Re: VO support for FireFox.
Yes, I consider it an experiment and adventure at this point. Let's hope for accessibility more often than not. Teresa "Visualize whirled peas." On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > Yup, just tried it and they broke something. All I could reach was the full > screen button, close button etc. in the window chrome and none of the actual > browser controls or content. That's part of the fun in playing with nightly > builds. Some days you get the latest hot new features and other days you get > the latest hot new bugs. > > CB > > On 6/18/12 3:07 PM, Daniel McGee wrote: >> Hi all, I've downloaded the latest nightly build of firefox which in my case >> is 16.0a1 but for reasons unknown it doesn't contain the voiceover support. >> My point that I'm trying to make is that I red somewhere from the firefox >> nightly that had support for VO was meant to be included by default from >> that version onwards. I tried downloading the one that had this support >> again but the link appears to of broken. >> >> Can anyone download the latest version and comferm that the voiceover >> support is missing? >> >> I'm dissapointed. Sad smile. >> >> Daniel >> On 18 Jun 2012, at 16:08, Chris Blouch wrote: >> >>> For real information I suggest you keep tabs on the developer's blog here: >>> >>> http://www.marcozehe.de/ >>> >>> although there hasn't been much since his April 30 post about VO being in >>> the nightly builds of Firefox: >>> >>> http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/04/30/initial-voiceover-support-now-in-firefox-nightly-builds-for-mac-os-x/ >>> >>> he does mention an OSX accessibility meta bug which has all the known >>> issues attached to it so you can add more and/or read about the current >>> state of things here: >>> >>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=342989&hide_resolved=1 >>> >>> CB >>> >>> On 6/16/12 7:57 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: that is typical of mozilla and their software for OS X. I have sent them lots of email explaining why they *NEED* to make firefox accessible on the OS X platform and all I get back anymore is the canned response about thanking me for my input, yadda yadda yadda.. incidentally, I have been doing this for slightly more than 3 years. the first couple of times, I actually had a human respond to me about keeping a separate code base, seeking access to apple's entire source tree, etc. it really does look like they won't do much unless they can get unfettered access to apple's source tree. apple did publish their API standards and that is all they are required to do. I think it is also that they want to use Apple's development environment without paying for the privilege (it is not free, but the price is still cheap enough that I can afford it). It seems to me that mozilla needs to hear from every blind/VI user of OS X (and not just by email). -eric On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > Hi all. > I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that > this was supposed to be at least partly accessible. > Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing > something wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, > nothing. All I see are buttons for close, full screen and zoom. > Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this. > Matthew Campbell. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at h
Re: VO support for FireFox.
Yup, just tried it and they broke something. All I could reach was the full screen button, close button etc. in the window chrome and none of the actual browser controls or content. That's part of the fun in playing with nightly builds. Some days you get the latest hot new features and other days you get the latest hot new bugs. CB On 6/18/12 3:07 PM, Daniel McGee wrote: Hi all, I've downloaded the latest nightly build of firefox which in my case is 16.0a1 but for reasons unknown it doesn't contain the voiceover support. My point that I'm trying to make is that I red somewhere from the firefox nightly that had support for VO was meant to be included by default from that version onwards. I tried downloading the one that had this support again but the link appears to of broken. Can anyone download the latest version and comferm that the voiceover support is missing? I'm dissapointed. Sad smile. Daniel On 18 Jun 2012, at 16:08, Chris Blouch wrote: For real information I suggest you keep tabs on the developer's blog here: http://www.marcozehe.de/ although there hasn't been much since his April 30 post about VO being in the nightly builds of Firefox: http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/04/30/initial-voiceover-support-now-in-firefox-nightly-builds-for-mac-os-x/ he does mention an OSX accessibility meta bug which has all the known issues attached to it so you can add more and/or read about the current state of things here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=342989&hide_resolved=1 CB On 6/16/12 7:57 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: that is typical of mozilla and their software for OS X. I have sent them lots of email explaining why they *NEED* to make firefox accessible on the OS X platform and all I get back anymore is the canned response about thanking me for my input, yadda yadda yadda.. incidentally, I have been doing this for slightly more than 3 years. the first couple of times, I actually had a human respond to me about keeping a separate code base, seeking access to apple's entire source tree, etc. it really does look like they won't do much unless they can get unfettered access to apple's source tree. apple did publish their API standards and that is all they are required to do. I think it is also that they want to use Apple's development environment without paying for the privilege (it is not free, but the price is still cheap enough that I can afford it). It seems to me that mozilla needs to hear from every blind/VI user of OS X (and not just by email). -eric On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hi all. I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that this was supposed to be at least partly accessible. Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing something wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, nothing. All I see are buttons for close, full screen and zoom. Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO support for FireFox.
Hi. This is exactly the same issue I brought up over the weekend. Not entirely sure what's going on here. On 2012-06-18, at 3:07 PM, Daniel McGee wrote: > Hi all, I've downloaded the latest nightly build of firefox which in my case > is 16.0a1 but for reasons unknown it doesn't contain the voiceover support. > My point that I'm trying to make is that I red somewhere from the firefox > nightly that had support for VO was meant to be included by default from that > version onwards. I tried downloading the one that had this support again but > the link appears to of broken. > > Can anyone download the latest version and comferm that the voiceover support > is missing? > > I'm dissapointed. Sad smile. > > Daniel > On 18 Jun 2012, at 16:08, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> For real information I suggest you keep tabs on the developer's blog here: >> >> http://www.marcozehe.de/ >> >> although there hasn't been much since his April 30 post about VO being in >> the nightly builds of Firefox: >> >> http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/04/30/initial-voiceover-support-now-in-firefox-nightly-builds-for-mac-os-x/ >> >> he does mention an OSX accessibility meta bug which has all the known issues >> attached to it so you can add more and/or read about the current state of >> things here: >> >> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=342989&hide_resolved=1 >> >> CB >> >> On 6/16/12 7:57 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>> that is typical of mozilla and their software for OS X. I have sent them >>> lots of email explaining why they *NEED* to make firefox accessible on the >>> OS X platform and all I get back anymore is the canned response about >>> thanking me for my input, yadda yadda yadda.. incidentally, I have been >>> doing this for slightly more than 3 years. the first couple of times, I >>> actually had a human respond to me about keeping a separate code base, >>> seeking access to apple's entire source tree, etc. it really does look like >>> they won't do much unless they can get unfettered access to apple's source >>> tree. apple did publish their API standards and that is all they are >>> required to do. I think it is also that they want to use Apple's >>> development environment without paying for the privilege (it is not free, >>> but the price is still cheap enough that I can afford it). >>> >>> It seems to me that mozilla needs to hear from every blind/VI user of OS X >>> (and not just by email). >>> >>> -eric >>> >>> On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: >>> Hi all. I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that this was supposed to be at least partly accessible. Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing something wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, nothing. All I see are buttons for close, full screen and zoom. Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO support for FireFox.
Hi all, I've downloaded the latest nightly build of firefox which in my case is 16.0a1 but for reasons unknown it doesn't contain the voiceover support. My point that I'm trying to make is that I red somewhere from the firefox nightly that had support for VO was meant to be included by default from that version onwards. I tried downloading the one that had this support again but the link appears to of broken. Can anyone download the latest version and comferm that the voiceover support is missing? I'm dissapointed. Sad smile. Daniel On 18 Jun 2012, at 16:08, Chris Blouch wrote: > For real information I suggest you keep tabs on the developer's blog here: > > http://www.marcozehe.de/ > > although there hasn't been much since his April 30 post about VO being in the > nightly builds of Firefox: > > http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/04/30/initial-voiceover-support-now-in-firefox-nightly-builds-for-mac-os-x/ > > he does mention an OSX accessibility meta bug which has all the known issues > attached to it so you can add more and/or read about the current state of > things here: > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=342989&hide_resolved=1 > > CB > > On 6/16/12 7:57 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >> that is typical of mozilla and their software for OS X. I have sent them >> lots of email explaining why they *NEED* to make firefox accessible on the >> OS X platform and all I get back anymore is the canned response about >> thanking me for my input, yadda yadda yadda.. incidentally, I have been >> doing this for slightly more than 3 years. the first couple of times, I >> actually had a human respond to me about keeping a separate code base, >> seeking access to apple's entire source tree, etc. it really does look like >> they won't do much unless they can get unfettered access to apple's source >> tree. apple did publish their API standards and that is all they are >> required to do. I think it is also that they want to use Apple's >> development environment without paying for the privilege (it is not free, >> but the price is still cheap enough that I can afford it). >> >> It seems to me that mozilla needs to hear from every blind/VI user of OS X >> (and not just by email). >> >> -eric >> >> On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: >> >>> Hi all. >>> I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that >>> this was supposed to be at least partly accessible. >>> Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing >>> something wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, nothing. >>> All I see are buttons for close, full screen and zoom. >>> Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this. >>> Matthew Campbell. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO support for FireFox.
For real information I suggest you keep tabs on the developer's blog here: http://www.marcozehe.de/ although there hasn't been much since his April 30 post about VO being in the nightly builds of Firefox: http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/04/30/initial-voiceover-support-now-in-firefox-nightly-builds-for-mac-os-x/ he does mention an OSX accessibility meta bug which has all the known issues attached to it so you can add more and/or read about the current state of things here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=342989&hide_resolved=1 CB On 6/16/12 7:57 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: that is typical of mozilla and their software for OS X. I have sent them lots of email explaining why they *NEED* to make firefox accessible on the OS X platform and all I get back anymore is the canned response about thanking me for my input, yadda yadda yadda.. incidentally, I have been doing this for slightly more than 3 years. the first couple of times, I actually had a human respond to me about keeping a separate code base, seeking access to apple's entire source tree, etc. it really does look like they won't do much unless they can get unfettered access to apple's source tree. apple did publish their API standards and that is all they are required to do. I think it is also that they want to use Apple's development environment without paying for the privilege (it is not free, but the price is still cheap enough that I can afford it). It seems to me that mozilla needs to hear from every blind/VI user of OS X (and not just by email). -eric On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hi all. I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that this was supposed to be at least partly accessible. Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing something wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, nothing. All I see are buttons for close, full screen and zoom. Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO support for FireFox.
that is typical of mozilla and their software for OS X. I have sent them lots of email explaining why they *NEED* to make firefox accessible on the OS X platform and all I get back anymore is the canned response about thanking me for my input, yadda yadda yadda.. incidentally, I have been doing this for slightly more than 3 years. the first couple of times, I actually had a human respond to me about keeping a separate code base, seeking access to apple's entire source tree, etc. it really does look like they won't do much unless they can get unfettered access to apple's source tree. apple did publish their API standards and that is all they are required to do. I think it is also that they want to use Apple's development environment without paying for the privilege (it is not free, but the price is still cheap enough that I can afford it). It seems to me that mozilla needs to hear from every blind/VI user of OS X (and not just by email). -eric On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > Hi all. > I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that this > was supposed to be at least partly accessible. > Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing something > wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, nothing. All I see > are buttons for close, full screen and zoom. > Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this. > Matthew Campbell. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO support for FireFox.
Just to be doubly sure: http://nightly.mozilla.org/ There should be a lot more accessibility than what you're experiencing. I was even able to get WebVisum running and solve captchas with it. It's not very nimble at this point, and the state of checkboxes isn't announced, but it's very useful for solving captchas. HtH, Teresa interesting to play with, and certainly useful for solving cap"The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > Hi all. > I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that this > was supposed to be at least partly accessible. > Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing something > wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, nothing. All I see > are buttons for close, full screen and zoom. > Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this. > Matthew Campbell. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
VO support for FireFox.
Hi all. I'm messing around with the nightly build of FireFox. I understood that this was supposed to be at least partly accessible. Seems to me that it's just as bad as it ever was. Might I be doing something wrong? I don't see any HTML area, toolbar, scroll area, nothing. All I see are buttons for close, full screen and zoom. Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
