Re: say it's not so apple
it will all be customizable i think Again i will wait a few months before upgrading what I havenow is working fine On 25 Aug 2009, at 01:06, Mike Arrigo wrote: Just because the feature is there, doesn't mean you have to use it. There will probably be an option for whether or not to automatically read the entire page, or you could just press v o a On Aug 24, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
There is just no reason for your fears. Apple would not radically change VO or leave current users totally lost. Once everyone starts getting their copies, I think you'll find your fears to be baseless and in fact you'll be reaching for that credit card to place your order. :) On Aug 24, 2009, at 8:54 PM, rayna424 wrote: Wow, yeah I seriously doubt that Apple would force us to use something. This reminds me of having the option of doing group or dom mode. It'll probably be a setting in the internet area. But, this is why I'm going to wait to by SL until I see what others say. I'm terrified of it working totally differently and having to relearn it all. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
I don't even know why this topic is being brought up to be honest, let's see what the New Snow Leopard offers us before passing judgement or creating panic. On 25/08/2009, at 7:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote: There is just no reason for your fears. Apple would not radically change VO or leave current users totally lost. Once everyone starts getting their copies, I think you'll find your fears to be baseless and in fact you'll be reaching for that credit card to place your order. :) On Aug 24, 2009, at 8:54 PM, rayna424 wrote: Wow, yeah I seriously doubt that Apple would force us to use something. This reminds me of having the option of doing group or dom mode. It'll probably be a setting in the internet area. But, this is why I'm going to wait to by SL until I see what others say. I'm terrified of it working totally differently and having to relearn it all. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
I wonder if Apple's Auto Web Spots is different enough from the FS Placemarkers feature as FS is currently suing GW Micro over a patent infringement on this concept. There are a lot of problems with the FS patent but judges aren't always of the nuances that make one idea different from another. cdh On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote: The following is copied directly from the Apple site. Find information fast with auto web spots. Many web pages are filled with complex design elements or lack useful HTML tags, making them difficult to convey through a screen reader. So Apple invented new technologies to comprehend and interpret the visual design of web pages, then use the information to assign virtual tags called “auto web spots” to mark important locations on the page. If you’re on a newspaper website, for example, there might be an auto web spot for each lead story, another for a box containing weather or sports scores, and so on. You can jump from web spot to web spot with a keystroke or the flick of a finger. And if there’s a particular feature on a site you visit often, you can assign a “sweet spot” on that page so that VoiceOver will go there first when the page opens. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
Huh, good luck cause FS hasn't a leg to stand on in the GW Micro case and they couldn't say a word about Apple's implementation. FS must be pretty desperate. On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: I wonder if Apple's Auto Web Spots is different enough from the FS Placemarkers feature as FS is currently suing GW Micro over a patent infringement on this concept. There are a lot of problems with the FS patent but judges aren't always of the nuances that make one idea different from another. cdh On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote: The following is copied directly from the Apple site. Find information fast with auto web spots. Many web pages are filled with complex design elements or lack useful HTML tags, making them difficult to convey through a screen reader. So Apple invented new technologies to comprehend and interpret the visual design of web pages, then use the information to assign virtual tags called “auto web spots” to mark important locations on the page. If you’re on a newspaper website, for example, there might be an auto web spot for each lead story, another for a box containing weather or sports scores, and so on. You can jump from web spot to web spot with a keystroke or the flick of a finger. And if there’s a particular feature on a site you visit often, you can assign a “sweet spot” on that page so that VoiceOver will go there first when the page opens. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
FS, with a JAWS market share of nearly 90% world wide and over 70% in the US is definitely not desperate in any way. Lee Hamilton, FS CEO, told me in his office when I was still a VP there that patents, even pretty shaky ones, can be used to drop boulders in the road maps of any perceived competitors. FS v. Serotek, in which FS declared themselves the soul owner of the word freedom would have died in a courtroom but, a smaller company like Serotek had to settle, change the name of its premier products and lose a couple of months to the distraction. Software patents are a weird portion of the US intellectual property law so a statement like FS hasn't a leg to stand on in the case versus GW may feel good to say and, in a more perfect world may actually be true but high stakes IP lawsuits can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars just to get a summary judgement in favor of the defendant. Years ago, Richard Stallman and I founded a non-profit called League for Programming Freedom in which we took on a lot of US law in this area. You can look us up at www.progfree.org and learn much more about the nastiness involved in these kind of legal instruments. I recommend moving this to the vo bs list as it is pretty distant from VO. cdh. On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Huh, good luck cause FS hasn't a leg to stand on in the GW Micro case and they couldn't say a word about Apple's implementation. FS must be pretty desperate. On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: I wonder if Apple's Auto Web Spots is different enough from the FS Placemarkers feature as FS is currently suing GW Micro over a patent infringement on this concept. There are a lot of problems with the FS patent but judges aren't always of the nuances that make one idea different from another. cdh On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote: The following is copied directly from the Apple site. Find information fast with auto web spots. Many web pages are filled with complex design elements or lack useful HTML tags, making them difficult to convey through a screen reader. So Apple invented new technologies to comprehend and interpret the visual design of web pages, then use the information to assign virtual tags called “auto web spots” to mark important locations on the page. If you’re on a newspaper website, for example, there might be an auto web spot for each lead story, another for a box containing weather or sports scores, and so on. You can jump from web spot to web spot with a keystroke or the flick of a finger. And if there’s a particular feature on a site you visit often, you can assign a “sweet spot” on that page so that VoiceOver will go there first when the page opens. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
FS are desperate, and they're only going to get more desperate. On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Huh, good luck cause FS hasn't a leg to stand on in the GW Micro case and they couldn't say a word about Apple's implementation. FS must be pretty desperate. On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: I wonder if Apple's Auto Web Spots is different enough from the FS Placemarkers feature as FS is currently suing GW Micro over a patent infringement on this concept. There are a lot of problems with the FS patent but judges aren't always of the nuances that make one idea different from another. cdh On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote: The following is copied directly from the Apple site. Find information fast with auto web spots. Many web pages are filled with complex design elements or lack useful HTML tags, making them difficult to convey through a screen reader. So Apple invented new technologies to comprehend and interpret the visual design of web pages, then use the information to assign virtual tags called “auto web spots” to mark important locations on the page. If you’re on a newspaper website, for example, there might be an auto web spot for each lead story, another for a box containing weather or sports scores, and so on. You can jump from web spot to web spot with a keystroke or the flick of a finger. And if there’s a particular feature on a site you visit often, you can assign a “sweet spot” on that page so that VoiceOver will go there first when the page opens. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
You are so right. And let's be fair, Windows is not that bad. It has become more security concious over the years. - Original Message - From: Rich Ring To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: say it's not so apple Trust me, whether we like it or not, FS is still making money. There are still lots of Windows users out there, some of whom are using Windows in a work environment, it is not like they can suddenly decide to use a Mac, it's not up to them. Just a little reality check. - Original Message - From: Marie Howarth To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: Re: say it's not so apple FS are desperate, and they're only going to get more desperate. On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Huh, good luck cause FS hasn't a leg to stand on in the GW Micro case and they couldn't say a word about Apple's implementation. FS must be pretty desperate. On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: I wonder if Apple's Auto Web Spots is different enough from the FS Placemarkers feature as FS is currently suing GW Micro over a patent infringement on this concept. There are a lot of problems with the FS patent but judges aren't always of the nuances that make one idea different from another. cdh On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote: The following is copied directly from the Apple site.Find information fast with auto web spots.Many web pages are filled with complex design elements or lack useful HTML tags, making them difficult to convey through a screen reader. So Apple invented new technologies to comprehend and interpret the visual design of web pages, then use the information to assign virtual tags called auto web spots to mark important locations on the page. If you're on a newspaper website, for example, there might be an auto web spot for each lead story, another for a box containing weather or sports scores, and so on. You can jump from web spot to web spot with a keystroke or the flick of a finger. And if there's a particular feature on a site you visit often, you can assign a sweet spot on that page so that VoiceOver will go there first when the page opens. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
The thing that may upset a lot of people is fs's overbearing and attempts to squish inovation that doesn't come to them first. I really don't care if they make money but at the same time they shouldn't be peeing in everyone elses cornflakes either. On 25-Aug-09, at 1:54 PM, Rich Ring wrote: Trust me, whether we like it or not, FS is still making money. There are still lots of Windows users out there, some of whom are using Windows in a work environment, it is not like they can suddenly decide to use a Mac, it's not up to them. Just a little reality check. - Original Message - From: Marie Howarth To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: Re: say it's not so apple FS are desperate, and they're only going to get more desperate. On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Huh, good luck cause FS hasn't a leg to stand on in the GW Micro case and they couldn't say a word about Apple's implementation. FS must be pretty desperate. On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: I wonder if Apple's Auto Web Spots is different enough from the FS Placemarkers feature as FS is currently suing GW Micro over a patent infringement on this concept. There are a lot of problems with the FS patent but judges aren't always of the nuances that make one idea different from another. cdh On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote: The following is copied directly from the Apple site. Find information fast with auto web spots. Many web pages are filled with complex design elements or lack useful HTML tags, making them difficult to convey through a screen reader. So Apple invented new technologies to comprehend and interpret the visual design of web pages, then use the information to assign virtual tags called “auto web spots” to mark important locations on the page. If you’re on a newspaper website, for example, there might be an auto web spot for each lead story, another for a box containing weather or sports scores, and so on. You can jump from web spot to web spot with a keystroke or the flick of a finger. And if there’s a particular feature on a site you visit often, you can assign a “sweet spot” on that page so that VoiceOver will go there first when the page opens. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
Unfortunately this is true, they are still making money, although I would never buy anything from them, and advise others to boycott them as well. For windows users, I reccomend system access, or if they need something more advanced, window eyes. Window eyes has all the features of JFW, and it's cheaper and easier to use. On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Rich Ring wrote: Trust me, whether we like it or not, FS is still making money. There are still lots of Windows users out there, some of whom are using Windows in a work environment, it is not like they can suddenly decide to use a Mac, it's not up to them. Just a little reality check. - Original Message - From: Marie Howarth To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: Re: say it's not so apple FS are desperate, and they're only going to get more desperate. On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Huh, good luck cause FS hasn't a leg to stand on in the GW Micro case and they couldn't say a word about Apple's implementation. FS must be pretty desperate. On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: I wonder if Apple's Auto Web Spots is different enough from the FS Placemarkers feature as FS is currently suing GW Micro over a patent infringement on this concept. There are a lot of problems with the FS patent but judges aren't always of the nuances that make one idea different from another. cdh On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote: The following is copied directly from the Apple site.Find information fast with auto web spots. Many web pages are filled with complex design elements or lack useful HTML tags, making them difficult to convey through a screen reader. So Apple invented new technologies to comprehend and interpret the visual design of web pages, then use the information to assign virtual tags called “auto web spots” to mark important locations on the page. If you’re on a newspaper website, for example, there might be an auto web spot for each lead story, another for a box containing weather or sports scores, and so on. You can jump from web spot to web spot with a keystroke or the flick of a finger. And if there’s a particular feature on a site you visit often, you can assign a “sweet spot” on that page so that VoiceOver will go there first when the page opens. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
Hi, I think Freedom Scientific's lawsuit against GW Micro is ridiculous. However, I use JAWS most of the time when I use Windows because there are a lot of things it offers that its competition doesn't. It's more responsive than Window-Eyes when using a braille display in Word 2007, or at least that's always been my experience. I find the quick navigation keys that let you move to the next heading, table, list, etc. in a Word document invaluable. Their training materials are superb, and third-party scripts like J-Tunes and J-Tools add wonderful functionality. So as annoyed as I am with some of the company's behavior, I wouldn't want to have to do without JAWS. Just my two cents' worth. Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
Hello, From what I've read, you will be able to select the different components of a site to read or scrol through. On Aug 24, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
OK, here's an exerpt from apple's accessibility page with snow leopard. VoiceOver will begin reading an entire web page automatically http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/accessibility/ On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Dan wrote: Hello, From what I've read, you will be able to select the different components of a site to read or scrol through. On Aug 24, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
The following is copied directly from the Apple site.Find information fast with auto web spots. Many web pages are filled with complex design elements or lack useful HTML tags, making them difficult to convey through a screen reader. So Apple invented new technologies to comprehend and interpret the visual design of web pages, then use the information to assign virtual tags called “auto web spots” to mark important locations on the page. If you’re on a newspaper website, for example, there might be an auto web spot for each lead story, another for a box containing weather or sports scores, and so on. You can jump from web spot to web spot with a keystroke or the flick of a finger. And if there’s a particular feature on a site you visit often, you can assign a “sweet spot” on that page so that VoiceOver will go there first when the page opens. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.comwrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
I think it's a preference hopefully. Justin On Aug 24, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
Hi, I don't care whether VoiceOver starts reading pages when it loads; a press of Control would stop it if I didn't want it. But I do hope the changes mean that it will be possible to start reading an article and have voiceOver read the whole thing without my having to keep pressing VO-Right or Numpad Right Arrow. That would be a wonderful change IMO. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
This is an option the user can select. The page can be automatically read when loaded, but again, you can disable this behavior if you prefer not to have VOiceOver read the page for you automatically. you, but this is a user selectable option. So, if you don't want to have the page read to you, then On Aug 24, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
thank God! I really really hope you're right. otherwise apple's gone down in my estimations. On Aug 24, 2009, at 10:28 PM, Scott Howell wrote: This is an option the user can select. The page can be automatically read when loaded, but again, you can disable this behavior if you prefer not to have VOiceOver read the page for you automatically. you, but this is a user selectable option. So, if you don't want to have the page read to you, then On Aug 24, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
Hi, I assume that this feature just means that you can Read all on web pages without the interruptions caused by by problematic HTML elements, and just start and stop VoiceOver (by pressing the Control key). One of the alternate web page reading schemes I use is to define a shortcut key for New Window Containing Selection. This is the Services menu option for sending whatever you've selected to a TextEdit window, so if you are at a web page in Safari and press Command-A to select all, followed by whatever shortcut key sequence you assigned to New Window Containing Selection, a TextEdit window will pop up with the contents and VoiceOver will start reading immediately from TextEdit. Of course, there are no problems with problematic HTML elements in TextEdit, and you can use Find, etc., start and stop VoiceOver, navigate to different portions of the document, etc. since TextEdit is very robust. You can also read special characters and characters from non-Roman alphabets in TextEdit, which is a boon if you want multi-lingual control. This does not put a big load on system resources, since the Services menu redirects the output. Using an assigned shortcut for New Window Containing Selection is much simpler and faster than performing the following steps (after doing the Select All with Command-A): 1. VO-M to menu bar 2. Right arrow to App menu 3. Arrow down and press S to go to Services 4. Right arrow to Services submenu 5. Up arrow to TextEdit 6. Right arrow to TextEdit submenu entry for New Window Containing Selection 7. Press enter to send selection to TextEdit If you want to try this, you'll need to go to the Keyboard Shortcuts Tab of the Keyboard Mouse Menu under System Preferences, and follow these instructions to assign a shortcut • Navigate (VO-Right Arrow) past the table of shortcuts on the Keyboard Shortcuts tab to the button for adding shortcuts and press (VO-Space) • In the Dialog window, VO-Right arrow past the pop up button for Application, which should be set to All Applications, and go to the text edit field after Menu Title • Type (or paste in): New Window Containing Selection without the quote marks • VO-Right Arrow to the Keyboard Shortcut field and type in your shortcut • Press return or navigate to the Add button and press it (VO-Space) • You'll be returned to the Keyboard Shortcuts tab window. Command-W to close the window Shortcuts on the Mac are read from application preference files when applications are opened. When you close each app, the current preferences are re-written from temporary storage. So shortcuts must be assigned when applications are closed, or they will be over-written when you exit the app. For system-wide apps, you need to reboot the system to have the shortcut take effect. You might want to use one of the extended F keys on a full keyboard in combination with Command or Option or Shift. The biggest issue with assigning system-wide shortcuts is the possibility of overwriting an existing shortcut that you eventually want to use. Incidentally, if your TextEdit window is set up for Rich Text Format, you can even click (VO-Shift-Space) on links in the text from the web page (if you know where they are from context), and have Safari open up at the linked page you clicked in TextEdit. Some things may not work -- if they didn't code the full path name in the link, or if the link is to a javascript, for example. I've posted about this before, but for some reason this shortcut never caught interest on this list. Cheers, Esther Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, I don't care whether VoiceOver starts reading pages when it loads; a press of Control would stop it if I didn't want it. But I do hope the changes mean that it will be possible to start reading an article and have voiceOver read the whole thing without my having to keep pressing VO-Right or Numpad Right Arrow. That would be a wonderful change IMO. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
I'd second that. Cheers, Donna On Aug 24, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, I don't care whether VoiceOver starts reading pages when it loads; a press of Control would stop it if I didn't want it. But I do hope the changes mean that it will be possible to start reading an article and have voiceOver read the whole thing without my having to keep pressing VO-Right or Numpad Right Arrow. That would be a wonderful change IMO. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
You don't have to hope I'm right. On Aug 24, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: thank God! I really really hope you're right. otherwise apple's gone down in my estimations. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
Just because the feature is there, doesn't mean you have to use it. There will probably be an option for whether or not to automatically read the entire page, or you could just press v o a On Aug 24, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: one feature I just read they have in snow leopard is voice over will now read the whole website to you. I cannot say I'm happy about this, the one thing about VO I love is it does what I want it too not what it thinks I want it too. ugh. apple why listen to them? sorry, but what do others think? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: say it's not so apple
Wow, yeah I seriously doubt that Apple would force us to use something. This reminds me of having the option of doing group or dom mode. It'll probably be a setting in the internet area. But, this is why I'm going to wait to by SL until I see what others say. I'm terrified of it working totally differently and having to relearn it all. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
