Re: how to get apps such as seeing AI to use Front cameras

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I believe that’s completely up to the developer of the software using the camera.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 21, 2022, at 2:56 AM, Michael Marshall  wrote:hey,This particular stand is vertical.On 21 Sep 2022, at 2:39 pm, Dave Carlson  wrote:I guess I don’t understand how your stand works. If the phone is horizontal with the camera, facing down toward a document, then the face of the phone with all the controls is facing up. Why is it necessary to flip the phone over to control it and then flip it back, do you use it to scan? Are you getting upside down? Or are you scanning something else? Dave CarlsonWoodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and MusicianOn Sep 20, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:hey,I am the originator.My iPhone 13 pro max has three cameras and one is very slightly covered by the mountain. Another reason why I wanted the front camera is so that I didn't have to turn the phone around to control the app for example and then turn it back to take pictures.This is why I thought the front cameras would be better but from what I have learned in the last couple of days, I definitely can still use the back.I still think you should be able to select cameras in third-party apps.On 21 Sep 2022, at 1:22 am, Dave Carlson  wrote:Why the big push to have front camera available to Seeing AI? Sounded like the originator had a stand for the phone and for some reason could not mount the phone with the rear lens facing down. Let’s hear back from the originator to solve the problem of mounting the phone. The rear camera is a much better camera than the front-facing camera.
Dave CarlsonFarfar, Pioneer, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer, and Woodworker

On Sep 20, 2022, at 8:00 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:Hi!I think its time to give seeing ai some feedback./A19 sep. 2022 kl. 23:59 skrev Michael Marshall :In my experience, sadly, this has not been the case.On 20 Sep 2022, at 4:10 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:Hi!You seem to be right in your assumption that you can’t find a way to select camera.I tried it because I though you could but it does not work.I was wondering if you could go into the camera app and from there change the camera and then use Seeing Ai./A19 sep. 2022 kl. 10:54 skrev Michael Marshall :hey all,I got an excellent floor tripod stand but I'm having a bit of a problem, it's Mick really to work with the front facing cameras and I would like to get certain apps such as seeing AI and invision to use the front cameras.I have looked in settings and I cannot find anything. Any help would be greatly appreciated.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/23FF808C-7F41-47C5-864C-4DA439C82B19%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6B7DEE74-617A-4978-B51D-A4657EF35E7B%40pipkrokodil.se.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 

Re: how to get apps such as seeing AI to use Front cameras

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
This particular stand is vertical.

> On 21 Sep 2022, at 2:39 pm, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> I guess I don’t understand how your stand works. If the phone is horizontal 
> with the camera, facing down toward a document, then the face of the phone 
> with all the controls is facing up. Why is it necessary to flip the phone 
> over to control it and then flip it back, do you use it to scan? Are you 
> getting upside down? Or are you scanning something else? 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> On Sep 20, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey,
> I am the originator.
> My iPhone 13 pro max has three cameras and one is very slightly covered by 
> the mountain. Another reason why I wanted the front camera is so that I 
> didn't have to turn the phone around to control the app for example and then 
> turn it back to take pictures.
> This is why I thought the front cameras would be better but from what I have 
> learned in the last couple of days, I definitely can still use the back.
> I still think you should be able to select cameras in third-party apps.
> 
>> On 21 Sep 2022, at 1:22 am, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Why the big push to have front camera available to Seeing AI? Sounded like 
>> the originator had a stand for the phone and for some reason could not mount 
>> the phone with the rear lens facing down. Let’s hear back from the 
>> originator to solve the problem of mounting the phone. The rear camera is a 
>> much better camera than the front-facing camera.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Farfar, Pioneer, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer, and Woodworker
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 8:00 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I think its time to give seeing ai some feedback.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 19 sep. 2022 kl. 23:59 skrev Michael Marshall >> >:
>>> 
>>> In my experience, sadly, this has not been the case.
>>> 
 On 20 Sep 2022, at 4:10 am, Anders Holmberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 You seem to be right in your assumption that you can’t find a way to 
 select camera.
 I tried it because I though you could but it does not work.
 I was wondering if you could go into the camera app and from there change 
 the camera and then use Seeing Ai.
 /A
 
> 19 sep. 2022 kl. 10:54 skrev Michael Marshall  >:
> 
> hey all,
> I got an excellent floor tripod stand but I'm having a bit of a problem, 
> it's Mick really to work with the front facing cameras and I would like 
> to get certain apps such as seeing AI and invision to use the front 
> cameras.
> I have looked in settings and I cannot find anything. Any help would be 
> greatly appreciated.
> 
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Re: how to get apps such as seeing AI to use Front cameras

[Dave Carlson]

I guess I don’t understand how your stand works. If the phone is horizontal with the camera, facing down toward a document, then the face of the phone with all the controls is facing up. Why is it necessary to flip the phone over to control it and then flip it back, do you use it to scan? Are you getting upside down? Or are you scanning something else? Dave CarlsonWoodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and MusicianOn Sep 20, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:hey,I am the originator.My iPhone 13 pro max has three cameras and one is very slightly covered by the mountain. Another reason why I wanted the front camera is so that I didn't have to turn the phone around to control the app for example and then turn it back to take pictures.This is why I thought the front cameras would be better but from what I have learned in the last couple of days, I definitely can still use the back.I still think you should be able to select cameras in third-party apps.On 21 Sep 2022, at 1:22 am, Dave Carlson  wrote:Why the big push to have front camera available to Seeing AI? Sounded like the originator had a stand for the phone and for some reason could not mount the phone with the rear lens facing down. Let’s hear back from the originator to solve the problem of mounting the phone. The rear camera is a much better camera than the front-facing camera.
Dave CarlsonFarfar, Pioneer, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer, and Woodworker

On Sep 20, 2022, at 8:00 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:Hi!I think its time to give seeing ai some feedback./A19 sep. 2022 kl. 23:59 skrev Michael Marshall :In my experience, sadly, this has not been the case.On 20 Sep 2022, at 4:10 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:Hi!You seem to be right in your assumption that you can’t find a way to select camera.I tried it because I though you could but it does not work.I was wondering if you could go into the camera app and from there change the camera and then use Seeing Ai./A19 sep. 2022 kl. 10:54 skrev Michael Marshall :hey all,I got an excellent floor tripod stand but I'm having a bit of a problem, it's Mick really to work with the front facing cameras and I would like to get certain apps such as seeing AI and invision to use the front cameras.I have looked in settings and I cannot find anything. Any help would be greatly appreciated.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/23FF808C-7F41-47C5-864C-4DA439C82B19%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6B7DEE74-617A-4978-B51D-A4657EF35E7B%40pipkrokodil.se.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe 

Re: how to get apps such as seeing AI to use Front cameras

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
I am the originator.
My iPhone 13 pro max has three cameras and one is very slightly covered by the 
mountain. Another reason why I wanted the front camera is so that I didn't have 
to turn the phone around to control the app for example and then turn it back 
to take pictures.
This is why I thought the front cameras would be better but from what I have 
learned in the last couple of days, I definitely can still use the back.
I still think you should be able to select cameras in third-party apps.

> On 21 Sep 2022, at 1:22 am, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Why the big push to have front camera available to Seeing AI? Sounded like 
> the originator had a stand for the phone and for some reason could not mount 
> the phone with the rear lens facing down. Let’s hear back from the originator 
> to solve the problem of mounting the phone. The rear camera is a much better 
> camera than the front-facing camera.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Pioneer, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer, and Woodworker
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 20, 2022, at 8:00 AM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I think its time to give seeing ai some feedback.
> /A
> 
>> 19 sep. 2022 kl. 23:59 skrev Michael Marshall > >:
>> 
>> In my experience, sadly, this has not been the case.
>> 
>>> On 20 Sep 2022, at 4:10 am, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> You seem to be right in your assumption that you can’t find a way to select 
>>> camera.
>>> I tried it because I though you could but it does not work.
>>> I was wondering if you could go into the camera app and from there change 
>>> the camera and then use Seeing Ai.
>>> /A
>>> 
 19 sep. 2022 kl. 10:54 skrev Michael Marshall >>> >:
 
 hey all,
 I got an excellent floor tripod stand but I'm having a bit of a problem, 
 it's Mick really to work with the front facing cameras and I would like to 
 get certain apps such as seeing AI and invision to use the front cameras.
 I have looked in settings and I cannot find anything. Any help would be 
 greatly appreciated.
 
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Re: how to get apps such as seeing AI to use Front cameras

[Michael Marshall]

I think it's most apps though. I haven't played with Invision yet.

> On 21 Sep 2022, at 1:00 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I think its time to give seeing ai some feedback.
> /A
> 
>> 19 sep. 2022 kl. 23:59 skrev Michael Marshall :
>> 
>> In my experience, sadly, this has not been the case.
>> 
>>> On 20 Sep 2022, at 4:10 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> You seem to be right in your assumption that you can’t find a way to select 
>>> camera.
>>> I tried it because I though you could but it does not work.
>>> I was wondering if you could go into the camera app and from there change 
>>> the camera and then use Seeing Ai.
>>> /A
>>> 
 19 sep. 2022 kl. 10:54 skrev Michael Marshall :
 
 hey all,
 I got an excellent floor tripod stand but I'm having a bit of a problem, 
 it's Mick really to work with the front facing cameras and I would like to 
 get certain apps such as seeing AI and invision to use the front cameras.
 I have looked in settings and I cannot find anything. Any help would be 
 greatly appreciated.
 
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Re: how to get apps such as seeing AI to use Front cameras

[Dave Carlson]

Why the big push to have front camera available to Seeing AI? Sounded like the 
originator had a stand for the phone and for some reason could not mount the 
phone with the rear lens facing down. Let’s hear back from the originator to 
solve the problem of mounting the phone. The rear camera is a much better 
camera than the front-facing camera.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Pioneer, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer, and Woodworker



On Sep 20, 2022, at 8:00 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I think its time to give seeing ai some feedback.
/A

> 19 sep. 2022 kl. 23:59 skrev Michael Marshall :
> 
> In my experience, sadly, this has not been the case.
> 
>> On 20 Sep 2022, at 4:10 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> You seem to be right in your assumption that you can’t find a way to select 
>> camera.
>> I tried it because I though you could but it does not work.
>> I was wondering if you could go into the camera app and from there change 
>> the camera and then use Seeing Ai.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 19 sep. 2022 kl. 10:54 skrev Michael Marshall :
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> I got an excellent floor tripod stand but I'm having a bit of a problem, 
>>> it's Mick really to work with the front facing cameras and I would like to 
>>> get certain apps such as seeing AI and invision to use the front cameras.
>>> I have looked in settings and I cannot find anything. Any help would be 
>>> greatly appreciated.
>>> 
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Re: how to get apps such as seeing AI to use Front cameras

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I think its time to give seeing ai some feedback.
/A

> 19 sep. 2022 kl. 23:59 skrev Michael Marshall :
> 
> In my experience, sadly, this has not been the case.
> 
>> On 20 Sep 2022, at 4:10 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> You seem to be right in your assumption that you can’t find a way to select 
>> camera.
>> I tried it because I though you could but it does not work.
>> I was wondering if you could go into the camera app and from there change 
>> the camera and then use Seeing Ai.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 19 sep. 2022 kl. 10:54 skrev Michael Marshall :
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> I got an excellent floor tripod stand but I'm having a bit of a problem, 
>>> it's Mick really to work with the front facing cameras and I would like to 
>>> get certain apps such as seeing AI and invision to use the front cameras.
>>> I have looked in settings and I cannot find anything. Any help would be 
>>> greatly appreciated.
>>> 
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Re: how to get apps such as seeing AI to use Front cameras

[Michael Marshall]

In my experience, sadly, this has not been the case.

> On 20 Sep 2022, at 4:10 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> You seem to be right in your assumption that you can’t find a way to select 
> camera.
> I tried it because I though you could but it does not work.
> I was wondering if you could go into the camera app and from there change the 
> camera and then use Seeing Ai.
> /A
> 
>> 19 sep. 2022 kl. 10:54 skrev Michael Marshall :
>> 
>> hey all,
>> I got an excellent floor tripod stand but I'm having a bit of a problem, 
>> it's Mick really to work with the front facing cameras and I would like to 
>> get certain apps such as seeing AI and invision to use the front cameras.
>> I have looked in settings and I cannot find anything. Any help would be 
>> greatly appreciated.
>> 
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Re: how to get apps such as seeing AI to use Front cameras

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You seem to be right in your assumption that you can’t find a way to select 
camera.
I tried it because I though you could but it does not work.
I was wondering if you could go into the camera app and from there change the 
camera and then use Seeing Ai.
/A

> 19 sep. 2022 kl. 10:54 skrev Michael Marshall :
> 
> hey all,
> I got an excellent floor tripod stand but I'm having a bit of a problem, it's 
> Mick really to work with the front facing cameras and I would like to get 
> certain apps such as seeing AI and invision to use the front cameras.
> I have looked in settings and I cannot find anything. Any help would be 
> greatly appreciated.
> 
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