Re: 3.2007.10-7 - Detailed change log?
On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 06:45 +0100, ext Neil MacLeod wrote: > I should hope it should be possible to release something as basic as a > changelog by v5 of a project. It's not about versions but about integrating/coordinating our internal development process with http://bugs.maemo.org . This is what we are doing but progress is slower as (I) expected. There is progress, though. I hope to see some concrete results for Chinook and the problem solved at least at satisfactory levels for Diablo. One visible step forward to be seen (soon) and shared with you will be the reorganization of bugs.maemo.org. The current structure of products and components needs a drastic improvement in order to be more comprehensive to users and developers, and also in order to match better our internal tools and processes. > I know that sounds harsh, but > seriously... if you don't what you've fixed in any given release it > really does suggest a chaotic process. No problem sounding harsh, we know that we should do much better at this point. However, the process is not chaotic. It is precisely the structure and complexity of the process what makes changes and gathering/sharing information more difficult than it seems. > I'm not looking for anything fancy, a list of bug identifiers and > associated subjects would suffice as a minimum - anything in addition > would be a bonus. I wasn't asking for anything fancy. You perfectly answered my question. "Changelog" and "Release notes" might have different meanings for different people. I'm asking in order to know better the expectations. -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: skype on Nokia 770?
Skype is an end user proprietary application with no effects to developers, this is why there is no information about it in maemo.org apart from the comment at IT OS 2007 Hacker Edition for the Nokia 770 coming up http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html Tableteer has some more information for end users but, really, if you are following http://tabletblog.com/ there is nothing I can recall that has not been written already by Thoughtfix about Skype. ;) PS: yes, all this is a bit off-topic in this list. On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 17:35 +0800, ext Pan Bohui wrote: > Hi all, > i just got exciting news from maemo.org: > http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/skype-itchy-trigger-finger.html > > it seems that N800 user can use skype by upgrading to latest os2007 . > I have a Nokia 770 device on hand, and looked up on skype.com and > maemo.org, but there is no available maemo version skype. so is there > any detail information (project URL or packages)about this > application? > > thanks > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: 3.2007.10-7 - Detailed change log?
Quim Gil wrote: > On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 18:41 +0100, ext Neil MacLeod wrote: > By Diablo, perhaps. We hope so. I should hope it should be possible to release something as basic as a changelog by v5 of a project. I know that sounds harsh, but seriously... if you don't what you've fixed in any given release it really does suggest a chaotic process. > Something that would help are links to your preferred release notes. Yes > we know that in principle the more details the better, but providing > examples of non-exhaustive yet satisfactory release notes you like and > find useful would help us focusing in a model. > I'm not looking for anything fancy, a list of bug identifiers and associated subjects would suffice as a minimum - anything in addition would be a bonus. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: bluetooth printing
Would it help to your search to describe your desired feature and the current status of development in a enhancement request at bugzilla or the wiki and then ask to be linked from the http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html ? On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 17:08 +0400, ext [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Still trying to make printing from N800 via bluetooth :-) > Looking for contacts of ppl who ported bluez-cups to Nokia > N800 bluez-hcidump - or any detailed docs on these libs. > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: 3.2007.10-7 - Detailed change log?
On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 18:41 +0100, ext Neil MacLeod wrote: > Are there any plans to publish a detailed changelog for 4.2007.26-8? Nope, sorry. We have tried but our internal process is not ready for this, yet. We have improved providing more details than before about the new features implemented. You can see the results comparing http://maemo.org/news/view/1183705330.html to the brief notes released in the past. At a maemo level there is http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.2/content_comparison.html but I agree all this is not enough. We have been working on the internal processes though, in order to end up delivering proper release notes as open source development is used to. This will allow us to provide more details in the Chinook release, although already today I can see that we (and you) are not going to be totally happy about them. By Diablo, perhaps. We hope so. In any case let's state clear that publishing proper release notes is a goal for us, including a changelog with improvements / modifications in the IT OS functionality and public bugs fixed. Something that would help are links to your preferred release notes. Yes we know that in principle the more details the better, but providing examples of non-exhaustive yet satisfactory release notes you like and find useful would help us focusing in a model. -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Firmware 4.2007.26-8 has inferior SDHC performance than 3.2007.10-7 - why?
> It may be that MMC speed is limited to 24Mhz (wonder what NB#54313 is > about) for similar reason like N770 MMC speed being limited to 12Mhz - By the way, #54313 _is_ the MMC is bug #1204[1] in the public bugzilla (you can see this in the Alias field). So, the clock speed has been capped to prevent file corruption, but this clearly isn't the solution to the problem as it now appears to be worse than ever - I hope the solution won't be to cap the speed even lower. :( 1. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Firmware 4.2007.26-8 has inferior SDHC performance than 3.2007.10-7 - why?
Frantisek Dufka wrote: > It may be that MMC speed is limited to 24Mhz (wonder what NB#54313 is > about) for similar reason like N770 MMC speed being limited to 12Mhz - > better compatibility by sacrificing speed. Sadly this makes perfect > sense for Nokia. > I suspected that to be the situation with the clock capped at 24Mhz for compatibility reasons however I had more compatibility and seemingly fewer issues with the 48Mhz full fat SDHC patch in 3.2007.10-8 than I have with 4.2007.26-8. I've now experienced one corrupt (but fortunately not killed) FAT filesystem on a 4GB SDHC Class 2 Transcend card. In the 3+ months of using the full speed 3.2007.10-8 patch on two N800s I never experienced any corruption yet it has now occurred within 36 hours following the upgrade (and I've only installed the update on one of the N800s!) I wonder if Nokia have jumped the gun and capped the speed unnecessarily when the corruption issue lies elsewhere? Assuming this to be the case, will we ever get full speed support in future? Judging from the (lack of problem) reports over the last 3+ months the high speed patch didn't seem to cause any major issues, unlike the new firmware - quite a number of reports have appeared on ITT[1,2,3] suggesting corrupt, dead and unrecoverable SDHC cards have resulted from using the latest firmware (and bug has had to be re-opened in bugzilla[4]). I agree that the ~6MB/s read speed is good, but it's a little annoying that we all know the N800 can achieve at least double this performance and is being artificially restricted for possibly the wrong reasons. :) 1. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7384 2. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5989 3. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=57696#post57696 4. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Firmware 4.2007.26-8 has inferior SDHC performance than 3.2007.10-7 - why?
Here are relevant parts of kernel changelog kernel-source-rx-34 (2.6.18-osso42) unstable; urgency=low * week200713-1 release * MMC: Add support for mmc v4 high speed mode * mmc: Support for high speed SD cards * mmc: Add support for SDHC cards * mmc: Graceful fallback for fancy features * mmc: MMC sector based cards -- Yauheni Kaliuta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:15:01 +0300 ... kernel-source-rx-34 (2.6.18-osso47) unstable; urgency=low * week200721-1 release * MMC: Limit the mmc clock to 24MHz. Fixes: NB#54313 -- Yauheni Kaliuta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon, 21 May 2007 16:33:49 +0300 It may be that MMC speed is limited to 24Mhz (wonder what NB#54313 is about) for similar reason like N770 MMC speed being limited to 12Mhz - better compatibility by sacrificing speed. Sadly this makes perfect sense for Nokia. While this was real pain with N770 (approx 1.4MB/s read speed, 300KB/s write speed) with N800 it is not that bad. After all 7 or 11MB/s is not such big difference in real life. I'm far more concerned about device physically corrupting cards (like someone reported in ITT forum and bugzilla). Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: maemo wiki survey
Hi! We had some discussion with Ferenc about this thread last Friday and agreed that some of things should be addressed ASAP. This means that next week (probably Mon/Tue), I will make some changes to the wiki component, including at least capability of showing latest changes from all sub-wikis (namespaces). The wiki software already has a "latest changes" view, but this feature only shows the current wiki/namespace instead of all namespaces under it. When I do this change it will also happen in the "changes" RSS feed. I will also look at adding preview capability to the regular form-based editor. Then to your comments: On 7/5/07, Kees Jongenburger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -The cms documentation is very poor(formating rules etc) > --how to create a toc etc > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1590 The formatting is standard Markdown Extra with couple of wiki-specific tags added. But you're right, we should collect both the Markdown Extra documentation and our wiki docs in the same place, and preferably ship that with the wiki itself. > -When not editing in wysiwyg mode not preview button is visible > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1408 The reason here is twofold: obviously, I've been mostly too lazy to add preview functionality, but also so many Midgard setups run in staging/live model where saving and previewing are essentially the same thing (and only content approval publishes the changes) that this hasn't been a critical missing feature. > -when committing everybody can see that I am watching page changes That happens also with MoinMoin, which is why I added this feature. I could easily hide the notices, though. > -No maemo wiki specific search > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1381 There would be wiki-specific search if we used Midgard's own indexer. However, I suspect it should be possible to make searches limited to a specific URL space using Maemo's Google appliance. > I would like a world view / site map arranged on topic of booth wiki > and non wiki content > so that if I find that page I know I don't have to look in other parts > of the website This is easy to implement: just create a new folder with type "sitemap". Ferenc/Quim, what do you think? > I guess that it is the main wiki page that needs cleanup Agreed, now it is quite horrible. I think for example Midgard's own wiki is much nicer with its manually maintained front page: http://www.midgard-project.org/documentation/ As to other things people here have requested like for example anonymous editing, those are mostly questions of configuration and the decisions about them must be made by the Nokia folks. Personally I'd advice against anonymous editing however, as it creates quite big need to monitor and police the changes against abuse. Registration/login is not a big deal, and the resources that would be needed for keeping the wiki clean are most likely best used elsewhere. /Henri -- Henri Bergius Motorcycle Adventures and Free Software http://bergie.iki.fi/ Skype: henribergius Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jaiku: http://bergie.jaiku.com/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
