Re: introduction and a question
Hi Mike, I ended up removing the ap with app delete. I might try re-installing it later. Thanks, Jeff On 9/1/14, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: It installs in the status menu, you will need to move to the status menu, then use the voiceover keys to find the icon, although I also had this problem and could not find the application last time I tried it as well. On Sep 1, 2014, at 2:47 PM, jeff `greene greenebo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm Jeff and i just joined this email list. I'm kind of a slider going between mac and windows, although I haven't had a mac for three years. I just bought a like-new 2012 macbook pro 15-inch, so I thought I would subscribe to this list. Ok on to my question: I installed SMC fan control. It was highly recommended on applevis.com, but now that it has been installed and launched for the first time I can't find it. On first launch system control asked if it was ok for SMC to make system changes, and I hit the ok button. It is supposed to live in the menu bar but its not there. If i go to the apps folder and hit open on it nothing happens. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: introduction and a question
If it's in the mnu bar, it will be in the Extras menu; are you hitting vo-m twice, not once, to get there? Also, are you running Mountin Lion or Mavericks (Apple mnu About)? If you're on Lion or below, you might not be able to access the app's menu entry. On Sep 1, 2014, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene greenebo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm Jeff and i just joined this email list. I'm kind of a slider going between mac and windows, although I haven't had a mac for three years. I just bought a like-new 2012 macbook pro 15-inch, so I thought I would subscribe to this list. Ok on to my question: I installed SMC fan control. It was highly recommended on applevis.com, but now that it has been installed and launched for the first time I can't find it. On first launch system control asked if it was ok for SMC to make system changes, and I hit the ok button. It is supposed to live in the menu bar but its not there. If i go to the apps folder and hit open on it nothing happens. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: introduction and a question
Hi Alex, Yes I'm hitting vo-m twice. I see transmit menu, wifi bluetooth and all the usuall items. Nothing else. I thought there might be a shortcut key for bringing up smc fan control. Their website is no help at all! Thanks, Jeff On 9/1/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: If it's in the mnu bar, it will be in the Extras menu; are you hitting vo-m twice, not once, to get there? Also, are you running Mountin Lion or Mavericks (Apple mnu About)? If you're on Lion or below, you might not be able to access the app's menu entry. On Sep 1, 2014, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene greenebo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm Jeff and i just joined this email list. I'm kind of a slider going between mac and windows, although I haven't had a mac for three years. I just bought a like-new 2012 macbook pro 15-inch, so I thought I would subscribe to this list. Ok on to my question: I installed SMC fan control. It was highly recommended on applevis.com, but now that it has been installed and launched for the first time I can't find it. On first launch system control asked if it was ok for SMC to make system changes, and I hit the ok button. It is supposed to live in the menu bar but its not there. If i go to the apps folder and hit open on it nothing happens. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: introduction and a question
Hi Jeff. I think fan control is in system preferences. Go to the Doc with VO D, or go to spotlight with VO space and type system preferences. VO right until you hear Preference pains, scroll area Interact with VO shift down arrow and start to type in fan control/. Press VO space and stop interacting. You'll see the window for the fan control preference pain. Matt Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 3 Work email:matt...@blindaccesstraining.com Personal email: matt.dierck...@gmail.com On Sep 1, 2014, at 16:06, jeff `greene greenebo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, Yes I'm hitting vo-m twice. I see transmit menu, wifi bluetooth and all the usuall items. Nothing else. I thought there might be a shortcut key for bringing up smc fan control. Their website is no help at all! Thanks, Jeff On 9/1/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: If it's in the mnu bar, it will be in the Extras menu; are you hitting vo-m twice, not once, to get there? Also, are you running Mountin Lion or Mavericks (Apple mnu About)? If you're on Lion or below, you might not be able to access the app's menu entry. On Sep 1, 2014, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene greenebo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm Jeff and i just joined this email list. I'm kind of a slider going between mac and windows, although I haven't had a mac for three years. I just bought a like-new 2012 macbook pro 15-inch, so I thought I would subscribe to this list. Ok on to my question: I installed SMC fan control. It was highly recommended on applevis.com, but now that it has been installed and launched for the first time I can't find it. On first launch system control asked if it was ok for SMC to make system changes, and I hit the ok button. It is supposed to live in the menu bar but its not there. If i go to the apps folder and hit open on it nothing happens. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: introduction and a question
Hi Matt, Thanks for the info but that didn't work either. I decided to remove dmc fan control with app delete and forget about it. Thanks again, Jeff On Sep 1, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jeff. I think fan control is in system preferences. Go to the Doc with VO D, or go to spotlight with VO space and type system preferences. VO right until you hear Preference pains, scroll area Interact with VO shift down arrow and start to type in fan control/. Press VO space and stop interacting. You'll see the window for the fan control preference pain. Matt Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 3 Work email:matt...@blindaccesstraining.com Personal email: matt.dierck...@gmail.com On Sep 1, 2014, at 16:06, jeff `greene greenebo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, Yes I'm hitting vo-m twice. I see transmit menu, wifi bluetooth and all the usuall items. Nothing else. I thought there might be a shortcut key for bringing up smc fan control. Their website is no help at all! Thanks, Jeff On 9/1/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: If it's in the mnu bar, it will be in the Extras menu; are you hitting vo-m twice, not once, to get there? Also, are you running Mountin Lion or Mavericks (Apple mnu About)? If you're on Lion or below, you might not be able to access the app's menu entry. On Sep 1, 2014, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene greenebo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm Jeff and i just joined this email list. I'm kind of a slider going between mac and windows, although I haven't had a mac for three years. I just bought a like-new 2012 macbook pro 15-inch, so I thought I would subscribe to this list. Ok on to my question: I installed SMC fan control. It was highly recommended on applevis.com, but now that it has been installed and launched for the first time I can't find it. On first launch system control asked if it was ok for SMC to make system changes, and I hit the ok button. It is supposed to live in the menu bar but its not there. If i go to the apps folder and hit open on it nothing happens. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: introduction and a question
It installs in the status menu, you will need to move to the status menu, then use the voiceover keys to find the icon, although I also had this problem and could not find the application last time I tried it as well. On Sep 1, 2014, at 2:47 PM, jeff `greene greenebo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm Jeff and i just joined this email list. I'm kind of a slider going between mac and windows, although I haven't had a mac for three years. I just bought a like-new 2012 macbook pro 15-inch, so I thought I would subscribe to this list. Ok on to my question: I installed SMC fan control. It was highly recommended on applevis.com, but now that it has been installed and launched for the first time I can't find it. On first launch system control asked if it was ok for SMC to make system changes, and I hit the ok button. It is supposed to live in the menu bar but its not there. If i go to the apps folder and hit open on it nothing happens. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: introduction and a question
Yeah I crashed a work machine 4 times when setting up jaws in a parallel environment. Thank god for snapshots. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch Sent: Friday, 24 July 2009 6:19 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: introduction and a question The mail archive is your friend as many of the snags you'll run into have been noted and often solved on this list in the recent past. That said, Jaws video intercept driver on Parallels is still not fixed. Apparently Parallels uses its own custom video driver that doesn't play well with the Jaws video intercept. If you don't install that Jaws will launch and work but there are lots of things it won't do well. I didn't experiment too much since running without the video intercept is not the normal setup but I know Outlook was pretty much inaccessible. Just to make sure I installed Jaws 10.0.1154 on Parallels 4.0.3844 which are both the latest with no improvement. After the Jaws install reboot Windows crashes while loading and the only fix is to boot into Last Known Good Configuration and then re-install parallels tools. It must be a fundamental flaw in the parallels video emulator because this bug has existed for some time. As was previously mentioned, most Jaws users have moved to Fusion or VirtualBox because of this bug. CB Esther wrote: Hello Anna, Welcome to the list. I'm not sure that there are many list member with current experience running Parallels, and I recall from earlier discussions that users found problems with the Video intercept handling, at least in earlier versions of Parallels, that were not present in other virtualizations. A quick search of the archives brought up this comment, for example: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg36706.html (Parallels and JAWS Update) begin excerpt I noticed there have been some updates to Parallels and to Jaws recently so I thought I'd give it another whirl. Pretty much the same problem persists where the Jaws video intercept hoses the video driver in Parallels. VMWare and Sun's Virtual Box do not seem to have this issue. end excerpt That was quite a while ago, but the most recent comments I've heard about Parallels as of a month ago from another list indicate that there are still serious accessibility problems, so most users seem to have opted either for installing Bootcamp or using VMWare's Fusion. The closest discussion suggestion I've heard that might help your case is to try installing Window Eyes in the event that this correctly handles the installation of the Video Intercept driver. See for example: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02509.html I don't have any experience with this myself, but others may be able to provide suggestions if you specify the machine you're using and the version of JAWS. Hope your questions can be answered. I've enjoyed reading some of your posts on the portable-player list. Cheers, Esther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
Newegg has VMWare Fusion for $50.49 with a mail in $10 rebate making it $40.49. Found this on the dealmac.com web page which is handy for finding those transitory coupons and rebates. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832269005nm_mc=AFC-DealNewscm_mmc=AFC-DealNews-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA CB Thuy wrote: Hi Anna. Fusion is definitely way better than parallels. I did manage to get parallels to work with jaws some time ago, but the virtual machine ran very slowly. If I remember this correctly, I first installed windows through bootcamp and installed jaws also through bootcamp. Then once parallels was running, I told it to use the bootcamp installation as its virtual machine. I think that doing things in that order meant that jaws could run properly. I'm afraid my memory on all this is a bit hazy as I quickly gave up on parallels and opted for fusion which seems to work a lot quicker and is more accessible. Also worth noting that because of the jaws activation method, you may need to reactivate every time you change major parameters such as ram memory allocation, because jaws thinks it's a completely different computer and deactivates itself! Very annoying! That's why a lot of people recommend wineyes, because it doesn't have the activation issues. Hope this helps. Cheers Thuy On 21/07/2009, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Thanks so much, Esther and Scott, for your help. I appreciate it very much. Looks like switching to Fusion makes the most sense. Do I have to uninstall and reinstall Windows, or is uninstalling Parallels and installing Fusion enough? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
The mail archive is your friend as many of the snags you'll run into have been noted and often solved on this list in the recent past. That said, Jaws video intercept driver on Parallels is still not fixed. Apparently Parallels uses its own custom video driver that doesn't play well with the Jaws video intercept. If you don't install that Jaws will launch and work but there are lots of things it won't do well. I didn't experiment too much since running without the video intercept is not the normal setup but I know Outlook was pretty much inaccessible. Just to make sure I installed Jaws 10.0.1154 on Parallels 4.0.3844 which are both the latest with no improvement. After the Jaws install reboot Windows crashes while loading and the only fix is to boot into Last Known Good Configuration and then re-install parallels tools. It must be a fundamental flaw in the parallels video emulator because this bug has existed for some time. As was previously mentioned, most Jaws users have moved to Fusion or VirtualBox because of this bug. CB Esther wrote: Hello Anna, Welcome to the list. I'm not sure that there are many list member with current experience running Parallels, and I recall from earlier discussions that users found problems with the Video intercept handling, at least in earlier versions of Parallels, that were not present in other virtualizations. A quick search of the archives brought up this comment, for example: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg36706.html (Parallels and JAWS Update) begin excerpt I noticed there have been some updates to Parallels and to Jaws recently so I thought I'd give it another whirl. Pretty much the same problem persists where the Jaws video intercept hoses the video driver in Parallels. VMWare and Sun's Virtual Box do not seem to have this issue. end excerpt That was quite a while ago, but the most recent comments I've heard about Parallels as of a month ago from another list indicate that there are still serious accessibility problems, so most users seem to have opted either for installing Bootcamp or using VMWare's Fusion. The closest discussion suggestion I've heard that might help your case is to try installing Window Eyes in the event that this correctly handles the installation of the Video Intercept driver. See for example: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02509.html I don't have any experience with this myself, but others may be able to provide suggestions if you specify the machine you're using and the version of JAWS. Hope your questions can be answered. I've enjoyed reading some of your posts on the portable-player list. Cheers, Esther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
Hi Anna, On Jul 20, 2009, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Thanks so much for your post. I tried installing Window-Eyes, and it almost works. When I start Windows, Window-Eyes functions. I can open the Start menu and browse the Web with Internet Explorer. I can switch to Finder, change VoiceOver preferences, and then switch back to Windows. All is fine until I press the VO keys while on the Windows side. Even if I press VO-Tab and then press those keys, the Windows side becomes inoperable. I can occasionally hear window-Eyes if I switch to the right place, but otherwise all I get is the Parallels toolbar for shutting down or starting Windows. I'd guess these problems are solvable, by analogous behavior in Fusion. And, incidentally, there are a number of list users who run Window-Eyes in a virtual environment on the Mac, and even more JAWS users. At least some users prefer to turn off VoiceOver (Command-F5) while they're running in the virtual environment and using another screen reader. Under the Fusion preferences menu I know that you can disable Mac keys, Fusion-specific keys, assign profiles that use different setups from the default settings, etc. in the keyboard and mouse menu. There are also prefix key sequences that allow the Mac OS X to grab or un-grab key presses once you've set the Mac keys to be disabled in the VM. There may be a similar configuration menu for Parallels, but I don't think you can re-assign or ignore the VO keys, which may be why the VO-Tab pass through is not working. In general, you can access the preferences menu of an application with Command- comma. A few applications will not use a preferences menu. Also, I know that one of the touted features of Parallels is its Coherence Mode to enable you to view and switch to active Windows applications from the Mac side. I'm not sure how that works with VoiceOver. You should make sure that you don't use a visually based window switching system, like the Mac's Exposé keys (F9, F10, and F11). Be careful of pressing these three keys. They are a visual analogue to running a window chooser menu, and if you press one of these keys with VoiceOver activated your display will appear to freeze as the system displays icons of various window combinations on your screen and waits for you to select one of these windows by clicking your mouse into your selection. Pressing the same key F9 F10 or F11 key again should restore the response, but it may be easier to disable this key. I recall a question on another list from someone trying to use Shift-F10 on his Mac on the Windows side in a VM and wondering what had happened to his session. The Shift key here makes the icon view display of Windows display in slow motion, so this is even more confusing! Be aware that those Exposé key combinations can appear to make your Windows session unresponsive. Another irritating thing, even when Windows is running okay, is that VoiceOver says, New window every time a new window opens. I don't see anything in VoiceOver's verbosity settings that would make it stop doing this. Toggling VoiceOver off with Command-F5 would solve this in the VM. So my question at this point is whether these problems are Parallels issues or general problems you encounter when running Windows on a Mac. If the latter, is there a work-around? Perhaps someone using Window-Eyes or JAWS in a VM can make some suggestions. In addition, if you want to read up more about the Exposé keys and how to disable them, you can Google on: Exposé macvisionaries rewinding and read the earlier list post on Rewinding and Fast forwarding in iTunes. This was posted after this list moved to Google Groups, but before archiving at the Mail Archive site was activated, so I can't give you a simple link to use, and only members who are logged into Google Groups can read the posts. Some of the Exposé keys overlie the media functions keys on the Mac keyboard, which is why the topic was discussed in that post. The Mail Archive site is great, and supports access key navigation, as well as searching by keywords, Boolean arguments, author, date range, etc. For example, on the subject of using the VO keys in a Windows virtual environment, you can read this thread from the archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg42013.html (Voice-over commands active in a windows VM session with Fusion.) and follow the discussion down through the thread by press Control-N to read the next message in the thread with Safari. I think that Internet Explorer under Windows may use the Alt key as an access key in place of Control, and Firefox may use Alt-Shift, but there are combinations for each browser. To read up the thread use Control-P for the previous post. For instructions on how to search the archives see: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg46243.html
Re: introduction and a question
I'd try to return Parallels if possible and get VmWare Fusion, which you will be much happier with. You can sometimes get it for $49 even when not a student or look around at places like MacMall and you could possibly find it for $69. Good luck, On Jul 21, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi Esther and all, Thanks so much for your post. I tried installing Window-Eyes, and it almost works. When I start Windows, Window-Eyes functions. I can open the Start menu and browse the Web with Internet Explorer. I can switch to Finder, change VoiceOver preferences, and then switch back to Windows. All is fine until I press the VO keys while on the Windows side. Even if I press VO-Tab and then press those keys, the Windows side becomes inoperable. I can occasionally hear window-Eyes if I switch to the right place, but otherwise all I get is the Parallels toolbar for shutting down or starting Windows. Another irritating thing, even when Windows is running okay, is that VoiceOver says, New window every time a new window opens. I don't see anything in VoiceOver's verbosity settings that would make it stop doing this. So my question at this point is whether these problems are Parallels issues or general problems you encounter when running Windows on a Mac. If the latter, is there a work-around? Thanks so much, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
Hi Anna. Fusion is definitely way better than parallels. I did manage to get parallels to work with jaws some time ago, but the virtual machine ran very slowly. If I remember this correctly, I first installed windows through bootcamp and installed jaws also through bootcamp. Then once parallels was running, I told it to use the bootcamp installation as its virtual machine. I think that doing things in that order meant that jaws could run properly. I'm afraid my memory on all this is a bit hazy as I quickly gave up on parallels and opted for fusion which seems to work a lot quicker and is more accessible. Also worth noting that because of the jaws activation method, you may need to reactivate every time you change major parameters such as ram memory allocation, because jaws thinks it's a completely different computer and deactivates itself! Very annoying! That's why a lot of people recommend wineyes, because it doesn't have the activation issues. Hope this helps. Cheers Thuy On 21/07/2009, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Thanks so much, Esther and Scott, for your help. I appreciate it very much. Looks like switching to Fusion makes the most sense. Do I have to uninstall and reinstall Windows, or is uninstalling Parallels and installing Fusion enough? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hi, I am yet another very happy fusion user. I mostly use it with System Access but Window-Eyes works just fine as well. Anna, feel free to contact me off list if you want help. Robert Carter - Original Message - From: Thuy tmallal...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 8:08:46 Subject: Re: introduction and a question Hi Anna. Fusion is definitely way better than parallels. I did manage to get parallels to work with jaws some time ago, but the virtual machine ran very slowly. If I remember this correctly, I first installed windows through bootcamp and installed jaws also through bootcamp. Then once parallels was running, I told it to use the bootcamp installation as its virtual machine. I think that doing things in that order meant that jaws could run properly. I'm afraid my memory on all this is a bit hazy as I quickly gave up on parallels and opted for fusion which seems to work a lot quicker and is more accessible. Also worth noting that because of the jaws activation method, you may need to reactivate every time you change major parameters such as ram memory allocation, because jaws thinks it's a completely different computer and deactivates itself! Very annoying! That's why a lot of people recommend wineyes, because it doesn't have the activation issues. Hope this helps. Cheers Thuy On 21/07/2009, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Thanks so much, Esther and Scott, for your help. I appreciate it very much. Looks like switching to Fusion makes the most sense. Do I have to uninstall and reinstall Windows, or is uninstalling Parallels and installing Fusion enough? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en com~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hi alex, Thanks for your note. The main reason I need Windows is that I write computer tutorials for National Braille Press. Since a lot of blind people still use Windows, I have to include steps for accomplishing things in Windows, and the only way I can be sure those steps are correct is if I follow them myself. I also use programs like Kurzweil 1000, and I've been testing Brian Hartgen's JAWS scripts for iTunes, called J-Tunes, and I want to be able to continue helping him. So I need to be able to use Windows and JAWS. So there really is no way to run JAWS with Parallels? Thanks, Anna On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Anna, I'm sorry to hear that you have been hit by the same malidy that struck me when I first switched. Parralels is indeed inaccessible. I recommend VMWare Fusion for $89 or if you're a student $49. Virtualbox is free for non-comercial use and is $30/year for comercial use. Virtualbox is not very accessible, but rather the Command-Line is the easier way out on that one. The reason Parallels is not working with JAWS is the Video Intercept Manager does not play nicely. If nothing else, use Window-Eyes or NVDA. If I may ask, what do you need Windows for. I understand you need it for our job, but what exactly are you doing with it. It is possible you can do this on your Mac without the headache of Windows. Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 7:24 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hello, I've been teaching and writing about computers and related technologies for several years. I've been interested in the Mac since I heard the Main Menu show describing access to Tiger, and I finally bought a Mac about a month ago. I've had the inevitable moments of frustration that go along with learning anything new, but overall, I'm enjoying the Mac so far. I'm particularly grateful for Mike Arrigo's excellent podcast demonstrations and David Pogue's Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual. I have a few questions, though, and I hope to be able to help others as I learn more. My most pressing question at the moment involves running Windows on my Mac, something necessary for my job. I'm using Parallels because I didn't know it was inaccessible until after I bought it. My husband installed the Windows virtual machine, we got all the high priority updates, and it's basically working. However, when we tried to install JAWS, Windows attempted to restart during the installation and didn't come up again. The only way we could get it to restart was to restore to a point before we started installing JAWS. What do I need to do before installing JAWS? I assume some driver is required, but don't know what it is. Thanks for any help. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hello Anna, Welcome to the list. I'm not sure that there are many list member with current experience running Parallels, and I recall from earlier discussions that users found problems with the Video intercept handling, at least in earlier versions of Parallels, that were not present in other virtualizations. A quick search of the archives brought up this comment, for example: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg36706.html (Parallels and JAWS Update) begin excerpt I noticed there have been some updates to Parallels and to Jaws recently so I thought I'd give it another whirl. Pretty much the same problem persists where the Jaws video intercept hoses the video driver in Parallels. VMWare and Sun's Virtual Box do not seem to have this issue. end excerpt That was quite a while ago, but the most recent comments I've heard about Parallels as of a month ago from another list indicate that there are still serious accessibility problems, so most users seem to have opted either for installing Bootcamp or using VMWare's Fusion. The closest discussion suggestion I've heard that might help your case is to try installing Window Eyes in the event that this correctly handles the installation of the Video Intercept driver. See for example: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02509.html I don't have any experience with this myself, but others may be able to provide suggestions if you specify the machine you're using and the version of JAWS. Hope your questions can be answered. I've enjoyed reading some of your posts on the portable-player list. Cheers, Esther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hi, No problems. For those little chors as I call them, use Virtualbox and try to get NBP to pay for it if you can't afford it or VMWare Fusion. It would be nice to see NBP do Mac tutorials. Maybe you can suggest this. Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 8:17 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi alex, Thanks for your note. The main reason I need Windows is that I write computer tutorials for National Braille Press. Since a lot of blind people still use Windows, I have to include steps for accomplishing things in Windows, and the only way I can be sure those steps are correct is if I follow them myself. I also use programs like Kurzweil 1000, and I've been testing Brian Hartgen's JAWS scripts for iTunes, called J-Tunes, and I want to be able to continue helping him. So I need to be able to use Windows and JAWS. So there really is no way to run JAWS with Parallels? Thanks, Anna On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Anna, I'm sorry to hear that you have been hit by the same malidy that struck me when I first switched. Parralels is indeed inaccessible. I recommend VMWare Fusion for $89 or if you're a student $49. Virtualbox is free for non-comercial use and is $30/year for comercial use. Virtualbox is not very accessible, but rather the Command-Line is the easier way out on that one. The reason Parallels is not working with JAWS is the Video Intercept Manager does not play nicely. If nothing else, use Window-Eyes or NVDA. If I may ask, what do you need Windows for. I understand you need it for our job, but what exactly are you doing with it. It is possible you can do this on your Mac without the headache of Windows. Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 7:24 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hello, I've been teaching and writing about computers and related technologies for several years. I've been interested in the Mac since I heard the Main Menu show describing access to Tiger, and I finally bought a Mac about a month ago. I've had the inevitable moments of frustration that go along with learning anything new, but overall, I'm enjoying the Mac so far. I'm particularly grateful for Mike Arrigo's excellent podcast demonstrations and David Pogue's Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual. I have a few questions, though, and I hope to be able to help others as I learn more. My most pressing question at the moment involves running Windows on my Mac, something necessary for my job. I'm using Parallels because I didn't know it was inaccessible until after I bought it. My husband installed the Windows virtual machine, we got all the high priority updates, and it's basically working. However, when we tried to install JAWS, Windows attempted to restart during the installation and didn't come up again. The only way we could get it to restart was to restore to a point before we started installing JAWS. What do I need to do before installing JAWS? I assume some driver is required, but don't know what it is. Thanks for any help. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
Hi Esther and all, Thanks so much for your post. I tried installing Window-Eyes, and it almost works. When I start Windows, Window-Eyes functions. I can open the Start menu and browse the Web with Internet Explorer. I can switch to Finder, change VoiceOver preferences, and then switch back to Windows. All is fine until I press the VO keys while on the Windows side. Even if I press VO-Tab and then press those keys, the Windows side becomes inoperable. I can occasionally hear window-Eyes if I switch to the right place, but otherwise all I get is the Parallels toolbar for shutting down or starting Windows. Another irritating thing, even when Windows is running okay, is that VoiceOver says, New window every time a new window opens. I don't see anything in VoiceOver's verbosity settings that would make it stop doing this. So my question at this point is whether these problems are Parallels issues or general problems you encounter when running Windows on a Mac. If the latter, is there a work-around? Thanks so much, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
