Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-11 Thread Piotr Machacz
I just had a brief play with the various office apps and I think the 
problems aren't very big and can still be fixed. Before people cut my 
head off, you need to keep in mind that this is still an early preview 
which will continue to get updated and it looks to me like Microsoft is 
still working on it. Stepping away from Word for a moment, Outlook seems 
to work quite well, Excel, although not tracking where the focus is with 
the arrow keys does at least expose the cells to VO, while powerpoint 
seems to work quite well already - you can see the various slide 
rectangles, edit them, and VoiceOver gives you warnings when they are 
hidden. Viewing existing slides is also accessible and the feedback you 
get is a lot better and faster than with keynote, which just seems to 
say something in the lines of, 2 items were updated as slides change. 
One note is also working which bodes well for Word.
Back to Word, VoiceOver already knows that the document pane is a text 
area, so all that's left for Microsoft is to expose the text and send 
various notifications when the text is updated or when the cursor moves, 
a task made considerably simpler with Yosemite. The other reason I'm not 
worrying just yet is that for the few months I've been with the Windows 
10 tech preview, it also has accessibility issues that get progressively 
addressed. For example, when the notification center was introduced, 
there was at first no way to get to it at all from the keyboard. A build 
later, that was addressed, but the interface was very cluttered, and 
with yet another build that, too was fixed. The start menu was just 
rewritten and is currently not very accessible, but Microsoft is aware 
of this and it will most likely be addressed. And let's not forget the 
office web apps, or the iOS office apps.  iWork didn't work as well as 
it does now from the get go either, the first versions of pages 13 
didn't indicate links, the export dialogs weren't very accessible and 
keynote's presentation view was completely broken for a few builds, 
those were all fixed later.
So yeah, I think by the time office 16 leaves preview it will work quite 
well


On 2015-03-11 00:27, Eileen Misrahi wrote:

Hi Chris,

I would love to use Pages, but I am a recent Mac user of 1-1/2 years and I need 
Word for my business. Not that I’m opposed to learning a new word processor, 
but when one has used a piece of software for many years, I am more productive 
and less time is wasted in attempting to figure out some formatting or use of 
styles that are not apparent to a new user. I was trying not to have to install 
Win 8.1 into BootCamp, but I guess I will have to bite the bullet. I still 
wrote to Microsoft. This is a beta, so maybe they will get it right this time.

Best,
Eileen

On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Considerring that we've been telling Microsoft since the first release of 
Office for the Mac back in the Tiger Days to fix this issue?

Need I say more?  Just stick with Pages, if possible.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Eileen Misrahi" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hello,

I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but there is 
no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo character, 
word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO to work. I knew 
that there was words processed because when I tabbed to the word count it 
stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of that activates the spell 
checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues regarding VO accessing the 
document pane edit field. If others are finding the same, it takes a village to 
get someone to look at the problem and maybe have a chance that it will be 
fixed. JMO.

Best,
Eileen

On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Tim,

You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said.  Smile. I 
kind a wondered that same thing.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hi,

Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document pane, 
then you are removing the container where the text is being held. Would that 
not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, inaccessible?  If one 
does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you know is in the body of the 
document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, we’re getting somewhere, if not, 
then the accessibility of the editable area is non-existent.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you could 
disable that, then it would be wo

Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-11 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi Eileen
Although I realize that you had use word for a long time, I suggest that you 
consider gradually learning pages. The 2013 version is a lot better for voice 
over. How long it would take you would depend on how complicated your work is, 
of course. It did not take me very long to learn pages at all.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 11, 2015, at 7:05 AM, William Gallik  wrote:
> 
> Would not Dream Writer resolve the problem of needing to access Word 
> documents?
> 
> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
> - "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
> - Original Message - From: "Eileen Misrahi" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
> 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I would love to use Pages, but I am a recent Mac user of 1-1/2 years and I 
> need Word for my business. Not that I’m opposed to learning a new word 
> processor, but when one has used a piece of software for many years, I am 
> more productive and less time is wasted in attempting to figure out some 
> formatting or use of styles that are not apparent to a new user. I was trying 
> not to have to install Win 8.1 into BootCamp, but I guess I will have to bite 
> the bullet. I still wrote to Microsoft. This is a beta, so maybe they will 
> get it right this time.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Considerring that we've been telling Microsoft since the first release of 
>> Office for the Mac back in the Tiger Days to fix this issue?
>> 
>> Need I say more?  Just stick with Pages, if possible.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Eileen Misrahi" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but there 
>> is no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo 
>> character, word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO to 
>> work. I knew that there was words processed because when I tabbed to the 
>> word count it stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of that 
>> activates the spell checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues 
>> regarding VO accessing the document pane edit field. If others are finding 
>> the same, it takes a village to get someone to look at the problem and maybe 
>> have a chance that it will be fixed. JMO.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> 
>>> You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said. Smile. I 
>>> kind a wondered that same thing.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document 
>>> pane, then you are removing the container where the text is being held. 
>>> Would that not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, 
>>> inaccessible?  If one does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you 
>>> know is in the body of the document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, 
>>> we’re getting somewhere, if not, then the accessibility of the editable 
>>> area is non-existent.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you 
>>> could disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my 
>>> first message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd 
>>> think that would make it even worse.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver

Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-11 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hi,

The way I see it from trying to get Office 2016 to work is the integration of 
the voiceover screen reader into the software so there's full speech feedback 
and navigation within the software. When I used it yesterday, I did get a word 
count indicating that my word processing was there, but the accessibility 
wasn't. So, if this is the case, to me Dream Writer wouldn't fix the problem. 
JMO.

Eileen  y 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 11, 2015, at 5:05 AM, William Gallik  wrote:
> 
> Would not Dream Writer resolve the problem of needing to access Word 
> documents?
> 
> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
> - "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
> - Original Message - From: "Eileen Misrahi" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
> 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I would love to use Pages, but I am a recent Mac user of 1-1/2 years and I 
> need Word for my business. Not that I’m opposed to learning a new word 
> processor, but when one has used a piece of software for many years, I am 
> more productive and less time is wasted in attempting to figure out some 
> formatting or use of styles that are not apparent to a new user. I was trying 
> not to have to install Win 8.1 into BootCamp, but I guess I will have to bite 
> the bullet. I still wrote to Microsoft. This is a beta, so maybe they will 
> get it right this time.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Considerring that we've been telling Microsoft since the first release of 
>> Office for the Mac back in the Tiger Days to fix this issue?
>> 
>> Need I say more?  Just stick with Pages, if possible.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Eileen Misrahi" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but there 
>> is no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo 
>> character, word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO to 
>> work. I knew that there was words processed because when I tabbed to the 
>> word count it stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of that 
>> activates the spell checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues 
>> regarding VO accessing the document pane edit field. If others are finding 
>> the same, it takes a village to get someone to look at the problem and maybe 
>> have a chance that it will be fixed. JMO.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> 
>>> You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said. Smile. I 
>>> kind a wondered that same thing.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document 
>>> pane, then you are removing the container where the text is being held. 
>>> Would that not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, 
>>> inaccessible?  If one does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you 
>>> know is in the body of the document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, 
>>> we’re getting somewhere, if not, then the accessibility of the editable 
>>> area is non-existent.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you 
>>> could disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my 
>>> first message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd 
>>> think that would make it even worse.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Wor

Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-11 Thread William Gallik
Would not Dream Writer resolve the problem of needing to access Word 
documents?


- Bill & Leader Dog Holland
- "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on 
society."

- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
- Original Message - 
From: "Eileen Misrahi" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hi Chris,

I would love to use Pages, but I am a recent Mac user of 1-1/2 years and I 
need Word for my business. Not that I’m opposed to learning a new word 
processor, but when one has used a piece of software for many years, I am 
more productive and less time is wasted in attempting to figure out some 
formatting or use of styles that are not apparent to a new user. I was 
trying not to have to install Win 8.1 into BootCamp, but I guess I will have 
to bite the bullet. I still wrote to Microsoft. This is a beta, so maybe 
they will get it right this time.


Best,
Eileen
On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Considerring that we've been telling Microsoft since the first release of 
Office for the Mac back in the Tiger Days to fix this issue?


Need I say more?  Just stick with Pages, if possible.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Eileen Misrahi" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hello,

I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but 
there is no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo 
character, word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO 
to work. I knew that there was words processed because when I tabbed to 
the word count it stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of 
that activates the spell checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues 
regarding VO accessing the document pane edit field. If others are finding 
the same, it takes a village to get someone to look at the problem and 
maybe have a chance that it will be fixed. JMO.


Best,
Eileen
On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Tim,

You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said. 
Smile. I kind a wondered that same thing.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hi,

Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document 
pane, then you are removing the container where the text is being held. 
Would that not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, 
inaccessible?  If one does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you 
know is in the body of the document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, 
we’re getting somewhere, if not, then the accessibility of the editable 
area is non-existent.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you 
could disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my 
first message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd 
think that would make it even worse.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
document area at all.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
Mountain Lion


AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT





On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:

word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
:


Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't 
actually tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be 
of much help there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's 
supposed to supposedly be fairly doable.


Chris.

- Original Message ----- From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


any outlook app too?

Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be 
the direct download to the .PKG file.


http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849

Best of luck with it!

Chris.

----- Original Message ----- From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 201

Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-11 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Too bad Open/Libre office doesn’t work either otherwise we could have edited 
word documents directly there instead of having to export to word format like 
you have to do in Pages. That in my not so humble opinion is just as big a deal 
breaker for Pages as the fact that in Open/Libre office, every single new line 
is treated as a new edit box making it impossible to read or select big chunks 
of text.
/Krister

> 11 mar 2015 kl. 00:27 skrev Eileen Misrahi :
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I would love to use Pages, but I am a recent Mac user of 1-1/2 years and I 
> need Word for my business. Not that I’m opposed to learning a new word 
> processor, but when one has used a piece of software for many years, I am 
> more productive and less time is wasted in attempting to figure out some 
> formatting or use of styles that are not apparent to a new user. I was trying 
> not to have to install Win 8.1 into BootCamp, but I guess I will have to bite 
> the bullet. I still wrote to Microsoft. This is a beta, so maybe they will 
> get it right this time.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Considerring that we've been telling Microsoft since the first release of 
>> Office for the Mac back in the Tiger Days to fix this issue?
>> 
>> Need I say more?  Just stick with Pages, if possible.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message - From: "Eileen Misrahi" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but there 
>> is no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo 
>> character, word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO to 
>> work. I knew that there was words processed because when I tabbed to the 
>> word count it stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of that 
>> activates the spell checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues 
>> regarding VO accessing the document pane edit field. If others are finding 
>> the same, it takes a village to get someone to look at the problem and maybe 
>> have a chance that it will be fixed. JMO.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> 
>>> You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said.  Smile. 
>>> I kind a wondered that same thing.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document 
>>> pane, then you are removing the container where the text is being held. 
>>> Would that not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, 
>>> inaccessible?  If one does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you 
>>> know is in the body of the document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, 
>>> we’re getting somewhere, if not, then the accessibility of the editable 
>>> area is non-existent.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you 
>>> could disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my 
>>> first message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd 
>>> think that would make it even worse.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
>>> document area at all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION

Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-11 Thread mattias

but outlook seems to work
you can navigate messages and reed

Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 10:18 PM:
I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if 
you could disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said 
in my first message, I don't understand how that would help.  If 
anything, I'd think that would make it even worse.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


  How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read 
the document area at all.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
Mountain Lion


AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT





On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:

word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
:


Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't 
actually tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot 
be of much help there at this given time.  I hear, however, that 
it's supposed to supposedly be fairly doable.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


any outlook app too?

Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should 
be the direct download to the .PKG file.


http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849

Best of luck with it!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:

Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 
2013. It would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. 
I believe that the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking 
it from voiceover. Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I 
was attempting to send Microsoft some feedback, but when I clicked 
on the feedback tab in Word preferences, there was no method to do 
this. Has anyone figured out the magic steps to get rid of the 
“Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have the contact to send 
constructive criticism to Microsoft?


thanks in advance.

Warmest regards,
Eileen





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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Very understandable about your situation.

Take care.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Eileen Misrahi" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hi Chris,

I would love to use Pages, but I am a recent Mac user of 1-1/2 years and I 
need Word for my business. Not that I’m opposed to learning a new word 
processor, but when one has used a piece of software for many years, I am 
more productive and less time is wasted in attempting to figure out some 
formatting or use of styles that are not apparent to a new user. I was 
trying not to have to install Win 8.1 into BootCamp, but I guess I will have 
to bite the bullet. I still wrote to Microsoft. This is a beta, so maybe 
they will get it right this time.


Best,
Eileen
On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Considerring that we've been telling Microsoft since the first release of 
Office for the Mac back in the Tiger Days to fix this issue?


Need I say more?  Just stick with Pages, if possible.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Eileen Misrahi" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hello,

I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but 
there is no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo 
character, word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO 
to work. I knew that there was words processed because when I tabbed to 
the word count it stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of 
that activates the spell checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues 
regarding VO accessing the document pane edit field. If others are finding 
the same, it takes a village to get someone to look at the problem and 
maybe have a chance that it will be fixed. JMO.


Best,
Eileen
On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Tim,

You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said. 
Smile. I kind a wondered that same thing.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hi,

Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document 
pane, then you are removing the container where the text is being held. 
Would that not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, 
inaccessible?  If one does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you 
know is in the body of the document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, 
we’re getting somewhere, if not, then the accessibility of the editable 
area is non-existent.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you 
could disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my 
first message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd 
think that would make it even worse.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
document area at all.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
Mountain Lion


AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT





On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:

word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
:


Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't 
actually tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be 
of much help there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's 
supposed to supposedly be fairly doable.


Chris.

- Original Message ----- From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


any outlook app too?

Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be 
the direct download to the .PKG file.


http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849

Best of luck with it!

Chris.

- Original Message ----- From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:

Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 
2013. It would be nic

Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hi Chris, 

I would love to use Pages, but I am a recent Mac user of 1-1/2 years and I need 
Word for my business. Not that I’m opposed to learning a new word processor, 
but when one has used a piece of software for many years, I am more productive 
and less time is wasted in attempting to figure out some formatting or use of 
styles that are not apparent to a new user. I was trying not to have to install 
Win 8.1 into BootCamp, but I guess I will have to bite the bullet. I still 
wrote to Microsoft. This is a beta, so maybe they will get it right this time. 

Best, 
Eileen 
> On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Considerring that we've been telling Microsoft since the first release of 
> Office for the Mac back in the Tiger Days to fix this issue?
> 
> Need I say more?  Just stick with Pages, if possible.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Eileen Misrahi" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but there 
> is no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo 
> character, word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO to 
> work. I knew that there was words processed because when I tabbed to the word 
> count it stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of that activates 
> the spell checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues regarding VO 
> accessing the document pane edit field. If others are finding the same, it 
> takes a village to get someone to look at the problem and maybe have a chance 
> that it will be fixed. JMO.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> 
>> You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said.  Smile. I 
>> kind a wondered that same thing.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document 
>> pane, then you are removing the container where the text is being held. 
>> Would that not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, 
>> inaccessible?  If one does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you 
>> know is in the body of the document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, 
>> we’re getting somewhere, if not, then the accessibility of the editable area 
>> is non-existent.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you 
>> could disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my first 
>> message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd think 
>> that would make it even worse.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>> 
>> 
>> How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
>> document area at all.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 Mountain 
>> Lion
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
>>>> 10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't 
>>>> actually tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be of 
>>>> much help there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's supposed 
>>>> to supposedly be fairly doable.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Mess

Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Considerring that we've been telling Microsoft since the first release of 
Office for the Mac back in the Tiger Days to fix this issue?


Need I say more?  Just stick with Pages, if possible.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Eileen Misrahi" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hello,

I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but there 
is no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo 
character, word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO to 
work. I knew that there was words processed because when I tabbed to the 
word count it stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of that 
activates the spell checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues 
regarding VO accessing the document pane edit field. If others are finding 
the same, it takes a village to get someone to look at the problem and maybe 
have a chance that it will be fixed. JMO.


Best,
Eileen
On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Tim,

You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said.  Smile. 
I kind a wondered that same thing.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hi,

Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document 
pane, then you are removing the container where the text is being held. 
Would that not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, 
inaccessible?  If one does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you 
know is in the body of the document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, we’re 
getting somewhere, if not, then the accessibility of the editable area is 
non-existent.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you 
could disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my 
first message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd 
think that would make it even worse.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
document area at all.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
Mountain Lion


AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT





On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:

word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
:


Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't 
actually tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be of 
much help there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's supposed 
to supposedly be fairly doable.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


any outlook app too?

Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be 
the direct download to the .PKG file.


http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849

Best of luck with it!

Chris.

- Original Message ----- From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:

Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 
2013. It would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I 
believe that the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it 
from voiceover. Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was 
attempting to send Microsoft some feedback, but when I clicked on the 
feedback tab in Word preferences, there was no method to do this. Has 
anyone figured out the magic steps to get rid of the “Document” pane 
yet? And, does anyone have the contact to send constructive criticism 
to Microsoft?


thanks in advance.

Warmest regards,
Eileen





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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hello, 

I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but there is 
no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo character, 
word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO to work. I knew 
that there was words processed because when I tabbed to the word count it 
stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of that activates the spell 
checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues regarding VO accessing the 
document pane edit field. If others are finding the same, it takes a village to 
get someone to look at the problem and maybe have a chance that it will be 
fixed. JMO. 

Best, 
Eileen  
> On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> 
> You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said.  Smile. I 
> kind a wondered that same thing.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document 
> pane, then you are removing the container where the text is being held. Would 
> that not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, inaccessible?  If 
> one does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you know is in the body 
> of the document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, we’re getting somewhere, 
> if not, then the accessibility of the editable area is non-existent.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you could 
> disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my first 
> message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd think that 
> would make it even worse.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> ----- Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
> 
> 
> How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
> document area at all.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 Mountain 
> Lion
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:
>> 
>> word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
>>> 10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't 
>>> actually tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be of 
>>> much help there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's supposed to 
>>> supposedly be fairly doable.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "mattias" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> any outlook app too?
>>> 
>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
>>>> Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be the 
>>>> direct download to the .PKG file.
>>>> 
>>>> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849
>>>> 
>>>> Best of luck with it!
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - From: "mattias" 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> where do you find the preview?
>>>> 
>>>> Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:
>>>>> Hello List,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. 
>>>>> It would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe 
>>>>> that the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from 
>>>>> voiceover. Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting 
>>>>> to send Microsoft 

Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Tim,

You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said.  Smile. 
I kind a wondered that same thing.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hi,

Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document 
pane, then you are removing the container where the text is being held. 
Would that not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, 
inaccessible?  If one does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you 
know is in the body of the document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, we’re 
getting somewhere, if not, then the accessibility of the editable area is 
non-existent.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you 
could disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my first 
message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd think 
that would make it even worse.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
document area at all.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 Mountain 
Lion


AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT





On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:

word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
:


Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't 
actually tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be of 
much help there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's supposed 
to supposedly be fairly doable.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


any outlook app too?

Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be 
the direct download to the .PKG file.


http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849

Best of luck with it!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:

Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. 
It would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe 
that the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from 
voiceover. Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was 
attempting to send Microsoft some feedback, but when I clicked on the 
feedback tab in Word preferences, there was no method to do this. Has 
anyone figured out the magic steps to get rid of the “Document” pane 
yet? And, does anyone have the contact to send constructive criticism 
to Microsoft?


thanks in advance.

Warmest regards,
Eileen





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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document pane, 
then you are removing the container where the text is being held.  Would that 
not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, inaccessible?  If one 
does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you know is in the body of the 
document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, we’re getting somewhere, if not, 
then the accessibility of the editable area is non-existent.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you could 
disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my first message, 
I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd think that would make 
it even worse.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


 How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
document area at all.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 Mountain 
Lion

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




> On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:
> 
> word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
>> 10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
>> 
>> Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't actually 
>> tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be of much help 
>> there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's supposed to supposedly 
>> be fairly doable.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mattias" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>> 
>> 
>> any outlook app too?
>> 
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
>>> Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be the 
>>> direct download to the .PKG file.
>>> 
>>> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849
>>> 
>>> Best of luck with it!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "mattias" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> where do you find the preview?
>>> 
>>> Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:
>>>> Hello List,
>>>> 
>>>> I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. It 
>>>> would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe that 
>>>> the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from voiceover. 
>>>> Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting to send 
>>>> Microsoft some feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab in Word 
>>>> preferences, there was no method to do this. Has anyone figured out the 
>>>> magic steps to get rid of the “Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have 
>>>> the contact to send constructive criticism to Microsoft?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks in advance.
>>>> 
>>>> Warmest regards,
>>>> Eileen
>>>> 
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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you 
could disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my first 
message, I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd think 
that would make it even worse.


Chris.

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From: "John Panarese" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


  How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
document area at all.



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On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:

word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
:


Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't 
actually tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be of 
much help there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's supposed 
to supposedly be fairly doable.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


any outlook app too?

Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be 
the direct download to the .PKG file.


http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849

Best of luck with it!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:

Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. 
It would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe 
that the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from 
voiceover. Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was 
attempting to send Microsoft some feedback, but when I clicked on the 
feedback tab in Word preferences, there was no method to do this. Has 
anyone figured out the magic steps to get rid of the “Document” pane 
yet? And, does anyone have the contact to send constructive criticism 
to Microsoft?


thanks in advance.

Warmest regards,
Eileen





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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread John Panarese
   How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
document area at all.


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> On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson  wrote:
> 
> word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
>> 10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
>> 
>> Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't actually 
>> tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be of much help 
>> there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's supposed to supposedly 
>> be fairly doable.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message ----- From: "mattias" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>> 
>> 
>> any outlook app too?
>> 
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
>>> Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be the 
>>> direct download to the .PKG file.
>>> 
>>> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849
>>> 
>>> Best of luck with it!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "mattias" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> where do you find the preview?
>>> 
>>> Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:
>>>> Hello List,
>>>> 
>>>> I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. It 
>>>> would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe that 
>>>> the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from voiceover. 
>>>> Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting to send 
>>>> Microsoft some feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab in Word 
>>>> preferences, there was no method to do this. Has anyone figured out the 
>>>> magic steps to get rid of the “Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have 
>>>> the contact to send constructive criticism to Microsoft?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks in advance.
>>>> 
>>>> Warmest regards,
>>>> Eileen
>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread mattias jonsson
word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
> 10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
> 
> Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't actually 
> tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be of much help 
> there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's supposed to supposedly 
> be fairly doable.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "mattias" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
> 
> 
> any outlook app too?
> 
> Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
>> Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be the 
>> direct download to the .PKG file.
>> 
>> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849
>> 
>> Best of luck with it!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message - From: "mattias" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?
>> 
>> 
>> where do you find the preview?
>> 
>> Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:
>>> Hello List,
>>> 
>>> I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. It 
>>> would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe that the 
>>> edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from voiceover. Hence, 
>>> this makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting to send Microsoft 
>>> some feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab in Word preferences, 
>>> there was no method to do this. Has anyone figured out the magic steps to 
>>> get rid of the “Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have the contact to 
>>> send constructive criticism to Microsoft?
>>> 
>>> thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>> 
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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

OK, that's fair.  At least you're telling me straight up.  LOL!  Smile.

I'll give it another try.  NO worries.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "george b" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Don't know

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:48
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

George,

Do you know if that will make the document area correctly read with
Voiceover?  If not, no sweat, I'm just wonderring if it will, as I really
don't see a need to reinstall Office if not.  I'd like to know ahead of
time, if possible.

If so, then definitely! I'll give it another go.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "george b" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Yes open word
Go to the menu on the top and word and down to prefferences and you will
find in there a place to not have word open with the view you are inquireing
about

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mattias
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:28
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:

Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. It
would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe that
the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from voiceover.
Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting to send
Microsoft some feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab in Word
preferences, there was no method to do this. Has anyone figured out the
magic steps to get rid of the “Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have
the contact to send constructive criticism to Microsoft?

thanks in advance.

Warmest regards,
Eileen



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RE: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread george b
Don't know

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:48
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

George,

Do you know if that will make the document area correctly read with 
Voiceover?  If not, no sweat, I'm just wonderring if it will, as I really 
don't see a need to reinstall Office if not.  I'd like to know ahead of 
time, if possible.

If so, then definitely! I'll give it another go.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "george b" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Yes open word
Go to the menu on the top and word and down to prefferences and you will 
find in there a place to not have word open with the view you are inquireing 
about

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mattias
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:28
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:
> Hello List,
>
> I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. It 
> would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe that 
> the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from voiceover. 
> Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting to send 
> Microsoft some feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab in Word 
> preferences, there was no method to do this. Has anyone figured out the 
> magic steps to get rid of the “Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have 
> the contact to send constructive criticism to Microsoft?
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> Warmest regards,
> Eileen
>

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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't actually 
tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be of much help 
there at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's supposed to supposedly 
be fairly doable.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "mattias" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


any outlook app too?

Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be the 
direct download to the .PKG file.


http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849

Best of luck with it!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:

Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. 
It would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe 
that the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from 
voiceover. Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting 
to send Microsoft some feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab 
in Word preferences, there was no method to do this. Has anyone figured 
out the magic steps to get rid of the “Document” pane yet? And, does 
anyone have the contact to send constructive criticism to Microsoft?


thanks in advance.

Warmest regards,
Eileen





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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

George,

Do you know if that will make the document area correctly read with 
Voiceover?  If not, no sweat, I'm just wonderring if it will, as I really 
don't see a need to reinstall Office if not.  I'd like to know ahead of 
time, if possible.


If so, then definitely! I'll give it another go.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "george b" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Yes open word
Go to the menu on the top and word and down to prefferences and you will 
find in there a place to not have word open with the view you are inquireing 
about


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mattias

Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:28
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:

Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. It 
would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe that 
the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from voiceover. 
Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting to send 
Microsoft some feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab in Word 
preferences, there was no method to do this. Has anyone figured out the 
magic steps to get rid of the “Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have 
the contact to send constructive criticism to Microsoft?


thanks in advance.

Warmest regards,
Eileen



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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread mattias

any outlook app too?

Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be 
the direct download to the .PKG file.


http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849

Best of luck with it!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "mattias" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:

Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 
2013. It would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I 
believe that the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it 
from voiceover. Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was 
attempting to send Microsoft some feedback, but when I clicked on the 
feedback tab in Word preferences, there was no method to do this. Has 
anyone figured out the magic steps to get rid of the “Document” pane 
yet? And, does anyone have the contact to send constructive criticism 
to Microsoft?


thanks in advance.

Warmest regards,
Eileen





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RE: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread george b
Yes open word
Go to the menu on the top and word and down to prefferences and you will find 
in there a place to not have word open with the view you are inquireing about

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:28
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Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:
> Hello List,
>
> I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. It 
> would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe that the 
> edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from voiceover. Hence, 
> this makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting to send Microsoft some 
> feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab in Word preferences, there 
> was no method to do this. Has anyone figured out the magic steps to get rid 
> of the “Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have the contact to send 
> constructive criticism to Microsoft?
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> Warmest regards,
> Eileen
>

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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be the 
direct download to the .PKG file.


http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849

Best of luck with it!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "mattias" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:

Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. It 
would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe that 
the edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from voiceover. 
Hence, this makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting to send 
Microsoft some feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab in Word 
preferences, there was no method to do this. Has anyone figured out the 
magic steps to get rid of the “Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have 
the contact to send constructive criticism to Microsoft?


thanks in advance.

Warmest regards,
Eileen



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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread mattias

where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:

Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. It 
would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe that the 
edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from voiceover. Hence, this 
makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting to send Microsoft some 
feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab in Word preferences, there was 
no method to do this. Has anyone figured out the magic steps to get rid of the 
“Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have the contact to send constructive 
criticism to Microsoft?

thanks in advance.

Warmest regards,
Eileen



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Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

2015-03-10 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I'm a bit confused.  If you disable the document payne, wouldn't that then 
make it even more? inaccessible?  You say the edit field is under it.  So, 
if you get rid of it, wouldn't that then make the edit field go bye bye if 
that's the case?  Or by under it, do you mean more under the hood, it's 
coded! under the document payne?


Don't worry.  I'm an extremely advanced Voiceover user, and I also 
definitely do understand very very basic programming concepts, so you can 
speak jargon with me.  Don't worry about the advanced lingo.  You now have 
me very very curious though.  I uninstalled the preview as to me, it looked 
no better than 2011, which is a crying shame!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Eileen Misrahi" 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:29 PM
Subject: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. It 
would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe that the 
edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from voiceover. Hence, 
this makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting to send Microsoft 
some feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab in Word preferences, 
there was no method to do this. Has anyone figured out the magic steps to 
get rid of the “Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have the contact to 
send constructive criticism to Microsoft?


thanks in advance.

Warmest regards,
Eileen

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