Re: Searching in mail

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Chris,

It sounds like your computer lost the search field in the upgrade to Catalina 
as well.  the only way to fix this is to use the Customize toolbar item under 
the View menu.  the problem is that this dialog/window does not work with VO 
dragging in any way shape or form.  I have reported it to Apple, but it 
wouldn't hurt if someone else did.  So, your options are to get sighted 
assistance to have them use the Customize toolbar window to drag the search 
field back into place, or to try dragging it yourself and guessing where to 
drop it.  The dragging needs to be done with your Trackpad or mouse, as it 
cannot be done with VO methods.  I was able to make it work without sighted 
assistance, but it took a lot of patience and may have been a fluke that I even 
got it to drop in the right place.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 21, 2020, at 11:54, Chris Moore  wrote:

Hi Tim,
I go into the toolbar, move to the far right,
and vo says “search more items pop-up button”
Then I hit VO + space and it says “menu”.

Basically, I can’t find any text area to enter the search criteria.

Chris

> On Feb 21, 2020, at 1:18 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> From the front screen of the Mail app, interact with the Toolbar, navigate 
> right to find the Search field and enter your criteria there.  If there's no 
> search field, let me know, as that's a not uncommon problem that has happened 
> with some when upgrading to Catalina.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> 
> On Feb 21, 2020, at 11:15, Chris Moore  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I’m trying to search for messages in mac mail.  I can’t figure this out using 
> VO.  
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> Chris
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Re: Searching in mail

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, I start by typing control-option F while in a message list. You should 
then be able to start typing, once you have a couple of letters in then you 
should be able to use downarrow to find a list of completions.
.

> On Feb 21, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
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> VO.  
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Re: Searching in mail

[Chris Moore]

Hi Tim,
I go into the toolbar, move to the far right,
and vo says “search more items pop-up button”
Then I hit VO + space and it says “menu”.

Basically, I can’t find any text area to enter the search criteria.

Chris

> On Feb 21, 2020, at 1:18 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> From the front screen of the Mail app, interact with the Toolbar, navigate 
> right to find the Search field and enter your criteria there.  If there's no 
> search field, let me know, as that's a not uncommon problem that has happened 
> with some when upgrading to Catalina.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 21, 2020, at 11:15, Chris Moore  > wrote:
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> Hello,
> I’m trying to search for messages in mac mail.  I can’t figure this out using 
> VO.  
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> Chris
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Re: Searching in mail

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

>From the front screen of the Mail app, interact with the Toolbar, navigate 
>right to find the Search field and enter your criteria there.  If there's no 
>search field, let me know, as that's a not uncommon problem that has happened 
>with some when upgrading to Catalina.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 21, 2020, at 11:15, Chris Moore  wrote:

Hello,
I’m trying to search for messages in mac mail.  I can’t figure this out using 
VO.  

Any help appreciated.

Chris

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Searching in mail

[Chris Moore]

Hello,
I’m trying to search for messages in mac mail.  I can’t figure this out using 
VO.  

Any help appreciated.

Chris

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Re: Searching in mail.

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi,

Don't know if its working if the search field isn’t at the Toolbar, but to 
search mailboxes you need to push cmd+option+F.
That's the way I do it for as long as I know.

Ronald



> Op 11 nov. 2019, om 12:51 heeft Anders Holmberg  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi Folks!
> In Mojave i had no problems searching in a mailbox from the toolbar.
> I want to find a specific mail i have saved.
> Now the search seems gone from the toolbar but i guess you can find that mail 
> by pressing cmd f.
> I have tried that but have no luck.
> Should i stand in the list of mails or doesn’t that matter?
> I am not really friend with Catalina yet to be honnest.
> /A
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Re: Searching in mail.

[Barry Hadder]

Another possibility for people who don't have the search is to try forcing the 
toolbar to use the default set.
In the customize toolbar dialog, move to the default set of toolbar items image 
and bring up the context menu.


> On Nov 11, 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It seems to be a flaw in either the upgrade to Catalina Mail, or I'm not sure 
> why it happened if you were doing a clean install.  When I contacted Apple 
> Accessibility about it, they said that all I needed to do was go under the 
> View menu, down to Customize ToolBar, and drag the search item from there 
> into the ToolBar.  It doesn't work though as the style of dialog that 
> presents when choosing the customization will not work for VO dragging.  I've 
> let them know and they have supposedly passed it on to the necessary people.  
> So, you'll either need sighted assistance, or do some guess moving with the 
> Trackpad or mouse to try to get it into the ToolBar.  I've got it back, but I 
> think that it was just dumb luck.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 11, 2019, at 05:51, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks!
> In Mojave i had no problems searching in a mailbox from the toolbar.
> I want to find a specific mail i have saved.
> Now the search seems gone from the toolbar but i guess you can find that mail 
> by pressing cmd f.
> I have tried that but have no luck.
> Should i stand in the list of mails or doesn’t that matter?
> I am not really friend with Catalina yet to be honnest.
> /A
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Re: Searching in mail.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Tim!
Thanks for answering this.
Also thanks for  your kindness to contact apple accessibility.
I resolved it by using mail on my Iphone as it was an icloud acount.
I do hope they fix this issue though.
/A

> 12 nov. 2019 kl. 01:48 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It seems to be a flaw in either the upgrade to Catalina Mail, or I'm not sure 
> why it happened if you were doing a clean install.  When I contacted Apple 
> Accessibility about it, they said that all I needed to do was go under the 
> View menu, down to Customize ToolBar, and drag the search item from there 
> into the ToolBar.  It doesn't work though as the style of dialog that 
> presents when choosing the customization will not work for VO dragging.  I've 
> let them know and they have supposedly passed it on to the necessary people.  
> So, you'll either need sighted assistance, or do some guess moving with the 
> Trackpad or mouse to try to get it into the ToolBar.  I've got it back, but I 
> think that it was just dumb luck.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 11, 2019, at 05:51, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks!
> In Mojave i had no problems searching in a mailbox from the toolbar.
> I want to find a specific mail i have saved.
> Now the search seems gone from the toolbar but i guess you can find that mail 
> by pressing cmd f.
> I have tried that but have no luck.
> Should i stand in the list of mails or doesn’t that matter?
> I am not really friend with Catalina yet to be honnest.
> /A
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Re: Searching in mail.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It seems to be a flaw in either the upgrade to Catalina Mail, or I'm not sure 
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Accessibility about it, they said that all I needed to do was go under the View 
menu, down to Customize ToolBar, and drag the search item from there into the 
ToolBar.  It doesn't work though as the style of dialog that presents when 
choosing the customization will not work for VO dragging.  I've let them know 
and they have supposedly passed it on to the necessary people.  So, you'll 
either need sighted assistance, or do some guess moving with the Trackpad or 
mouse to try to get it into the ToolBar.  I've got it back, but I think that it 
was just dumb luck.

Later...


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On Nov 11, 2019, at 05:51, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi Folks!
In Mojave i had no problems searching in a mailbox from the toolbar.
I want to find a specific mail i have saved.
Now the search seems gone from the toolbar but i guess you can find that mail 
by pressing cmd f.
I have tried that but have no luck.
Should i stand in the list of mails or doesn’t that matter?
I am not really friend with Catalina yet to be honnest.
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Searching in mail.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Folks!
In Mojave i had no problems searching in a mailbox from the toolbar.
I want to find a specific mail i have saved.
Now the search seems gone from the toolbar but i guess you can find that mail 
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I have tried that but have no luck.
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I am not really friend with Catalina yet to be honnest.
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Re: Searching Lion mail with VoiceOver

[John André Netland]

Robert,

You have to first focus on the mailbox you want to search, either a main folder 
or a sub folder. Then press command-option-F to enter the search box in the 
toolbar, enter your search, and use the up/down arrow keys to choose a result. 
Press enter on the result you would like to inspect, and go to the messages 
list. Here you will find all matching results. You can also use the Favorite 
Bar to choose a folder, or select the All checkbox to see results from all of 
your folders.

Hope this helps! :)

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 I was just listening to the latest Mac Power Users podcast and they were 
 talking about how great searching is now in Lion mail. I discovered that 
 command+option+f will allow one to initiate a search from the keyboard. I 
 could not, however, figure out how to use VoiceOver to review the search 
 results. Do you all know how to use this search feature with VoiceOver?
 
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Re: Searching Lion mail with VoiceOver

[Robert Carter]

Hi John,

This was very helpful. I see how to search in an individual mailbox but am not 
finding a checkbox to search all. Can you say a bit more about where to find 
the search all checkbox?

Thanks,

Robert Carter


On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:00 AM, John André Netland wrote:

 Robert,
 
 You have to first focus on the mailbox you want to search, either a main 
 folder or a sub folder. Then press command-option-F to enter the search box 
 in the toolbar, enter your search, and use the up/down arrow keys to choose a 
 result. Press enter on the result you would like to inspect, and go to the 
 messages list. Here you will find all matching results. You can also use the 
 Favorite Bar to choose a folder, or select the All checkbox to see results 
 from all of your folders.
 
 Hope this helps! :)
 
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 Hi All,
 
 I was just listening to the latest Mac Power Users podcast and they were 
 talking about how great searching is now in Lion mail. I discovered that 
 command+option+f will allow one to initiate a search from the keyboard. I 
 could not, however, figure out how to use VoiceOver to review the search 
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Re: Searching Lion mail with VoiceOver

[John André Netland]

Hi Robert,

You'll find it in the Favorites Bar, right after the Show/hide mailbox table 
button.

Cheers,
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 Hi John,
 
 This was very helpful. I see how to search in an individual mailbox but am 
 not finding a checkbox to search all. Can you say a bit more about where to 
 find the search all checkbox?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Robert Carter
 
 
 On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:00 AM, John André Netland wrote:
 
 Robert,
 
 You have to first focus on the mailbox you want to search, either a main 
 folder or a sub folder. Then press command-option-F to enter the search box 
 in the toolbar, enter your search, and use the up/down arrow keys to choose 
 a result. Press enter on the result you would like to inspect, and go to the 
 messages list. Here you will find all matching results. You can also use the 
 Favorite Bar to choose a folder, or select the All checkbox to see results 
 from all of your folders.
 
 Hope this helps! :)
 
 John André
 
  
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 Hi All,
 
 I was just listening to the latest Mac Power Users podcast and they were 
 talking about how great searching is now in Lion mail. I discovered that 
 command+option+f will allow one to initiate a search from the keyboard. I 
 could not, however, figure out how to use VoiceOver to review the search 
 results. Do you all know how to use this search feature with VoiceOver?
 
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Searching Lion mail with VoiceOver

[Robert Carter]

Hi All,

I was just listening to the latest Mac Power Users podcast and they were 
talking about how great searching is now in Lion mail. I discovered that 
command+option+f will allow one to initiate a search from the keyboard. I could 
not, however, figure out how to use VoiceOver to review the search results. Do 
you all know how to use this search feature with VoiceOver?

Thanks,

Robert Carter

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Re: searching for mail in lion with classic layout

[johns . kary]

Hi Anne,
Thanks so much for this, I actually do remember reading this somewhere now you 
mention it.
Thanks again for jogging my memory. :) I was getting incredibly frustrated! 
with it.
Kari. 
On 31/07/2011, at 7:12 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Hello Kary,
 
 If you press Cmd-Option-f you'll be in the Search box. After entering your 
 text, a menu will open offering you choices of where to search, such as 
 subject, body of message, and so on, and also showing what has already been 
 found. Escape will get you out of this menu.
 
 If you stop interacting with the Toolbar, you'll find the Favourites bar to 
 the right. Interacting with this will show you options of where to search.
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: searching for mail in lion with classic layout

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Kary,

If you press Cmd-Option-f you'll be in the Search box. After entering your 
text, a menu will open offering you choices of where to search, such as 
subject, body of message, and so on, and also showing what has already been 
found. Escape will get you out of this menu.

If you stop interacting with the Toolbar, you'll find the Favourites bar to the 
right. Interacting with this will show you options of where to search.

Cheers,

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searching for mail in lion with classic layout

[johns.kary]

Hi guys,
How do you search for an email in the new mail using the classic layout?

In SL all you had to do was type the search in the search box.  That seams to 
have been removed in lion, and cmd F brings up a search feature that doesn't 
seam to do anything.  

Can anyone help?

And I do apologise in advance if  I don't reply or thank someone, I haven't 
quite got the hang of the new mail yet, so I am missing some emails if my inbox 
is over full. As it is at the moment! lol.
Thanks,
Kari. 

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Searching in Mail?

[James Malone]

Hi guys. In Microsoft outlook you can do a search for a spesific message, even 
if you just include a few keywords of the subject. Is there a way you can do 
this in mail? I seem to find that you can only do a find for some text inside a 
message.

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Re: Searching in Mail?

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Command Option F will take you to the search field. Type your search string 
there and tab twice to the messages table.  There you will find a list of all 
messages in all mailboxes that contain your string.  If you want to search 
specific mailboxes, you can select them in the mailboxes table like always.  I 
believe also that Spotlight will find text in saved mail messages as well as 
any other instance of a search string on your Mac.
 

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Re: Searching in Mail?

[James Malone]

Awesome. wow that was simple. How did I not notice this?
Again, thanks heaps. Ah. That makes things a hole lot easier
On 23/11/2010, at 5:05 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

 Command Option F will take you to the search field. Type your search string 
 there and tab twice to the messages table.  There you will find a list of all 
 messages in all mailboxes that contain your string.  If you want to search 
 specific mailboxes, you can select them in the mailboxes table like always.  
 I believe also that Spotlight will find text in saved mail messages as well 
 as any other instance of a search string on your Mac.
 
 
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Re: Searching in Mail?

[Esther]

Hi James,

If you want a specific example of the kinds of searches you can run  
(full text, subject, from field, etc.), you can read my archived reply  
to Mary:

(Re: searching for a specific saved mail message):
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg18079.html
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Other browsers have different access keys in place of the Control key  
-- e.g. Alt for Internet Explorer).


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Nov 22, 2010, at 21:00, James Malone wrote:


Awesome. wow that was simple. How did I not notice this?
Again, thanks heaps. Ah. That makes things a hole lot easier
On 23/11/2010, at 5:05 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

Command Option F will take you to the search field. Type your  
search string there and tab twice to the messages table.  There you  
will find a list of all messages in all mailboxes that contain your  
string.  If you want to search specific mailboxes, you can select  
them in the mailboxes table like always.  I believe also that  
Spotlight will find text in saved mail messages as well as any  
other instance of a search string on your Mac.



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