[maemo-developers] Re: Request: Python and Flash benchmarks

2005-08-17 Thread Jukka.P.Laurila
David Briggs wrote:

>The 6630 is based on the same TI processor (OMAP 1710 @
>220Mhz) as the 770.  It also has 10MB ram of which 7MB is usable by 
>applications.  It would be interesting to see what (if any)difference 
>there might be between Nokia's optimized implementation on the 6630 vs 
>the one available for the 770.

There aren't many optimizations yet that would be useful 
on other platforms. The optimizations made after the 1.0 
release were aimed to minimize the performance hit incurred 
when converting static writable data to data allocated from 
the heap and accessed via Thread Local Storage. It's 
encouraging to see that it was successful, since the 
performance of the Series 60 version seems to equal that of 
the 770 version at least in Pystone. Has anyone tried to 
measure how many Pystones the 770 gets with Python 2.2? 
That result would be directly comparable.

Imports are still hideously slow, though. With the 1.1.6fast 
build, it takes 2.34 seconds to "import urllib" on a 6630. 
This is something we'll probably look into in the 
near future.
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RE: [maemo-developers] Re: Request: Python and Flash benchmarks

2005-08-17 Thread David Briggs

Jukka Laurila wrote:
>> I just want to add a data point here: You don't mention which 
>> version of Python for Series 60 was used here, but that figure 
>> looks like it's from the 1.0 release. Some tweaks were made 
>> after that, and the 1.1.5fast build got 685 pystones on a 
>> 6630, which matches the results from the 770. The 6630 also 
>> has a 220 MHz processor, but I don't know which ARM version it is.

The 6630 is based on the same TI processor (OMAP 1710 @ 220Mhz) as the
770.  It also has 10MB ram of which 7MB is usable by applications.  It
would be interesting to see what (if any)difference there might be
between Nokia's optimized implementation on the 6630 vs the one
available for the 770.

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Re: [maemo-developers] Manual for creating debian packages

2005-08-17 Thread Mikhail Sobolev
On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 01:36:17PM +0300, Timo Savola wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 13:22 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote:
> > 2005/8/17, Timo Steuerwald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > I'm searching for a good manual about building debian packages for
> > > maemo. There are a couple of manuals/tutorials for this on the net (for
> > > example http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals)
> > 
> > Those manuals are as official as it gets, and there shouldn't be
> > anything maemo-specific about building a debian package for it. It's
> > supposed to be a debian system after all.
> 
> The maemo tutorial[1] says that maemo packages should depend on the
> "maemo" package version >=1.0 and installed files should go under
> the /var/lib/install directory.
I'm not sure it's "should go under /var/lib/install", it's "after
installation they appear in".

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> [1] 
> http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html#Creating-Maemo-packages
> 
> timo
> 
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FW: [maemo-developers] Re: Request: Python and Flash benchmarks

2005-08-17 Thread Jukka.P.Laurila
Osvaldo Santana Neto wrote:
>> +--+-+
>> |  | pystones/s  |
>> +--+-+-+-+
>> | Python   |   2.2   |   2.3   |   2.4   |
>> +--+-+-+-+
>> | Intel Xeon 3.4GHz| 31251.2 | 37880.9 | 5.3 |
>> | OMAP1611b H2 ARM9/192MHz |  -- |   535.2 |   482.0 |
>> | N770 ARM9/220MHz |  -- |   727.4 |   611.3 |
>> | N6600 ARM9/104MHz SymbianOS7 |   130.5 |  -- |  -- |
>> +--+-+-+-+

I just want to add a data point here: You don't mention which 
version of Python for Series 60 was used here, but that figure 
looks like it's from the 1.0 release. Some tweaks were made 
after that, and the 1.1.5fast build got 685 pystones on a 
6630, which matches the results from the 770. The 6630 also 
has a 220 MHz processor, but I don't know which ARM version it is.

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Re: [maemo-developers] Manual for creating debian packages

2005-08-17 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2005/8/17, Timo Savola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 13:22 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote:
> > 2005/8/17, Timo Steuerwald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > I'm searching for a good manual about building debian packages for
> > > maemo. There are a couple of manuals/tutorials for this on the net (for
> > > example http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals)
> >
> > Those manuals are as official as it gets, and there shouldn't be
> > anything maemo-specific about building a debian package for it. It's
> > supposed to be a debian system after all.
> 
> The maemo tutorial[1] says that maemo packages should depend on the
> "maemo" package version >=1.0 and installed files should go under
> the /var/lib/install directory.

Oh, you meant the user-space installable packages. I have no knowledge
of any other tutorial for them, and have no further comments on them
eihter ;)

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Re: [maemo-developers] Manual for creating debian packages

2005-08-17 Thread Timo Savola
On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 13:22 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote:
> 2005/8/17, Timo Steuerwald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I'm searching for a good manual about building debian packages for
> > maemo. There are a couple of manuals/tutorials for this on the net (for
> > example http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals)
> 
> Those manuals are as official as it gets, and there shouldn't be
> anything maemo-specific about building a debian package for it. It's
> supposed to be a debian system after all.

The maemo tutorial[1] says that maemo packages should depend on the
"maemo" package version >=1.0 and installed files should go under
the /var/lib/install directory.

[1] 
http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html#Creating-Maemo-packages

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Re: [maemo-developers] Manual for creating debian packages

2005-08-17 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2005/8/17, Timo Steuerwald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm searching for a good manual about building debian packages for
> maemo. There are a couple of manuals/tutorials for this on the net (for
> example http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals)

Those manuals are as official as it gets, and there shouldn't be
anything maemo-specific about building a debian package for it. It's
supposed to be a debian system after all.

, but I'm not sure
> what's the best way to do it. ...May be, at first, there will be also a
> good idea to do it the easiest - quick&dirty - way instead of the best
> way ;-)
> Also, I noticed that there are some essential tools missing, which are
> needed in this tutorials (e.g. dh_make)

dh_make is in the debhelper package with the rest of the dh_ tools
 
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[maemo-developers] Manual for creating debian packages

2005-08-17 Thread Timo Steuerwald

Hi all!

I'm searching for a good manual about building debian packages for 
maemo. There are a couple of manuals/tutorials for this on the net (for 
example http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals), but I'm not sure 
what's the best way to do it. ...May be, at first, there will be also a 
good idea to do it the easiest - quick&dirty - way instead of the best 
way ;-)
Also, I noticed that there are some essential tools missing, which are 
needed in this tutorials (e.g. dh_make)



[sbox-SDK_PC: ~] > apt-get install dh-make
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Package dh-make is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
E: Package dh-make has no installation candidate
[sbox-SDK_PC: ~] >


Any ideas?

Cheers,

Timo
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