RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
Hi,\ This s not true, You do not have to update your vm ware fusion everytime a new OS version comes out for the mac. Infact I don't believe vm ware come out with a new version every year anyway. They may of course release vm fashion updates for a version -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Moore Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2019 12:27 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Hi Dave, >From what I have experienced is that lately each time there is a new Mac os >version that is released they come out with a new Vmware version to go with it. If you wish to keep your Mac on an older release for a year or two you can get by with keeping the old version kicking, but at this point they seem to get released together and upgrade together. This is why you may think there is an annual license when technically there is not with this version. Enterprise versions though are a completely different thing. Tom -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 3:25 AM To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Hi Dave, Not that I am aware, I only ever purchase the software once and if required an update later There isn't or should I say there wasn't an annual licence fee for vm ware products in the passed. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave Carlson Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2019 4:06 AM To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Simon, Good to hear. Am I also hearing that the $79 is an annual license? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5C7F1410-348F-40BE-930E-994430412D7A%40sbcglobal.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/SY2PR01MB29875AF01F84B47EBBD7DFD48AA00%40SY2PR01MB2987.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/001901d55cd2%24c49c41c0%244dd4c540%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners
Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
Dave, Developers like VMware will offer upgrades (updates are free) at a lower price. The new macOS will be released in about a month so you might want to wait for that and get the latest Fusion then. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 8/27/2019 5:44 AM, Dave Carlson wrote: Tom, So you’re saying that each time I update my Mac OS, I need to update VMWare Fusion, and pay another $79? Or that $49 update price I saw on their web page? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/94d23b2d-d64c-9c29-855a-23c9988bf6a6%40icloud.com.
RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
I can't tell you that this will always happen to you, but this has been the case for the last two years for me. In my case I have been able to use it as a business expense but you may not be able to do this. Tom -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave Carlson Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:44 AM To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Tom, So you’re saying that each time I update my Mac OS, I need to update VMWare Fusion, and pay another $79? Or that $49 update price I saw on their web page? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/302485EA-24B1-4781-B5D5-950FB5C1907A%40sbcglobal.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/000b01d55cd8%24992d93d0%24cb88bb70%24%40gmail.com.
Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
Tom, So you’re saying that each time I update my Mac OS, I need to update VMWare Fusion, and pay another $79? Or that $49 update price I saw on their web page? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/302485EA-24B1-4781-B5D5-950FB5C1907A%40sbcglobal.net.
RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
Hi Dave, >From what I have experienced is that lately each time there is a new Mac os >version that is released they come out with a new Vmware version to go with it. If you wish to keep your Mac on an older release for a year or two you can get by with keeping the old version kicking, but at this point they seem to get released together and upgrade together. This is why you may think there is an annual license when technically there is not with this version. Enterprise versions though are a completely different thing. Tom -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 3:25 AM To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Hi Dave, Not that I am aware, I only ever purchase the software once and if required an update later There isn't or should I say there wasn't an annual licence fee for vm ware products in the passed. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave Carlson Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2019 4:06 AM To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Simon, Good to hear. Am I also hearing that the $79 is an annual license? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5C7F1410-348F-40BE-930E-994430412D7A%40sbcglobal.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/SY2PR01MB29875AF01F84B47EBBD7DFD48AA00%40SY2PR01MB2987.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/001901d55cd2%24c49c41c0%244dd4c540%24%40gmail.com.
RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
Hi Dave, Not that I am aware, I only ever purchase the software once and if required an update later There isn't or should I say there wasn't an annual licence fee for vm ware products in the passed. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave Carlson Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2019 4:06 AM To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Simon, Good to hear. Am I also hearing that the $79 is an annual license? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5C7F1410-348F-40BE-930E-994430412D7A%40sbcglobal.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/SY2PR01MB29875AF01F84B47EBBD7DFD48AA00%40SY2PR01MB2987.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com.
Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
To start, if you go to the Fusion settings and select the Keyboard category, on the Mac Host Keyboard tab, uncheck Mac Host Keyboard. Then, when the Windows VM is loaded, disable Voiceover and press command g to grab the keyboard. Go to full screen with command control f (this is a toggle). Hold the command and control keys and press the f key. Do this quickly. If you want to switch to the Mac then return to Windows, enable Voiceover and then command control to ungrab the keyboard. This is why you want to press these keys then f quickly when toggling full screen. To get back to Windows, go to the Window menu on the menu bar, select your VM and press return. Disable VO and grab the keyboard. It took me a while to get this right but if I don't rush, it works. Oh and when I am finished with the VM, I toggle full screen off and shut down Windows then take the same steps to return to the Mac. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 8/26/2019 2:57 PM, lenron brown wrote: How do I swap between the mac os and windows when running the vm? On 8/26/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote: What is it about Fusion that is a nightmare? It does require care to avoid pressing certain key combinations that could inadvertently throw you into the Mac environment. It otherwise works well By the way, there are many reasons one wants to run Windows on a Mac. Windows applications that has no Mac equivalent is one reason. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 8/26/2019 1:42 AM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote: I personally find running VM ware fusion a nightmare to run. I would recommend running Mac on its own. I don't know about pro edition though. Take care, Hem. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: 26 August 2019 13:53 To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? The fusion running windows 7 wont die no, It's just the Microsoft support for things like updating or security patching for the windows version On your own machine windows will keep working as is. -Original Message- From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:54 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Dave, I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die come January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it before then From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: Simon, Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle up to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows 7 will still run on a VMWare session? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/f794517f-a39d-2c3d-78aa-7871e247541c%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/1bfaa349-990b-ce
Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
Thanks guys! Mistakes sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2019, at 5:57 PM, lenron brown wrote: > > How do I swap between the mac os and windows when running the vm? > >> On 8/26/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >> wrote: >>What is it about Fusion that is a nightmare? It does require care to >> avoid pressing certain key combinations that could inadvertently throw >> you into the Mac environment. It otherwise works well >> >>By the way, there are many reasons one wants to run Windows on a >> Mac. Windows applications that has no Mac equivalent is one reason. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited >> in the past. What if it were true? >> >>> On 8/26/2019 1:42 AM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote: >>> I personally find running VM ware fusion a nightmare to run. I would >>> recommend running Mac on its own. >>> >>> I don't know about pro edition though. >>> >>> Take care, >>> Hem. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On >>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty >>> Sent: 26 August 2019 13:53 >>> To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' >>> Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? >>> >>> The fusion running windows 7 wont die no, It's just the Microsoft support >>> for things like updating or security patching for the windows version >>> >>> >>> On your own machine windows will keep working as is. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:54 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? >>> >>> Dave, >>> I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die >>> come January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it >>> before then >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> Many believe that we have been visited >>> in the past. What if it were true? >>> >>>> On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: >>>> Simon, >>>> Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle >>>> up to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows >>>> 7 will still run on a VMWare session? >>>> >>>> Dave Carlson >>>> Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >>> at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/f794517f-a39d-2c3d-78aa-7871e247541c%40icloud.com. >>> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >
Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
How do I swap between the mac os and windows when running the vm? On 8/26/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote: > What is it about Fusion that is a nightmare? It does require care to > avoid pressing certain key combinations that could inadvertently throw > you into the Mac environment. It otherwise works well > > By the way, there are many reasons one wants to run Windows on a > Mac. Windows applications that has no Mac equivalent is one reason. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited > in the past. What if it were true? > > On 8/26/2019 1:42 AM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote: >> I personally find running VM ware fusion a nightmare to run. I would >> recommend running Mac on its own. >> >> I don't know about pro edition though. >> >> Take care, >> Hem. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On >> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty >> Sent: 26 August 2019 13:53 >> To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' >> Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? >> >> The fusion running windows 7 wont die no, It's just the Microsoft support >> for things like updating or security patching for the windows version >> >> >> On your own machine windows will keep working as is. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:54 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? >> >> Dave, >> I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die >> come January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it >> before then >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited >> in the past. What if it were true? >> >> On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: >>> Simon, >>> Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle >>> up to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows >>> 7 will still run on a VMWare session? >>> >>> Dave Carlson >>> Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >> at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/f794517f-a39d-2c3d-78aa-7871e247541c%40icloud.com. >> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/1bfaa349-990b-ce4f-7581-6a9abb23f42a%40icloud.com. > -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762 -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel tha
Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
What is it about Fusion that is a nightmare? It does require care to avoid pressing certain key combinations that could inadvertently throw you into the Mac environment. It otherwise works well By the way, there are many reasons one wants to run Windows on a Mac. Windows applications that has no Mac equivalent is one reason. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 8/26/2019 1:42 AM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote: I personally find running VM ware fusion a nightmare to run. I would recommend running Mac on its own. I don't know about pro edition though. Take care, Hem. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: 26 August 2019 13:53 To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? The fusion running windows 7 wont die no, It's just the Microsoft support for things like updating or security patching for the windows version On your own machine windows will keep working as is. -Original Message- From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:54 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Dave, I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die come January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it before then From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: Simon, Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle up to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows 7 will still run on a VMWare session? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/f794517f-a39d-2c3d-78aa-7871e247541c%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/1bfaa349-990b-ce4f-7581-6a9abb23f42a%40icloud.com.
Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
Simon, Good to hear. Am I also hearing that the $79 is an annual license? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5C7F1410-348F-40BE-930E-994430412D7A%40sbcglobal.net.
Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
I just looked at the new VM dialog in VMWare 11.1 Professional and there is an option to install Windows 3.1, so don’t worry about older OS’s. The only major issue I have with VMWare is that caps lock key can not be used as a screen reader key unless significant mucking is done on the VM. I wish I could dedicate my Dell USB keyboard to only work with my VM’s and be ignored by MacOS much like my Braille displays are if I plug them in after the VM is active. Also, don’t answer the permissions questions wrong when you first start VMWare. I have had cases where because the granularity on the Security systems setting page is not specific enough, I have had to reset security settings for an entire app or computer in order to get some functionality. This is mostly the case with scripting functions where one application is asking to control another application, but can occur in other situations too. Best Wishes, Jonathan C. Cohn > On Aug 25, 2019, at 11:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: > > Simon, > Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle up > to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows 7 will > still run on a VMWare session? > > Dave Carlson > Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/600EA251-63C7-4694-AC07-60BA3611CD7A%40sbcglobal.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/C0090C5E-FBCF-4A20-B23D-CC9EC862AE73%40gmail.com.
RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
I personally find running VM ware fusion a nightmare to run. I would recommend running Mac on its own. I don't know about pro edition though. Take care, Hem. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: 26 August 2019 13:53 To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? The fusion running windows 7 wont die no, It's just the Microsoft support for things like updating or security patching for the windows version On your own machine windows will keep working as is. -Original Message- From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:54 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Dave, I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die come January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it before then From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: > Simon, > Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle up > to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows 7 will > still run on a VMWare session? > > Dave Carlson > Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer > > > -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/f794517f-a39d-2c3d-78aa-7871e247541c%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/SY2PR01MB29874F118CFD86BE068A656E8AA10%40SY2PR01MB2987.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/000701d55bea%242a6dc710%247f495530%24%40gmail.com.
RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
The fusion running windows 7 wont die no, It's just the Microsoft support for things like updating or security patching for the windows version On your own machine windows will keep working as is. -Original Message- From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:54 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Dave, I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die come January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it before then From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: > Simon, > Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle up > to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows 7 will > still run on a VMWare session? > > Dave Carlson > Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer > > > -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/f794517f-a39d-2c3d-78aa-7871e247541c%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/SY2PR01MB29874F118CFD86BE068A656E8AA10%40SY2PR01MB2987.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com.
RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
Yeah absolutely, If it can take windows 10 then it will take windows 7. I am running 10 enterprise in my vm fusion 10, I've not updated to 11 simply because my former employer purchased the vm licence and I resigned from that company but didn't to their knowledge give the software licence back to them. Shame I couldn't keep the mac book pro or mac mini You'll be fine but if your that worried then purchase the pro -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dave Carlson Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 3:45 PM To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Simon, Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle up to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows 7 will still run on a VMWare session? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/600EA251-63C7-4694-AC07-60BA3611CD7A%40sbcglobal.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/SY2PR01MB298701EBBE61A464A1F75F278AA10%40SY2PR01MB2987.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com.
Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
Dave, I'm running Windows 7 with VMware Fusion. I do not expect it will die come January when MS stops supporting 7. Actually I want to stop using it before then From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 8/25/2019 8:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: Simon, Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle up to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows 7 will still run on a VMWare session? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/f794517f-a39d-2c3d-78aa-7871e247541c%40icloud.com.
Re: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
Simon, Okay, $80 is less than the price for Pro. The web site says it can handle up to Windows 10. I have the source for Windows 7. Do you know if Windows 7 will still run on a VMWare session? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/600EA251-63C7-4694-AC07-60BA3611CD7A%40sbcglobal.net.
RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
Hi I use the standard version of vm ware fusion 10, I don't see that pro was needed but it really depends on what you want to do with it. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ibraheem Fakir Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 7:04 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Hey folks, Wondering what your recommendations are on getting either VMware fusion pro or the standard version. Any pluses to the pro version in terms of accessibility? Thanks, Ibraheem -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6FB9DC30-8B66-4DCE-A20B-F3C4276CFEEC%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/SY2PR01MB2987E8D2185296C13ABBCD958AA10%40SY2PR01MB2987.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com.
RE: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home?
Hi, I have the standered version and you should be fine. I find accessibility in the standered version to work just fine. Matthew Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Ibraheem Fakir Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 3:04 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: VMware fusion 11 pro or Home? Hey folks, Wondering what your recommendations are on getting either VMware fusion pro or the standard version. Any pluses to the pro version in terms of accessibility? Thanks, Ibraheem -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6FB9DC30-8B66-4DCE-A20B-F3C4276CFEEC%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5d62f4c1.1c69fb81.9de64.92cc%40mx.google.com.