RE: iOS 12.1

[Simon Fogarty]

If your getting a request to update to 12.1 then your running on a public beta 
or dev beta either rway it’s not production.


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2018 2:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 12.1

Hi,

I've only seen 12.0.1 as an update so far and haven't had any issues to note.  
12.0.1 fixes problems with charging the iPhone XS amongst some other minor 
tweaks.  If yours is indeed asking for 12.1, then I'm not sure.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 17, 2018, at 06:24, Oriol Gómez Sentís 
mailto:ogomez@gmail.com>> wrote:

Because that guy seems to be an ass lol


On 17 Oct 2018, at 13:47, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me to 
install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why I’m 
being chastised. For goodness sake.
On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes 
mailto:m13re...@outlook.com>> wrote:

No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1

On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. :)

Andrew
On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta software 
cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.

You should know that.


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Hi,

I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various problems 
and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the list find that the latest 
update actually does cause any problems?

Andrew

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RE: iOS 12.1

[Simon Fogarty]

Wel the current production version of IOS for the phone and or iPad is: 12.0.1

I’ve just checked my iPad pro and it’s showing the current up to date IOS 
version as 12.0.1


From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2018 12:48 AM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: iOS 12.1

Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me to 
install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why I’m 
being chastised. For goodness sake.
On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes 
mailto:m13re...@outlook.com>> wrote:

No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1

On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. :)

Andrew
On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta software 
cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.

You should know that.


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Andrew

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RE: iOS 12.1

[Simon Fogarty]

Actually,

Public betas are bound by a NDA from apple also.

So before you go jumping into something you shouldn’t yes Public beta is 
currently 12.1 production is 12.0.1

I run the PB 12.1 on my phoe and yes I had to agree to a NDA and also respect 
the rules of this list.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Oriol Gómez Sentís
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2018 12:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 12.1

Cannot and will not be discussed on this list? It’s not like this dude is bound 
by the developer agreement, it’s public betas we’re talking about, think before 
you speak! Dude.



On 17 Oct 2018, at 12:24, Raymond Foret Jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta software 
cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.

You should know that.


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Hi,

I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various problems 
and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the list find that the latest 
update actually does cause any problems?

Andrew

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RE: iOS 12.1

[Simon Fogarty]

I think Andrew you mean 12.0.1 rather than 12.1.

From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2018 11:49 PM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: iOS 12.1

I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. :)

Andrew
On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr 
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Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta software 
cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.

You should know that.


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RE: iOS 12.1

[Simon Fogarty]

Problems in what way?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2018 6:18 PM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: iOS 12.1

Hi,

I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various problems 
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Re: iOS 12.1

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I haven't had any problems with iOS 12.0.1.

On 10/17/18, 20:54, "Lorie McCloud"  wrote:

oh great! I already did it. I hope another update comes soon. (smile)

> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:50 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:
> 
> Firstly, I want to apologise.  I’ve made aa mistake referring in my 
previous posting to iOS 12.1.  It should have been 12.0.1.
> 
> Here iss a link to an article warning against updating to 12.0.1.
> 
> https://ytvideos.info/video/ios-12-0-1-is-a-mess-do-not-update/derCK5wLsP0
> 
>> On 17 Oct 2018, at 16:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:
>> 
>>  12 0 1. Not 12 1. If your punctuation is set to none the numbers will 
not be read properly.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 10/17/2018 4:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me 
to install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why I’m 
being chastised. For goodness sake.
 On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes mailto:m13re...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 
 No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1
 
 On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
> I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not 
beta. :)
> 
> Andrew
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta 
software cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.
>> 
>> You should know that.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for 
the blind:
>> 
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>> 
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:18 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes 
various problems and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the list find 
that the latest update actually does cause any problems?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: iOS 12.1

[Lorie McCloud]

oh great! I already did it. I hope another update comes soon. (smile)

> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:50 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Firstly, I want to apologise.  I’ve made aa mistake referring in my previous 
> posting to iOS 12.1.  It should have been 12.0.1.
> 
> Here iss a link to an article warning against updating to 12.0.1.
> 
> https://ytvideos.info/video/ios-12-0-1-is-a-mess-do-not-update/derCK5wLsP0
> 
>> On 17 Oct 2018, at 16:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>>  12 0 1. Not 12 1. If your punctuation is set to none the numbers will not 
>> be read properly.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>> On 10/17/2018 4:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me to 
>>> install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why I’m 
>>> being chastised. For goodness sake.
 On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes >>> > wrote:
 
 No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1
 
 On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
> I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. 
> :)
> 
> Andrew
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta 
>> software cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.
>> 
>> You should know that.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>> blind:
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:18 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various 
>>> problems and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the list find 
>>> that the latest update actually does cause any problems?
>>> 
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RE: iOS 12.1

[matthew dyer]

Hi,
MyHi,
My iphone 8+ which I got just a couple of days ago came with ios 11, but I 
upgraded to ios 12.0.1 and I have no problems with it other than a miner issue 
whare my screen is slugus at times, but I just give it a second or 2 and things 
are fine.  HTH.

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 1:50 PM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: iOS 12.1

Firstly, I want to apologise.  I’ve made aa mistake referring in my previous 
posting to iOS 12.1.  It should have been 12.0.1.

Here iss a link to an article warning against updating to 12.0.1.

https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fytvideos.info%2Fvideo%2Fios-12-0-1-is-a-mess-do-not-update%2FderCK5wLsP0data=02%7C01%7C%7C24803905e4144d94673d08d634590354%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636753954241021313sdata=qyfRDwd%2BQrqALPYEgvPTJUvJQhNIdwM5pW3Ax7Bb4a8%3Dreserved=0

> On 17 Oct 2018, at 16:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   12 0 1. Not 12 1. If your punctuation is set to none the numbers will not 
> be read properly.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 10/17/2018 4:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me to 
>> install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why I’m 
>> being chastised. For goodness sake.
>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes >> <mailto:m13re...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1
>>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. :)
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr >>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta 
>>>>> software cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You should know that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>>>> blind:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:18 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various 
>>>>>> problems and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the list find 
>>>>>> that the latest update actually does cause any problems?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Andrew
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Re: iOS 12.1

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Andrew,
   First, some people do not understand that if one did not agree to 
something, one is not bound by the NDA. You are not on the hook.


   Second, I checked the punctuation bug. Intriguing. All punctuation 
works right. Some punctuation, which I use, is messed up. But don't 
blame Alex, blame the beta testers. Just kidding. Samantha gets it wrong 
too.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 10/17/2018 12:15 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Shawn,

thank you for this.  I felt rather beaten after all that palaver with 
12.1.  Honestly, I never thought Alex would mispronounce things like 
that.  And then I got it in the neck from some of the listers for 
breaking beta rules reporting etc. As if I would. :)


Thanks again.

Andrew
On Oct 17, 2018, at 7:14 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Hi Andrew. It's an honest mistake. If you're using the Alex voice, he 
reports 12.0.1 as 12 dot point 1. This bug was also present in iOS 
11.0.1 and I'm surprised that it hasn't been fixed ever since then.


Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 

On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:50 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Firstly, I want to apologise.  I’ve made aa mistake referring in my 
previous posting to iOS 12.1.  It should have been 12.0.1.


Here iss a link to an article warning against updating to 12.0.1.

https://ytvideos.info/video/ios-12-0-1-is-a-mess-do-not-update/derCK5wLsP0

On 17 Oct 2018, at 16:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


 12 0 1. Not 12 1. If your punctuation is set to none the numbers 
will not be read properly.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 10/17/2018 4:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking 
me to install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t 
understand why I’m being chastised. For goodness sake.
On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes  > wrote:


No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 
12.0.1


On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 
> wrote:


I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, 
not beta. :)


Andrew
On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> 
> wrote:


Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here. 
 Beta software cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.


You should know that.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access 
for the blind:


Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:18 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via 
MacVisionaries  
> wrote:


Hi,

I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes 
various problems and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on 
the list find that the latest update actually does cause any 
problems?


Andrew

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Re: iOS 12.1

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Shawn,

thank you for this.  I felt rather beaten after all that palaver with 12.1.  
Honestly, I never thought Alex would mispronounce things like that.  And then I 
got it in the neck from some of the listers for breaking beta rules reporting 
etc. As if I would. :)

Thanks again.

Andrew
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 7:14 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew. It's an honest mistake. If you're using the Alex voice, he reports 
> 12.0.1 as 12 dot point 1. This bug was also present in iOS 11.0.1 and I'm 
> surprised that it hasn't been fixed ever since then.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
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>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:50 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Firstly, I want to apologise.  I’ve made aa mistake referring in my previous 
>> posting to iOS 12.1.  It should have been 12.0.1.
>> 
>> Here iss a link to an article warning against updating to 12.0.1.
>> 
>> https://ytvideos.info/video/ios-12-0-1-is-a-mess-do-not-update/derCK5wLsP0 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Oct 2018, at 16:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  12 0 1. Not 12 1. If your punctuation is set to none the numbers will not 
>>> be read properly.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 10/17/2018 4:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me to 
 install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why I’m 
 being chastised. For goodness sake.
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes  > wrote:
> 
> No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1
> 
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
>> I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. 
>> :)
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta 
>>> software cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.
>>> 
>>> You should know that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>> blind:
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>> 
 On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:18 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various 
 problems and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the list find 
 that the latest update actually does cause any problems?
 
 Andrew
 
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Re: iOS 12.1

[Oriol Gómez]

you guys are making it lok like as if talking about ios 12.1, that is
with no 0, was a problem.
it is a public beta, it is not a problem.

On 10/17/18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the article.  Personally, I don't believe that I've experienced
> the dropped calls, the lost WiFi, and my battery life on my XS is fine.
> This is not saying that the article is fake, just that I don't seem to be
> experiencing these issues that I can tell.  Regarding whether to update or
> not, in my opinion, go ahead and update.  The majority of the problems sited
> here were simply things that the presenter said were not fixed.  Thus, you
> shouldn't see much of a difference from 12.0 to 12.0.1.  As mentioned,
> there's no way of going backwards to 11.4.1 if you've already installed 12
> and if you have an XS, it has to be 12 or newer.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>
> Firstly, I want to apologise.  I’ve made aa mistake referring in my previous
> posting to iOS 12.1.  It should have been 12.0.1.
>
> Here iss a link to an article warning against updating to 12.0.1.
>
> https://ytvideos.info/video/ios-12-0-1-is-a-mess-do-not-update/derCK5wLsP0
>
>> On 17 Oct 2018, at 16:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  12 0 1. Not 12 1. If your punctuation is set to none the numbers will not
>> be read properly.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>> On 10/17/2018 4:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me to
>>> install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why
>>> I’m being chastised. For goodness sake.
 On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes >>> > wrote:

 No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1

 On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
 >>> > wrote:

> I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not
> beta. :)
>
> Andrew
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr > > wrote:
>>
>> Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta
>> software cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.
>>
>> You should know that.
>>
>>
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for
>> the blind:
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>
>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:18 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various
>>> problems and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the list find
>>> that the latest update actually does cause any problems?
>>>
>>> Andrew
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Re: iOS 12.1

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Thanks for the article.  Personally, I don't believe that I've experienced the 
dropped calls, the lost WiFi, and my battery life on my XS is fine.  This is 
not saying that the article is fake, just that I don't seem to be experiencing 
these issues that I can tell.  Regarding whether to update or not, in my 
opinion, go ahead and update.  The majority of the problems sited here were 
simply things that the presenter said were not fixed.  Thus, you shouldn't see 
much of a difference from 12.0 to 12.0.1.  As mentioned, there's no way of 
going backwards to 11.4.1 if you've already installed 12 and if you have an XS, 
it has to be 12 or newer.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Firstly, I want to apologise.  I’ve made aa mistake referring in my previous 
posting to iOS 12.1.  It should have been 12.0.1.

Here iss a link to an article warning against updating to 12.0.1.

https://ytvideos.info/video/ios-12-0-1-is-a-mess-do-not-update/derCK5wLsP0

> On 17 Oct 2018, at 16:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>  12 0 1. Not 12 1. If your punctuation is set to none the numbers will not be 
> read properly.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 10/17/2018 4:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me to 
>> install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why I’m 
>> being chastised. For goodness sake.
>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1
>>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. :)
 
 Andrew
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  > wrote:
> 
> Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta 
> software cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.
> 
> You should know that.
> 
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
> blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:18 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various 
>> problems and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the list find 
>> that the latest update actually does cause any problems?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
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Re: iOS 12.1

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Andrew. It's an honest mistake. If you're using the Alex voice, he reports 
12.0.1 as 12 dot point 1. This bug was also present in iOS 11.0.1 and I'm 
surprised that it hasn't been fixed ever since then.

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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:50 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Firstly, I want to apologise.  I’ve made aa mistake referring in my previous 
> posting to iOS 12.1.  It should have been 12.0.1.
> 
> Here iss a link to an article warning against updating to 12.0.1.
> 
> https://ytvideos.info/video/ios-12-0-1-is-a-mess-do-not-update/derCK5wLsP0
> 
>> On 17 Oct 2018, at 16:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  12 0 1. Not 12 1. If your punctuation is set to none the numbers will not 
>> be read properly.
>> 
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>> On 10/17/2018 4:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me to 
>>> install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why I’m 
>>> being chastised. For goodness sake.
 On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes >>> > wrote:
 
 No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1
 
 On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
> I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. 
> :)
> 
> Andrew
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr > > wrote:
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>> Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta 
>> software cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.
>> 
>> You should know that.
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various 
>>> problems and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the list find 
>>> that the latest update actually does cause any problems?
>>> 
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Re: iOS 12.1

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Firstly, I want to apologise.  I’ve made aa mistake referring in my previous 
posting to iOS 12.1.  It should have been 12.0.1.

Here iss a link to an article warning against updating to 12.0.1.

https://ytvideos.info/video/ios-12-0-1-is-a-mess-do-not-update/derCK5wLsP0

> On 17 Oct 2018, at 16:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   12 0 1. Not 12 1. If your punctuation is set to none the numbers will not 
> be read properly.
> 
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> On 10/17/2018 4:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me to 
>> install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why I’m 
>> being chastised. For goodness sake.
>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1
>>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. :)
 
 Andrew
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  > wrote:
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> Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta 
> software cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.
> 
> You should know that.
> 
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
> blind:
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> Sincerely,
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> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:18 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various 
>> problems and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the list find 
>> that the latest update actually does cause any problems?
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: iOS 12.1

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   12 0 1. Not 12 1. If your punctuation is set to none the numbers 
will not be read properly.


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On 10/17/2018 4:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me 
to install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand 
why I’m being chastised. For goodness sake.
On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes > wrote:


No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1

On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not 
beta. :)


Andrew
On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:


Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta 
software cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.


You should know that.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for 
the blind:


Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

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Hi,

I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes 
various problems and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the 
list find that the latest update actually does cause any problems?


Andrew

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Re: iOS 12.1

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Can you cite that article? Usually a good idea when posting comments 
like this.


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On 10/16/2018 10:18 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various problems 
and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the list find that the latest 
update actually does cause any problems?

Andrew



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Re: iOS 12.1

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I've only seen 12.0.1 as an update so far and haven't had any issues to note.  
12.0.1 fixes problems with charging the iPhone XS amongst some other minor 
tweaks.  If yours is indeed asking for 12.1, then I'm not sure.


Later...

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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 17, 2018, at 06:24, Oriol Gómez Sentís  wrote:

Because that guy seems to be an ass lol

> On 17 Oct 2018, at 13:47, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me to 
> install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why I’m 
> being chastised. For goodness sake.
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes > > wrote:
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>> No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. :)
>>> 
>>> Andrew
 On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr >>> > wrote:
 
 Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta software 
 cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.
 
 You should know that.
 
 
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 blind:
 
 Sincerely,
 
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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:18 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
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Re: iOS 12.1

[Oriol Gómez Sentís]

Because that guy seems to be an ass lol

> On 17 Oct 2018, at 13:47, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me to 
> install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why I’m 
> being chastised. For goodness sake.
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes > > wrote:
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>> No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>>> I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. :)
>>> 
>>> Andrew
 On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr >>> > wrote:
 
 Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta software 
 cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.
 
 You should know that.
 
 
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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:18 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: iOS 12.1

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Honestly, what a confusion!  I’ve had a message on my iPhone asking me to 
install update to 12.1.  That’s why I’m asking. I don’t understand why I’m 
being chastised. For goodness sake.
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
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> No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1
> 
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. :)
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr >> > wrote:
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 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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Re: iOS 12.1

[Oriol Gómez Sentís]

Cannot and will not be discussed on this list? It’s not like this dude is bound 
by the developer agreement, it’s public betas we’re talking about, think before 
you speak! Dude.


> On 17 Oct 2018, at 12:24, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta software 
> cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.
> 
> You should know that.
> 
> 
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> Sincerely,
> 
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>> 
>> I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various 
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>> 
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Re: iOS 12.1

[Maria Reyes]

No Raymond is right. iOS 12.1 is in beta. the current release is 12.0.1

On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:48 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. :)

Andrew
On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta software 
cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.

You should know that.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Oct 17, 2018, at 12:18 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I’ve seen an article somewhere claiming that iOS 12.1 causes various problems 
and advising delaying update.  Does anyone on the list find that the latest 
update actually does cause any problems?

Andrew

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Re: iOS 12.1

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I think you’ve got me wrong. iOS 12.1 is the official release, not beta. :)

Andrew
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
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> Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta software 
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> 
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>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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Re: iOS 12.1

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Now Andrew, you ought to know better than to ask that here.  Beta software 
cannot and will not be discussed on this list dude.

You should know that.


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