Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki

2006-10-19 Thread Frantisek Dufka

Ferenc Szekely wrote:

Hello,

Every now and then we have some nasty edits at maemo's wiki. To avoid
this I have been thinking to disable anonymous edits till we have a
solution which:
-either detects spam and reverts a page if necessary, or
-provides a challenge-response test (captcha [1]) before submitting a
page (Thanks Adam L for proposing it)



Any news on this? How far is the solution? Maybe we could just lock the 
FrontPage. I wonder why the spammer adds just CategoryBluetooth without 
spam links. Is he stupid or google takes links from the comments in 
RecentChages page?


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[maemo-developers] Unresolved issues (Week 41)

2006-10-19 Thread Tommi Komulainen
Here is a list of issues raised on this list I think have not been
concluded so far, in no particular order. The easiest way to get off the
list is to provide answers, but you can also try convincing me other
ways.

This is an attempt to improve our communication by providing a short
summary reminder for busy people to act on. I'll try to keep up with the
experiment for a few weeks and see what happens.

  * http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-October/005721.html
compiling problems in scrathcbox

gcc fails with 'sbox-i686-linux-gcc: -lgthread-2.0: linker input
file unused because linking not done'

  * http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-October/005742.html
microphone recording quality

GStreamer 0.8 recording sampling rate is limited to 8kHz? Can it
be increased?

  * http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-October/005760.html
Keeping the softkeypad from going away.

How can you keep the softkeypad from going away in a hildon
application written in python?


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Re: [maemo-developers] building an application with custom kernel-headers

2006-10-19 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi,

 [sbox-fitz: ~]  grep
 IFA_F_HOMEADDRESS /usr/src/su-18-kernel-headers/include/linux/rtnetlink.h
 #define IFA_F_HOMEADDRESS   0x10

Is this in the part of the kernel header that is not exported
unless you're compiling kernel source code?  (or claiming
so with a define used for this)


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Re: [maemo-developers] Unresolved issues (Week 41)

2006-10-19 Thread Riku Voipio

Tommi Komulainen wrote:

  * http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-October/005721.html
compiling problems in scrathcbox

gcc fails with 'sbox-i686-linux-gcc: -lgthread-2.0: linker input

file unused because linking not done'

solved (gcc -c -lfoo is not a valid gcc command) on different list:

http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-devel/2006-October/000225.html

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Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki

2006-10-19 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 10:22:41AM +0200, Frantisek Dufka wrote:
 Ferenc Szekely wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Every now and then we have some nasty edits at maemo's wiki. To avoid
 this I have been thinking to disable anonymous edits till we have a
 solution which:
 -either detects spam and reverts a page if necessary, or
 -provides a challenge-response test (captcha [1]) before submitting a
 page (Thanks Adam L for proposing it)
 
 
 Any news on this? How far is the solution? Maybe we could just lock the 
 FrontPage. I wonder why the spammer adds just CategoryBluetooth without 
 spam links. Is he stupid or google takes links from the comments in 
 RecentChages page?

Are you sure there are no links?  I've had spammers spam a Trac wiki
with lots of links inside a div style=display: none.

Marius Gedminas
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Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki

2006-10-19 Thread Frantisek Dufka

Marius Gedminas wrote:


Are you sure there are no links?  I've had spammers spam a Trac wiki
with lots of links inside a div style=display: none.


Yes, go to http://maemo.org/maemowiki/FrontPage?action=info and use the 
links View, Raw on the right. Links are not in the page (revision 
221 as example) but just in the comments field. This is puzzling, looks 
like stupid vandalism without any gain for anyone. Probably some 
automatic script which fills wrong text field.


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[maemo-developers] maemo developer environment - OS X PPC / BSD?

2006-10-19 Thread Otto Roberson
Hello, I'd like to hear from others who have a working development set-up. I have an i486 boxrunning Desktop BSD, an iBook G4(10.4.8), and an i586 with XP. I'd prefer to install the development system on an external firewire drive. Just getting started, would like to try installingUbuntu or Knoppix on an external Firewire drive and use the maemo development tools from there. Initially Imight have to modify the kernel that Ubuntu uses on its live CD to support SCSI. Maybe Knoppix DVD already has it... I realize these are issues with these kernels and not with maemo, perhaps there are suggestions about which distribution to use?Otto   
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RE: [maemo-developers] maemo developer environment - OS X PPC / BSD?

2006-10-19 Thread Karoliina.T.Salminen



Hi,

Hello, 

  
  I'd like to hear from others who have a working development set-up. 

  
  I have an i486 boxrunning Desktop BSD, an iBook G4(10.4.8), 
  and an i586 with XP. I'd prefer to install the development system on an 
  external firewire drive.
  
Well, 
you could do it with that way, but might be easier in short term to just install 
e.g. Ubuntu along with the XP if you have some
reasons to keep using it.

Best 
WIshes,
Karoliina

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Re: [maemo-developers] Maemo 2.0 device reboot

2006-10-19 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi,

ext Marius Gedminas wrote:
 Hi, after upgrade to maemo 2.0 I have a problem. Some times my 770
 reboot. This happen some times when I'm using the browser and every
 time I try to use Gizmo. For now I never had problem with other
 programs. You think this is a software problem or hardware?
 My 770 reboots once every two--three days.  I think it's a software
 problem.  I could be wrong.
 As mentioned in the following link, please file bugs against the errant
 applications.
 http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues?action=show

 I remember in your case it was FBReader - report it to them.
 
 /var/lib/dsme/lifeguard-resets claims it is maemo_af_desktop's fault.

Were there several reboots accounted for the Desktop process?

Btw. there are several reasons why Desktop might die:
- It's buggy :-)
- Something in the device is forcing it to run completely out of memory
  (and if alloc fails, Glib will abort the co. process), e.g. because
  that something is leaking memory or otherwise using a lot of memory
  without integrating itself to the device memory management:
  - If possible, app should implement support for the background killing
i.e. save UI state when backgrounded and then indicate[1] that it's
killable when the device runs out of memory:

https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/doc/api/hildon-libs/hildon-libs-HildonProgram.html#hildon-program-set-can-hibernate
http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/api/libosso/html/group__Statesave.html
http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/api/libosso/html/group__Autosave.html
When foregrounded, I think app should then remove the state and
when being re-started, it should check whether there was some
UI-state.  If there was, restore the UI-state (instead of going
to the default application state).  If you strace the device apps,
you see that UI state is stored under /tmp/osso-appl-states/ which
is on tmpfs i.e. goes away at reboot
  - It could use the libosso osso_mem_saw_enable  osso_mem_saw_disable
http://maemo.org/lxr/source/libosso/src/osso-mem.h#110
functions around operations that:
- could potentially take a lot of memory (loading large image etc)
- handle allocation failures gracefully (not abort/assert)
  - If app caches things or otherwise has some optional memory
usage, it could also listen to the system low memory notifications
so that it can purge from RAM all of its caches when that happens:
http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/api/libosso/html/group__Devstate.html

http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/api/libosso/html/group__outside.html#g231284109a21410088850beed324ea57

If the device runs _completely_ out of memory, I don't think the kernel
out-of-memory killer knows which process user would prefer to be killed
to get more memory :-).

Some more info on kernel OOM-killer:
http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer
http://lwn.net/Articles/104179/

[1] You can check whether app is background-killable by:
- using xwininfo|grep Window id and tapping to the application window,
- topping another window, and then
- doing xprop -id id | grep KILL
If you see the hibernate property set for the app,
it is background killable.


 FBReader just happens to be the application I use most often.
 
 I haven't reported it in Bugzilla yet, because I do not have a way to
 reproduce the problem (other than try to use the device for a few
 days), and also because it is not that irritating -- the device boots
 pretty fast, and the progress bar is kinda nice.  :)


  - Eero
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[maemo-developers] Flash player 9

2006-10-19 Thread Malix
As announced on Adobe Flash release manager blog http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/ Flash 9 for Linux is here. You think that this can be used under Maemo? Before now Flash was a big pain and I had a lot of crash with older versions on Linux, but now I think that Adobe is seriously considering Linux as big OS player. Under Maemo I have a lot of browser crash that, may be erroneously, attribute to flash player, so using the new Flash player 9 may resolve those problems. What do you think?

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Re: [maemo-developers] Maemo 2.0 device reboot

2006-10-19 Thread Malix
2006/10/19, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,ext Marius Gedminas wrote: Hi, after upgrade to maemo 2.0 I have a problem. Some times my 770 reboot. This happen some times when I'm using the browser and every time I try to use Gizmo. For now I never had problem with other
 programs. You think this is a software problem or hardware? My 770 reboots once every two--three days.I think it's a software problem.I could be wrong. As mentioned in the following link, please file bugs against the errant
 applications. http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues?action=""> I remember in your case it was FBReader - report it to them.
 /var/lib/dsme/lifeguard-resets claims it is maemo_af_desktop's fault.Were there several reboots accounted for the Desktop process?Btw. there are several reasons why Desktop might die:- It's buggy :-)
- Something in the device is forcing it to run completely out of memory(and if alloc fails, Glib will abort the co. process), e.g. becausethat something is leaking memory or otherwise using a lot of memory
without integrating itself to the device memory management:- If possible, app should implement support for the background killingi.e. save UI state when backgrounded and then indicate[1] that it's
killable when the device runs out of memory:https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/doc/api/hildon-libs/hildon-libs-HildonProgram.html#hildon-program-set-can-hibernate
http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/api/libosso/html/group__Statesave.html
http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/api/libosso/html/group__Autosave.htmlWhen foregrounded, I think app should then remove the state andwhen being re-started, it should check whether there was someUI-state.If there was, restore the UI-state (instead of going
to the default application state).If you strace the device apps,you see that UI state is stored under /tmp/osso-appl-states/ whichis on tmpfs i.e. goes away at reboot- It could use the libosso osso_mem_saw_enable  osso_mem_saw_disable
http://maemo.org/lxr/source/libosso/src/osso-mem.h#110functions around operations that:- could potentially take a lot of memory (loading large image etc)
- handle allocation failures gracefully (not abort/assert)- If app caches things or otherwise has some optional memoryusage, it could also listen to the system low memory notifications
so that it can purge from RAM all of its caches when that happens:http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/api/libosso/html/group__Devstate.html
http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/api/libosso/html/group__outside.html#g231284109a21410088850beed324ea57
If the device runs _completely_ out of memory, I don't think the kernelout-of-memory killer knows which process user would prefer to be killedto get more memory :-).Some more info on kernel OOM-killer:
http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killerhttp://lwn.net/Articles/104179/[1] You can check whether app is background-killable by:
- using xwininfo|grep Window id and tapping to the application window,- topping another window, and then- doing xprop -id id | grep KILLIf you see the hibernate property set for the app,
it is background killable. FBReader just happens to be the application I use most often. I haven't reported it in Bugzilla yet, because I do not have a way to reproduce the problem (other than try to use the device for a few
 days), and also because it is not that irritating -- the device boots pretty fast, and the progress bar is kinda nice.:)- Eero___maemo-developers mailing list
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, in the hope that those can help to fix bugs.
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Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9

2006-10-19 Thread Michel Salim

On 10/19/06, Malix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

As announced on Adobe Flash release manager blog
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/ Flash 9 for Linux is
here. You think that this can be used under Maemo?


This is great news, thanks! Maemo uses a non-x86 chip, though, so
you'd have to wait for Adobe to port and release the update. In the
past Macromedia would not do that (Flash for Linux is not even
available for PPC) but since Nokia is a paying customer I'm sure it
will appear  - with the next major software update, perhaps?.

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Re: [maemo-developers] Maemo 2.0 device reboot

2006-10-19 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 03:48:54PM +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote:
 Hi,
 
 ext Marius Gedminas wrote:
  My 770 reboots once every two--three days.  I think it's a software
  problem.  I could be wrong.
  As mentioned in the following link, please file bugs against the errant
  applications.
  http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues?action=show
 
  I remember in your case it was FBReader - report it to them.
  
  /var/lib/dsme/lifeguard-resets claims it is maemo_af_desktop's fault.
 
 Were there several reboots accounted for the Desktop process?

There were 44 reboots accounted for maemo_af_desktop, last time I checked.

 Btw. there are several reasons why Desktop might die:
 - It's buggy :-)

I suppose it could also be a buggy plugin?

 - Something in the device is forcing it to run completely out of memory

Nah, I have 64 megs of swap, and load-applet never shows more than 1 out
of 4 squares full when these crashes happen.

One day I'll disable lifeguard resets, wait for a crash, and then ssh
into the device and ... uh ... actually I've no idea what to do then.
Can I enable core files?  Is there a gdb package for armel?

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Re: [maemo-developers] Reboot Cycle

2006-10-19 Thread Michael Wiktowy
Hello list,I got finally bit by the endless reboot cycle bug.I have set the no-lifeguard-reset flag in RD mode and now it doesn't reboot.I could also stop it from rebooting with a well timed press and hold of the power button right after the Nokia hands and chime come up.
However, all I get is the white screen of death after it boots.The things that I installed since the last reboot were:- mweather desktop applet- upgraded maemo-mapper to 1.2
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Re: [maemo-developers] Reboot Cycle

2006-10-19 Thread Michael Wiktowy
On 10/19/06, Michael Wiktowy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello list,I got finally bit by the endless reboot cycle bug.I have set the no-lifeguard-reset flag in RD mode and now it doesn't reboot.I could also stop it from rebooting with a well timed press and hold of the power button right after the Nokia hands and chime come up.
However, all I get is the white screen of death after it boots.The things that I installed since the last reboot were:- mweather desktop applet- upgraded maemo-mapper to 1.2

oops .. send permaturely ... to continue ...and before that I installed the bt-plugin applet to get some data dumps from my bt GPS and had to reboot to get that working right.After updating the maemo-mapper, I started it and it started fine but I didn't have my GPS around to try it. I let my 770 charge overnight. Tried starting maemo-mapper after I had my GPS on and it would look like it was starting but would never come up. So I manually rebooted and now I am stuck.
I suspect that it is either a wonky mweather applet crashing the desktop or some wierd interaction with the new maemo-mapper and the bt-plugin.Is my only option to reflash the firmware if the desktop crashes like this?
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Re: [maemo-developers] Reboot Cycle

2006-10-19 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 04:27:32PM +, Michael Wiktowy wrote:
 Hello list,
 I got finally bit by the endless reboot cycle bug.
 
 I have set the no-lifeguard-reset flag in RD mode and now it doesn't
 reboot.
 I could also stop it from rebooting with a well timed press and hold of the
 power button right after the Nokia hands and chime come up.
 
 However, all I get is the white screen of death after it boots.
 
 The things that I installed since the last reboot were:
 - mweather desktop applet

It is a known mweather home applet bug: it crashes the desktop app on
startup, usually.  Disable the applet, and you won't get reboot loops.

If you have an ssh server on the device, I think you could ssh into it
and sudo apt-get remove mweather.  Or just keep rebooting until you get
lucky and mweather doesn't crash for you -- it doesn't *always* crash.

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Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9

2006-10-19 Thread Koen Kooi
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 had a lot of crash with older versions on Linux, but now I think that
 Adobe is seriously considering Linux as big OS player. Under Maemo I
 have a lot of browser crash that, may be erroneously, attribute to flash
 player, so using the new Flash player 9 may resolve those problems. What
 do you think?

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Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9

2006-10-19 Thread Andrew J. Barr
On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:55, Koen Kooi wrote:
 Flash is evil

My thoughts exactly. Thank you!

(Although GNU Gnash is certainly less evil and I await the day it is generally 
usable. A necessary evil, if you will.)
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Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9

2006-10-19 Thread George Farris
On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 14:59 -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote:
 On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:55, Koen Kooi wrote:
  Flash is evil
 
 My thoughts exactly. Thank you!
 
 (Although GNU Gnash is certainly less evil and I await the day it is 
 generally 
 usable. A necessary evil, if you will.)

swfdec might possible be a better match as it uses gstreamer etc.



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Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9

2006-10-19 Thread George Farris
On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 12:54 -0700, George Farris wrote:
 On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 14:59 -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote:
  On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:55, Koen Kooi wrote:
   Flash is evil
  
  My thoughts exactly. Thank you!
  
  (Although GNU Gnash is certainly less evil and I await the day it is 
  generally 
  usable. A necessary evil, if you will.)
 
 swfdec might possible be a better match as it uses gstreamer etc.

Oh and there is a GNOME guy working on it from what I understand.


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[maemo-developers] Flight mode

2006-10-19 Thread Diego Zimet
how is flight mode enabled? Is it the same as offline
mode? 

Thanks

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Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9

2006-10-19 Thread Michael Kostrzewa (Nokia-M/Helsinki)
Swfdec is just a decoder for certain kind of swf presentations. It'll
not work for interactive flash stuff.

MDK

On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 12:55:29PM -0700, ext George Farris wrote:
 On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 12:54 -0700, George Farris wrote:
  On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 14:59 -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote:
   On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:55, Koen Kooi wrote:
Flash is evil
   
   My thoughts exactly. Thank you!
   
   (Although GNU Gnash is certainly less evil and I await the day it is 
   generally 
   usable. A necessary evil, if you will.)
  
  swfdec might possible be a better match as it uses gstreamer etc.
 
 Oh and there is a GNOME guy working on it from what I understand.
 
 
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Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9

2006-10-19 Thread Malix
2006/10/19, Michael Kostrzewa (Nokia-M/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Swfdec is just a decoder for certain kind of swf presentations. It'llnot work for interactive flash stuff.MDKOn Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 12:55:29PM -0700, ext George Farris wrote: On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 12:54 -0700, George Farris wrote:
  On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 14:59 -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote:   On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:55, Koen Kooi wrote:Flash is evil My thoughts exactly. Thank you!
 (Although GNU Gnash is certainly less evil and I await the day it is generally   usable. A necessary evil, if you will.)   swfdec might possible be a better match as it uses gstreamer etc.
The only alternative is Gnash, swfdec last development was 10 Jan 2006 when 0.3.6 was released.It seems that Gnash for Arm is ready did someone try this?
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Re: [maemo-developers] Reboot Cycle

2006-10-19 Thread Michael Wiktowy
On 10/19/06, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is a known mweather home applet bug: it crashes the desktop app on
startup, usually.Disable the applet, and you won't get reboot loops.If you have an ssh server on the device, I think you could ssh into itand sudo apt-get remove mweather.Or just keep rebooting until you get
lucky and mweather doesn't crash for you -- it doesn't *always* crash.
I suppose I should have looked up that applet on the
ApplicationCatalogue2006 wiki as there is a big fat warning that this
applet is unstable and a WIP. I just installed it from the Application
Manager having no idea it was still a WIP.

In any case, I successfully got my 770 desktop not to crash with the following steps:
- powerup until you get the white screen of death
- plug the charger in
- power off the 770 (which actually just suspends it when the charger
is in) by pressing the power button and choosing Switch off!
- power on after you see the lone charging symbol in the middle of the screen by pressing the power button

When the desktop screen finally did come up, it was missing the middle
Contact button along the left hand side of the screen and the applet
had a Failed message in it.

I also found that I didn't need the lifeguard disable hack to stop the
rebooting cycle. If I pressed and held the power key as soon as I saw
the Nokia hands, I could stop it in the white screen of death state.
Then a second press of the power button would switch the 770 off.

So I am back to normal without having to reflash my firmware. Thanks
for confirming that this app was causing me trouble. Just figured that
I would relate some details of my unpleasant experience in hopes that
it might help others get out of their future reboot cycles.

Nokia should consider some sort of Safe mode when lifeguard resets
the 770 a few times in sequence as the endless rebooting is not a fun
experience. I know X will only retry its start 3 times before dropping
to the command line. I think gdm may dump you to a extremely simple
session manager if it can't start the Gnome desktop too. You can start
Firefox up in a safe mode that will not load any extensions. This is
likely the best model to follow. 

However, an even better model would be to not allow crashing applets to take down your entire desktop.

/Mike
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Re: [maemo-developers] Maemo 2.0 device reboot

2006-10-19 Thread Malix
2006/10/19, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 03:48:54PM +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, ext Marius Gedminas wrote:  My 770 reboots once every two--three days.I think it's a software
  problem.I could be wrong.  As mentioned in the following link, please file bugs against the errant  applications.  
http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues?action="">   I remember in your case it was FBReader - report it to them.   /var/lib/dsme/lifeguard-resets claims it is maemo_af_desktop's fault.
 Were there several reboots accounted for the Desktop process?There were 44 reboots accounted for maemo_af_desktop, last time I checked. Btw. there are several reasons why Desktop might die:
 - It's buggy :-)I suppose it could also be a buggy plugin? - Something in the device is forcing it to run completely out of memoryNah, I have 64 megs of swap, and load-applet never shows more than 1 out
of 4 squares full when these crashes happen.One day I'll disable lifeguard resets, wait for a crash, and then sshinto the device and ... uh ... actually I've no idea what to do then.Can I enable core files?Is there a gdb package for armel?
Marius Gedminas--A real friend isn't someone you use once and then throw away.A real friend is someone you can use over and over again.I upgrade Gizmo to version 
1.1.0.40 and for now it never crash.
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