Music Notation software

2010-11-13 Thread Joshua Loya
Hello my fellow Mac loving musicians,
What options, if any, are there for music notation software on the Mac? I know 
a lot of sighted people who use Finale, but I haven't messed with it, and I 
haven't touched music notation since I lost my sight, with the exception of a 
very basic primer in braille music. I know that Dancing Dots has some solutions 
on the Windows side, but I would really prefer to keep things Mac centric 
around here.

Thanks,
Joshua

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music notation software

2011-09-18 Thread Yuma Decaux
Hi all,

I've started some intermediate bass lessons, and my teacher asked me to find a 
notation application. I was wondering if sybellius was available for the mac 
and whether it worked?

If not, any good alternative greatly appreciated 

Best regards,

Yuma 


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Re: Music Notation software

2010-11-13 Thread Sarah Alawami
I would also like ot know that. I want to get writing choir music again. I've 
got so much in my head I want to get out there.

S
On Nov 13, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Joshua Loya wrote:

> Hello my fellow Mac loving musicians,
> What options, if any, are there for music notation software on the Mac? I 
> know a lot of sighted people who use Finale, but I haven't messed with it, 
> and I haven't touched music notation since I lost my sight, with the 
> exception of a very basic primer in braille music. I know that Dancing Dots 
> has some solutions on the Windows side, but I would really prefer to keep 
> things Mac centric around here.
> 
> Thanks,
> Joshua
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Re: Music Notation software

2010-11-14 Thread David Hole

Hi folks.
I asked the same question a little month ago, but I didn't get any response.
Maybe anyone have tried Sibelius 6 on the Mac?
Btw, Sarah, which kind of choir music are you into? (You can mail me 
off-list if ye wish :) )

-David

Den 14.11.2010 03:58, skrev Sarah Alawami:

I would also like ot know that. I want to get writing choir music again. I've 
got so much in my head I want to get out there.

S
On Nov 13, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Joshua Loya wrote:


Hello my fellow Mac loving musicians,
What options, if any, are there for music notation software on the Mac? I know 
a lot of sighted people who use Finale, but I haven't messed with it, and I 
haven't touched music notation since I lost my sight, with the exception of a 
very basic primer in braille music. I know that Dancing Dots has some solutions 
on the Windows side, but I would really prefer to keep things Mac centric 
around here.

Thanks,
Joshua

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Re: Music Notation software

2010-11-14 Thread Sarah Alawami
I've also asked the midi mag list and no one can come up with a solution. You 
can't be telling me I have to go back to windows to write especially since I 
lost my midi drives for my old oxygen keyboard.

S
On Nov 14, 2010, at 6:20 AM, David Hole wrote:

> Hi folks.
> I asked the same question a little month ago, but I didn't get any response.
> Maybe anyone have tried Sibelius 6 on the Mac?
> Btw, Sarah, which kind of choir music are you into? (You can mail me off-list 
> if ye wish :) )
> -David
> 
> Den 14.11.2010 03:58, skrev Sarah Alawami:
>> I would also like ot know that. I want to get writing choir music again. 
>> I've got so much in my head I want to get out there.
>> 
>> S
>> On Nov 13, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Joshua Loya wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello my fellow Mac loving musicians,
>>> What options, if any, are there for music notation software on the Mac? I 
>>> know a lot of sighted people who use Finale, but I haven't messed with it, 
>>> and I haven't touched music notation since I lost my sight, with the 
>>> exception of a very basic primer in braille music. I know that Dancing Dots 
>>> has some solutions on the Windows side, but I would really prefer to keep 
>>> things Mac centric around here.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joshua
>>> 
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Re: Music Notation software

2010-11-14 Thread Slau Halatyn
Even on the windows side of things, dancing Dots no longer develops the scripts 
for Sibelius which is now up to version 6. The last accessible version through 
scripts was for version 3.x. There was someone developing open source scripts 
for version 5 but I'm not sure where that currently stands. Notation is 
especially difficult to deal with from an accessibility standpoint. What made 
it a bit easier in sibelius was the fact that there was a sort of control panel 
that displayed all of the parameters for the current note position, that is, 
pitch, duration, position in measure, articulation,etc. What made it possible 
to have JaWS speak the various parameters was, of course, the scripting. 
Unfortunately, the whole success rested on having all the windows positioned 
just so and if anything was moved or out of place, there would be errors. Also, 
if a new version came out, many things were broken and people were chronically 
left behind in terms of versions.

I have to say, it's one of those things that's sorely missing for blind users 
in general but especially on the Mac side of things.

Slau

On Nov 14, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I've also asked the midi mag list and no one can come up with a solution. You 
> can't be telling me I have to go back to windows to write especially since I 
> lost my midi drives for my old oxygen keyboard.
> 
> S
> On Nov 14, 2010, at 6:20 AM, David Hole wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks.
>> I asked the same question a little month ago, but I didn't get any response.
>> Maybe anyone have tried Sibelius 6 on the Mac?
>> Btw, Sarah, which kind of choir music are you into? (You can mail me 
>> off-list if ye wish :) )
>> -David
>> 
>> Den 14.11.2010 03:58, skrev Sarah Alawami:
>>> I would also like ot know that. I want to get writing choir music again. 
>>> I've got so much in my head I want to get out there.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Nov 13, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Joshua Loya wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello my fellow Mac loving musicians,
>>>> What options, if any, are there for music notation software on the Mac? I 
>>>> know a lot of sighted people who use Finale, but I haven't messed with it, 
>>>> and I haven't touched music notation since I lost my sight, with the 
>>>> exception of a very basic primer in braille music. I know that Dancing 
>>>> Dots has some solutions on the Windows side, but I would really prefer to 
>>>> keep things Mac centric around here.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Joshua
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Re: Music Notation software

2010-11-14 Thread Sarah Alawami
Oh darn! yeah I don't want to sit at a piano and plunk while someone writes. 
lol! If I have to do that I will but Oh well. I hope someone can come up with a 
way maybe to convert midi notes in to sheet music for mac. Is that even 
possible. if that is then maybe you can build a choir song that's not chance 
music out of midi data and have it print out in to pro looking music.

S
On Nov 14, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:

> Even on the windows side of things, dancing Dots no longer develops the 
> scripts for Sibelius which is now up to version 6. The last accessible 
> version through scripts was for version 3.x. There was someone developing 
> open source scripts for version 5 but I'm not sure where that currently 
> stands. Notation is especially difficult to deal with from an accessibility 
> standpoint. What made it a bit easier in sibelius was the fact that there was 
> a sort of control panel that displayed all of the parameters for the current 
> note position, that is, pitch, duration, position in measure, 
> articulation,etc. What made it possible to have JaWS speak the various 
> parameters was, of course, the scripting. Unfortunately, the whole success 
> rested on having all the windows positioned just so and if anything was moved 
> or out of place, there would be errors. Also, if a new version came out, many 
> things were broken and people were chronically left behind in terms of 
> versions.
> 
> I have to say, it's one of those things that's sorely missing for blind users 
> in general but especially on the Mac side of things.
> 
> Slau
> 
> On Nov 14, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I've also asked the midi mag list and no one can come up with a solution. 
>> You can't be telling me I have to go back to windows to write especially 
>> since I lost my midi drives for my old oxygen keyboard.
>> 
>> S
>> On Nov 14, 2010, at 6:20 AM, David Hole wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks.
>>> I asked the same question a little month ago, but I didn't get any response.
>>> Maybe anyone have tried Sibelius 6 on the Mac?
>>> Btw, Sarah, which kind of choir music are you into? (You can mail me 
>>> off-list if ye wish :) )
>>> -David
>>> 
>>> Den 14.11.2010 03:58, skrev Sarah Alawami:
>>>> I would also like ot know that. I want to get writing choir music again. 
>>>> I've got so much in my head I want to get out there.
>>>> 
>>>> S
>>>> On Nov 13, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Joshua Loya wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello my fellow Mac loving musicians,
>>>>> What options, if any, are there for music notation software on the Mac? I 
>>>>> know a lot of sighted people who use Finale, but I haven't messed with 
>>>>> it, and I haven't touched music notation since I lost my sight, with the 
>>>>> exception of a very basic primer in braille music. I know that Dancing 
>>>>> Dots has some solutions on the Windows side, but I would really prefer to 
>>>>> keep things Mac centric around here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Joshua
>>>>> 
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Re: music notation software

2011-09-19 Thread David Hole
Hi.
Yes, Sibelius is available for the Mac, but it anin't accessible.
I sent them a mail regarding that right after the 7.0-release, and
they said accessibility could be added in the future, but it isn't
right now.
-David

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 07:44, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've started some intermediate bass lessons, and my teacher asked me to find 
> a notation application. I was wondering if sybellius was available for the 
> mac and whether it worked?
>
> If not, any good alternative greatly appreciated
>
> Best regards,
>
> Yuma
>
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re: music notation software

2011-09-19 Thread musiclady

I dont think there is any software yet.
Steph



- Original Message -
From: Yuma Decaux I've started some intermediate bass lessons, and my teacher asked 
me to find a notation application.  I was wondering if sybellius 
was available for the mac and whether it worked?


If not, any good alternative greatly appreciated

Best regards,

Yuma


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Re: music notation software

2011-09-19 Thread Ricardo Walker
Wow!

thats a pretty vague comment. lol.  Accessibility could be added in the future? 
 Sure, and the world could stop spinning tomorrow or, the sun decides not to 
rise in the east. :).  That doesn't sound encouraging. 

Ricardo Walker
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On Sep 19, 2011, at 3:19 AM, David Hole wrote:

> Hi.
> Yes, Sibelius is available for the Mac, but it anin't accessible.
> I sent them a mail regarding that right after the 7.0-release, and
> they said accessibility could be added in the future, but it isn't
> right now.
> -David
> 
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 07:44, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've started some intermediate bass lessons, and my teacher asked me to find 
>> a notation application. I was wondering if sybellius was available for the 
>> mac and whether it worked?
>> 
>> If not, any good alternative greatly appreciated
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Yuma
>> 
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Re: music notation software

2011-09-19 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi Guys. 
I know I'm not an expert on braille music, but I can read some of it. I think 
you would need a computer braille option for VoiceOver if you're reading 
braille music. Do I understand it right that you want braille music software? 
Regards, 
Gigi 

On Sep 19, 2011, at 2:23 AM, musiclady wrote:

> I dont think there is any software yet.
> Steph
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Yuma Decaux  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:44:16 +1200
> Subject: music notation software
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've started some intermediate bass lessons, and my teacher asked me to find 
> a notation application.  I was wondering if sybellius was available for the 
> mac and whether it worked?
> 
> If not, any good alternative greatly appreciated
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Yuma
> 
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Re: music notation software

2011-09-19 Thread musiclady

We were refering to a programme for us to write print music.
Steph


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From: Eugenia Firth I know I'm not an expert on braille music, but I can read some of 
it.  I think you would need a computer braille option for 
VoiceOver if you're reading braille music.  Do I understand it 
right that you want braille music software?

Regards,
Gigi

On Sep 19, 2011, at 2:23 AM, musiclady wrote:

I dont think there is any software yet.
Steph



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asked me to find a notation application.  I was wondering if 
sybellius was available for the mac and whether it worked?


If not, any good alternative greatly appreciated

Best regards,

Yuma


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Re: music notation software

2011-09-19 Thread Karen Lewellen
Speaking of which.  Music publisher is supposed to work for mac, not sure 
as to  accessibility though as it is somewhat vague.
As for the program in question, I recall the company is rather cozy with 
freedom scientific / jaws.  Perhaps someone or several someone's should 
document to  them how many customers they would have for the mac, so they 
take the plunge sooner rather than well at the end of time as the  comment 
suggests?
The program in question prints music...period, not just braille.  ooh one 
more option if you are doing Linux as a virtual box.  Lillypond is 
accessible over there.

Hope some of this is helpful,
Karen

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, musiclady wrote:


We were refering to a programme for us to write print music.
Steph


- Original Message -
From: Eugenia Firth I know I'm not an expert on braille music, but I can read some of it.  I 
think you would need a computer braille option for VoiceOver if you're 
reading braille music.  Do I understand it right that you want braille music 
software?

Regards,
Gigi

On Sep 19, 2011, at 2:23 AM, musiclady wrote:

I dont think there is any software yet.
Steph



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From: Yuma Decaux I've started some intermediate bass lessons, and my teacher asked me to find 
a notation application.  I was wondering if sybellius was available for the 
mac and whether it worked?


If not, any good alternative greatly appreciated

Best regards,

Yuma


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Re: music notation software

2011-09-19 Thread Yuma Decaux
Hi All,

Thanks for the suggestions. Will check out music publisher but in the worse 
case i'll have to learn braille notes to get through with my class.

Best regards,

Yuma 

On 20/09/2011, at 11:50 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Speaking of which.  Music publisher is supposed to work for mac, not sure as 
> to  accessibility though as it is somewhat vague.
> As for the program in question, I recall the company is rather cozy with 
> freedom scientific / jaws.  Perhaps someone or several someone's should 
> document to  them how many customers they would have for the mac, so they 
> take the plunge sooner rather than well at the end of time as the  comment 
> suggests?
> The program in question prints music...period, not just braille.  ooh one 
> more option if you are doing Linux as a virtual box.  Lillypond is accessible 
> over there.
> Hope some of this is helpful,
> Karen
> 
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, musiclady wrote:
> 
>> We were refering to a programme for us to write print music.
>> Steph
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Eugenia Firth > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:33:08 -0500
>> Subject: Re: music notation software
>> 
>> Hi Guys.
>> I know I'm not an expert on braille music, but I can read some of it.  I 
>> think you would need a computer braille option for VoiceOver if you're 
>> reading braille music.  Do I understand it right that you want braille music 
>> software?
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 2:23 AM, musiclady wrote:
>> 
>> I dont think there is any software yet.
>> Steph
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Yuma Decaux > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:44:16 +1200
>> Subject: music notation software
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've started some intermediate bass lessons, and my teacher asked me to find 
>> a notation application.  I was wondering if sybellius was available for the 
>> mac and whether it worked?
>> 
>> If not, any good alternative greatly appreciated
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Yuma
>> 
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Re: Music Notation software

2011-12-01 Thread Frank Tom
I'm afraid to say there are no solutions. I can use Sabalius , my spelling is 
wrong, with some vision. However, mos of the buttons are not labeled and I 
could not label them with VO.
On Nov 13, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Joshua Loya wrote:

> Hello my fellow Mac loving musicians,
> What options, if any, are there for music notation software on the Mac? I 
> know a lot of sighted people who use Finale, but I haven't messed with it, 
> and I haven't touched music notation since I lost my sight, with the 
> exception of a very basic primer in braille music. I know that Dancing Dots 
> has some solutions on the Windows side, but I would really prefer to keep 
> things Mac centric around here.
> 
> Thanks,
> Joshua
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Re: Music Notation software

2011-12-01 Thread Karen Lewellen
Each time this question comes up I remind myself to write the creaters of 
Lillypond.  this is a music notation program for Linux, entirely command 
line WITH he goal of creating perfect music arrangements for printing 
sharing and the like.

I keep meaning to ask if there is a mac edition, this time i will find out.
Karen

On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Frank Tom wrote:


I'm afraid to say there are no solutions. I can use Sabalius , my spelling is 
wrong, with some vision. However, mos of the buttons are not labeled and I 
could not label them with VO.
On Nov 13, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Joshua Loya wrote:


Hello my fellow Mac loving musicians,
What options, if any, are there for music notation software on the Mac? I know 
a lot of sighted people who use Finale, but I haven't messed with it, and I 
haven't touched music notation since I lost my sight, with the exception of a 
very basic primer in braille music. I know that Dancing Dots has some solutions 
on the Windows side, but I would really prefer to keep things Mac centric 
around here.

Thanks,
Joshua

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Re: Music Notation software

2011-12-02 Thread Teresa Cochran
Would this help?
http://lilypond.org/macos-x.html

I notice it has both a GUI and a command-line option. I have not used it, so 
explore at your own risk. :)

HTH,
Teresa

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On Dec 1, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Each time this question comes up I remind myself to write the creaters of 
> Lillypond.  this is a music notation program for Linux, entirely command line 
> WITH he goal of creating perfect music arrangements for printing sharing and 
> the like.
> I keep meaning to ask if there is a mac edition, this time i will find out.
> Karen
> 
> On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Frank Tom wrote:
> 
>> I'm afraid to say there are no solutions. I can use Sabalius , my spelling 
>> is wrong, with some vision. However, mos of the buttons are not labeled and 
>> I could not label them with VO.
>> On Nov 13, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Joshua Loya wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello my fellow Mac loving musicians,
>>> What options, if any, are there for music notation software on the Mac? I 
>>> know a lot of sighted people who use Finale, but I haven't messed with it, 
>>> and I haven't touched music notation since I lost my sight, with the 
>>> exception of a very basic primer in braille music. I know that Dancing Dots 
>>> has some solutions on the Windows side, but I would really prefer to keep 
>>> things Mac centric around here.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joshua
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Re: Music Notation software

2011-12-02 Thread Kevin Gibbs
Unfortunately, there are no solutions for Mac.  the most current
solution on the windows side involves scripts that were written for
Sibelius 5.25 by Dan rugman in the UK.  He is supposedly going to
release a set of scripts that work with  several different JAWS
versions.  For the latest information, consult the Sibelius Access
list at www.musicaccess.co.uk.  the Sibelius 5 scripts have been taken
down to make way for the Sibelius 6 scripts.  Again, there are no
solutions for Mac and Voiceover.  You're simply out of luck.  i
wouldn't survive without Sibelius 5.25 on the Windows side and
Sibelius Access Scripts.  Sorry that's the state of things.

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Re: Music Notation software

2011-12-05 Thread Chris Blouch
Interesting. So it's a scripting language for typesetting musical 
scores. Never even knew such a beast existed. Have to send it to a 
friend of mine who teaches piano.


CB

On 12/2/11 5:07 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

Would this help?
http://lilypond.org/macos-x.html

I notice it has both a GUI and a command-line option. I have not used it, so 
explore at your own risk. :)

HTH,
Teresa

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On Dec 1, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Each time this question comes up I remind myself to write the creaters of 
Lillypond.  this is a music notation program for Linux, entirely command line 
WITH he goal of creating perfect music arrangements for printing sharing and 
the like.
I keep meaning to ask if there is a mac edition, this time i will find out.
Karen

On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Frank Tom wrote:


I'm afraid to say there are no solutions. I can use Sabalius , my spelling is 
wrong, with some vision. However, mos of the buttons are not labeled and I 
could not label them with VO.
On Nov 13, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Joshua Loya wrote:


Hello my fellow Mac loving musicians,
What options, if any, are there for music notation software on the Mac? I know 
a lot of sighted people who use Finale, but I haven't messed with it, and I 
haven't touched music notation since I lost my sight, with the exception of a 
very basic primer in braille music. I know that Dancing Dots has some solutions 
on the Windows side, but I would really prefer to keep things Mac centric 
around here.

Thanks,
Joshua

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Finale or other music notation software with voiceover?

2022-05-24 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi folks,
Granted i called makemusic.com, the company behind finale today to ask.
still, my goal involves using my voice for music composing, with my 
wondering if finale, or another music notation program has a good 
voiceover track record?

In theory I might incorporate the daw, how is garage band these days?
Thanks,
Karen




Re: Finale or other music notation software with voiceover?

2022-05-26 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
Karen:

I don't think you'd be doing either Finale or Sibelius on a Mac, with or
without accessibility requirements. Are those applications even
available for Macintosh?

Suggest you look at the announcement from the DAISY Braille Music
Project I just excerpted to this list re Musescore.

Best,

Janina

Karen Lewellen writes:
> Hi folks,
> Granted i called makemusic.com, the company behind finale today to ask.
> still, my goal involves using my voice for music composing, with my
> wondering if finale, or another music notation program has a good voiceover
> track record?
> In theory I might incorporate the daw, how is garage band these days?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 

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Re: Finale or other music notation software with voiceover?

2022-05-26 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi there,
yes, finale  and  the other program you referenced are  available for the 
mac, with  its company makemusic deeply 
interested in improving its accessibility.
They could speak reasonably to what works well in fact, quite a positive 
experience.
no idea why I would consult the source you referenced, I am not a braille 
user, with my goal here being composing via voice.
That being said, I am told by another musician experiencing  blindness 
that exporting 
to braille has been a part of finale.  again cannot speak to this first 
hand, not something I require.

 Best,
Karen



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Karen:

I don't think you'd be doing either Finale or Sibelius on a Mac, with or
without accessibility requirements. Are those applications even
available for Macintosh?

Suggest you look at the announcement from the DAISY Braille Music
Project I just excerpted to this list re Musescore.

Best,

Janina

Karen Lewellen writes:

Hi folks,
Granted i called makemusic.com, the company behind finale today to ask.
still, my goal involves using my voice for music composing, with my
wondering if finale, or another music notation program has a good voiceover
track record?
In theory I might incorporate the daw, how is garage band these days?
Thanks,
Karen



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