Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kat DeNicola]

I’ll have to give it a try. … I’m writing this an hour away from the new year… 
I guess I have no life. LOL
Kat
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> On Dec 29, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Matthew Dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I had a play with chrome vox on my mac here and it works well here.  I tested 
> it with gmail and it works ok.  I wish there was a way to arrow the the list 
> of message rather than pressing chromevox n then f for next form field to 
> jump to each message checkbox.  other than that it works and I have chrome 
> set as my default web browser.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/29/2016 10:49 AM, Chris G wrote:
>> Hi,
>> For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5 and 
>> NVDA (latest version).
>> 
>> When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to work at 
>> all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" or "end of 
>> text."  Sometimes it spoke each character twice. It was unusable.
>> 
>> I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use 
>> ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> From: Simon Fogarty
>> Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
>> change my mind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs I’m
>> realy changing my mind,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
>> 
>> Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
>> as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
>> have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
>> the tv without sighted assistance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As for google docks and chrome vox,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
>> the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Google are doing some good thigns,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
>> Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
>> Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
>> to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
>> mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
>> something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
>> I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
>> is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
>> already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
>> system just because they can..
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>So how good is chrome vox?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>And is there a cost to get access to it?
>> 
>> 

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

ChromeVox Next will be default in M56 of Chrome OS (ChromeBooks), which is
targetted for January 2017.
Chrome browser will *NOT* support ChromeVox Next, as there should be
sufficient support by native platform screen readers (e.g. Mac VoiceOver,
Windows NVDA).

On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 9:11 AM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

> Will Chrome VOX Next be available for the Chrome browser too? I haven't
> payed much attention to the progress of Next recently, but it had appeared
> they would be switching this on as a default in the next few months last
> time I looked.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
>
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
> wrote:
>
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from
> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit
> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title.
> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and
> then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results.
> I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What
> am I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Jonathan Cohn]

Will Chrome VOX Next be available for the Chrome browser too? I haven't payed 
much attention to the progress of Next recently, but it had appeared they would 
be switching this on as a default in the next few months last time I looked.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Dec 28, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
>  
> 
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  > wrote:
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google 
> on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for 
> the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to 
> and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut 
> to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure 
> quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? 
> Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

Yeah it’s crazy so far all I’ve been able to confirm is AD and sub titles are 
the only things in the accessibilities menu under settings,

Yeah from the home screan of the Samsung tv try holding down the mute key and 
see what happens, you may have to hold it down for a few seconds to get the 
menu to pop up.

I can’t see why it would be not available here so Have to wait till Samsung nz 
are back at work after break.

Have a great new years simon


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2016 6:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon,
Well, I don't know about any shortcuts, and I can not imagine that Samsung made 
something just for the US. But here, without any shortcut is what you do. Go to 
menu, then system, then accessibility. When you open accessibility, voice Guide 
is the first thing in the list. It's a toggle to be turned on or off. I know 
that's not just for this TV but for any of the Samsung smart TVs made with in 
the last couple of years. I can't imagine Samsung made TVs just for the United 
States with this feature built-in. So I'm not sure what's happening for you. 
And maybe you will like the Sony. I'm just OK with a Samsung because of the 
cost because I'd rather put my money, what little of it there is, into audio if 
I can get by with a cheaper TV.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Well my findings thus far are weird,

I’ve checked out the latest Samsung tvs of 2016 from the 32” up to the 75” 
curved screan and none of them give the voice guidance  accessibility features,

All have the AD and sub title features but nothing had the tts screan reading 
feature,

AD was disabled at the point we were looking

So either the TTS feature doesn’t show up with the accessibility short cut 
option of using the Mute button held down till the menu shows or it’s just not 
there on NZ models of the tv’s

Athanks for the model number But again I’m going back to look at the Sony 
android devices.

Thanks

Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon,
The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. 
They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if it 
is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And you 
have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales guy 
can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do that. 
Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. Not 
everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want is to 
use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on and what 
program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. And there 
is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I don't use it 
much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling me what programs 
were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while it may not be as 
smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price was right and it 
does what I need it to do in an accessible way.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
with their computers,

   On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
factory defaults.

Anyway

What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?

I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t find 
anything in the models they had in store,

 I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.

The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting to 
look at that more than anything else.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experie

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Mary Otten]

Hi Simon,
Well, I don't know about any shortcuts, and I can not imagine that Samsung made 
something just for the US. But here, without any shortcut is what you do. Go to 
menu, then system, then accessibility. When you open accessibility, voice Guide 
is the first thing in the list. It's a toggle to be turned on or off. I know 
that's not just for this TV but for any of the Samsung smart TVs made with in 
the last couple of years. I can't imagine Samsung made TVs just for the United 
States with this feature built-in. So I'm not sure what's happening for you. 
And maybe you will like the Sony. I'm just OK with a Samsung because of the 
cost because I'd rather put my money, what little of it there is, into audio if 
I can get by with a cheaper TV.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 30, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> Well my findings thus far are weird,
>  
> I’ve checked out the latest Samsung tvs of 2016 from the 32” up to the 75” 
> curved screan and none of them give the voice guidance  accessibility 
> features,
>  
> All have the AD and sub title features but nothing had the tts screan reading 
> feature,
>  
> AD was disabled at the point we were looking
>  
> So either the TTS feature doesn’t show up with the accessibility short cut 
> option of using the Mute button held down till the menu shows or it’s just 
> not there on NZ models of the tv’s
>  
> Athanks for the model number But again I’m going back to look at the Sony 
> android devices.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Simon F
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> Hi Simon, 
> The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
> They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. 
> They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if 
> it is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And 
> you have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales 
> guy can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do 
> that. Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. 
> Not everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want 
> is to use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on 
> and what program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. 
> And there is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I 
> don't use it much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling 
> me what programs were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while 
> it may not be as smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price 
> was right and it does what I need it to do in an accessible way.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
> with their computers,
>  
>On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
> keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
> factory defaults.
>  
> Anyway
>  
> What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?
>  
> I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t 
> find anything in the models they had in store,
>  
>  I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.
>  
> The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting 
> to look at that more than anything else.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
> to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
> purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
> android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 
> 32 inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one 
> you have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see 
> any point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out 
> with the Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the androi

RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

Well my findings thus far are weird,

I’ve checked out the latest Samsung tvs of 2016 from the 32” up to the 75” 
curved screan and none of them give the voice guidance  accessibility features,

All have the AD and sub title features but nothing had the tts screan reading 
feature,

AD was disabled at the point we were looking

So either the TTS feature doesn’t show up with the accessibility short cut 
option of using the Mute button held down till the menu shows or it’s just not 
there on NZ models of the tv’s

Athanks for the model number But again I’m going back to look at the Sony 
android devices.

Thanks

Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon,
The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. 
They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if it 
is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And you 
have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales guy 
can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do that. 
Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. Not 
everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want is to 
use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on and what 
program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. And there 
is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I don't use it 
much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling me what programs 
were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while it may not be as 
smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price was right and it 
does what I need it to do in an accessible way.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
with their computers,

   On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
factory defaults.

Anyway

What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?

I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t find 
anything in the models they had in store,

 I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.

The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting to 
look at that more than anything else.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 
inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you 
have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any 
point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the 
Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on 
the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on 
a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. 
But to each their own.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,

However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change 
my mind.

I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
changing my mind,

Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as well 
as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in these 
tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv without 
sighted assistance.

As for google docks and chrome vox,

  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.

Google are doing some good thigns,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.co

RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

Crazy yes however the organisation I work for seem to develop or purchase 
products that are not optimised for IE infact we use an oracle system that 
keeps telling us that IE is not a supported browser and please update to a 
later version,
Crazy how IE 11 isn’t up to date.

And more to the point edge works worse than IE does.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 1:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hey Simon,

It's kind of annoying that so many developers, especially web-site developers, 
"optimized" their sites for use with IE, thus alienating many other users.  I'm 
thinking that this practice is possibly waning with the increased use of the 
Mac and the growth of Chrome as well.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 29, 2016, at 14:46, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,

I can honestly say that IE doesn’t work nicely with most things.

Using widnows and IE everyday it really worries me that MS can’t put together a 
decent browser or is it developers can’t develop decent web applications

Gotta wonder.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 4:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi,

When using Google Docs with screen readers on the Windows side, are you using 
IE or a different browser.  As far as I recall, IE and Google didn't play well 
together at all.  Of course, this may have changed since I've not bothered 
keeping up with much to that subject in the Windows world.  I only touch 
Windows about once a month or so to work within the Active Directory or to 
assist someone else, so I'm certainly not much in the loop.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 29, 2016, at 08:49, Chris G 
mailto:jedikent@mysticaccess.email>> wrote:

Hi,
For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5 and NVDA 
(latest version).

When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to work at 
all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" or "end of text."  
Sometimes it spoke each character twice.  It was unusable.

I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use 
ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.



Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
http://www.MysticAccess.com<http://www.mysticaccess.com/>

Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at:
http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com<http://www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/>

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 Original Message 
From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Mary,



I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,



However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
change my mind.



I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m
realy changing my mind,



Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today

Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
the tv without sighted assistance.



As for google docks and chrome vox,



 This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.



Google are doing some good thigns,



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Tim Kilburn]

Hey Simon,

It's kind of annoying that so many developers, especially web-site developers, 
"optimized" their sites for use with IE, thus alienating many other users.  I'm 
thinking that this practice is possibly waning with the increased use of the 
Mac and the growth of Chrome as well.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 29, 2016, at 14:46, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Tim,
 
I can honestly say that IE doesn’t work nicely with most things.
 
Using widnows and IE everyday it really worries me that MS can’t put together a 
decent browser or is it developers can’t develop decent web applications 
 
Gotta wonder.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 4:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
 
Hi,
 
When using Google Docs with screen readers on the Windows side, are you using 
IE or a different browser.  As far as I recall, IE and Google didn't play well 
together at all.  Of course, this may have changed since I've not bothered 
keeping up with much to that subject in the Windows world.  I only touch 
Windows about once a month or so to work within the Active Directory or to 
assist someone else, so I'm certainly not much in the loop.
 
Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
 
On Dec 29, 2016, at 08:49, Chris G mailto:jedikent@mysticaccess.email>> wrote:
 
Hi,
For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5 and NVDA 
(latest version).

When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to work at 
all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" or "end of text."  
Sometimes it spoke each character twice.  It was unusable.

I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use 
ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.



Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
http://www.MysticAccess.com <http://www.mysticaccess.com/>

Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at:
http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com <http://www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/>

Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news, podcast 
updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to:

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Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)

Twitter: MysticAccess
Facebook: mysticaccessempower



 Original Message 
From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Mary,



I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,



However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
change my mind.



I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m
realy changing my mind,



Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today

Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
the tv without sighted assistance.



As for google docks and chrome vox,



 This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.



Google are doing some good thigns,



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
system just because they can..
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>> wrote:

   So how good is chrome vox?



   And is there a cost to get access to it?



   *From:*macvisionar

RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Kevin,

That’s’ great, but due to no best buy being in NZ I’ll stick to my retailers 
thanks.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 11:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

The 2 accessible talking TVs that are being discussed:
1. Sony: 
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-43-class-42-5-diag--led-2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-black/4801700.p?skuId=4801700&cmp=RMX&ref=17&loc=11&CampaignID=817665&SubscriberID=459173078
2. Samsung: 
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-32-class-31-5-diag--led-1080p-smart-hdtv-silver/4380083.p?id=1219627838276&skuId=4380083

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 1:41 PM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Thanks for that,

That’s not an NZ model number but I’m sure they can figure it out.

But yes reading some documentation on samsungs site there is seemingly a 
shortcut key within a accessibility system by holding down mute or volume I’m 
yet to figure that out for sure.

Thanks.

I’ll let you know how I get on.

Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>]
 On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon,
The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. 
They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if it 
is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And you 
have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales guy 
can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do that. 
Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. Not 
everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want is to 
use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on and what 
program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. And there 
is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I don't use it 
much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling me what programs 
were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while it may not be as 
smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price was right and it 
does what I need it to do in an accessible way.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
with their computers,

   On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
factory defaults.

Anyway

What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?

I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t find 
anything in the models they had in store,

 I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.

The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting to 
look at that more than anything else.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 
inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you 
have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any 
point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the 
Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on 
the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on 
a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. 
But to each their own.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,

However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change 
my mind.

I’ve never really been a fa

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

The 2 accessible talking TVs that are being discussed:
1. Sony: http://www.bestbuy
.com/site/sony-43-class-42-5-diag--led-2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-black/4801700.p?skuId=4801700&cmp=RMX&ref=17&loc=11&CampaignID=817665&SubscriberID=459173078
2. Samsung: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung
-32-class-31-5-diag--led-1080p-smart-hdtv-silver/4380083.p?id=1219627838276&skuId=4380083

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 1:41 PM Simon Fogarty  wrote:

> Hi Mary,
>
>
>
> Thanks for that,
>
>
>
> That’s not an NZ model number but I’m sure they can figure it out.
>
>
>
> But yes reading some documentation on samsungs site there is seemingly a
> shortcut key within a accessibility system by holding down mute or volume
> I’m yet to figure that out for sure.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> I’ll let you know how I get on.
>
>
>
> Simon F
>
>
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
> *Sent:* Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM
>
>
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>
>
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
>
> They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch
> model. They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy.
> But if it is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart
> TV. And you have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If
> your sales guy can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to
> take to do that. Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier
> this year. Not everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if
> what you want is to use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what
> channel you're on and what program is on that channel if it's over the air,
> it works just fine. And there is some kind of guide that also seems to work
> fine, although I don't use it much. I accidentally went into it once, and
> it started telling me what programs were on the channel I was watching over
> the air. So, while it may not be as smooth as the other TV that was being
> discussed, the price was right and it does what I need it to do in an
> accessible way.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Hi Mary,
>
>
>
> Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have
> fun with their computers,
>
>
>
>On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak
> keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to
> factory defaults.
>
>
>
> Anyway
>
>
>
> What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?
>
>
>
> I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t
> find anything in the models they had in store,
>
>
>
>  I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer
> to.
>
>
>
> The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was
> starting to look at that more than anything else.
>
>
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mary Otten
> *Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>
>
>
> Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you
> decide to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I
> just purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed
> on an android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a
> Samsung TV 32 inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV
> probably the one you have been talking about, which is twice that if not
> more. But I don't see any point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of
> cited help start out with the Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that
> the android thing is worth it on the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm
> not buying that Sony and spend it on a really awesome pair of headphones,
> which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. But to each their own.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Hi Mary,
>
>
>
> I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
>
>
>
> However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
> change my mind.
>
>
>
> I’ve neve

RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

I can honestly say that IE doesn’t work nicely with most things.

Using widnows and IE everyday it really worries me that MS can’t put together a 
decent browser or is it developers can’t develop decent web applications

Gotta wonder.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 4:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi,

When using Google Docs with screen readers on the Windows side, are you using 
IE or a different browser.  As far as I recall, IE and Google didn't play well 
together at all.  Of course, this may have changed since I've not bothered 
keeping up with much to that subject in the Windows world.  I only touch 
Windows about once a month or so to work within the Active Directory or to 
assist someone else, so I'm certainly not much in the loop.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 29, 2016, at 08:49, Chris G 
mailto:jedikent@mysticaccess.email>> wrote:

Hi,
For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5 and NVDA 
(latest version).

When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to work at 
all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" or "end of text."  
Sometimes it spoke each character twice.  It was unusable.

I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use 
ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.



Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
http://www.MysticAccess.com<http://www.mysticaccess.com/>

Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at:
http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com<http://www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/>

Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news, podcast 
updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to:

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Contact:

Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)

Twitter: MysticAccess
Facebook: mysticaccessempower



 Original Message 
From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Mary,



I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,



However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
change my mind.



I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m
realy changing my mind,



Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today

Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
the tv without sighted assistance.



As for google docks and chrome vox,



 This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.



Google are doing some good thigns,



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
system just because they can..
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

   So how good is chrome vox?



   And is there a cost to get access to it?



   
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Chao
   *Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
   *To:* MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
   *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



   I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox

RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

Thanks for that,

That’s not an NZ model number but I’m sure they can figure it out.

But yes reading some documentation on samsungs site there is seemingly a 
shortcut key within a accessibility system by holding down mute or volume I’m 
yet to figure that out for sure.

Thanks.

I’ll let you know how I get on.

Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon,
The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. 
They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if it 
is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And you 
have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales guy 
can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do that. 
Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. Not 
everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want is to 
use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on and what 
program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. And there 
is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I don't use it 
much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling me what programs 
were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while it may not be as 
smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price was right and it 
does what I need it to do in an accessible way.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
with their computers,

   On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
factory defaults.

Anyway

What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?

I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t find 
anything in the models they had in store,

 I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.

The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting to 
look at that more than anything else.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 
inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you 
have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any 
point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the 
Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on 
the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on 
a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. 
But to each their own.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,

However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change 
my mind.

I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
changing my mind,

Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as well 
as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in these 
tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv without 
sighted assistance.

As for google docks and chrome vox,

  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.

Google are doing some good thigns,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
resent

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

Yes.  First, make sure you go into settings and check the box to enable
keyboard shortcuts, this will save you much grief later.  There's a few
ways to get a list of keyboard shortcuts as well, these may prove very
useful.  Pressing the question mark, '?' should pull up the list.  Also, to
save you some time, the complete list can be found here:
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6594?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 10:01 AM Kevin Chao  wrote:

> If you haven't done so yet, please have a look at the keyboard shortcuts
> for the application in question, for example, Gmail. It is possible to use
> J&K to navigate to Next and previous thread and use an NP within a
> conversation to navigate to Next and previous message
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016, 9:47 AM Matthew Dyer 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I had a play with chrome vox on my mac here and it works well here.  I
> tested it with gmail and it works ok.  I wish there was a way to arrow
> the the list of message rather than pressing chromevox n then f for next
> form field to jump to each message checkbox.  other than that it works
> and I have chrome set as my default web browser.
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
> On 12/29/2016 10:49 AM, Chris G wrote:
> > Hi,
> > For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5
> > and NVDA (latest version).
> >
> > When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to
> > work at all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text"
> > or "end of text."  Sometimes it spoke each character twice. It was
> > unusable.
> >
> > I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use
> > ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Grabowski
> > Mystic Access
> > Where the magic is in learning.
> > http://www.MysticAccess.com
> >
> > Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts
> > at:
> > http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com
> >
> > Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news,
> > podcast updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to:
> >
> > manews-subscribe@mysticaccess.email
> >
> >  Contact:
> >
> > Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)
> >
> > Twitter: MysticAccess
> > Facebook: mysticaccessempower
> >
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > From: Simon Fogarty
> > Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
> >
> > Hi Mary,
> >
> >
> >
> > I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
> >
> >
> >
> > However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
> > change my mind.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs I’m
> > realy changing my mind,
> >
> >
> >
> > Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
> >
> > Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
> > as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
> > have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
> > the tv without sighted assistance.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for google docks and chrome vox,
> >
> >
> >
> >   This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
> > the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.
> >
> >
> >
> > Google are doing some good thigns,
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
> > *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
> > Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
> > Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
> > to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
> > mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
> > something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
> > I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
> > is not. I think Google shou

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

If you haven't done so yet, please have a look at the keyboard shortcuts
for the application in question, for example, Gmail. It is possible to use
J&K to navigate to Next and previous thread and use an NP within a
conversation to navigate to Next and previous message

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016, 9:47 AM Matthew Dyer 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> I had a play with chrome vox on my mac here and it works well here.  I
> tested it with gmail and it works ok.  I wish there was a way to arrow
> the the list of message rather than pressing chromevox n then f for next
> form field to jump to each message checkbox.  other than that it works
> and I have chrome set as my default web browser.
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
> On 12/29/2016 10:49 AM, Chris G wrote:
> > Hi,
> > For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5
> > and NVDA (latest version).
> >
> > When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to
> > work at all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text"
> > or "end of text."  Sometimes it spoke each character twice. It was
> > unusable.
> >
> > I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use
> > ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Grabowski
> > Mystic Access
> > Where the magic is in learning.
> > http://www.MysticAccess.com
> >
> > Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts
> > at:
> > http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com
> >
> > Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news,
> > podcast updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to:
> >
> > manews-subscribe@mysticaccess.email
> >
> >  Contact:
> >
> > Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)
> >
> > Twitter: MysticAccess
> > Facebook: mysticaccessempower
> >
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > From: Simon Fogarty
> > Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
> >
> > Hi Mary,
> >
> >
> >
> > I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
> >
> >
> >
> > However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
> > change my mind.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs I’m
> > realy changing my mind,
> >
> >
> >
> > Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
> >
> > Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
> > as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
> > have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
> > the tv without sighted assistance.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for google docks and chrome vox,
> >
> >
> >
> >   This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
> > the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.
> >
> >
> >
> > Google are doing some good thigns,
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
> > *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
> > Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
> > Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
> > to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
> > mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
> > something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
> > I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
> > is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
> > already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
> > system just because they can..
> > Mary
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> >
> > So how good is chrome vox?
> >
> >
> >
> > And is there a cost to get access to it?
> >
> >
> >
> > 

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,


I had a play with chrome vox on my mac here and it works well here.  I 
tested it with gmail and it works ok.  I wish there was a way to arrow 
the the list of message rather than pressing chromevox n then f for next 
form field to jump to each message checkbox.  other than that it works 
and I have chrome set as my default web browser.



Matthew




On 12/29/2016 10:49 AM, Chris G wrote:

Hi,
For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5 
and NVDA (latest version).


When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to 
work at all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" 
or "end of text."  Sometimes it spoke each character twice. It was 
unusable.


I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use 
ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.




Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
http://www.MysticAccess.com

Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts 
at:

http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com

Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news, 
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Twitter: MysticAccess
Facebook: mysticaccessempower



 Original Message 
From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Mary,



I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,



However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
change my mind.



I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs I’m
realy changing my mind,



Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today

Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
the tv without sighted assistance.



As for google docks and chrome vox,



  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.



Google are doing some good thigns,



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
system just because they can..
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

So how good is chrome vox?



And is there a cost to get access to it?



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Chao
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
*To:* MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:


https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn 



It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.



On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe
it's already been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the
help information from google on using docs with voiceover on the
mac. I can't even find the edit field for the body of the
document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to
and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then
the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent
results. I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader
mode was enabled. What am I missing? Or is it actually just a
mess anyway?

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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Mary Otten]

Hi Simon, 
The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af
They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. 
They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if it 
is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And you 
have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales guy 
can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do that. 
Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. Not 
everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want is to 
use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on and what 
program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. And there 
is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I don't use it 
much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling me what programs 
were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while it may not be as 
smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price was right and it 
does what I need it to do in an accessible way.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
> with their computers,
>  
>On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
> keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
> factory defaults.
>  
> Anyway
>  
> What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?
>  
> I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t 
> find anything in the models they had in store,
>  
>  I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.
>  
> The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting 
> to look at that more than anything else.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
> to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
> purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
> android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 
> 32 inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one 
> you have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see 
> any point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out 
> with the Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is 
> worth it on the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony 
> and spend it on a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think 
> I'll be ahead. But to each their own.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
>  
> However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to 
> change my mind.
>  
> I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
> changing my mind,
>  
> Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
> Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as 
> well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in 
> these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv 
> without sighted assistance.
>  
> As for google docks and chrome vox,
>  
>   This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
> suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.
>  
> Google are doing some good thigns,
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
> resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
> play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
> Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
> lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
> HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. 
> But I can&#

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,


Thanks for this.  Had a chance to play with this and worked with the 
interactive totorall last night and and it seems to work well over here.



Matthew




On 12/28/2016 05:50 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201?hl=en

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM Matthew Dyer 
> wrote:


Is there a set of command keys someware to work with chromevox.  I
would like to take a good luck at this.


Matthew




On 12/28/2016 01:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola
mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe
it's already been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the
help information from google on using docs with voiceover on
the mac. I can't even find the edit field for the body of the
document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to
and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and
then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields
inconsistent results. I made sure quicknav was off and that
screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? Or is it
actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Chris G]

Hi Tim,
Freedom Scientific recommends IE, (I try and stay as far from IE as I 
can) most of my usage is with Firefox and Window-eyes or NVDA.  However 
I have used them with Chrome as well.




Chris Grabowski
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 Original Message 
From: Tim Kilburn
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 10:54 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi,

When using Google Docs with screen readers on the Windows side, are you
using IE or a different browser.  As far as I recall, IE and Google
didn't play well together at all.  Of course, this may have changed
since I've not bothered keeping up with much to that subject in the
Windows world.  I only touch Windows about once a month or so to work
within the Active Directory or to assist someone else, so I'm certainly
not much in the loop.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 29, 2016, at 08:49, Chris G mailto:jedikent@mysticaccess.email>> wrote:

Hi,
For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5
and NVDA (latest version).

When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to
work at all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" or
"end of text."  Sometimes it spoke each character twice.  It was unusable.

I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use
ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.



Chris Grabowski
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 Original Message 
From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Mary,



I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,



However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
change my mind.



I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m
realy changing my mind,



Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today

Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
the tv without sighted assistance.



As for google docks and chrome vox,



 This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.



Google are doing some good thigns,



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
system just because they can..
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

   So how good is chrome vox?



   And is there a cost to get access to it?



   *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   [mailto:ma

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Chris G]

Hi,
For what it is worth, Docs works fine with JAWS 17/18, Window-eyes 9.5 
and NVDA (latest version).


When I was playing with docs on the mac, I couldn't get VoiceOver to 
work at all.  Arrowing through the document said "beginning of text" or 
"end of text."  Sometimes it spoke each character twice.  It was unusable.


I tried VoiceOver in Chrome with the same results.  Finally had to use 
ChromeVox in Chrome to work with Docs on the mac.




Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
http://www.MysticAccess.com

Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at:
http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com

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 Contact:

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 Original Message 
From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, Dec 29, 2016 1:17 AM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Mary,



I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,



However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to
change my mind.



I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m
realy changing my mind,



Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today

Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources
as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google
have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control
the tv without sighted assistance.



As for google docks and chrome vox,



  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make
the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.



Google are doing some good thigns,



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't.
Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the
Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people
to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I
mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do
something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So
I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or
is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed
already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different
system just because they can..
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

So how good is chrome vox?



And is there a cost to get access to it?



*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Chao
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
*To:* MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover



I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:


https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn

It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.



On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe
it's already been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the
help information from google on using docs with voiceover on the
mac. I can't even find the edit field for the body of the
document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to
and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then
the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent
results. I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader
mode was enabled. What am I missing? Or is it actually just a
mess anyway?

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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

We use the gSuite as part of my work and I've found it beneficial to use a 
combination of ChromeVox and VO when dealing with Google Docs, Sheets etc.  The 
biggest limitation with ChromeVox is that it is only useful within the browser 
itself.  Therefore, any MacOS menu items and/or other MacOS needs are not 
available to ChromeVox.  Using VO alone in either Chrome or Safari also has 
it's limitations as VO doesn't seem to access some of the menus within the 
Google Docs as well as CV does.  It's probably just me, but I often find it 
easier to access the edit area of a Google Doc with VO as opposed to CV.  There 
may be some improvements or commands in CV that I'm not aware of that would 
make it easier for me to navigate if I took the plunge and worked really hard 
at it, but I still find it best to go with the two screenreader solution when 
dealing with Google Docs and other apps in the suite.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 28, 2016, at 15:50, Kevin Chao  wrote:

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201?hl=en 


On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM Matthew Dyer mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is there a set of command keys someware to work with chromevox.  I would like 
to take a good luck at this.


Matthew




On 12/28/2016 01:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
>  
> 
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  > wrote:
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google 
> on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for 
> the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to 
> and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut 
> to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure 
> quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? 
> Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kat DeNicola]

I feel the same, but unfortunately I can’t take that stance when it comes to 
training clients whose work site uses it, both mac and PC versions.

It also bugs me that google doesn’t have an accessibility branch of their tech 
support like Apple and even Microsoft do. I called once and the woman didn’t 
even know what Talkback was.


Kat
*
“Dogs are our link to paradise. They don't know evil or jealousy or discontent. 
To sit with a dog on a hillside on a glorious afternoon is to be back in Eden, 
where doing nothing was not boring--it was peace.” - Milan Kundera

> On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:19 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Mary completely, here.  Google seems to think it's fine to 
> ignore standard conventions, and make blind users learn their system.  I 
> don't consider that acceptable.  While it's true that different OSes have 
> different key commands, Google refuses to utilize the existing structure of 
> the OS, making users learn a whole new set of commands to accommodate them.  
> For as long as I have the choice to do so, I will refuse to use Google for 
> that reason alone.  I realize that they don't care about my small protest, 
> but I will do it anyway, and will continue to mark them down for 
> accessibility.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:11 AM, Mary Otten > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
>> resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
>> play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
>> Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
>> lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
>> HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. 
>> But I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've 
>> played with the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected 
>> blind people to learn a whole different system just because they can..
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> So how good is chrome vox?
>>>  
>>> And is there a cost to get access to it?
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>>> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>>>  
>>> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
>>> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
>>>  
>>> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn>
>>> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>>>  
>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola >> <mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
>>> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from 
>>> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit 
>>> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. 
>>> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and 
>>> then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. 
>>> I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What 
>>> am I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
>>> -- 
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RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
with their computers,

   On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
factory defaults.

Anyway

What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?

I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t find 
anything in the models they had in store,

 I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.

The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting to 
look at that more than anything else.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 
inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you 
have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any 
point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the 
Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on 
the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on 
a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. 
But to each their own.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,

However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change 
my mind.

I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
changing my mind,

Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as well 
as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in these 
tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv without 
sighted assistance.

As for google docks and chrome vox,

  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.

Google are doing some good thigns,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. But 
I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've played with 
the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind people to 
learn a whole different system just because they can..
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
So how good is chrome vox?

And is there a cost to get access to it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already been 
addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google on 
using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for the 
body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to and 
activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut to 
activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure quicknav was 
off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? Or

Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Mary Otten]

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 
inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you 
have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any 
point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the 
Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on 
the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on 
a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. 
But to each their own.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
>  
> However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to 
> change my mind.
>  
> I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
> changing my mind,
>  
> Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
> Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as 
> well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in 
> these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv 
> without sighted assistance.
>  
> As for google docks and chrome vox,
>  
>   This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
> suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.
>  
> Google are doing some good thigns,
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
> resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
> play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
> Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
> lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
> HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. 
> But I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've 
> played with the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind 
> people to learn a whole different system just because they can..
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So how good is chrome vox?
>  
> And is there a cost to get access to it?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>  
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  wrote:
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google 
> on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for 
> the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to 
> and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut 
> to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure 
> quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? 
> Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Donna Goodin]

I agree with Mary completely, here.  Google seems to think it's fine to ignore 
standard conventions, and make blind users learn their system.  I don't 
consider that acceptable.  While it's true that different OSes have different 
key commands, Google refuses to utilize the existing structure of the OS, 
making users learn a whole new set of commands to accommodate them.  For as 
long as I have the choice to do so, I will refuse to use Google for that reason 
alone.  I realize that they don't care about my small protest, but I will do it 
anyway, and will continue to mark them down for accessibility.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
> resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
> play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
> Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
> lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
> HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. 
> But I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've 
> played with the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind 
> people to learn a whole different system just because they can..
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
>> So how good is chrome vox?
>>  
>> And is there a cost to get access to it?
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>>  
>> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
>> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
>>  
>> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn>
>> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>>  
>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola > <mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
>> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from 
>> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit 
>> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. 
>> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and 
>> then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. 
>> I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What 
>> am I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,

However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change 
my mind.

I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
changing my mind,

Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as well 
as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in these 
tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv without 
sighted assistance.

As for google docks and chrome vox,

  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.

Google are doing some good thigns,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. But 
I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've played with 
the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind people to 
learn a whole different system just because they can..
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
So how good is chrome vox?

And is there a cost to get access to it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already been 
addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google on 
using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for the 
body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to and 
activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut to 
activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure quicknav was 
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Mary Otten]

There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. But 
I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've played with 
the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind people to 
learn a whole different system just because they can..
Mary


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> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So how good is chrome vox?
>  
> And is there a cost to get access to it?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>  
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  wrote:
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google 
> on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for 
> the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to 
> and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut 
> to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure 
> quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? 
> Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

So how good is chrome vox?

And is there a cost to get access to it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already been 
addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google on 
using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for the 
body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to and 
activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut to 
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201?hl=en

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM Matthew Dyer 
wrote:

> Is there a set of command keys someware to work with chromevox.  I would
> like to take a good luck at this.
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
> On 12/28/2016 01:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
>
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
> wrote:
>
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from
> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit
> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title.
> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Matthew Dyer]

Is there a set of command keys someware to work with chromevox. I would 
like to take a good luck at this.



Matthew




On 12/28/2016 01:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola > wrote:


Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's
already been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help
information from google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I
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the field for giving it a title. Navigating to and activating a
menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut to
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  wrote:

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> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit
> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title.
> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and
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Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kat DeNicola]

Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from 
google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit 
field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. 
Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and 
then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. 
I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What 
am I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway?

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