Please remove Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the list
What I get from him is a violation of basic Internet standards subject to Internet abuse reporting. ___ From: Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stupid asshole could you stop spamming ... ! #!/usr/python2.5 def __mail__(): import grumphy text = str(self) + \nDO NOT FEED THE TROLL Benoît HERVIER! g = grumphy() g.send_mail(text) -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertxxx xxx x x xxx Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Please remove Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the list
i see nothing wrong with this message. as an example of pseudo code it seems quite apt, however it won't compile on my machine due to missing grumphy dependencies. anyone know where I can get them from? On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: What I get from him is a violation of basic Internet standards subject to Internet abuse reporting. ___ From: Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stupid asshole could you stop spamming ... ! #!/usr/python2.5 def __mail__(): import grumphy text = str(self) + \nDO NOT FEED THE TROLL Benoît HERVIER! g = grumphy() g.send_mail(text) -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertxxx xxx x x xxx Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Please do your best to save Maemo project (hardware and software part)
Hi, please do your best to save Maemo project (software and hardware part). Please show your support to excellent job done for Maemo project by Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia Please try to avoid any frustration in public place, please nominate some leaders among maemo developers to avoid competition conflicts. I am really afraid Maemo Project (hardware part) is partly closed. My private opinion is based on traffic generated by maemo users at InternetTabletTalk, by frustration shown in public place by some developers, by Maemo.com web site getting more and more bureauctratic place, by comments made by Quim disclosing a little interest by Nokia VIPs to listen to what Maemo community says. And finally. Great place, great Welcome page devoted to Nokia N810 and N810 Wimax version, I set up one year ago as Google Group Nokia Internet Tablet http://groups.google.com/group/nokia-internet-tablet?hl=en has been hacked by knowing man and Nokia Internet Tablet Welcome page with some hundred of web links to services providing state-of-the-art coverage to Maemo project (pictures, text, videos) has gone forever . The issue is, Welcome page's status was set to edit-protected by Google, so no third person was in capacity to remove it. As you see, there is no Welcome page at all. Welcome page option is off. So as not to enter into basic investigation, just ask Google, who did it. I contacted local Google office, Google office in Ireland, Google HQ emailed Google Groups manager in charge. So mayby my conclusion is well grounded and N810 Wimax edition is temporary closed. If I am wrong please tell more details. In either case, do your best to save Maemo project. There is a number of Linux based tablets, cell phones - Eee PC by Asus, A1200 by Motorola. Linux is excellent in embedded devices. Issue is GUI in embedded devices. Stylus operated PDA technology is 20 years old. No chance for market success. Multitouch + Maemo + glas replacing foil makes another generation of maemo hardware. There is a conflict of interest among administrator of InternetTabletTalk and other hot Nokia Internet Tablet places. Last year administrator of I.T.T removed all 3 messages I posted to I.T.T. forum to N 700, N800, N810 to say hello about new GG Nokia Internet Tablet , being afraid to loose traffic to I.T.T. Doing so he hurt Nokia's Maemo business, hurt Nokia Internet Tablet users as only N.I.T. provided some hundred valid web links to Maemo software, hardware nice places as Semantic WWW Magazine (RD Project). I.T.T. is web based forum and as a such, provides no multimedia content, no web links to third parties, so there is no conflict of interest. And the more, N.I.T. acted exactly complementary to I.T.T. And thousand visiting N.I.T. have had opportunity to get valuable information from I.T.T. discussions so traffic generated was much greater to provide some extra financing by ads placed at I.T.T. Today administrator of I.T.T. get involved in ad personam conflicts, not being able to say one word, why Nokia selected low quality gps in N810, supported by network assistance. The issue with AGPS is vwery clear. In the States, tablet users get flat rate cell access to the Internet. In Europe and in other parts of world, roaming takes place, so moving from one country to another with AGPS on you pay roaming overheads amounting 10 times basic flat cell rate if provided. So ppl going abroad try not to pick up a cell phone not to pay very high roaming fees. What is so very simple and clear, makes for I.T.T. administrator a way to make ad personam remarks. Closing. N.I.T. Semantic WWW Magazine provided at the top web link to Maemo repositories (all repositories collected by one man) to save time of happy Maemo users to spend hours on making Google queries. Maemo website unfortunately lost application catalog and valid option was application search by categories (a nightmare, as a number of categories has grown to 15-20). Maemo project is still very close to global success, much greater than Apple with IPhone, Asus with Eee PC .. To win we need to avoid any frustration , avoid ad personam attacks and empty threads like Improved N810 gps at I.T.T. , beginning with first comment like it takes hours to get a gps fix Product going to market must be tested, pretested and ready as quality product. If Nokia goes to market with such product, generating so many problems, it does mean, no testes, pretests were done and such market policy hurts Nokia customers and hurts Nokia profits. Maemo hardware is intended for end-users as ready-Internet Tablet + gps navigation and it must work excellently. As Nokia Internet Tablet is not a phone it's price must be 1/2 of the price of Internet Tablet + phone (see iPhone). With Internet tablet + phone on market, a manufacturer gets a chance to sell its Internet Tablet Phone by global network of cell phone points of sales, providing customers with reduced price
Re: Please remove Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] .net from the list
Dave, please do your best to save Maemo project (hardware and software part) stop conflicts, frustration. Read my thread Please do your best to save Maemo project (hardware and software part) and do something good for the community and for me and don't send frustrated emails addressed personally to me, any more) Just concentrate yourself on Maemo Project and how to make Maemo Tablet No.1 in the world. Chance is still open if you can keep your frustration in your pocket. FRIENDLY COOPERATION is what I expect from you. I am not responsible for business policy at Nokia. For market standing go to Bloomberg. I suggested to set up Think-Tank and Think-tank was just created and set up and is on. Let's us concentrate to make Internet Tablet multitouch and hot gizmo and don't blame Apple for iPhone's success. Try to think globally not locally. You live in 21st century. (no reply) --- On Sat, 6/9/08, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Please remove Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the list To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 2:51 PM Hi Darius, I'm contacting you off-list in the hope that you can modify your behaviour before you do more damage to the Maemo community thhan you already have. You have been posting far too often, quite incoherently, on subjects about which you apparently have no in-depth knowledge. The net result is an increased level of frustration and aggression in the community. I don't condone the kind of language that Benoit used. I will talk to him about it also. But your behaviour is a serious problem in Maemo now. I do not doubt you are well-meaning, but I request that for the good of the community that you stop posting to the mailing list for a while - and when you do post, it would be great if your posts could concern code that you have written, or documentation you're helping write, or something other than bare Nokia should do this... messages. Thank you, Dave. Darius Jack wrote: What I get from him is a violation of basic Internet standards subject to Internet abuse reporting. ___ From: Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stupid asshole could you stop spamming ... ! #!/usr/python2.5 def __mail__(): import grumphy text = str(self) + \nDO NOT FEED THE TROLL Benoît HERVIER! g = grumphy() g.send_mail(text) -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertxxx xxx x x xxx Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Remove Darius?
As a member of this list I am finding Darius' postings unacceptable for a -developer list. If he continues to post in this manner I would support his removal. Anyone else or is it just me? David ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
website ideas
Hey guys, The new site for the Mixxx project is up at Mixxx.org. I designed the site although not all the updates have been made. You can also see the logo I designed for them. If anyone thinks I'd be a good candidate to offer some design help give me a shout. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Remove Darius?
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Eric Warnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would support that as well. And so would I. S. -- question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; -- Wm. Shakespeare ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Remove Darius?
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Eric Warnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would support that as well. I don't see the point of his posts, but if he is legitimate (not a troll) then I hope he learns how to communicate whatever he is trying to say. My bet is he is some kind of 'support vampire' [1], if you are reading this I suggest you try to communicate with some people on the community off-the-record so you can come up with more useful feedback. You cannot change the world unless you understand how it works. Just ignore him on-the-record, is my suggestion. [1] http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires -- Felipe Contreras ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Remove Darius?
On Sat, Sep 06, 2008 at 03:50:42PM +0100, Sebastian 'CrashandDie' Lauwers wrote: On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Eric Warnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would support that as well. And so would I. Please! Maybe it would be more effective to poll for anyone interested in keeping him? /olle ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Remove Darius?
+1 On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:34 PM, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a member of this list I am finding Darius' postings unacceptable for a -developer list. If he continues to post in this manner I would support his removal. Anyone else or is it just me? David ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Pls remove me from the list
Hi, Read my thread first. Please do your best to save Maemo project (hardware and software part) Too much bad energy, no leaders, many frustrated, no interest to make Maemo Internet Tablet really hot global gizmo supported by financial success. You don't understand that me and my friends are another in-spe buyers of Nokia Tablet better edition. Software part without hardware part makes no market, generates no profit, no success. Let me to say you something frankly. I am the only man in my region of the world who has bought Nokia Tablet and none of my friends showed ever any interest to buy and use Linux Internet Tablet. Linux Internet Tablet is very special device and gizmo, nothing so hot like iPhone. Laptops /notebooks with preinstalled Linux in MediaMarkt can not attract buyers. Linux is for professionals not street customers. You go the wrong way, selected the wrong way of making business and some developers are really frustrated and show such frustration in public places. To succeed, you need to behave nice, be friendly and make Maemo Tablet a gizmo made by successful people for people of success. Don't expect people to buy product made by frustrated developers. You really don't know what are you doing wrong. I tried to give you free friendly advice and you still can't comprehend what I say. Just read carefully my thread Please do your best to save Maemo project (hardware and software part) and follow it one day. I am very satisfied with my Internet Tablet so I really don't understand your problems, conflicts and frustration. It works fine for me. (no reply) --- On Sat, 6/9/08, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Remove Darius? To: maemo-developers@maemo.org maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 4:34 PM As a member of this list I am finding Darius' postings unacceptable for a -developer list. If he continues to post in this manner I would support his removal. Anyone else or is it just me? David ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Remove Darius?
David Greaves wrote: As a member of this list I am finding Darius' postings unacceptable for a -developer list. If he continues to post in this manner I would support his removal. Right now there isn't (to my knowledge) any published set of appropriate use guidelines for the list by which one can judge the behavior of any particular member. In the absence of such guidelines, and moderators empowered to enforce them, banning a particular email address seems like bad mojo (not to mention likely ineffective). That said, in the past I've found his posts more inflamatory than contributory and I've killfiled him long ago. I've been much happier since, the whole tone of the list feels much less combative and negative without his posts (I've even left in threads and responses to his posts, which are generally fine without his contributions). My recommendation is to trash his messages without reading them, and don't feed him. Thanks, Mike Lococo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Remove Darius?
Am Samstag, den 06.09.2008, 17:51 +0300 schrieb Felipe Contreras: Just ignore him on-the-record, is my suggestion. Even by filtering his postings to /dev/null I still receive follow-up list posts by people that are willing to discuss instead of ignore. I'm also in favor of removing. https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers notes how to contact the list maintainers. Am Samstag, den 06.09.2008, 11:31 -0400 schrieb Mike Lococo: Right now there isn't (to my knowledge) any published set of appropriate use guidelines for the list by which one can judge the behavior of any particular member. The Maemo community might want to initiate something similar to http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct , though reality in GNOME is sometimes far away from these recommendations. ;-) andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Remove Darius?
I'm another person who supports the idea of his removal. On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:34 PM, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a member of this list I am finding Darius' postings unacceptable for a -developer list. If he continues to post in this manner I would support his removal. Anyone else or is it just me? David ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Remove Darius?
I vote for this too. He's a troll and a very good one indeed. I can accept (well, kind of) him/her/it write as he do on other Maemo mailing lists, but not on this one. Aniello On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Faheem Pervez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm another person who supports the idea of his removal. On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:34 PM, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a member of this list I am finding Darius' postings unacceptable for a -developer list. If he continues to post in this manner I would support his removal. Anyone else or is it just me? David ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Remove Darius?
Hi, David Greaves wrote: As a member of this list I am finding Darius' postings unacceptable for a -developer list. If he continues to post in this manner I would support his removal. Anyone else or is it just me? I have a great idea for reducing the noise on the developers list caused by one troublesome poster: let's create a thread asking that he be removed, and have everyone on the list reply saying they agree! Please, people - let's try to keep the list on-topic. The easiest way to do this is to stop reading replying to off-topic emails. Regards, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: and I don't think the decision makers need more input from the Maemo community
Darius Jack wrote: Nokia is lossing millions, is loosing markets oh really? You are only half correct. Nokia reported second quarter earnings today, which saw its net income fall 61 percent to 1.1 billion euros ($1.74 billion), from 2.83 billion euros ($4.49 billion), compared to a year ago despite its market share reaches 40% from 38%. http://mobchina.blogspot.com/2008/07/nokias-profits-drop-by-61.html So Nokia increased it market share and is still loosing sales. couldn't have anything to do with recession at all or high fuel prices, either hey? and Maemo, Maemo community was really a great chance for Nokia to make something special. They did. Besides, Nokia and Maemo doesn't make the community. The community makes itself. Today chances are lost. It's too late. oh. such doom and gloom... Just read Bloomberg and market analysis and stock reports. Chances for sucess and to be No.1 with Maemo success has gone forever to Samsung, Apple and emerging Google cell phones. really funny. I thought the n770, n800 and n810 has no gsm. If you know differently, please point me to the correct dev node and I will whack Qtopia Phone on there so you can use it as a gsm phone (oh wait. Qtopia Phone already runs on n810, silly me, what was I thinking. All thats needed is a phonevendor plugin). so no, it isn't competing with apple and 'emerging' android phones. as well, any android phone is just vaporware. Do you smell that? They let the blue smoke out of their reference boards... We should play fair. Maemo community was a great chance for a great victory by Nokia. Unsupported, with no leadership, no challenges set ended in frustration and half-finished products like low quality gps navigation, no-cell-phone Maemo. It was never meant as a mobile phone, otherwise there would be a gms chip on it. Besides, anyone can write a high quality gps navigation application if they want. Why leave it up to Nokia? The product is open enough to make any application possible. and now with qt4-maemo, it has never been easier. At the same time Samsung, Apple, Google made very fast progress with emerging technologies, multitouch products, high-quality integrated navigation. good for them. They are mobile phones... I can't blame you for a defeat, but frankly speaking, you showed no interest to make Maemo developers the Champions - world-leaders in emerging technologies and products, giving handicap to Apple and Samsung to make much faster progress. Perhaps you haven't heard about maemo-qt? Try writing an app for your iPhone that you can simply recompile to run on linux, mac and windows... Lost chance by Nokia is not my personal opinion. yes. it is. Lost chance is market analysis published by Bloomberg. I think growing in market share from 38% to 40% is doing well. But this is a differing market to what the tablets are competing in, so your point is moot. just what Bloomberg says: [snip some mumbojumbo personal opinions] The only chance for success is to have comm unity of developers really integrated with main development strategies again, see maemo-qt4. it is the future I think... and my suggestion to set up Think-Tank made some months ago was the right direction. ok. so where is your thinktank and what documents have they produced? Wish you success anyway. (and pls don't delete my post and don't take it personally) I wont take it personally, after all, it is just your opinion. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Remove Darius?
Dave Neary wrote: Hi, David Greaves wrote: As a member of this list I am finding Darius' postings unacceptable for a -developer list. If he continues to post in this manner I would support his removal. Anyone else or is it just me? I have a great idea for reducing the noise on the developers list caused by one troublesome poster: let's create a thread asking that he be removed, and have everyone on the list reply saying they agree! Firstly: I deliberately did not *ask* for Darius to be removed. I rather hoped enough people would reply and he'd get the message and either change his post style to respect the wishes of his peers - or just leave. In the event he's posted a request to leave - but then he's done that before. Secondly: Dave, you tried to resolve this off-list and didn't get anywhere; we know since Darius posted your private mail to a public list (a huge netiquette no-no). Thirdly: This thread was absolutely on-topic for a -developer list. Sometimes we need to look after the group and a post to the list is the only way to address the group. Darius causes a lot of irritation, has a reputation (apparently) for being a troll, and rather than have a lot of people quietly being annoyed (or loudly annoyed on IRC) I felt it was time to take a simple poll. That is, it _was_ on topic until you (and now I) responded. Lets leave it at that. Darius is more than welcome to engage in -developers topics (which he kinda did for several months - although IIRC most of them seemed to be random requests for other people to work on his pet project of the hour). David PS I suggest any follow-ups to maemo-community or IRC. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
