anyone tried quicknav?
hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard? If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: anyone tried quicknav?
Will, you interact by pressing down and right arrow together. On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:04 AM, william lomas wrote: hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard? If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: anyone tried quicknav?
Will, QuickNav is one of my favorite features of Snow Leopard. I discuss this in my review on Lioncourt.com, but essentially, Left/Right arrows toggle QuickNav on and off. Down-Right interacts. Down-Left stops interacting. Up-Down clicks an item, same as VO-Space. HTH. On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:04 AM, william lomas wrote: hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard? If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: anyone tried quicknav?
hi josh but as stated in article, its limitations are present so you can't go to the doc with this feature etc etc? so you would still need to use the VO keys to accomplish tasks like links lists, etc On 28 Aug 2009, at 16:27, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Will, QuickNav is one of my favorite features of Snow Leopard. I discuss this in my review on Lioncourt.com, but essentially, Left/Right arrows toggle QuickNav on and off. Down-Right interacts. Down-Left stops interacting. Up-Down clicks an item, same as VO-Space. HTH. On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:04 AM, william lomas wrote: hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard? If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: anyone tried quicknav?
hi steve it is just like having control and option locked now though as in leopard so doubt i'd need it On 28 Aug 2009, at 17:22, Steven M. Sawczyn wrote: I've used it, you use different combinations of the arrow keys to interact, ETC... Steve On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:04 AM, william lomas wrote: hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard? If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: anyone tried quicknav?
Apparently from what I've read, when QuickNav is turned on, pressing the down arrow to interact with an element or item assumes that you are already holding down the VO keys. It's like a hot key for interacting when Quick Nav is on. But of course others who are using SL would be better placed to extole its virtues. Should be getting my new Mac in a few weeks along with a shiny copy of SL but I will wait a while before upgrading until all the apps i use are SL compliant . - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind disc...@macvisionaries.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: anyone tried quicknav? hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard? If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: anyone tried quicknav?
Hi Will, There is a huge difference between having the VO keys locked, and using the QuickNav feature. When VO keys are locked, you do not have access to the keyboard for normal use, and you will need to hold the shift key to interact and stop interacting. With QuickNav on, you can do it all with only the arrow keys by pressing different combinations of them, and you still have full access to your keyboard for texting and commands. Also, by still only using the QuickNav keys, you can switch the rotor status and jump between different items in the same category. The rotor status can be set to heading, links, frames etc. etc. and can be fully browsed by pressing VO-U. In QuickNav, you select rotor status with arrow up plus left or right arrow. After this, you jump with the up and down arrow. For example: Press left and up arrow at the same time until you hear Heading, then down arrow until you hear the heading you want, right arrow to see what the body text sounds like, arrow down to next heading if you like etc. This was all about using it on the web, but if you are in a text document, changing the rotor switches you between words, letters and plain navigation. HOpe this helps, John André Den 28. aug. 2009 kl. 21.00 skrev william lomas: hi steve it is just like having control and option locked now though as in leopard so doubt i'd need it On 28 Aug 2009, at 17:22, Steven M. Sawczyn wrote: I've used it, you use different combinations of the arrow keys to interact, ETC... Steve On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:04 AM, william lomas wrote: hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard? If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: anyone tried quicknav?
Haven't tried it myself yet, but according to the review I just read: hit left and right arrows together to enable or disable quick nav, once enabled, arrow keys alone act as if VO keys are being held down, Hit down and right arrows together to interact, Hit down and left arrows together to end interaction, Hit up and down arrows together to perform the standard action on any control. If it's as well implimented as I'm hoping, I have a feeling this is how I'll be doing 80% of my navigation from now on. One handed, simple, hats off to Apple for a good idea. On 8/28/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard? If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: anyone tried quicknav?
A little correction Scott; when QuickNav is enabled, up and down takes you between the items that matches the category you have set with the rotor. Left and right takes you left or right on the screen. It works similar as on an iPHone. Left and right is like flicking left and right with one finger, up and down is like flicking up and down between web items or Words/letters with one finger. Take care, John André Den 28. aug. 2009 kl. 17.26 skrev Scott Chesworth: Haven't tried it myself yet, but according to the review I just read: hit left and right arrows together to enable or disable quick nav, once enabled, arrow keys alone act as if VO keys are being held down, Hit down and right arrows together to interact, Hit down and left arrows together to end interaction, Hit up and down arrows together to perform the standard action on any control. If it's as well implimented as I'm hoping, I have a feeling this is how I'll be doing 80% of my navigation from now on. One handed, simple, hats off to Apple for a good idea. On 8/28/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard? If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: anyone tried quicknav?
ah wow thanks for this now it does sound appealing! lol On 28 Aug 2009, at 20:43, John André Netland wrote: Hi Will, There is a huge difference between having the VO keys locked, and using the QuickNav feature. When VO keys are locked, you do not have access to the keyboard for normal use, and you will need to hold the shift key to interact and stop interacting. With QuickNav on, you can do it all with only the arrow keys by pressing different combinations of them, and you still have full access to your keyboard for texting and commands. Also, by still only using the QuickNav keys, you can switch the rotor status and jump between different items in the same category. The rotor status can be set to heading, links, frames etc. etc. and can be fully browsed by pressing VO-U. In QuickNav, you select rotor status with arrow up plus left or right arrow. After this, you jump with the up and down arrow. For example: Press left and up arrow at the same time until you hear Heading, then down arrow until you hear the heading you want, right arrow to see what the body text sounds like, arrow down to next heading if you like etc. This was all about using it on the web, but if you are in a text document, changing the rotor switches you between words, letters and plain navigation. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: anyone tried quicknav?
Obviously, you can't have every VO command available via just he arrow keys. :) However, you can assign any VO commands to the Numpad, Trackpad, or Keyboard commands in SL. On Aug 28, 2009, at 9:29 AM, william lomas wrote: hi josh but as stated in article, its limitations are present so you can't go to the doc with this feature etc etc? so you would still need to use the VO keys to accomplish tasks like links lists, etc On 28 Aug 2009, at 16:27, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Will, QuickNav is one of my favorite features of Snow Leopard. I discuss this in my review on Lioncourt.com, but essentially, Left/Right arrows toggle QuickNav on and off. Down-Right interacts. Down-Left stops interacting. Up-Down clicks an item, same as VO-Space. HTH. On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:04 AM, william lomas wrote: hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard? If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: anyone tried quicknav?
Just finished installing our snowy buddy here, quick nav has been the first thing I've toyed with, and Josh is so right to be as enthusiastic as he is in the review. This is probably the neatest peace of usability I've seen from Apple so far! Totally simple to learn, and faster to navigate and explore pretty much any screen than I initially thoughtit would be. Whoever had the idea is onto something good and no mistaking it. Wew, not like me to have bursts of optomism like that. I'm off for a sit down lol. On 8/28/09, Josh de Lioncourt overl...@lioncourt.com wrote: Obviously, you can't have every VO command available via just he arrow keys. :) However, you can assign any VO commands to the Numpad, Trackpad, or Keyboard commands in SL. On Aug 28, 2009, at 9:29 AM, william lomas wrote: hi josh but as stated in article, its limitations are present so you can't go to the doc with this feature etc etc? so you would still need to use the VO keys to accomplish tasks like links lists, etc On 28 Aug 2009, at 16:27, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: Will, QuickNav is one of my favorite features of Snow Leopard. I discuss this in my review on Lioncourt.com, but essentially, Left/Right arrows toggle QuickNav on and off. Down-Right interacts. Down-Left stops interacting. Up-Down clicks an item, same as VO-Space. HTH. On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:04 AM, william lomas wrote: hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard? If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
