Re: reading .brf files on the mac

[Jason White]

Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> Can somebody enlighten me as to how to read .brf files on the mac?
> 
> I thought I could just pull up one in text edit and as long as I was reading 
> with a braille display it’d be fine.

It should be. Do you have Grade II braille translation switched off in
VoiceOver? If not, you'll definitely have unreadable BRF files. You need to be
in computer braille mode.

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reading .brf files on the mac

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
Can somebody enlighten me as to how to read .brf files on the mac?

I thought I could just pull up one in text edit and as long as I was reading 
with a braille display it’d be fine.

I just tried to do this with a file and it was gobbledy gook!

I am using a brilliant bi40.

Thanks!
Caitlyn

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Re: reading .brf files on the mac

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
I’ll go check.  I probably do have grade 2 turned on, so will go change it to 
the computer braille and see if that helps!  thanks!
Caitlyn

> On Sep 13, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Jason White  wrote:
> 
> Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>> Can somebody enlighten me as to how to read .brf files on the mac?
>> 
>> I thought I could just pull up one in text edit and as long as I was reading 
>> with a braille display it’d be fine.
> 
> It should be. Do you have Grade II braille translation switched off in
> VoiceOver? If not, you'll definitely have unreadable BRF files. You need to be
> in computer braille mode.
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Re: Topic: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

Well, I wouldn't know about their IOS app since I use voice dream reader.
and, to each his own, I suppose.  It makes the world go round
Cheers!
Cait

On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:

 Yes, but Bookshare's iOS sucks compared to the BARD app. And who wants to add 
 BRF files from email or dropbox to bard all the time? I'd rather have more 
 NLS books. 
 
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 On Apr 17, 2014, at 17:52, Caitlyn and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Better to help bookshare out, I think.  Their library is already much bigger 
 then the nLS one.
 
 I also belive that NLS has it's own way of increasing it's library, and 
 volunteers submitting material isn't included in it.  I could be badly 
 mistaken, though!
 Cait
 
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 perhaps its time that those of us with braille note taker devices start 
 volunteering some time to getting new braille books submitted to the NLS. 
 the only really bad hitch I see with this is the copyright laws here in the 
 US. If that doesn't turn out to be an issue, then we can all participate in 
 expanding the current library of braille materials from its very low 
 percentage to something far better. My one reason for us doing this is: we 
 need braille literacy and there just isn't enough available materials to go 
 around. The last braille loaner I tried to get from the local talking book 
 library was on backorder for several months. This, among other reasons, is 
 why we need to expand the electronic library versions. Having those files 
 available will mean that one can simply get them printed through a local 
 branch.
 
 anyway, it would be nice to be able to read braille from any document 
 around.
 
 -eric
 
 
 -- 2 of 5 --
 From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 Date: Apr 17 06:12AM -0700
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/1ce6a32a759c493b
 
 If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes 
 sense, since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little 
 more problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 
 4-6 in computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.
 
 Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
 translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
 sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a 
 braille reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other 
 formats than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping 
 brf files in their format and using a Braille display to type in them, 
 rather than back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a 
 braille display.
 
 Teresa
 
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 batsfly...@me.com
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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Devin Prater]

In my experience, it can't work well with italics or any other kind of 
formatting. It only works with plain text files. 

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 On Apr 16, 2014, at 18:49, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/28601/louis
 
 Teresa
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Where do you get Louis?
 jg
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.
 
 NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled and 
 installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are instructions in 
 the readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of command-line. So as for 
 my own situation, I'll probably stick with Louis, as this build of NFBTrans 
 has DOS and unix files all mixed together and needs more tweaking than I 
 know how to do.
 
 Teresa

 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text or 
 text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. I know 
 that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be helpful for 
 other things (including helping the NLS get more braille books).
 
 -eric
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 
 Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
 
 Hi.
 You may want to look at
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
 It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
 braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
 do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
 or quality of the program on the platform.
 Aman
 
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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Teresa Cochran]

If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes sense, 
since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little more 
problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 4-6 in 
computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.

Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a braille 
reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other formats 
than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping brf files in 
their format and using a Braille display to type in them, rather than 
back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a braille display.

Teresa

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On Apr 17, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:

 In my experience, it can't work well with italics or any other kind of 
 formatting. It only works with plain text files. 
 
 Devin Prater
 Sent from my iPod 5.
 iMessage, facebook, and face-time: devinpra...@live.com
 email: d.pra...@me.com
 Google Talk/keychat: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 18:49, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/28601/louis
 
 Teresa
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Where do you get Louis?
 jg
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.
 
 NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled and 
 installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are instructions in 
 the readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of command-line. So as for 
 my own situation, I'll probably stick with Louis, as this build of 
 NFBTrans has DOS and unix files all mixed together and needs more tweaking 
 than I know how to do.
 
 Teresa
 
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text 
 or text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. I 
 know that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be helpful 
 for other things (including helping the NLS get more braille books).
 
 -eric
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 
 Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
 
 Hi.
 You may want to look at
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
 It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
 braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
 do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
 or quality of the program on the platform.
 Aman
 
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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Devin Prater]

Ah, thanks. So how would I convert a pages file to HTML? I didn't think Pages 
could export to HTML. 

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 On Apr 17, 2014, at 8:12, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes 
 sense, since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little more 
 problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 4-6 in 
 computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.
 
 Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
 translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
 sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a 
 braille reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other 
 formats than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping brf 
 files in their format and using a Braille display to type in them, rather 
 than back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a braille 
 display.
 
 Teresa
 
 Teresa Cochran
 batsfly...@me.com
 Facebook
 
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 In my experience, it can't work well with italics or any other kind of 
 formatting. It only works with plain text files. 
 
 Devin Prater
 Sent from my iPod 5.
 iMessage, facebook, and face-time: devinpra...@live.com
 email: d.pra...@me.com
 Google Talk/keychat: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 18:49, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/28601/louis
 
 Teresa
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Where do you get Louis?
 jg
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.
 
 NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled and 
 installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are instructions 
 in the readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of command-line. So as 
 for my own situation, I'll probably stick with Louis, as this build of 
 NFBTrans has DOS and unix files all mixed together and needs more 
 tweaking than I know how to do.
 
 Teresa
 
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text 
 or text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. I 
 know that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be helpful 
 for other things (including helping the NLS get more braille books).
 
 -eric
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 
 Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
 
 Hi.
 You may want to look at
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
 It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
 braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
 do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
 or quality of the program on the platform.
 Aman
 
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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Teresa Cochran]

I haven't actually done that conversion before. Sometimes I convert documents 
by simply pasting text in, but then you lose all your formatting. With things 
like epub or mobi, Calibre command-line can be used.

Teresa

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On Apr 17, 2014, at 6:52 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:

 Ah, thanks. So how would I convert a pages file to HTML? I didn't think Pages 
 could export to HTML. 
 
 Devin Prater
 Sent from my iPod 5.
 iMessage, facebook, and face-time: devinpra...@live.com
 email: d.pra...@me.com
 Google Talk/keychat: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 8:12, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes 
 sense, since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little 
 more problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 4-6 
 in computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.
 
 Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
 translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
 sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a 
 braille reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other 
 formats than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping brf 
 files in their format and using a Braille display to type in them, rather 
 than back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a braille 
 display.
 
 Teresa
 
 Teresa Cochran
 batsfly...@me.com
 Facebook
 
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 In my experience, it can't work well with italics or any other kind of 
 formatting. It only works with plain text files. 
 
 Devin Prater
 Sent from my iPod 5.
 iMessage, facebook, and face-time: devinpra...@live.com
 email: d.pra...@me.com
 Google Talk/keychat: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 18:49, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/28601/louis
 
 Teresa
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Where do you get Louis?
 jg
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.
 
 NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled 
 and installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are 
 instructions in the readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of 
 command-line. So as for my own situation, I'll probably stick with 
 Louis, as this build of NFBTrans has DOS and unix files all mixed 
 together and needs more tweaking than I know how to do.
 
 Teresa
 
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text 
 or text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. 
 I know that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be 
 helpful for other things (including helping the NLS get more braille 
 books).
 
 -eric
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 
 Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
 
 Hi.
 You may want to look at
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
 It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
 braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
 do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
 or quality of the program on the platform.
 Aman
 
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re:Topic: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Eric Oyen]

perhaps its time that those of us with braille note taker devices start 
volunteering some time to getting new braille books submitted to the NLS. the 
only really bad hitch I see with this is the copyright laws here in the US. If 
that doesn't turn out to be an issue, then we can all participate in expanding 
the current library of braille materials from its very low percentage to 
something far better. My one reason for us doing this is: we need braille 
literacy and there just isn't enough available materials to go around. The last 
braille loaner I tried to get from the local talking book library was on 
backorder for several months. This, among other reasons, is why we need to 
expand the electronic library versions. Having those files available will mean 
that one can simply get them printed through a local branch.

anyway, it would be nice to be able to read braille from any document around.

-eric


-- 2 of 5 --
From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
Date: Apr 17 06:12AM -0700
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/1ce6a32a759c493b

If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes sense, 
since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little more 
problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 4-6 in 
computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.

Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a braille 
reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other formats 
than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping brf files in 
their format and using a Braille display to type in them, rather than 
back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a braille display.

Teresa

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Re: Topic: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

Better to help bookshare out, I think.  Their library is already much bigger 
then the nLS one.

I also belive that NLS has it's own way of increasing it's library, and 
volunteers submitting material isn't included in it.  I could be badly 
mistaken, though!
Cait

On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:

 perhaps its time that those of us with braille note taker devices start 
 volunteering some time to getting new braille books submitted to the NLS. the 
 only really bad hitch I see with this is the copyright laws here in the US. 
 If that doesn't turn out to be an issue, then we can all participate in 
 expanding the current library of braille materials from its very low 
 percentage to something far better. My one reason for us doing this is: we 
 need braille literacy and there just isn't enough available materials to go 
 around. The last braille loaner I tried to get from the local talking book 
 library was on backorder for several months. This, among other reasons, is 
 why we need to expand the electronic library versions. Having those files 
 available will mean that one can simply get them printed through a local 
 branch.
 
 anyway, it would be nice to be able to read braille from any document around.
 
 -eric
 
 
 -- 2 of 5 --
 From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 Date: Apr 17 06:12AM -0700
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/1ce6a32a759c493b
 
 If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes 
 sense, since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little more 
 problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 4-6 in 
 computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.
 
 Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
 translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
 sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a 
 braille reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other 
 formats than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping brf 
 files in their format and using a Braille display to type in them, rather 
 than back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a braille 
 display.
 
 Teresa
 
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 batsfly...@me.com
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Re: Topic: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Devin Prater]

Yes, but Bookshare's iOS sucks compared to the BARD app. And who wants to add 
BRF files from email or dropbox to bard all the time? I'd rather have more NLS 
books. 

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 On Apr 17, 2014, at 17:52, Caitlyn and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Better to help bookshare out, I think.  Their library is already much bigger 
 then the nLS one.
 
 I also belive that NLS has it's own way of increasing it's library, and 
 volunteers submitting material isn't included in it.  I could be badly 
 mistaken, though!
 Cait
 
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 perhaps its time that those of us with braille note taker devices start 
 volunteering some time to getting new braille books submitted to the NLS. 
 the only really bad hitch I see with this is the copyright laws here in the 
 US. If that doesn't turn out to be an issue, then we can all participate in 
 expanding the current library of braille materials from its very low 
 percentage to something far better. My one reason for us doing this is: we 
 need braille literacy and there just isn't enough available materials to go 
 around. The last braille loaner I tried to get from the local talking book 
 library was on backorder for several months. This, among other reasons, is 
 why we need to expand the electronic library versions. Having those files 
 available will mean that one can simply get them printed through a local 
 branch.
 
 anyway, it would be nice to be able to read braille from any document around.
 
 -eric
 
 
 -- 2 of 5 --
 From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 Date: Apr 17 06:12AM -0700
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/1ce6a32a759c493b
 
 If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes 
 sense, since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little 
 more problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 4-6 
 in computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.
 
 Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
 translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
 sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a 
 braille reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other 
 formats than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping brf 
 files in their format and using a Braille display to type in them, rather 
 than back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a braille 
 display.
 
 Teresa
 
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 batsfly...@me.com
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Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Eric Oyen]

can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text or text 
PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. I know that the 
U2 can read text files directly, but it would be helpful for other things 
(including helping the NLS get more braille books).

-eric

On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

 
 Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
 
 Hi.
 You may want to look at
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
 It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
 braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
 do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
 or quality of the program on the platform.
 Aman

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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Teresa Cochran]

Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.

NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled and 
installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are instructions in the 
readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of command-line. So as for my own 
situation, I'll probably stick with Louis, as this build of NFBTrans has DOS 
and unix files all mixed together and needs more tweaking than I know how to do.

Teresa

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On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:

 can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text or 
 text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. I know 
 that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be helpful for other 
 things (including helping the NLS get more braille books).
 
 -eric
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 
 Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
 
 Hi.
 You may want to look at
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
 It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
 braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
 do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
 or quality of the program on the platform.
 Aman
 
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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Jim Gatteys]

Where do you get Louis?
jg

On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.
 
 NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled and 
 installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are instructions in 
 the readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of command-line. So as for my 
 own situation, I'll probably stick with Louis, as this build of NFBTrans has 
 DOS and unix files all mixed together and needs more tweaking than I know how 
 to do.
 
 Teresa
   
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text or 
 text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. I know 
 that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be helpful for other 
 things (including helping the NLS get more braille books).
 
 -eric
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 
 Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
 
 Hi.
 You may want to look at
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
 It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
 braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
 do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
 or quality of the program on the platform.
 Aman
 
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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Teresa Cochran]

https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/28601/louis

Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Where do you get Louis?
 jg
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.
 
 NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled and 
 installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are instructions in 
 the readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of command-line. So as for 
 my own situation, I'll probably stick with Louis, as this build of NFBTrans 
 has DOS and unix files all mixed together and needs more tweaking than I 
 know how to do.
 
 Teresa
  
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text or 
 text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. I know 
 that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be helpful for other 
 things (including helping the NLS get more braille books).
 
 -eric
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 
 Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
 
 Hi.
 You may want to look at
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
 It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
 braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
 do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
 or quality of the program on the platform.
 Aman
 
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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

[Jim Gatteys]

thanks
jg

On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/28601/louis
 
 Teresa
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Where do you get Louis?
 jg
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.
 
 NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled and 
 installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are instructions in 
 the readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of command-line. So as for 
 my own situation, I'll probably stick with Louis, as this build of NFBTrans 
 has DOS and unix files all mixed together and needs more tweaking than I 
 know how to do.
 
 Teresa
 
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text or 
 text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. I know 
 that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be helpful for 
 other things (including helping the NLS get more braille books).
 
 -eric
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 
 Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
 
 Hi.
 You may want to look at
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
 It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
 braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
 do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
 or quality of the program on the platform.
 Aman
 
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reading brf files on the mac

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

I have a bunch of brf files that I'd like to read on my mac.

How do I do this?  Can I just open them up in text edit?
thanks!
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Re: reading brf files on the mac

[Teresa Cochran]

Yes, you can. You can only read them on a Braille display, as speech will be 
gibberish. Also, brf files are all upper-case, so you might want to take the 
dot-7 characters out. If you choose to do this, select all text, go into the 
edit menu, choose transformations, and choose lower case. Another issue with 
many brf files is that the carriage returns and line feeds are visible, and 
since the lines are only 40 characters long for Braille formatting, this can be 
a pain. I've tried removing the carriage returns, but then lose my natural line 
endings. anyway, there's a certain amount of tweaking that will not create 
perfection, but will allow you to choose the way you want it displayed.

HtH,
teresa

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 I have a bunch of brf files that I'd like to read on my mac.
 
 How do I do this?  Can I just open them up in text edit?
 thanks!
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Re: reading brf files on the mac

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

Teresa,
thanks so much!
Since I have a pile of these, it's nice to know that I will be able to read 
them now!
I am loving the brilliant!
Cait

On Apr 15, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 Yes, you can. You can only read them on a Braille display, as speech will be 
 gibberish. Also, brf files are all upper-case, so you might want to take the 
 dot-7 characters out. If you choose to do this, select all text, go into the 
 edit menu, choose transformations, and choose lower case. Another issue with 
 many brf files is that the carriage returns and line feeds are visible, and 
 since the lines are only 40 characters long for Braille formatting, this can 
 be a pain. I've tried removing the carriage returns, but then lose my natural 
 line endings. anyway, there's a certain amount of tweaking that will not 
 create perfection, but will allow you to choose the way you want it displayed.
 
 HtH,
 teresa
   
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Apr 15, 2014, at 7:12 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have a bunch of brf files that I'd like to read on my mac.
 
 How do I do this?  Can I just open them up in text edit?
 thanks!
 Cait
 
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Re: reading brf files on the mac

[Aman Singer]

Hi.
You may want to look at
http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
or quality of the program on the platform.
Aman

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 I have a bunch of brf files that I'd like to read on my mac.

 How do I do this?  Can I just open them up in text edit?
 thanks!
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Re: reading brf files on the mac

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

thanks for this resource!
I know of NFB trans, but didn't know it was available for the mac.
Cait

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 Hi.
 You may want to look at
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
 It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
 braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
 do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
 or quality of the program on the platform.
 Aman
 
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Re: reading brf files on the mac

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Thanks for this. I used to use it a long time ago in Windows.

teresa

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On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 thanks for this resource!
 I know of NFB trans, but didn't know it was available for the mac.
 Cait
 
 On Apr 15, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi.
 You may want to look at
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
 It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
 braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
 do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
 or quality of the program on the platform.
 Aman
 
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 How do I do this?  Can I just open them up in text edit?
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Re: reading brf files on the mac

[Teresa Cochran]

I forgot one preparatory step for opening files in textEdit. Since the brf file 
is already translated, turn grade two translation off. It's only useful if 
you're translating on the fly. Otherwise, you'll end up with gibberish.

HtH,
Teresa

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Re: Reading brf files on the mac.

[Steve Holmes]

Also, if the Braille display has an input keyboard, you can toggle speech on 
and off by holding down the space bar and pressing the letter m (dots 1 3 4).  
At least I can do this on my mac and iPod with my Refreshabraille.

On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you have keyboard commander on, you can use right-option-v. With a 
 trackpad, it's a double three-finger tap. In VO utility, navigate to speech 
 and mute it.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
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 Is there any way that I can read brf files on my macbook?
 My syncbraille is hooked up and working fine.
 
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Reading brf files on the mac.

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi all,
Is there any way that I can read brf files on my macbook?
My syncbraille is hooked up and working fine.

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Re: Reading brf files on the mac.

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Yes, you can open them in textEdit, and as long as you have contractions off, 
you can read them on your display. Turn off speech, though. :)

Teresa
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Re: Reading brf files on the mac.

[Stacey Robinson]

Ok, I can do that.
Is there a shortcut key for muting speech?

On Jul 27, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

 Yes, you can open them in textEdit, and as long as you have contractions off, 
 you can read them on your display. Turn off speech, though. :)
 
 Teresa
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Re: Reading brf files on the mac.

[Teresa Cochran]

If you have keyboard commander on, you can use right-option-v. With a trackpad, 
it's a double three-finger tap. In VO utility, navigate to speech and mute it.

HtH,
Teresa
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Re: reading brf files on a mac

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Chris. 
I just did a test on TextEdit. If this don't close the window with command W, 
the place is kept in the file. 

We have discussed here on this list a few disadvantages of using TextEdit to 
read brf files. However, it should work on Web Braille files just fine.  can 
just ignore the control characters in cells 39 and 40. 

Hey, Mark, thanks for the directions on putting brf into ibooks. I can't use it 
now, but I'll save the directions for when I get my Bluetooth braille display. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

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 A hardy congratulations on obtaining your new Braille Display, Chris.  
 
 I can tell you that they are a true blessing and a proverbial game changer
 (Smile).
 
 Which display will you be using?
 
 Mark
 
 
 
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 I am going to be getting a braille display and would like to read web
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 thought I remembered reading about  one but I can't remember all the
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I am going to be getting a braille display and would like to read web braille 
stuff on my mac.  Is there a program that will save my place?  I thought I 
remembered reading about  one but I can't remember all the details.  Looking 
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RE: reading brf files on a mac

[M. Taylor]

A hardy congratulations on obtaining your new Braille Display, Chris.  

I can tell you that they are a true blessing and a proverbial game changer
(Smile).

Which display will you be using?

Mark



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Re: reading brf files on the mac

[Marlaina Lieberg]

Annie,

You may have noticed this by now, but the link to Loui was in the message to 
whcih you responded; here it is again in case you missed it.

 http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/

On Jan 25, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:

Hi.

Could someone send me the link for Louis, the last version I have had was very 
strange.

Best regards Annie.
On 25/01/2011, at 20.26, Teresa Cochran wrote:

 Louis is a Braille translator for the Macd.
 
 http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/
 On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:53 AM, denise avant wrote:
 
 hi,
 what is louis? 
 
 --- On Tue, 1/25/11, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 
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 Subject: Re: reading brf files on the mac
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 10:17 AM
 
 You can read them with your Braille display in Text-edit by turning off 
 contracted Braille. That works just fine for me. Also, if you want to 
 back-translate them, you can use Louis for this.
 
 HTH,
 Teresa
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 is there any programs out there for reading bookshare books and web braille 
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hi all,
is there any programs out there for reading bookshare books and web braille 
books on the mac? thanks

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Re: reading brf files on the mac

[Teresa Cochran]

You can read them with your Braille display in Text-edit by turning off 
contracted Braille. That works just fine for me. Also, if you want to 
back-translate them, you can use Louis for this.

HTH,
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Re: reading brf files on the mac

[Esther]

Hi Denise,

Louis is a Braille Translation program that Greg Kearney wrote, that is 
available from:

http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/

I haven't used this, so you'll have to ask others for details.

Cheers,

Esther

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 what is louis? 
 
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 10:17 AM
 
 You can read them with your Braille display in Text-edit by turning off 
 contracted Braille. That works just fine for me. Also, if you want to 
 back-translate them, you can use Louis for this.
 
 HTH,
 Teresa
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  is there any programs out there for reading bookshare books and web braille 
  books on the mac? thanks
  
  

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Re: reading brf files on the mac

[Teresa Cochran]

Louis is a Braille translator for the Macd.

http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/
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 hi,
 what is louis? 
 
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 Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 10:17 AM
 
 You can read them with your Braille display in Text-edit by turning off 
 contracted Braille. That works just fine for me. Also, if you want to 
 back-translate them, you can use Louis for this.
 
 HTH,
 Teresa
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  is there any programs out there for reading bookshare books and web braille 
  books on the mac? thanks
  
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Re: reading brf files on the mac

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi.

Could someone send me the link for Louis, the last version I have had was very 
strange.

Best regards Annie.
On 25/01/2011, at 20.26, Teresa Cochran wrote:

 Louis is a Braille translator for the Macd.
 
 http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/
 On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:53 AM, denise avant wrote:
 
 hi,
 what is louis? 
 
 --- On Tue, 1/25/11, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: reading brf files on the mac
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 10:17 AM
 
 You can read them with your Braille display in Text-edit by turning off 
 contracted Braille. That works just fine for me. Also, if you want to 
 back-translate them, you can use Louis for this.
 
 HTH,
 Teresa
 On Jan 25, 2011, at 1:21 AM, denise avant wrote:
 
 hi all,
 is there any programs out there for reading bookshare books and web braille 
 books on the mac? thanks
 
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