[maemo-developers] Re: flasher and USB hubs

2006-09-03 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Rainer Dorsch wrote:
> Hello,
> I am curious what are the reasons for the 770 not working with USB hubs (at 
> least when flushed)? Is it the timing impact of the USB hub?

I am no expert at all, but I thought that if the 70 is 'hidden' behind a
hub, that the flasher program cannot identify the correct device to
flash. But that explanation might be total bullshit on the other side. :-)

Spaetz

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[maemo-developers] flasher and USB hubs

2006-09-03 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Hello,

I read on the wiki, that I should flash the 770 without any USB hub in between 
the computer and the 770 itself. If have seen other devices which did not 
work on USB hubs (e.g. a bluetooth dongle).

I am curious what are the reasons for the 770 not working with USB hubs (at 
least when flushed)? Is it the timing impact of the USB hub?

Many thanks,
Rainer

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[maemo-developers] Channel locking in Kismet

2006-09-03 Thread Andrew Barr
I notice that the WLAN driver, or the 'Nokia700' (sic) source in Kismet,
seems to ignore channel locking. If I try to lock on to a particular
network's channel, I still get packets coming in from two different
networks on two different channels. Is this setting being ignored or am
I missing something here?

Kudos to the Kismet guys for getting it working on the 770, though.
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[maemo-developers] Conclusions from the constantly rebooting issue

2006-09-03 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Hello,

I recently got my 770, upgraded to the OS2006 image and tried for two days 
several things, among them integration into a bluetooth piconet, gizmo, 
installing dropbear, fbreader, setting up email, my mailserver to support the 
770 supported send protocols, and minor apps.

I was about to try video encoding for the 770, gaim, and setting up backup 
when I hit the "constantly rebooting issue". Now I am waiting for my new USB 
dke-2 cable which I lost :-(

I decided to flash the 770 and start over again, not an uncommon or unpleasant 
thing for a device I am new to, as long I do not have to do that frequently, 
preferably I would have to do at most one more :-)

I though, I share my thoughts what to do, maybe a developer or a more 
experienced user, can help to avoid mistakes and save me one or more flash 
cycles.

1.To integrate the 770 into a bluetooth piconet, I need to load the bnep 
kernel module, start pand, and run udhcpc. I need root access for that. 

2. I install Osso Xterm (from http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/)  and dropbear 
ssh. Is that the xterm flavour which broke the 770 during the maemo launcher 
upgrade?


3. Enable root access as described in
 http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot2 

I go for a passwordless su entry in sudoers, I was somewhat scared of "Note 
that if you require a password to become sudo, some built-in apps (notably 
Application Manager) will appear to not load while they wait silently in the 
background for the password to be entered." because I do not fully understand 
what is meant. Could this affect Application Manager when started from the 
GUI for example?

4. I would add some repositories in sources list. I think repositories are a 
good thing as long as they are well maintained. I prefer a repository per 
app, or a preferences mechanism, like backports has. On the other hand, if 
the repositories are purely well tested and interfer with system packages, I 
don't want to have them.

I want to add
   http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/
   to sources.list to see updates for the osso term, if available. The version 
I used, handwriting recognition did not work well, though not sure which 
version this was. Also I saw, it has gaim.

   The FBreader repository was broken, when I tried last time (probably 
Packages file not uptodate):
 http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/maemo/
   Is there anybody who could fix that?

  I think I saw the maemo-launcher and gstreamer updates from
  http://repository.maemo.org/
 What are the updates good for? 

People report the gstreamer update is working again and if I understand 
correctly, the maemo-launcher update would work, when applied with the red 
pill mode within the application manager. 

I tend to leave that one away, given the warning in 
http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories

5. In understood that application manager updates only user applications. One 
thing which is completely unclear to me is, how does Nokia provide system 
updates in case of serious bugs in the system? 

6. There is no repository for gizmo, so manually install that one

7. I assmue extending the root file system as described in
http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ExtendedRootFilesystem
can be done at any time later. Any thoughts on the impact on life expancy?

8. On a PC based system, it is sometimes handy to be able to boot the system 
from a clean CD and fix whatever is broken in the normal system.  Would 
booting the root device from mmc as described
http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_BootRootFSFromMMC
help here?


Many thanks for reading that for any comments are welcome,
Rainer

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Re: [maemo-developers] Re: rebooting constantly after upgrading packages

2006-09-03 Thread Álvaro J. Iradier

Hi, I tried the red pill mode and noticed that a new version of
gst-plugins-farsight was available. I installed it, and now everything
works perfect again!

Thanks very much for updating the broken package :)

Greets.

On 9/2/06, Laurent GUERBY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 14:56 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote:
> ext Álvaro J. Iradier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > What's the difference between apt-get upgrading and using the
> > application manager "search for updates" option? I thought it was the
> > same...
>
> No, not exactly.  What the Application manager does is more similar to
> "apt-get install".  It will not upgrade the system packages
> automatically theway "apt-get upgrade" does.
>
> > If upgrading is not meant for consumers, why is that broken package in
> > the maemo repository? Shouldn't it be in sardine? I mean, what's the
> > point on having updated packages?
>
> You are spot on.  This is chaos and the mistral repositories should
> not contain the broken packages.  They need to be fixed and/or
> reverted to the same version that is in the IT2006 flash image.
>
> People here are aware of this... (and also appropriately embarrassed).

:)

For the record I was hit too and hopefully found help on #maemo
so I could get out of the reboot cycles.

I did not realize that the application manager wasn't doing the same
things as apt-get upgrade until too late.

When the mistral repositories are fixed, what's the best course,
apt-get upgrade again? (I do it through ssh from my regular PC.)

Thanks in advance,

Laurent





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Re: [maemo-developers] kernel code

2006-09-03 Thread Koen Kooi
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Kalle Vahlman schreef:

> The version in IT2006 is
> 
> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/non-free/k/kernel-source-2.6.16/

Non-free !?!?

regards,

Koen
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Re: [maemo-developers] kernel code

2006-09-03 Thread Kalle Vahlman

2006/9/2, Erin Stadler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_KernelCompilation?highlight=%28kernel%29#co
mpilation

This how-to seems out of date. I was unable to get the
kernel-source-2.6.12.3.


The version in IT2006 is

http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/non-free/k/kernel-source-2.6.16/

but IIRC otherwise the howto is correct.

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