 
>> >> options
>> >> a developer provides.
>> >> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>> >> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
>> >> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>> >> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>> >> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your 
>> >> location.
>> >> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> >> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD 
>> >> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> >> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
>> >> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
>> >> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> >> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > 
>> >> Privacy
>> >>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> >> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> >> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>> >> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the 
>> >> beta
>> >> process progresses.
>> >> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>> >> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
>> >>  
>> >> 
>> >> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> >>
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Michael Marshall]

What is really confusing is the different dates I am getting for the public 
release of the first beta.
i got late june, early, mid and late july?
does anyone know the correct date?
i'm guessing july at some point.
> On 20 Jun 2017, at 6:27 am, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> While choice and lots of settings sounds great in theory–it falls down in 
> practice. Only power-users, which is a small-subset of the user-base know 
> about these settings and even a smaller set of users that configure them. 
> It’s an engineer approach to stuff in lots of settings, but great UX Design 
> will have excellent defaults that are user focused.
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:42 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> I agree, more choice is a good thing.  Don’t let Uber or anyone else make 
> this choice for me.  As long as there’s a knob I can control my self I’m for 
> it.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree regarding the validity.  The benefit to this feature though is the 
>> choice from the user prospective.  If the user would rather not these apps 
>> do this sort of thing, they can disable it.  Improves on security and a 
>> user's ability to configure to their own preferences.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 17, 2017, at 22:29, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>> 
>> There’s validity in apps like FourSquare, Yelp, etc. using location services 
>> in background. E.g. It’s able to provide proactive recommendations via 
>> notifications based on where I am/near without having to open the app. Same 
>> goes for being able to have Uber/Lyft know where I am and arrive faster–it’s 
>> a trade-off between usability and privacy.
>> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:54 PM Mike Arrigo > > wrote:
>> Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is absolutely 
>> no reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no purpose and 
>> probably drains the battery faster.
>> > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
>> > feature would really be welcome.
>> > Mary
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>> >> CNET
>> >> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> >> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the 
>> >> options
>> >> a developer provides.
>> >> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>> >> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
>> >> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>> >> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>> >> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your 
>> >> location.
>> >> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> >> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD 
>> >> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> >> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
>> >> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
>> >> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> >> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > 
>> >> Privacy
>> >>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> >> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> >> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>> >> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the 
>> >> beta
>> >> process progresses.
>> >> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>> >> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
>> >>  
>> >> 
>> >> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> >>
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Kevin Chao]

While choice and lots of settings sounds great in theory–it falls down in
practice. Only power-users, which is a small-subset of the user-base know
about these settings and even a smaller set of users that configure them.
It’s an engineer approach to stuff in lots of settings, but great UX Design
will have excellent defaults that are user focused.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:42 AM Scott Granados 
wrote:

> I agree, more choice is a good thing.  Don’t let Uber or anyone else make
> this choice for me.  As long as there’s a knob I can control my self I’m
> for it.
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I agree regarding the validity.  The benefit to this feature though is the
> choice from the user prospective.  If the user would rather not these apps
> do this sort of thing, they can disable it.  Improves on security and a
> user's ability to configure to their own preferences.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jun 17, 2017, at 22:29, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> There’s validity in apps like FourSquare, Yelp, etc. using location
> services in background. E.g. It’s able to provide proactive recommendations
> via notifications based on where I am/near without having to open the app.
> Same goes for being able to have Uber/Lyft know where I am and arrive
> faster–it’s a trade-off between usability and privacy.
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:54 PM Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>
>> Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is
>> absolutely no reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no
>> purpose and probably drains the battery faster.
>> > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> >
>> > Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this
>> feature would really be welcome.
>> > Mary
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location
>> -
>> >> CNET
>> >> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> >> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the
>> options
>> >> a developer provides.
>> >> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access
>> options
>> >> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were
>> limited
>> >> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for
>> use
>> >> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>> >> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your
>> location.
>> >> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> >> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
>> >> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> >> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full
>> control
>> >> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will
>> only
>> >> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> >> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings >
>> Privacy
>> >>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> >> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> >> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes
>> or
>> >> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the
>> beta
>> >> process progresses.
>> >> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>> >>
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
>> >> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Scott Granados]

I agree, more choice is a good thing.  Don’t let Uber or anyone else make this 
choice for me.  As long as there’s a knob I can control my self I’m for it.


> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree regarding the validity.  The benefit to this feature though is the 
> choice from the user prospective.  If the user would rather not these apps do 
> this sort of thing, they can disable it.  Improves on security and a user's 
> ability to configure to their own preferences.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 17, 2017, at 22:29, Kevin Chao  > wrote:
> 
> There’s validity in apps like FourSquare, Yelp, etc. using location services 
> in background. E.g. It’s able to provide proactive recommendations via 
> notifications based on where I am/near without having to open the app. Same 
> goes for being able to have Uber/Lyft know where I am and arrive faster–it’s 
> a trade-off between usability and privacy.
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:54 PM Mike Arrigo  > wrote:
> Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is absolutely 
> no reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no purpose and 
> probably drains the battery faster.
> > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten  > > wrote:
> >
> > Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
> > feature would really be welcome.
> > Mary
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
> >> CNET
> >> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
> >> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
> >> a developer provides.
> >> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
> >> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
> >> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
> >> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
> >> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your 
> >> location.
> >> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
> >> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD 
> >> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
> >> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
> >> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
> >> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
> >> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
> >>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
> >> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
> >> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
> >> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
> >> process progresses.
> >> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
> >> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
> >>  
> >> 
> >> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
> >>
> >>
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I agree regarding the validity.  The benefit to this feature though is the 
choice from the user prospective.  If the user would rather not these apps do 
this sort of thing, they can disable it.  Improves on security and a user's 
ability to configure to their own preferences.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 17, 2017, at 22:29, Kevin Chao  wrote:

There’s validity in apps like FourSquare, Yelp, etc. using location services in 
background. E.g. It’s able to provide proactive recommendations via 
notifications based on where I am/near without having to open the app. Same 
goes for being able to have Uber/Lyft know where I am and arrive faster–it’s a 
trade-off between usability and privacy.
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:54 PM Mike Arrigo > wrote:
Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is absolutely no 
reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no purpose and probably 
drains the battery faster.
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>
> Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
> feature would really be welcome.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor > > wrote:
>>
>> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>> CNET
>> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
>> a developer provides.
>> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
>> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
>> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD 
>> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
>> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
>> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
>>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
>> process progresses.
>> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l 
>> 
>> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>>
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Kevin Chao]

There’s validity in apps like FourSquare, Yelp, etc. using location
services in background. E.g. It’s able to provide proactive recommendations
via notifications based on where I am/near without having to open the app.
Same goes for being able to have Uber/Lyft know where I am and arrive
faster–it’s a trade-off between usability and privacy.
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:54 PM Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is
> absolutely no reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no
> purpose and probably drains the battery faster.
> > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> >
> > Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this
> feature would really be welcome.
> > Mary
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >>
> >> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
> >> CNET
> >> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
> >> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the
> options
> >> a developer provides.
> >> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
> >> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were
> limited
> >> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
> >> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
> >> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your
> location.
> >> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
> >> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
> >> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
> >> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full
> control
> >> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will
> only
> >> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
> >> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings >
> Privacy
> >>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
> >> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
> >> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
> >> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the
> beta
> >> process progresses.
> >> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
> >>
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
> >> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
> >>
> >>
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Mike Arrigo]

Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is absolutely no 
reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no purpose and probably 
drains the battery faster.
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
> feature would really be welcome.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>> CNET
>> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
>> a developer provides.
>> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
>> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always. 
>> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
>> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
>> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
>> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
>> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
>>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
>> process progresses.
>> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
>> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> 
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Jonathan Cohn]

How precise is the data that the carriers have? I know it is ancient history 
now, but I remember when listening to the "Serial" podcast was running the 
carrier could only provide data to the tower level. I have also listened to 
discussions on the devices used in cars/helicopters that pretend to be cell 
towers so that they can receive the responses to AYT messages and get a signal 
strength of all reachable devices in range of the device. I believe that was 
called a Sting Ray, and there have been court discussions as to the legality of 
using these devices. 
Probably off topic on this list however.
 and 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 10, 2017, at 8:11 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Good for stopping Uber but the real privacy invaders (the Government) I’m 
> sure will have their location access preserved.:)
> 
> It’s interesting how hard that location data is to get access too.  There’s 
> the in phone location data but then there’s the network data that Verizon and 
> the other carriers keep.  It’s very hard for a company to get access to this 
> network data.  It’s amazing how under the thumbs of the government Verizon 
> is.  I can’t talk much about it but my first week actually working onsite at 
> Verizon was the week of the Boston bombing.  Let’s just say, eye opening day 
> in wireless carrier land.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
>> feature would really be welcome.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>>> CNET
>>> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>>> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
>>> a developer provides.
>>> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>>> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
>>> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>>> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>>> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
>>> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>>> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
>>> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>>> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
>>> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
>>> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>>> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
 Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>>> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>>> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>>> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
>>> process progresses.
>>> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
>>> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>>> 
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Good for stopping Uber but the real privacy invaders (the Government) I’m sure 
will have their location access preserved.:)

It’s interesting how hard that location data is to get access too.  There’s the 
in phone location data but then there’s the network data that Verizon and the 
other carriers keep.  It’s very hard for a company to get access to this 
network data.  It’s amazing how under the thumbs of the government Verizon is.  
I can’t talk much about it but my first week actually working onsite at Verizon 
was the week of the Boston bombing.  Let’s just say, eye opening day in 
wireless carrier land.


> On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
> feature would really be welcome.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>> CNET
>> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
>> a developer provides.
>> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
>> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
>> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
>> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
>> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
>> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
>>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
>> process progresses.
>> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
>> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> 
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RE: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[gary-melconian]

Mary, good luck, youknow by now all code has bugs no matter how clean and great 
ther is always bugs introduced there is no way around that one.  

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Subject: Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your 
location - CNET

Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this feature 
would really be welcome.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location 
> - CNET When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the 
> option to customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless 
> of the options a developer provides.
> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access 
> options provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you 
> were limited to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the 
> option for use only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or 
> Always.
> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017 As the above screenshot 
> shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control over when an app 
> can access location data. Naturally, most users will only want that to 
> be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > 
> Privacy
>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in 
>> the
> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes 
> or changes features before final release. We will update this post as 
> the beta process progresses.
> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-
> your-l
> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
> 
> 
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Mary Otten]

Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this feature 
would really be welcome.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
> CNET
> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
> a developer provides.
> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always. 
> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
> process progresses.
> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
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