Re: Firefox and Bookmarks

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I find it is easy to export from Safari then import into Firefox. 
And very easy to access those bookmarks from the Firefox menu.


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On 12/20/2023 8:54 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Not really as I use both browsers.
Firefox isn’t really good at handling some parts of the web with VoiceOver.
/A


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Hello all,
   For those using Firefox on the Mac, are you using an add-on to sync 
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Re: Firefox and Bookmarks

[Maurice A. Mines]

Hi  Firefox on  my  M2 seems  to be working quite well. In  som  cases it  
works better then Safari. HTH Maurice Mines.

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> On Dec 20, 2023, at 16:54, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Not really as I use both browsers.
> Firefox isn’t really good at handling some parts of the web with VoiceOver.
> /A
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Re: Firefox and Bookmarks

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Not really as I use both browsers.
Firefox isn’t really good at handling some parts of the web with VoiceOver.
/A

> On 20 Dec 2023, at 03:54, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: Firefox and Bookmarks

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   That is not what I am asking about. If one wants to use both 
browsers, one can use an add-on to sync the bookmarks. I just want to 
find out which add-on is accessible as I am sure there may be more than 
one add-on available.


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On 12/19/2023 7:02 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I didn’t. when I first installed firefox it asked me if I wanted to import my 
bookmarks from Safari. I don’t remember the exact process but I do remember 
that it was easy.


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Re: Firefox and Bookmarks

[Lorie McCloud]

I didn’t. when I first installed firefox it asked me if I wanted to import my 
bookmarks from Safari. I don’t remember the exact process but I do remember 
that it was easy.

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Re: Firefox on my Mac

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   You need to go into the Firefox Settings

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On 5/16/2023 1:37 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

you have to have a subscription to get that far. I’ve been trying to figure out 
how to fix the problem in Firefox. I read about it and it seems I’m looking for 
a category called Permissions which I haven’t found yet.


On May 16, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Is it a site we pantry to see if we can help you out?
Bless.
/A


16 maj 2023 kl. 21:13 skrev Lorie McCloud :

I can’t even sign in there on Safari. I guess I’ll have to keep fooling around 
with Firefox.


On May 16, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:

You could try Safari and see if it works. Not sure if Firefox has this, but in 
Safari, there is an option for settings for the site, and you can do things 
like tell it to always allow pop ups.


On May 16, 2023, at 12:27, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

While on the Coast to Coast am. website I tried to play something and Firefox 
prevented the window from popping up. how do I change this? I did look in 
preferences and settings but I couldn’t find anything that seemed to be related 
to it.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Firefox on my Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

you have to have a subscription to get that far. I’ve been trying to figure out 
how to fix the problem in Firefox. I read about it and it seems I’m looking for 
a category called Permissions which I haven’t found yet.

> On May 16, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Is it a site we pantry to see if we can help you out?
> Bless.
> /A
> 
>> 16 maj 2023 kl. 21:13 skrev Lorie McCloud :
>> 
>> I can’t even sign in there on Safari. I guess I’ll have to keep fooling 
>> around with Firefox.
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You could try Safari and see if it works. Not sure if Firefox has this, but 
>>> in Safari, there is an option for settings for the site, and you can do 
>>> things like tell it to always allow pop ups.
>>> 
 On May 16, 2023, at 12:27, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 While on the Coast to Coast am. website I tried to play something and 
 Firefox prevented the window from popping up. how do I change this? I did 
 look in preferences and settings but I couldn’t find anything that seemed 
 to be related to it.
 
 thanks.
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Re: Firefox on my Mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Is it a site we pantry to see if we can help you out?
Bless.
/A

> 16 maj 2023 kl. 21:13 skrev Lorie McCloud :
> 
> I can’t even sign in there on Safari. I guess I’ll have to keep fooling 
> around with Firefox.
> 
>> On May 16, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> You could try Safari and see if it works. Not sure if Firefox has this, but 
>> in Safari, there is an option for settings for the site, and you can do 
>> things like tell it to always allow pop ups.
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2023, at 12:27, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> While on the Coast to Coast am. website I tried to play something and 
>>> Firefox prevented the window from popping up. how do I change this? I did 
>>> look in preferences and settings but I couldn’t find anything that seemed 
>>> to be related to it.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Firefox on my Mac

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I can’t even sign in there on Safari. I guess I’ll have to keep fooling around 
with Firefox.

> On May 16, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> You could try Safari and see if it works. Not sure if Firefox has this, but 
> in Safari, there is an option for settings for the site, and you can do 
> things like tell it to always allow pop ups.
> 
>> On May 16, 2023, at 12:27, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>> While on the Coast to Coast am. website I tried to play something and 
>> Firefox prevented the window from popping up. how do I change this? I did 
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Re: Firefox on my Mac

[Herbie Allen]

You could try Safari and see if it works. Not sure if Firefox has this, but in 
Safari, there is an option for settings for the site, and you can do things 
like tell it to always allow pop ups.

> On May 16, 2023, at 12:27, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> prevented the window from popping up. how do I change this? I did look in 
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Re: firefox on Mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
If you stop interact when you’ve entered the password and logged in,  an you se 
a save button then?
Bless.
/A

> 24 apr. 2023 kl. 21:18 skrev Lorie McCloud :
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> Is there a way to save passwords in firefox? sometimes a message pops up 
> about it but it goes away before I can do anything.
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Re: firefox on Mac

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   Did you look in settings? Privacy and Security.

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On 4/24/2023 12:18 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

Is there a way to save passwords in firefox? sometimes a message pops up about 
it but it goes away before I can do anything.

thanks.
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Re: Firefox on my Mac

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Sounds like the item on your Desktop was the volume icon.
I suspect that you did not hear VoiceOver say Volume, because you have not gone 
into your Finder preferences > Advanced, and enabled the toggle to show file 
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On Feb 20, 2023, at 16:12, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

vo didn’t say volume but I pressed command e anyway and it went away.

> On Feb 20, 2023, at 3:31 PM, Bradford Snyder  > wrote:
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> Hi Lori
> 
> The Firefox installer you downloaded is a DMG.  When you open a DMG, you end 
> up with a volume icon on your Desktop.
> When you place focus on the item on your Desktop, if you hear VoiceOver say 
> “Firefox Volume”, you can remove it by pressing CMD + E.
> If you do not hear VoiceOver say “Firefox Volume”, please let me know, and I 
> can advise further.
> 
> HTH.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 20, 2023, at 13:43, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> Firefox is on my desktop along with my drives ever since I installed it. can 
> I delete it or is it supposed to be there. if I can delete it, how?
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Re: Firefox on my Mac

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   If the extension is .app then its good. If its .dmg it is not installed.

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On 2/20/2023 2:10 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

well, if I did that, I didn’t do it intentionally. I actually moved the 
installer to the apps folder.


On Feb 20, 2023, at 4:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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   If this is in fact a volume it will open on Computer, not the desktop. 
Chances are its the installer that was downloaded to the desktop.

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On 2/20/2023 1:31 PM, Bradford Snyder wrote:

Hi Lori
The Firefox installer you downloaded is a DMG.  When you open a DMG, you end up 
with a volume icon on your Desktop.
When you place focus on the item on your Desktop, if you hear VoiceOver say 
“Firefox Volume”, you can remove it by pressing CMD + E.
If you do not hear VoiceOver say “Firefox Volume”, please let me know, and I 
can advise further.
HTH.
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On Feb 20, 2023, at 13:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
Firefox is on my desktop along with my drives ever since I installed it. can I 
delete it or is it supposed to be there. if I can delete it, how?
thanks.
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Re: Firefox on my Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

vo didn’t say volume but I pressed command e anyway and it went away.

> On Feb 20, 2023, at 3:31 PM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
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> Hi Lori
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> The Firefox installer you downloaded is a DMG.  When you open a DMG, you end 
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> When you place focus on the item on your Desktop, if you hear VoiceOver say 
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> can advise further.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 20, 2023, at 13:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> Firefox is on my desktop along with my drives ever since I installed it. can 
> I delete it or is it supposed to be there. if I can delete it, how?
> 
> thanks.
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Re: Firefox on my Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

well, if I did that, I didn’t do it intentionally. I actually moved the 
installer to the apps folder.

> On Feb 20, 2023, at 4:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Chances are its the installer that was downloaded to the desktop.
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>> Hi Lori
>> The Firefox installer you downloaded is a DMG.  When you open a DMG, you end 
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>> can advise further.
>> HTH.
>> - Brad -
>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 13:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> Firefox is on my desktop along with my drives ever since I installed it. can 
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Re: Firefox on my Mac

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   If this is in fact a volume it will open on Computer, not the 
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On 2/20/2023 1:31 PM, Bradford Snyder wrote:

Hi Lori

The Firefox installer you downloaded is a DMG.  When you open a DMG, you 
end up with a volume icon on your Desktop.
When you place focus on the item on your Desktop, if you hear VoiceOver 
say “Firefox Volume”, you can remove it by pressing CMD + E.
If you do not hear VoiceOver say “Firefox Volume”, please let me know, 
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Firefox is on my desktop along with my drives ever since I installed it. 
can I delete it or is it supposed to be there. if I can delete it, how?


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Re: Firefox on my Mac

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Hi Lori

The Firefox installer you downloaded is a DMG.  When you open a DMG, you end up 
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Firefox is on my desktop along with my drives ever since I installed it. can I 
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Re: Firefox on my Mac

[maurice A. Mines]

Good afternoon, if you're talking about your Mac you can move the 
program from applications to the trash. If you have to clear it your 
system will ask you to enter your password or use touch ID if you have a 
machine that has a touch bar. I hope this helps?



Sincerely Maurice Mines.


Please be aware, that I am dictating this to a virtual Windows machine. 
I hope this turns out ok?



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Firefox is on my desktop along with my drives ever since I installed it. can I 
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Re: Firefox accessibility team.

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On 2/12/2023 7:19 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
Yes,I have communicated with them on the A11Y Slack instance. One of the 
original NVDA developers now works on accessibility for the Mac. But 
your best bet is to open a case in the Firefox bugzilla site.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/home 
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Hi!
Is there such a beast as an accessibility team for firefox?
I am very very happy with the browser most of the time but I have 
glitches I think the ff team should know.

Thanks.
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Re: Firefox accessibility team.

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Hi!
Bless you Jonathan.
Will do that.
/A

> 12 feb. 2023 kl. 16:19 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
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> Yes,I have communicated with them on the A11Y Slack instance. One of the 
> original NVDA developers now works on accessibility for the Mac. But your 
> best bet is to open a case in the Firefox bugzilla site.
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/home
>   Best wishes,
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> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Is there such a beast as an accessibility team for firefox?
>> I am very very happy with the browser most of the time but I have glitches I 
>> think the ff team should know.
>> Thanks.
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Re: Firefox accessibility team.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Yes,I have communicated with them on the A11Y Slack instance. One of the 
original NVDA developers now works on accessibility for the Mac. But your best 
bet is to open a case in the Firefox bugzilla site.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/home
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> Is there such a beast as an accessibility team for firefox?
> I am very very happy with the browser most of the time but I have glitches I 
> think the ff team should know.
> Thanks.
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Re: Firefox accessibility team.

[Michael Marshall]

The nightly builds on the Mac especially a very good.

> On 10 Feb 2023, at 4:27 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> I am very very happy with the browser most of the time but I have glitches I 
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Re: Firefox accessibility team.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Oh dear I am tired today.
I will do that.
Thanks.
/A

> 9 feb. 2023 kl. 18:59 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Anders,
>   Did you look on the Help menu? Or go to the Mozilla wen site? I may take a 
> shot at the Mac version one of these days. Been using FF on Windows.
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>> Hi!
>> Is there such a beast as an accessibility team for firefox?
>> I am very very happy with the browser most of the time but I have glitches I 
>> think the ff team should know.
>> Thanks.
>> /A
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Re: Firefox accessibility team.

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Anders,
   Did you look on the Help menu? Or go to the Mozilla wen site? I may 
take a shot at the Mac version one of these days. Been using FF on Windows.


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On 2/9/2023 9:27 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Is there such a beast as an accessibility team for firefox?
I am very very happy with the browser most of the time but I have glitches I 
think the ff team should know.
Thanks.
/A



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RE: Firefox updates.

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I agree, and I'm glad Mozilla developers are working on it. Firefox is very 
accessible under Linux and Windows - I've used both. I haven't downloaded the 
Mac OS version yet.

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Subject: Re: Firefox updates.

The voiceover support in Firefox is coming along nicely. There are still a few 
gaps with how it works but it's definitely useable. And certainly having 
another accessible browser on the mac is a good thing.

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:38 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> A couple folks have asked me about why use firefox. I was going to grab some 
> information I had received in a different channel about Firefox and VoiceOver 
> support, but have not had a chance. Perhaps over the weekend, that will be 
> possible.
> but in terms of Safari vs Firefox I believe that Firefox more closely follows 
> the updates to  web standards. There are a couple places where the 
> accessibility development community has had to say you can't use this 
> technique if you plan to support VoiceOver on Macintosh. Hopefully, with 
> Firefox we can get more sites that we can access. Also, you might want to 
> reserve your banking activities to a browser different from news and 
> entertainment. Perhaps on  Youtube you have an extension that allows you to 
> downloads movies but you did not pay for the extension, so it is probably 
> getting paid by looking at your browsing habits and sharing that with 
> advertisers. Better to have a Browser free of such stuff for your money.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
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Re: Firefox updates.

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  On the Mac, you can change the default web browser in System Preferences in 
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> On Dec 20, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> The only problem is that Safari always wants to load.  I have edge on my IOS 
> but safari will load if you press a web link.  So how can you get a browser 
> to load and you don’t want to use safari?
> 
>> On 19 Dec 2020, at 14:27, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> The voiceover support in Firefox is coming along nicely. There are still a 
>> few gaps with how it works but it's definitely useable. And certainly having 
>> another accessible browser on the mac is a good thing.
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:38 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A couple folks have asked me about why use firefox. I was going to grab 
>>> some information I had received in a different channel about Firefox and 
>>> VoiceOver support, but have not had a chance. Perhaps over the weekend, 
>>> that will be possible.
>>> but in terms of Safari vs Firefox I believe that Firefox more closely 
>>> follows the updates to  web standards. There are a couple places where the 
>>> accessibility development community has had to say you can't use this 
>>> technique if you plan to support VoiceOver on Macintosh. Hopefully, with 
>>> Firefox we can get more sites that we can access. Also, you might want to 
>>> reserve your banking activities to a browser different from news and 
>>> entertainment. Perhaps on  Youtube you have an extension that allows you to 
>>> downloads movies but you did not pay for the extension, so it is probably 
>>> getting paid by looking at your browsing habits and sharing that with 
>>> advertisers. Better to have a Browser free of such stuff for your money.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Firefox updates.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

The only problem is that Safari always wants to load.  I have edge on my IOS 
but safari will load if you press a web link.  So how can you get a browser to 
load and you don’t want to use safari?

> On 19 Dec 2020, at 14:27, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> The voiceover support in Firefox is coming along nicely. There are still a 
> few gaps with how it works but it's definitely useable. And certainly having 
> another accessible browser on the mac is a good thing.
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:38 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> A couple folks have asked me about why use firefox. I was going to grab some 
>> information I had received in a different channel about Firefox and 
>> VoiceOver support, but have not had a chance. Perhaps over the weekend, that 
>> will be possible.
>> but in terms of Safari vs Firefox I believe that Firefox more closely 
>> follows the updates to  web standards. There are a couple places where the 
>> accessibility development community has had to say you can't use this 
>> technique if you plan to support VoiceOver on Macintosh. Hopefully, with 
>> Firefox we can get more sites that we can access. Also, you might want to 
>> reserve your banking activities to a browser different from news and 
>> entertainment. Perhaps on  Youtube you have an extension that allows you to 
>> downloads movies but you did not pay for the extension, so it is probably 
>> getting paid by looking at your browsing habits and sharing that with 
>> advertisers. Better to have a Browser free of such stuff for your money.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
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Re: Firefox updates.

[Mike Arrigo]

The voiceover support in Firefox is coming along nicely. There are still a few 
gaps with how it works but it's definitely useable. And certainly having 
another accessible browser on the mac is a good thing.

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:38 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> A couple folks have asked me about why use firefox. I was going to grab some 
> information I had received in a different channel about Firefox and VoiceOver 
> support, but have not had a chance. Perhaps over the weekend, that will be 
> possible.
> but in terms of Safari vs Firefox I believe that Firefox more closely follows 
> the updates to  web standards. There are a couple places where the 
> accessibility development community has had to say you can't use this 
> technique if you plan to support VoiceOver on Macintosh. Hopefully, with 
> Firefox we can get more sites that we can access. Also, you might want to 
> reserve your banking activities to a browser different from news and 
> entertainment. Perhaps on  Youtube you have an extension that allows you to 
> downloads movies but you did not pay for the extension, so it is probably 
> getting paid by looking at your browsing habits and sharing that with 
> advertisers. Better to have a Browser free of such stuff for your money.
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>   Best wishes,
> 
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Re: Firefox updates.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Interesting idea to have one browser for entertainment, and another for 
banking. I'll mull that over. Thanks, as always, John.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:38 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> A couple folks have asked me about why use firefox. I was going to grab some 
> information I had received in a different channel about Firefox and VoiceOver 
> support, but have not had a chance. Perhaps over the weekend, that will be 
> possible.
> but in terms of Safari vs Firefox I believe that Firefox more closely follows 
> the updates to  web standards. There are a couple places where the 
> accessibility development community has had to say you can't use this 
> technique if you plan to support VoiceOver on Macintosh. Hopefully, with 
> Firefox we can get more sites that we can access. Also, you might want to 
> reserve your banking activities to a browser different from news and 
> entertainment. Perhaps on  Youtube you have an extension that allows you to 
> downloads movies but you did not pay for the extension, so it is probably 
> getting paid by looking at your browsing habits and sharing that with 
> advertisers. Better to have a Browser free of such stuff for your money.
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>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

[Jonathan Cohn]

OK, some step forward and some back.
1. Firefox 78 current version does not seem to support 
• Read Current character, word, sesentence, or line.
• The rotar still does not work.
• item list might work, NY TImes home page brought up about 90 items.
• Navigation commands to specific heading levels, font change, underlined text, 
bold text did not work.

Even more discouraging, Firefox nightly 80 currently is back to only reading 
where focus is, the rest of the web page is completely invisible to VoiceOVer.
Jonathan


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> At this time voiceover just says there are no menu options available for each 
> category, I think that support will be coming later this year.
> Original message:
>> SO DOES THE ROTOR BRING UP NOTHING IN ANY CATEGORY, OR NOTHING AT all or is 
>> every list in it blank? Also, is this the production or beta?
> 
>> Best wishes,
> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Angus MacKinnon > > wrote:
> 
>> I have found Firefox to work better with VoiceOver (VO). However, VO + I 
>> brings up a small list of Items (about 37 items). VO + U has nothing but a 
>> blank window.
> 
>> Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
>> Ghandi said, “ It is better to have a heart without words than words without 
>> a heart.”
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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

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> On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:50 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I just downloaded Firefox 78 which will become the next ESR version of 
> Firefox and hopefully I can see these rotors in action there. It would be 
> disappointing if the ESR version gets stuck with only partial VoiceOver 
> support as enterprises will be using it for at least a year forward.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Mike Arrigo > > wrote:
>> 
>> At this time voiceover just says there are no menu options available for 
>> each category, I think that support will be coming later this year.
>> Original message:
>>> SO DOES THE ROTOR BRING UP NOTHING IN ANY CATEGORY, OR NOTHING AT all or is 
>>> every list in it blank? Also, is this the production or beta?
>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

[Jonathan Cohn]

I just downloaded Firefox 78 which will become the next ESR version of Firefox 
and hopefully I can see these rotors in action there. It would be disappointing 
if the ESR version gets stuck with only partial VoiceOver support as 
enterprises will be using it for at least a year forward.

Best wishes,

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> On Jul 2, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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> At this time voiceover just says there are no menu options available for each 
> category, I think that support will be coming later this year.
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>> SO DOES THE ROTOR BRING UP NOTHING IN ANY CATEGORY, OR NOTHING AT all or is 
>> every list in it blank? Also, is this the production or beta?
> 
>> Best wishes,
> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

[Mike Arrigo]

At this time voiceover just says there are no menu options available 
for each category, I think that support will be coming later this year.

Original message:
SO DOES THE ROTOR BRING UP NOTHING IN ANY CATEGORY, OR NOTHING AT all 
or is every list in it blank? Also, is this the production or beta?



Best wishes,



Jonathan Cohn






On Jul 1, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Angus MacKinnon > wrote:


I have found Firefox to work better with VoiceOver (VO). However, VO + 
I brings up a small list of Items (about 37 items). VO + U has nothing 
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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

[Jonathan Cohn]

SO DOES THE ROTOR BRING UP NOTHING IN ANY CATEGORY, OR NOTHING AT all or is 
every list in it blank? Also, is this the production or beta?
 
Best wishes, 

Jonathan Cohn



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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

[Angus MacKinnon]

I have found Firefox to work better with VoiceOver (VO). However, VO + I brings 
up a small list of Items (about 37 items). VO + U has nothing but a blank 
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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

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On 6/28/2020 11:37 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
I just downloaded Firefox 77 and Firefox 79 nightly on my system, and 
they have indeed made significant strides in interacting with VoiceOver. 
I only had a chance to review two or three sites. Sometimes, voiceOver 
would say unknown button, but if I moved forward and back it could then 
read the label for the button. I did not look at any advanced sites that 
use lots of JavaScript and have to manage focus, but first impressions 
were that this is something worth looking into.


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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

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 It is working much better than before. It’s a lot snappier and is, to me, 
quite usable now.


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> On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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> Nice, please try some more sites when you can and keep us posted, it would be 
> awesome if firefox became as accessible on the mac as it is on Windows.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
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>> have indeed made significant strides in interacting with VoiceOver. I only 
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>> for the button. I did not look at any advanced sites that use lots of 
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>>  Best wishes,
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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

[Mike Arrigo]

Nice, please try some more sites when you can and keep us posted, it would be 
awesome if firefox became as accessible on the mac as it is on Windows.

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

[Michael Marshall]

This is very encouraging.
I hope they continue to work at this because it would be always nice to have 
another browser option.


> On 29 Jun 2020, at 4:37 am, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I just downloaded Firefox 77 and Firefox 79 nightly on my system, and they 
> have indeed made significant strides in interacting with VoiceOver. I only 
> had a chance to review two or three sites. Sometimes, voiceOver would say 
> unknown button, but if I moved forward and back it could then read the label 
> for the button. I did not look at any advanced sites that use lots of 
> JavaScript and have to manage focus, but first impressions were that this is 
> something worth looking into. 
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Re: Firefox

[Rachel Phillips]

what happens when you type about:config?
I noticed the help->troubleshoot has crashed for me since version 50. use 
about:system instead, makea bookmark

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Re: Firefox

[Mike Arrigo]

The last time I tried firefox was a few months ago and it was very sluggish to 
the point that it was not a good experience at all. The best browsers on the 
mac are Safari and Chrome.

> On May 6, 2020, at 1:58 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   It should work similar to Safari. You interact with the web content area. 
> The thing is that as far as I have found, Firefox can be very sluggish with 
> VoiceOver with delays up to a few seconds before VO commands are acted upon. 
> They were doing a great job making VO work with FF, but this effort, to me, 
> has seemed to have paused.
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>> How does a VO user get into firefox 76.x’s Advanced menu using 10.15.4 on an 
>> iMac? Thank you.
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Re: Firefox

[John Panarese]

  It should work similar to Safari. You interact with the web content area. The 
thing is that as far as I have found, Firefox can be very sluggish with 
VoiceOver with delays up to a few seconds before VO commands are acted upon. 
They were doing a great job making VO work with FF, but this effort, to me, has 
seemed to have paused.


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> On May 6, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
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RE: Firefox Web Browser

[Simon A Fogarty]

Oh and the best way around this issue is to forget firefox and use chrome.

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Angus,
Is Firefox now accessible? Last time I tried it, it was not. If Mozilla has 
made it accessible, they are the ones who need your feedback so they can fix it.

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On 9/12/2019 10:08 AM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:
> When I go to the Address Bar in Firefox and start typeing, I get no 
> Verbal feed back from VoiceOver. Is their a reason for VoiceOver not 
> to speak in Firefox’s Address Bar although VoiceOvver is set to 
> Character and word? Can this no reading be fixed? My iMac has Mojave 
> and
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RE: Firefox Web Browser

[Simon A Fogarty]

I was under the impression that firefox was still a no go on the accessibility 
front for mac os / voiceover.

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Angus,
Is Firefox now accessible? Last time I tried it, it was not. If Mozilla has 
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> When I go to the Address Bar in Firefox and start typeing, I get no 
> Verbal feed back from VoiceOver. Is their a reason for VoiceOver not 
> to speak in Firefox’s Address Bar although VoiceOvver is set to 
> Character and word? Can this no reading be fixed? My iMac has Mojave 
> and
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Re: Firefox Web Browser

[Jonathan Cohn]

According to a slack channel I am on, it will be at least a year before there 
is any VoiceOver support in Macintosh Firefox. It broke when the moved to the 
new multi-processor engine in Firefox 56. James They formally of NVDA is 
apparently the director of Firefox accessibility
.

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>> Firefox’s Address Bar although VoiceOvver is set to Character and word? Can 
>> this no reading be fixed? My iMac has Mojave and Firefox69.0 (64 Bit).
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Re: Firefox Web Browser

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Angus,
   Is Firefox now accessible? Last time I tried it, it was not. If 
Mozilla has made it accessible, they are the ones who need your feedback 
so they can fix it.


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When I go to the Address Bar in Firefox and start typeing, I get no 
Verbal feed back from VoiceOver. Is their a reason for VoiceOver not to 
speak in Firefox’s Address Bar although VoiceOvver is set to Character 
and word? Can this no reading be fixed? My iMac has Mojave and 
Firefox69.0 (64 Bit).


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Re: Firefox Web Browser

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

That would need to be addressed with the Firefox developers.  It is not a MacOS 
issue.

Best.


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On Sep 12, 2019, at 11:08, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:

When I go to the Address Bar in Firefox and start typeing, I get no Verbal feed 
back from VoiceOver. Is their a reason for VoiceOver not to speak in Firefox’s 
Address Bar although VoiceOvver is set to Character and word? Can this no 
reading be fixed? My iMac has Mojave and Firefox69.0 (64 Bit).

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Re: Firefox

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

Thanks.  At one time I did a search but these didn’t come up.  I tried the 
first one this morning and it does what I want with no fuss.  It would be nice 
to be able to go beyond Youtube but most of what I need does come from there.

> On Feb 18, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Moop Curran  > wrote:
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> Hi, 
> How about Softorino video converter or media human youtube converter. I'm 
> sorry, I don't hav a web address for those two apps, just google them. The 
> softorino one is about $20 U.S. and the media human one is free, it has a 
> paid option, but it's not necessary. And with the softorino one, you get 
> either a week demo or a 2-week demo, I can't remember offhand. 
> I hope this helps. 
> Moop 
> 
> Moop
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> On Feb 14, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  > wrote:
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>> It worked until sometime in the last couple of months I would say.  It was 
>> never very good, but I could use it for the few instances I needed it.  No 
>> longer.  Anyone have a good solution for downloading Youtube or other 
>> videos?  I did find a program but it isn’t very accessible.
>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Michael Marshall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> as far as i know and on the few times i have tried, firefox does not work 
>>> at all with VO on the mac.
>>> i speek to someone from the accessibility team occasionally who told me 
>>> that Mozilla has not employ anyone with accessibility know-how with macs.
 On 15 Feb 2017, at 4:52 am, Larry Thacker Jr. > wrote:
 
 I use firefox basically for one plugin I need on occasion and as a 
 fall-back when something doesn’t work in Safari.  However, lately I can’t 
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Re: Firefox

[Moop Curran]

Hi, 
How about Softorino video converter or media human youtube converter. I'm 
sorry, I don't hav a web address for those two apps, just google them. The 
softorino one is about $20 U.S. and the media human one is free, it has a paid 
option, but it's not necessary. And with the softorino one, you get either a 
week demo or a 2-week demo, I can't remember offhand. 
I hope this helps. 
Moop 

Moop

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> It worked until sometime in the last couple of months I would say.  It was 
> never very good, but I could use it for the few instances I needed it.  No 
> longer.  Anyone have a good solution for downloading Youtube or other videos? 
>  I did find a program but it isn’t very accessible.
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>> as far as i know and on the few times i have tried, firefox does not work at 
>> all with VO on the mac.
>> i speek to someone from the accessibility team occasionally who told me that 
>> Mozilla has not employ anyone with accessibility know-how with macs.
>>> On 15 Feb 2017, at 4:52 am, Larry Thacker Jr.  
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>>> I use firefox basically for one plugin I need on occasion and as a 
>>> fall-back when something doesn’t work in Safari.  However, lately I can’t 
>>> get Voiceover to go into the web content in Firefox.  Can’t say if Apple or 
>>> Mozilla broke it.  Anyone else see this and have a way around it?
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Re: Firefox

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

It worked until sometime in the last couple of months I would say.  It was 
never very good, but I could use it for the few instances I needed it.  No 
longer.  Anyone have a good solution for downloading Youtube or other videos?  
I did find a program but it isn’t very accessible.

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> as far as i know and on the few times i have tried, firefox does not work at 
> all with VO on the mac.
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> Mozilla has not employ anyone with accessibility know-how with macs.
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>> I use firefox basically for one plugin I need on occasion and as a fall-back 
>> when something doesn’t work in Safari.  However, lately I can’t get 
>> Voiceover to go into the web content in Firefox.  Can’t say if Apple or 
>> Mozilla broke it.  Anyone else see this and have a way around it?
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Re: Firefox

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Certain later versions of Firefox do have quite good accessibility.  It is not 
unable like it was five years ago.  I've not used the latest version though so 
cannot comment on whether accessibility has been broken.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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as far as i know and on the few times i have tried, firefox does not work at 
all with VO on the mac.
i speek to someone from the accessibility team occasionally who told me that 
Mozilla has not employ anyone with accessibility know-how with macs.
> On 15 Feb 2017, at 4:52 am, Larry Thacker Jr.  
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Re: Firefox

[Michael Marshall]

as far as i know and on the few times i have tried, firefox does not work at 
all with VO on the mac.
i speek to someone from the accessibility team occasionally who told me that 
Mozilla has not employ anyone with accessibility know-how with macs.
> On 15 Feb 2017, at 4:52 am, Larry Thacker Jr.  
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> I use firefox basically for one plugin I need on occasion and as a fall-back 
> when something doesn’t work in Safari.  However, lately I can’t get Voiceover 
> to go into the web content in Firefox.  Can’t say if Apple or Mozilla broke 
> it.  Anyone else see this and have a way around it?
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Re: firefox on the mac

[Jessica Moss]

Has anyone had any luck with webvisum on the mac?  I tried a while back when it 
was more accessible to use it, and checked all the checkboxes someone on here 
recommended, which I unfortunately can't remember what those are now, sense 
it's been ages, and nothing would stick.
  they always kept unchecking again, so never could get them to stay the way I 
left them, so it never would work for me, and couldn't get rumola to autofill 
the captcha on a particular site that I go to for my job, so have to use my PC 
to go there, which I don't want to have to keep doing.
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 That's what I figured.
 
 
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   To some extent, yes. It depends on the site, but I have not noticed a 
 serious improvement to the responsiveness of FF and VoiceOver recently.
 
 
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 Short answer is yes.  At least it did back in Mavericks and I don’t see why 
 it would be broken.  It’s not perfect but it is usable.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
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Re: firefox on the mac

[John Panarese]

   To some extent, yes. It depends on the site, but I have not noticed a 
serious improvement to the responsiveness of FF and VoiceOver recently.


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 Short answer is yes.  At least it did back in Mavericks and I don’t see why 
 it would be broken.  It’s not perfect but it is usable.
 
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RE: firefox on the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That's what I figured.


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   To some extent, yes. It depends on the site, but I have not noticed a 
serious improvement to the responsiveness of FF and VoiceOver recently.


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 Hi,
 
 Short answer is yes.  At least it did back in Mavericks and I don’t see why 
 it would be broken.  It’s not perfect but it is usable.
 
 Later...
 
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Re: firefox on the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Do you still get the busy busy busy thing like before?

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  Subject: Re: firefox on the mac


  Hi,


  Short answer is yes.  At least it did back in Mavericks and I don’t see why 
it would be broken.  It’s not perfect but it is usable.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


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  Is firefox usable on the mac?

  Best,

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Re: firefox on the mac

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Hi,

Short answer is yes.  At least it did back in Mavericks and I don’t see why it 
would be broken.  It’s not perfect but it is usable.

Later...

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Re: firefox

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
Firefox does indeed exist for the Mac however the accessibility is zero. 
Voice-over cannot access menus nor does it even tell you there is a window. I 
spoke to a developer from the Firefox accessibility department who told me that 
Windows was its main focus in terms of accessibility. Google Chrome is an 
option however, under the latest Mac operating system accessibility has 
declined significantly.
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Re: firefox

[Lorie McCloud]

well, looks like it's safari for me then. thanks.

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hey,
Firefox does indeed exist for the Mac however the accessibility is zero. 
Voice-over cannot access menus nor does it even tell you there is a window. I 
spoke to a developer from the Firefox accessibility department who told me that 
Windows was its main focus in terms of accessibility. Google Chrome is an 
option however, under the latest Mac operating system accessibility has 
declined significantly.
Michael

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Re: firefox

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Yes. But I believe it is not accessible. I use Safari and only that personally.



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Re: firefox accessibility?

[Chris Blouch]

You can root around in the archives but the short version is that for 
many years the Mozilla team only supported the iAccessible2 API which is 
not available on the Mac since nobody has bothered porting it. Most Mac 
developers wouldn't bother with such a porting effort as the existing 
Apple API works just fine. Recently some folks have started working on 
adding support for the Apple accessibility API which is available in 
Firefox nightly builds. Last I heard it was kind of working but not 
ready for prime time. You can try it out yourself by downloading the 
nightly build. Here is the announcement from last year:


http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/04/30/initial-voiceover-support-now-in-firefox-nightly-builds-for-mac-os-x/

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On 9/11/13 7:36 PM, eric oyen wrote:

hello everyone,

I decided to download and see if the new firefox for OS X is accessible. Guess 
what, the app opens, but no windows and no access to its menus. I am already 
frustrated with chrome (and their method of presenting accessibility) and 
Safari seems to work fine on some pages and not on others.

so, does anyone have a work around to the firefox issue?

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Re: Firefox 3.1 beta worse than useless

[Chris Blouch]

Did you mean version 23? 3.1 would be an ancient version.

CB

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Hi,

Subject line pretty much says it all.  My experience with Firefox Beta version 
3.1 indicates a huge step backward in accessibility.  Cannot do anything with 
it what so ever.  Total desaster.


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Re: Firefox 3.1 beta worse than useless

[Ray Foret jr]

I didn't think of that.  Ah, so , that then explains the desaster.  So, what is 
the latest Firefox beta then?  The latest stable version is apparently version 
2.3.  It's not very navigable with

www.sodastreamusa.com


Everything is all in groups and you can't select hardly anytying.


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 Did you mean version 23? 3.1 would be an ancient version.
 
 CB
 
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 Subject line pretty much says it all.  My experience with Firefox Beta 
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 anything with it what so ever.  Total desaster.
 
 
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Re: Firefox 3.1 beta worse than useless

[Chris Blouch]

Latest version should be here:

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/beta/

which should be version 23.0b1

CB

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I didn't think of that.  Ah, so , that then explains the desaster.  So, what is 
the latest Firefox beta then?  The latest stable version is apparently version 
2.3.  It's not very navigable with

www.sodastreamusa.com


Everything is all in groups and you can't select hardly anytying.


Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!
Sincerely,
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Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:


Did you mean version 23? 3.1 would be an ancient version.

CB

On 8/6/13 6:56 PM, Ray Foret jr wrote:

Hi,

Subject line pretty much says it all.  My experience with Firefox Beta version 
3.1 indicates a huge step backward in accessibility.  Cannot do anything with 
it what so ever.  Total desaster.


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built-in!
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Re: Firefox any better yet?

[Mike Arrigo]

It's useable, but does not provide the information as cleanly as safari 
or chrome does yet.

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Okay,


Just wondering if anybody out there is using the latest stable Firefox 
and if it's any better than it was accessibility wise.  Ready for prime 
time yet?



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Re: Firefox any better yet?

[Devin Prater]

Well I was able to at least install chatzilla, hoping to finally get a good irc 
client for the mac, but not much was accessible.

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 It's useable, but does not provide the information as cleanly as safari or 
 chrome does yet.
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Re: firefox

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What's the issue with typing into certain text areas?  You got me really 
curious.


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Subject: Re: firefox


You can find it under betas on the Mozilla website. The current version is 
version 19. It seems to work very well. The only issue is when typing into 
certain text entry fields. But speed is greatly increased. You can also sign 
up for the beta newsletter on the same website. Hope this helps.Sincerely 
Maurice mines secretary national Federation of the blind of Washington Clark 
County chapter. Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
On Feb 24, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Where can you find the latest version for the Mac?
On Feb 24, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:

Ray asked about whether firefox is ready for prime time but it was asked 
under the webvisum thread. This really doesn't belong in the webvisum 
thread as it's going to be confusing for anybody trying to find 
information about webvisum. As for prime time which I believe was Ray's 
question, thatdepends on whose prime time. I use it but i haven't made 
it my default browser. It definitely can be used but probably takes more 
experience than safari to know what to do.


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Re: firefox

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

ok, but it mightn ot be the latest beta nightly build which fixes a lot of 
possible speed and more issues.  I'm still very curious what was meant by 
certain edit fields having issues.  Can someone be a bit more specific?


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From: Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: firefox


V 19.10 is o the main FF page for Mac.
On Feb 25, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Maurice Mines maurice.mi...@gmail.com wrote:

You can find it under betas on the Mozilla website. The current version is 
version 19. It seems to work very well. The only issue is when typing into 
certain text entry fields. But speed is greatly increased. You can also 
sign up for the beta newsletter on the same website. Hope this 
helps.Sincerely Maurice mines secretary national Federation of the blind 
of Washington Clark County chapter. Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
On Feb 24, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
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Where can you find the latest version for the Mac?
On Feb 24, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:

Ray asked about whether firefox is ready for prime time but it was asked 
under the webvisum thread. This really doesn't belong in the webvisum 
thread as it's going to be confusing for anybody trying to find 
information about webvisum. As for prime time which I believe was 
Ray's question, thatdepends on whose prime time. I use it but i 
haven't made it my default browser. It definitely can be used but 
probably takes more experience than safari to know what to do.


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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Nicholas Parsons]

I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm curious, 
does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver better than 
Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though slightly slower, 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Mauricio Almeida]

in case webvisum works it definitely is worth it especially because its free.
i will keep using safari but have firefox as backup.
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 does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver better than 
 Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though slightly slower, 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Chris Gilland]

You know?  I never even thought about Web visum.

Let me try it, and will let you know.  I just hope I remember my log in!  LOL!

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 in case webvisum works it definitely is worth it especially because its free.
 i will keep using safari but have firefox as backup.
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm curious, 
 does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver better than 
 Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though slightly slower, 
 browser. I don't find Safari on my Macs particularly slow. It might be worth 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Chris Gilland]

I think it's all in your perspective.  One person may like Chrome, where 
another likes IE, where another likes Firefox, where another likes Safari or 
even Lightning.  I think if the browser does what you want it to do, then use 
it, by all means.  As you said, Web Visum is one of the big advantages of using 
Firefox for us blink blinks.  LOL!  No offense meant by the term.  I think it's 
just whatever you're most comfortable using.  That said, I personally would 
never use I E, but that's another thread in itself that I won't bore you all 
with.  We'll just leave it to say that Internet Exploder has severe issues that 
most likely never will get resolved at the rate MS is going.

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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Nicholas Parsons]

Internet Exploder lol. I actually quite liked it for a number of reasons but 
having it crash on me every 10 minutes or so was a bit of a downer. Probably 
one of the main reasons that drove me, thankfully, to try a Mac.

Okay, sounds like I'll just have to stop being lazy and try FireFox out myself. 
I love, love, love Safari's reader feature though and iCloud tabs are great, so 
FireFox will have to perform pretty well to become my default browser. It 
should be a great secondary browser though even if just for registering for 
things and using Facebook.

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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[David McLean]

What version are you folks using?  I downloaded the latest Firefox build on the 
Mozilla website which is from Feb. 15.
I assume since this thread started this morning there must be a later update 
somewhere?
How might someone find it?
On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Chris Gilland]

As I already said, go get the version 20 beta from

http://www.mozilla.org/beta

I don't post links to web site like this for no reason.  It's really not that 
hard to find.  Also, Google is your friend.

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On Feb 26, 2013, at 8:41 AM, David McLean david.mcl...@cox.net wrote:

 What version are you folks using?  I downloaded the latest Firefox build on 
 the Mozilla website which is from Feb. 15.
 I assume since this thread started this morning there must be a later update 
 somewhere?
 How might someone find it?
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm curious, 
 does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver better than 
 Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though slightly slower, 
 browser. I don't find Safari on my Macs particularly slow. It might be worth 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[David McLean]

Well I missed your post sorry. I hadn't expected a working firefox so soon so I 
might have ignored it.
I won't trouble you with questions any more!
On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

 As I already said, go get the version 20 beta from
 
 http://www.mozilla.org/beta
 
 I don't post links to web site like this for no reason.  It's really not that 
 hard to find.  Also, Google is your friend.
 
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 On Feb 26, 2013, at 8:41 AM, David McLean david.mcl...@cox.net wrote:
 
 What version are you folks using?  I downloaded the latest Firefox build on 
 the Mozilla website which is from Feb. 15.
 I assume since this thread started this morning there must be a later update 
 somewhere?
 How might someone find it?
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
 mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm 
 curious, does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver 
 better than Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though 
 slightly slower, browser. I don't find Safari on my Macs particularly slow. 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Chris Gilland]

I think you mistakened my tone.  I wasn't meaning to be unhelpful or the like.  
Nor did I mean to imply I was in your word, troubled…  I'd rather you ask 
questions and get the help that you need.  After all I did provide you the link 
again, did I not?  If I was really troubled and wanting to be a jerk about it, 
I wouldn't have even done that.  I would a just either not responded at all, or 
would have done so, and said figure it out on your own.  That isn't what I did 
though.  I gave you the  link did I not?

http://www.mozilla.org/beta

In fact, I'll do you one even better.  Here's the direct dmg,

http://www.mozilla.org/products/download.html?product=firefox-20.0b1os=osxlang=en-US

That should bring up a sourceforege page which will start your download 
automatically.

Alas, I'm sorry that you were offended by my message, but frankly, I just was 
trying to help.  I just don't like repeating myself, and frankly, you and about 
literally 5 or so others off list wrote me asking where to get it.  If it was 
only you, that's one thing, but when I  very clearly post the link, and them 
have you and about 4 others bombard me might I add of which about half of those 
other 4 responded directly to the exact e-mail with the link only to ask me for 
the URL… I'm sorry, but that's pathetic.  No hard feelings meant.  It's all 
good.

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 Well I missed your post sorry. I hadn't expected a working firefox so soon so 
 I might have ignored it.
 I won't trouble you with questions any more!
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As I already said, go get the version 20 beta from
 
 http://www.mozilla.org/beta
 
 I don't post links to web site like this for no reason.  It's really not 
 that hard to find.  Also, Google is your friend.
 
 Chris Gilland
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 Phone: 803-760-7136
 Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except 
 weekends and holidays
 
 E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
 
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 8:41 AM, David McLean david.mcl...@cox.net wrote:
 
 What version are you folks using?  I downloaded the latest Firefox build on 
 the Mozilla website which is from Feb. 15.
 I assume since this thread started this morning there must be a later 
 update somewhere?
 How might someone find it?
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
 mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm 
 curious, does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver 
 better than Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[David McLean]

Yes you did provide the link and thank you for that. You did however come 
across as being aggravated at having to do so which is why I said what I did.
I hadn't realized that a new beta had come out.  I hadn't been tracking the 
betas on Firefox so I thought the quickest way to get the info was to ask the 
group.

In any case I've installed the latest Firefox and I'll have to play around with 
it some now.
So thanks again for the link and we'll leave it as no offense meant none taken.
If that suits you it suits me as well.
So as Douglas MacArthur said these proceedings are closed!
Thanks and glad to have gotten it straightened out.
PS I signed up for their news letter so I should be getting info  regularly now.
On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think you mistakened my tone.  I wasn't meaning to be unhelpful or the 
 like.  Nor did I mean to imply I was in your word, troubled…  I'd rather you 
 ask questions and get the help that you need.  After all I did provide you 
 the link again, did I not?  If I was really troubled and wanting to be a jerk 
 about it, I wouldn't have even done that.  I would a just either not 
 responded at all, or would have done so, and said figure it out on your own.  
 That isn't what I did though.  I gave you the  link did I not?
 
 http://www.mozilla.org/beta
 
 In fact, I'll do you one even better.  Here's the direct dmg,
 
 http://www.mozilla.org/products/download.html?product=firefox-20.0b1os=osxlang=en-US
 
 That should bring up a sourceforege page which will start your download 
 automatically.
 
 Alas, I'm sorry that you were offended by my message, but frankly, I just was 
 trying to help.  I just don't like repeating myself, and frankly, you and 
 about literally 5 or so others off list wrote me asking where to get it.  If 
 it was only you, that's one thing, but when I  very clearly post the link, 
 and them have you and about 4 others bombard me might I add of which about 
 half of those other 4 responded directly to the exact e-mail with the link 
 only to ask me for the URL… I'm sorry, but that's pathetic.  No hard feelings 
 meant.  It's all good.
 
 Chris Gilland
 Founder of CLG Productions
 http://www.clgproductions.com
 Phone: 803-760-7136
 Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except 
 weekends and holidays
 
 E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
 
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:05 AM, David McLean david.mcl...@cox.net wrote:
 
 Well I missed your post sorry. I hadn't expected a working firefox so soon 
 so I might have ignored it.
 I won't trouble you with questions any more!
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As I already said, go get the version 20 beta from
 
 http://www.mozilla.org/beta
 
 I don't post links to web site like this for no reason.  It's really not 
 that hard to find.  Also, Google is your friend.
 
 Chris Gilland
 Founder of CLG Productions
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 Phone: 803-760-7136
 Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except 
 weekends and holidays
 
 E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
 
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 8:41 AM, David McLean david.mcl...@cox.net wrote:
 
 What version are you folks using?  I downloaded the latest Firefox build 
 on the Mozilla website which is from Feb. 15.
 I assume since this thread started this morning there must be a later 
 update somewhere?
 How might someone find it?
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
 mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm 
 curious, does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver 
 better than Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though 
 slightly slower, browser. I don't find Safari on my Macs particularly 
 slow. It might be worth using FireFox just for WebVisum though.
 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Phil Halton]

I think firefox's primary advantage would be in the ability to use the 
Webvisum captcha solving plugin.


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!


I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm curious, 
does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver better than 
Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though slightly slower, 
browser. I don't find Safari on my Macs particularly slow. It might be worth 
using FireFox just for WebVisum though.


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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Michael Babcock]

Chris;
You just made my Tuesday! This is some of the best news I have received in a 
long time! I am very excited!
Related to individuals who are questioning the uses of Firefox versus Safari, 
from what I noticed I always have at least Safari, chrome, and WebKit installed 
on my Mac. Firefox will be part of my web browsing arsenal now.
I am involved in a couple of different Internet marketing programs, some of 
which I have found have had accessibility issues utilizing Safari. Therefore, I 
am extraordinarily excited to try these specific sites out in Firefox.

In addition, one thing that individuals may want to consider, is installing 
Firefox if you currently do web development. As previously stated, some 
websites look differently on different browsers, therefore it is important to 
understand especially, now that Firefox is accessible on the Mac, how your 
website looks to both a sided and a blind or low vision user. In addition, it 
is important to understand how the screen reader interacts with the browser, to 
lay that page out
And of course there is the ability to solve captures in Firefox, something that 
should have been free of charge on the Mac, long time ago! Although, Solann I 
did a great job of providing a capture solving service while they were around, 
in my opinion.
Before I conclude this message, I wanted to elaborate on a couple of things. 
First of all, some of us have mentioned accessibility issues in Google Docs, 
has anyone tried it in the new version of Firefox?
And finally, with a lot of websites such as Facebook, and MySpace, and my 
yearbook, well formerly known as my yearbook now known as meet me, utilizing 
interactive HTML element Sites, such as taking an individual in Facebook, may 
become easier when using Firefox. It would be interesting to see the results of 
some of these tests!

Anyway, you guys have a wonderful rest of your day, I know Chris made mine.

Sincerely;
Michael
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On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:57 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I gotta say, this is wonderful news!  Firefox actually finally has gotten rid 
 of the busy busy messages!
 
 I just used it over here to download a book from the nls bard web site, and 
 even text entry as some of you said could be quirky is working fantastically! 
  Granted, I am not using v19 beta, nor the V19 official release.  I'm 
 actually using the V20 beta, which can be found on
 
 http://www.mozilla.org/beta
 
 but from what I so far can see, it is working perfectly.  It's a little 
 sluggish in a few places, but the sluggishness is so darn suttle, I literally 
 barely, and I do mean literally, barely! can notice it at all!  This is 
 absolutely awesome!  Considerring that Firefox has not been made accessible 
 to us for so long, or at best has been very very difficult to deal with, this 
 is a huge, huge, huge! improvement, and I'd encourage anyone to give it a go! 
  Before now, I couldn't reliably say that.  OK, would I use it full 
 primetime?  I don't yet know?  I'd say it's likely, yes, but I need to play 
 just a little more with it to be absolutely 100% sure that nothing later 
 crops up that maybe I've not seen seeing I have only been using it for a 
 matter of maybe 10 minutes, but I will say so far, I am absolutely floored! 
 at what a major improvement they've made in this beta.  We need all to find a 
 way to contact the Mozilla team and commend them on their efforts, as this is 
 great that they finally have found the busy memory leak problem.  Frankly, I 
 have longed! for this day!
 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Chris Blouch]

In a broader sense, Firefox's main advantage is the huge ecosphere of 
plugins. Safari supports plugins but either Apple hasn't promoted it or 
there are some other hurdles which has made the plugin selection weak. 
Hope the VO accessibility in Firefox will extend to the plugins as well. 
Only one way to find out :)


CB

On 2/26/13 7:54 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
I think firefox's primary advantage would be in the ability to use the 
Webvisum captcha solving plugin.


- Original Message - From: Nicholas Parsons 
mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!


I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm 
curious, does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver 
better than Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though 
slightly slower, browser. I don't find Safari on my Macs particularly 
slow. It might be worth using FireFox just for WebVisum though.




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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Teresa Cochran]

Oh, Firefox is *much* better than it used to be. I'll be using it with WebVisum 
from now on, and doing some more playing. There are little glitches, of course, 
which we'll need to report, but it has come a long way. Kudos to everybody who 
worked on its accessibility with VO. Fantastic work!

Teresa
On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:04 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:

 In a broader sense, Firefox's main advantage is the huge ecosphere of 
 plugins. Safari supports plugins but either Apple hasn't promoted it or there 
 are some other hurdles which has made the plugin selection weak. Hope the VO 
 accessibility in Firefox will extend to the plugins as well. Only one way to 
 find out :)
 
 CB
 
 On 2/26/13 7:54 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
 I think firefox's primary advantage would be in the ability to use the 
 Webvisum captcha solving plugin.
 
 - Original Message - From: Nicholas Parsons 
 mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:40 AM
 Subject: Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!
 
 
 I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm curious, 
 does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver better than 
 Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though slightly slower, 
 browser. I don't find Safari on my Macs particularly slow. It might be worth 
 using FireFox just for WebVisum though.
 
 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

NP, and again, I apologize for maybe coming across rudely.  I admittedly wasn't 
in a very good mood this morning, due to family situations which I'm sure you 
all've been made aware.  With my uncle just passing last week, things have been 
really hectic around here, so if I do seem a bit under the hot collar, don't 
take it personally.

Chris Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
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  - Original Message - 
  From: David McLean 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:45
  Subject: Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!


  Yes you did provide the link and thank you for that. You did however come 
across as being aggravated at having to do so which is why I said what I did.
  I hadn't realized that a new beta had come out.  I hadn't been tracking the 
betas on Firefox so I thought the quickest way to get the info was to ask the 
group.


  In any case I've installed the latest Firefox and I'll have to play around 
with it some now.
  So thanks again for the link and we'll leave it as no offense meant none 
taken.
  If that suits you it suits me as well.
  So as Douglas MacArthur said these proceedings are closed!
  Thanks and glad to have gotten it straightened out.
  PS I signed up for their news letter so I should be getting info  regularly 
now.

  On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


I think you mistakened my tone.  I wasn't meaning to be unhelpful or the 
like.  Nor did I mean to imply I was in your word, troubled…  I'd rather you 
ask questions and get the help that you need.  After all I did provide you the 
link again, did I not?  If I was really troubled and wanting to be a jerk about 
it, I wouldn't have even done that.  I would a just either not responded at 
all, or would have done so, and said figure it out on your own.  That isn't 
what I did though.  I gave you the  link did I not?


http://www.mozilla.org/beta


In fact, I'll do you one even better.  Here's the direct dmg,



http://www.mozilla.org/products/download.html?product=firefox-20.0b1os=osxlang=en-US


That should bring up a sourceforege page which will start your download 
automatically.


Alas, I'm sorry that you were offended by my message, but frankly, I just 
was trying to help.  I just don't like repeating myself, and frankly, you and 
about literally 5 or so others off list wrote me asking where to get it.  If it 
was only you, that's one thing, but when I  very clearly post the link, and 
them have you and about 4 others bombard me might I add of which about half of 
those other 4 responded directly to the exact e-mail with the link only to ask 
me for the URL… I'm sorry, but that's pathetic.  No hard feelings meant.  It's 
all good.


Chris Gilland
Founder of CLG Productions
http://www.clgproductions.com
Phone: 803-760-7136
Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except 
weekends and holidays


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On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:05 AM, David McLean david.mcl...@cox.net wrote:


  Well I missed your post sorry. I hadn't expected a working firefox so 
soon so I might have ignored it.
  I won't trouble you with questions any more!

  On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


As I already said, go get the version 20 beta from


http://www.mozilla.org/beta


I don't post links to web site like this for no reason.  It's really 
not that hard to find.  Also, Google is your friend.


Chris Gilland
Founder of CLG Productions
http://www.clgproductions.com
Phone: 803-760-7136
Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time 
except weekends and holidays


E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com


On Feb 26, 2013, at 8:41 AM, David McLean david.mcl...@cox.net wrote:


  What version are you folks using?  I downloaded the latest Firefox 
build on the Mozilla website which is from Feb. 15.
  I assume since this thread started this morning there must be a later 
update somewhere?
  How might someone find it?
  On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote:


I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm 
curious, does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver better 
than Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though slightly slower, 
browser. I don't find Safari on my Macs particularly slow. It might be worth 
using FireFox just for WebVisum though.

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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I tried installing Web Visum, but it didn't really seem to want to install. 
I can't figure out why not, but when I click the link to install, nothing 
from a Voiceover standpoint seems to be happening.  I think it may have said 
once that Firefox had a new window, but my window chooser revealed nothing. 
I stopped interacting with everything, and then looked/interacted with every 
single blessid thing on the screen, just in case, but nothing I did seemed 
to reveal anything.  So, my conclusion is:


1.  It's waiting for me to accept the installation, but Voiceover doesn't 
know how to deal with it, or


2.  Really nothing is! happening, which I'd find very unlikely.

I'm leaning more twoard the former.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:54
Subject: Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!


I think firefox's primary advantage would be in the ability to use the 
Webvisum captcha solving plugin.


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From: Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!


I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm 
curious, does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver 
better than Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though 
slightly slower, browser. I don't find Safari on my Macs particularly 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Did you get Web Visum working?  If so, I'd be interested from

webvisum.com how to get it up and running, as I can't figure it out.  Yes, I 
do have a login on the site, and yes I do know it.


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- Original Message - 
From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 13:05
Subject: Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!


Oh, Firefox is *much* better than it used to be. I'll be using it with 
WebVisum from now on, and doing some more playing. There are little 
glitches, of course, which we'll need to report, but it has come a long way. 
Kudos to everybody who worked on its accessibility with VO. Fantastic work!


Teresa
On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:04 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:

In a broader sense, Firefox's main advantage is the huge ecosphere of 
plugins. Safari supports plugins but either Apple hasn't promoted it or 
there are some other hurdles which has made the plugin selection weak. 
Hope the VO accessibility in Firefox will extend to the plugins as well. 
Only one way to find out :)


CB

On 2/26/13 7:54 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
I think firefox's primary advantage would be in the ability to use the 
Webvisum captcha solving plugin.


- Original Message - From: Nicholas Parsons 
mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!


I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm 
curious, does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver 
better than Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though 
slightly slower, browser. I don't find Safari on my Macs particularly 
slow. It might be worth using FireFox just for WebVisum though.




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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Chris,

I did get it to work with the Nightly build, and then it ported over to the 
beta version just fine. Sometimes the Firefox dialogs don't come up speaking, 
so you have to explore a bit. You might look at your downloads folder too, and 
your installed extensions. The dead giveaway is if there is a webvisum menu 
under the tools menu. Unfortunately, that submenu doesn't seem to be working, 
so you'll just have to verify that it's there. Firefox should have a dialog 
asking you if you want to install the extension. Firefox is still not quite 
seamless yet, but it does work much better than it used to; believe me. :) Once 
you know you have WebVisum installed, you can press command-option-f1 to get a 
quick list of keyboard shortcuts and some additional help.

HtH,
Teresa
On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Did you get Web Visum working?  If so, I'd be interested from
 
 webvisum.com how to get it up and running, as I can't figure it out.  Yes, I 
 do have a login on the site, and yes I do know it.
 
 Chris Gilland.
 Founder of CLG Productions
 http://www.clgproductions.com
 E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
 Phone: 803-760-7136
 Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays.
 - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran 
 vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 13:05
 Subject: Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!
 
 
 Oh, Firefox is *much* better than it used to be. I'll be using it with 
 WebVisum from now on, and doing some more playing. There are little glitches, 
 of course, which we'll need to report, but it has come a long way. Kudos to 
 everybody who worked on its accessibility with VO. Fantastic work!
 
 Teresa
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:04 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:
 
 In a broader sense, Firefox's main advantage is the huge ecosphere of 
 plugins. Safari supports plugins but either Apple hasn't promoted it or 
 there are some other hurdles which has made the plugin selection weak. Hope 
 the VO accessibility in Firefox will extend to the plugins as well. Only one 
 way to find out :)
 
 CB
 
 On 2/26/13 7:54 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
 I think firefox's primary advantage would be in the ability to use the 
 Webvisum captcha solving plugin.
 
 - Original Message - From: Nicholas Parsons 
 mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:40 AM
 Subject: Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!
 
 
 I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm 
 curious, does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver 
 better than Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though 
 slightly slower, browser. I don't find Safari on my Macs particularly slow. 
 It might be worth using FireFox just for WebVisum though.
 
 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[David McLean]

Sorry to hear about your Uncle and your other family problems.  
It's over and done as far as I'm concerned (the little disagreement I mean).
On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 NP, and again, I apologize for maybe coming across rudely.  I admittedly 
 wasn't in a very good mood this morning, due to family situations which I'm 
 sure you all've been made aware.  With my uncle just passing last week, 
 things have been really hectic around here, so if I do seem a bit under the 
 hot collar, don't take it personally.
 
 Chris Gilland.
 Founder of CLG Productions
 http://www.clgproductions.com
 E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
 Phone: 803-760-7136
 Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays.
 - Original Message -
 From: David McLean
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:45
 Subject: Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!
 
 Yes you did provide the link and thank you for that. You did however come 
 across as being aggravated at having to do so which is why I said what I did.
 I hadn't realized that a new beta had come out.  I hadn't been tracking the 
 betas on Firefox so I thought the quickest way to get the info was to ask the 
 group.
 
 In any case I've installed the latest Firefox and I'll have to play around 
 with it some now.
 So thanks again for the link and we'll leave it as no offense meant none 
 taken.
 If that suits you it suits me as well.
 So as Douglas MacArthur said these proceedings are closed!
 Thanks and glad to have gotten it straightened out.
 PS I signed up for their news letter so I should be getting info  regularly 
 now.
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think you mistakened my tone.  I wasn't meaning to be unhelpful or the 
 like.  Nor did I mean to imply I was in your word, troubled…  I'd rather you 
 ask questions and get the help that you need.  After all I did provide you 
 the link again, did I not?  If I was really troubled and wanting to be a 
 jerk about it, I wouldn't have even done that.  I would a just either not 
 responded at all, or would have done so, and said figure it out on your own. 
  That isn't what I did though.  I gave you the  link did I not?
 
 http://www.mozilla.org/beta
 
 In fact, I'll do you one even better.  Here's the direct dmg,
 
 http://www.mozilla.org/products/download.html?product=firefox-20.0b1os=osxlang=en-US
 
 That should bring up a sourceforege page which will start your download 
 automatically.
 
 Alas, I'm sorry that you were offended by my message, but frankly, I just 
 was trying to help.  I just don't like repeating myself, and frankly, you 
 and about literally 5 or so others off list wrote me asking where to get it. 
  If it was only you, that's one thing, but when I  very clearly post the 
 link, and them have you and about 4 others bombard me might I add of which 
 about half of those other 4 responded directly to the exact e-mail with the 
 link only to ask me for the URL… I'm sorry, but that's pathetic.  No hard 
 feelings meant.  It's all good.
 
 Chris Gilland
 Founder of CLG Productions
 http://www.clgproductions.com
 Phone: 803-760-7136
 Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except 
 weekends and holidays
 
 E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
 
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:05 AM, David McLean david.mcl...@cox.net wrote:
 
 Well I missed your post sorry. I hadn't expected a working firefox so soon 
 so I might have ignored it.
 I won't trouble you with questions any more!
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As I already said, go get the version 20 beta from
 
 http://www.mozilla.org/beta
 
 I don't post links to web site like this for no reason.  It's really not 
 that hard to find.  Also, Google is your friend.
 
 Chris Gilland
 Founder of CLG Productions
 http://www.clgproductions.com
 Phone: 803-760-7136
 Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except 
 weekends and holidays
 
 E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
 
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 8:41 AM, David McLean david.mcl...@cox.net wrote:
 
 What version are you folks using?  I downloaded the latest Firefox build 
 on the Mozilla website which is from Feb. 15.
 I assume since this thread started this morning there must be a later 
 update somewhere?
 How might someone find it?
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
 mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm 
 curious, does it do anything that Safari cannot or work with VoiceOver 
 better than Safari does? I'd happily take a more accessible, though 
 slightly slower, browser. I don't find Safari on my Macs particularly 
 slow. It might be worth using FireFox just for WebVisum though.
 
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Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!

[Chris Gilland]

Likewise, and thank you for your condolences.  They mean a lot.

Chris Gilland
Founder of CLG Productions
http://www.clgproductions.com
Phone: 803-760-7136
Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except 
weekends and holidays

E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com

On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:30 PM, David McLean david.mcl...@cox.net wrote:

 Sorry to hear about your Uncle and your other family problems.  
 It's over and done as far as I'm concerned (the little disagreement I mean).
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 NP, and again, I apologize for maybe coming across rudely.  I admittedly 
 wasn't in a very good mood this morning, due to family situations which I'm 
 sure you all've been made aware.  With my uncle just passing last week, 
 things have been really hectic around here, so if I do seem a bit under the 
 hot collar, don't take it personally.
 
 Chris Gilland.
 Founder of CLG Productions
 http://www.clgproductions.com
 E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
 Phone: 803-760-7136
 Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays.
 - Original Message -
 From: David McLean
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:45
 Subject: Re: Firefox: Oh wow! it actually? works!
 
 Yes you did provide the link and thank you for that. You did however come 
 across as being aggravated at having to do so which is why I said what I did.
 I hadn't realized that a new beta had come out.  I hadn't been tracking the 
 betas on Firefox so I thought the quickest way to get the info was to ask 
 the group.
 
 In any case I've installed the latest Firefox and I'll have to play around 
 with it some now.
 So thanks again for the link and we'll leave it as no offense meant none 
 taken.
 If that suits you it suits me as well.
 So as Douglas MacArthur said these proceedings are closed!
 Thanks and glad to have gotten it straightened out.
 PS I signed up for their news letter so I should be getting info  regularly 
 now.
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think you mistakened my tone.  I wasn't meaning to be unhelpful or the 
 like.  Nor did I mean to imply I was in your word, troubled…  I'd rather 
 you ask questions and get the help that you need.  After all I did provide 
 you the link again, did I not?  If I was really troubled and wanting to be 
 a jerk about it, I wouldn't have even done that.  I would a just either not 
 responded at all, or would have done so, and said figure it out on your 
 own.  That isn't what I did though.  I gave you the  link did I not?
 
 http://www.mozilla.org/beta
 
 In fact, I'll do you one even better.  Here's the direct dmg,
 
 http://www.mozilla.org/products/download.html?product=firefox-20.0b1os=osxlang=en-US
 
 That should bring up a sourceforege page which will start your download 
 automatically.
 
 Alas, I'm sorry that you were offended by my message, but frankly, I just 
 was trying to help.  I just don't like repeating myself, and frankly, you 
 and about literally 5 or so others off list wrote me asking where to get 
 it.  If it was only you, that's one thing, but when I  very clearly post 
 the link, and them have you and about 4 others bombard me might I add of 
 which about half of those other 4 responded directly to the exact e-mail 
 with the link only to ask me for the URL… I'm sorry, but that's pathetic.  
 No hard feelings meant.  It's all good.
 
 Chris Gilland
 Founder of CLG Productions
 http://www.clgproductions.com
 Phone: 803-760-7136
 Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except 
 weekends and holidays
 
 E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
 
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:05 AM, David McLean david.mcl...@cox.net wrote:
 
 Well I missed your post sorry. I hadn't expected a working firefox so soon 
 so I might have ignored it.
 I won't trouble you with questions any more!
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As I already said, go get the version 20 beta from
 
 http://www.mozilla.org/beta
 
 I don't post links to web site like this for no reason.  It's really not 
 that hard to find.  Also, Google is your friend.
 
 Chris Gilland
 Founder of CLG Productions
 http://www.clgproductions.com
 Phone: 803-760-7136
 Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except 
 weekends and holidays
 
 E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
 
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 8:41 AM, David McLean david.mcl...@cox.net wrote:
 
 What version are you folks using?  I downloaded the latest Firefox build 
 on the Mozilla website which is from Feb. 15.
 I assume since this thread started this morning there must be a later 
 update somewhere?
 How might someone find it?
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
 mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I agree it's great news that we now have more choices. However, I'm 
 curious, does

Re: firefox

[Maurice Mines]

You can find it under betas on the Mozilla website. The current version is 
version 19. It seems to work very well. The only issue is when typing into 
certain text entry fields. But speed is greatly increased. You can also sign up 
for the beta newsletter on the same website. Hope this helps.Sincerely Maurice 
mines secretary national Federation of the blind of Washington Clark County 
chapter. Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
On Feb 24, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Where can you find the latest version for the Mac?
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Ray asked about whether firefox is ready for prime time but it was asked 
 under the webvisum thread. This really doesn't belong in the webvisum thread 
 as it's going to be confusing for anybody trying to find information about 
 webvisum. As for prime time which I believe was Ray's question, 
 thatdepends on whose prime time. I use it but i haven't made it my default 
 browser. It definitely can be used but probably takes more experience than 
 safari to know what to do.
 
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Re: firefox

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

V 19.10 is o the main FF page for Mac.
On Feb 25, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Maurice Mines maurice.mi...@gmail.com wrote:

 You can find it under betas on the Mozilla website. The current version is 
 version 19. It seems to work very well. The only issue is when typing into 
 certain text entry fields. But speed is greatly increased. You can also sign 
 up for the beta newsletter on the same website. Hope this helps.Sincerely 
 Maurice mines secretary national Federation of the blind of Washington Clark 
 County chapter. Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Where can you find the latest version for the Mac?
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Ray asked about whether firefox is ready for prime time but it was asked 
 under the webvisum thread. This really doesn't belong in the webvisum 
 thread as it's going to be confusing for anybody trying to find information 
 about webvisum. As for prime time which I believe was Ray's question, 
 thatdepends on whose prime time. I use it but i haven't made it my 
 default browser. It definitely can be used but probably takes more 
 experience than safari to know what to do.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
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 and the meditation of my heart
 be acceptable to You, Lord,
 my rock and my Redeemer.
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Re: firefox

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Where can you find the latest version for the Mac?
On Feb 24, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ray asked about whether firefox is ready for prime time but it was asked 
 under the webvisum thread. This really doesn't belong in the webvisum thread 
 as it's going to be confusing for anybody trying to find information about 
 webvisum. As for prime time which I believe was Ray's question, thatdepends 
 on whose prime time. I use it but i haven't made it my default browser. It 
 definitely can be used but probably takes more experience than safari to know 
 what to do.
 
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Re: Firefox Nightly Build Vs. Current Version?

[Maria Chapman]

Hi.  i would love to know the answer to this one as well.


God Bless! Maria from australia
 Newbie mac user.
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will get you fb as well as email  iMessage.   
skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 









On 12/10/2012, at 6:34 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, all,
 
 I currently have the nightly build of Firefox. How does it compare with the 
 most current official release? Is the official release more stable? I realize 
 both may not be entirely responsive with VO, but is one more stable in 
 general terms than the other? If someone's used both, can you tell me how 
 they compare? Do you think it would be advisable to continue monitoring the 
 nightly build for more accessibility developments?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Firefox Nightly Build Vs. Current Version?

[Mauricio Almeida]

hello,

Lets put it this way:
nightly builds are where company test their stuff. every new little thing they 
do is implemented in nightly builds.
if it succeeds, then a lot of nightly builds become the next release. if not, 
it's taken off.
this is a short version of the technical concept but it gives you the idea.
I see no problem with trying nightly builds so long as you know they can break.

thanks

mauricio
On Oct 12, 2012, at 3:34 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, all,
 
 I currently have the nightly build of Firefox. How does it compare with the 
 most current official release? Is the official release more stable? I realize 
 both may not be entirely responsive with VO, but is one more stable in 
 general terms than the other? If someone's used both, can you tell me how 
 they compare? Do you think it would be advisable to continue monitoring the 
 nightly build for more accessibility developments?
 
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Re: Firefox and Webvisum Keyboard Shortcuts?

[Teresa Cochran]

I found the place to edit shortcuts in the extensions area and changed the 
shortcuts. The control modifier key by itself doesn't seem to work well, so I 
changed those to option-command modifiers.

Thanks, Ray.

Teresa

On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:

 As a rule, Mac apps tend not to have a tools menu; but, this differs from app 
 to app.  Perhaps it's in the tool bar maybe?
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Aug 22, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What I recall from my use of this on Linux is the Solve CAPTCHA
 option can actually be found in the Tools menu.  Is it not there in
 the Mac version? I haven't done anything with this on the Mac yet.
 
 On 8/20/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, all,
 
 I've gotten WebVisum installed with Firefox. Now I'm trying to figure out
 the keyboard defaults for capchas and WebVisum menus, etc. I'm not even sure
 whether these keystrokes will work on the Mac.
 
 My biggest problem, however, is that I can't go into the webvisum submenu
 from the Firefox tools menu. My sighted husband can't go in by clicking,
 either.
 
 Anyone fooling around with all of this? It used to work, then I took a break
 while installing ML, and now it seems broken again.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Firefox and Webvisum Keyboard Shortcuts?

[Ray Foret Jr]

No prob at all.  Glad to be of what little help I can.  Just wish Fire Fox was 
more ready for  prime time; so to speak.  
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found the place to edit shortcuts in the extensions area and changed the 
 shortcuts. The control modifier key by itself doesn't seem to work well, so I 
 changed those to option-command modifiers.
 
 Thanks, Ray.
 
 Teresa
 
 On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:
 
 As a rule, Mac apps tend not to have a tools menu; but, this differs from 
 app to app.  Perhaps it's in the tool bar maybe?
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Aug 22, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What I recall from my use of this on Linux is the Solve CAPTCHA
 option can actually be found in the Tools menu.  Is it not there in
 the Mac version? I haven't done anything with this on the Mac yet.
 
 On 8/20/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, all,
 
 I've gotten WebVisum installed with Firefox. Now I'm trying to figure out
 the keyboard defaults for capchas and WebVisum menus, etc. I'm not even 
 sure
 whether these keystrokes will work on the Mac.
 
 My biggest problem, however, is that I can't go into the webvisum submenu
 from the Firefox tools menu. My sighted husband can't go in by clicking,
 either.
 
 Anyone fooling around with all of this? It used to work, then I took a 
 break
 while installing ML, and now it seems broken again.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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Re: Firefox and Webvisum Keyboard Shortcuts?

[Steve Holmes]

What I recall from my use of this on Linux is the Solve CAPTCHA
option can actually be found in the Tools menu.  Is it not there in
the Mac version? I haven't done anything with this on the Mac yet.

On 8/20/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, all,

 I've gotten WebVisum installed with Firefox. Now I'm trying to figure out
 the keyboard defaults for capchas and WebVisum menus, etc. I'm not even sure
 whether these keystrokes will work on the Mac.

 My biggest problem, however, is that I can't go into the webvisum submenu
 from the Firefox tools menu. My sighted husband can't go in by clicking,
 either.

 Anyone fooling around with all of this? It used to work, then I took a break
 while installing ML, and now it seems broken again.

 Thanks,
 Teresa

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Re: Firefox and Webvisum Keyboard Shortcuts?

[Ray Foret Jr]

As a rule, Mac apps tend not to have a tools menu; but, this differs from app 
to app.  Perhaps it's in the tool bar maybe?


Sincerely,
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:

 What I recall from my use of this on Linux is the Solve CAPTCHA
 option can actually be found in the Tools menu.  Is it not there in
 the Mac version? I haven't done anything with this on the Mac yet.
 
 On 8/20/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, all,
 
 I've gotten WebVisum installed with Firefox. Now I'm trying to figure out
 the keyboard defaults for capchas and WebVisum menus, etc. I'm not even sure
 whether these keystrokes will work on the Mac.
 
 My biggest problem, however, is that I can't go into the webvisum submenu
 from the Firefox tools menu. My sighted husband can't go in by clicking,
 either.
 
 Anyone fooling around with all of this? It used to work, then I took a break
 while installing ML, and now it seems broken again.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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Re: Firefox on the Mac

[Harry Hogue]

I just graduated with my master's degree in May, and Safari works very well 
with Blackboard.  I have never sued Blackboard with Firefox, however.

Harry

On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:

 I will be working with a college student later this month.  He indicates that 
 Firefox has been recommended for his use.  He needs to access the Blackboard 
 application and Firefox is recommended.  Is Firefox now accessible with the 
 Mac?  If not, has anybody used Blackboard with Safari? with success  Thanks 
 for any assistance.
 
 Les
 
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Re: Firefox on the Mac

[Matthew Campbell]

Hi.
I too am going through college.
I actually hate using BlackBoard with windows. The Mac I find makes things a 
lot easier.
Also, Blackboard got an update recently that has improved accessibility 
immensely!
HTH,
Matthew Campbell.


On 2012-07-10, at 1:02 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:

 I will be working with a college student later this month.  He indicates that 
 Firefox has been recommended for his use.  He needs to access the Blackboard 
 application and Firefox is recommended.  Is Firefox now accessible with the 
 Mac?  If not, has anybody used Blackboard with Safari? with success  Thanks 
 for any assistance.
 
 Les
 
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