Re: Nokia and MS
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 13:25 -0500, Demetris wrote: How does this affect the future of Maemo on Nokia's devices? For quite a while the future has been MeeGo instead of Maemo, hence no changes to *Maemo* on Nokia devices. AFAIK it is in the hands of the Maemo community [council] no? I've three hats to wear: * Editor of this week's MWKN * Maemo Community Council member * Long-time Maemo enthusiast (five and a half years!) All three are intertwined, but this isn't the official position of the Maemo Community Council... Personally, the N900 represented a zenith for me. It was my first smartphone, but my fourth Maemo device. I hadn't realised at the time that it might be a Concorde moment[1]. MeeGo represented Nokia's new direction: an open, Linux-based, strategic vision. A range of devices from Nokia and other manufacturers. The Harmattan device would be the first: a flashier UI, smaller, faster, longer-lived battery-toting version of the N900. That's all I want: a smaller, lighter, faster version of the N900 running an evolution of Maemo 5 (primarily with some bugs fixed and more apps) which I could rely on all day. Nokia are now not going to deliver that entirely. It's *possible* the MeeGo device released this year might be interesting in the same way that the 770 was. But unlike the promise of the 770, I suspect it'll be stillborn. But there is a benefit to this that I can see. With no clear successor for the N900, some people will keep theirs for a bit longer, others - who may have been waiting for the Harmattan device - may now buy one. This means the Community SSU can have more users, more developers and more polish: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Already we've seen patches which fix hildon-desktop's CPU eating bug; make Modest work better offline; make Modest more conformant to standards; an improved TV-out control panel plugin; an improved notification LED control panel plugin and so on. Many of these also widen the system's support of portrait usage. We also already have improved development tools with the Qt SDK. Although there may not be a compelling new device, we have a reinvigorated platform. Maybe that's enough. Thanks, Andrew [1] For the uninitiated, a Concorde moment is one where mankind reaches the pinnacle of its achievement - ever since the Concorde no passenger aircraft has been built that can fly supersonic, and perhaps none ever will be. It is all downhill from there. -- http://bit.ly/g3c0PU -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
can't add comment to dowloads page
For some reason I can't add comment a comment to the mycontacts download page (https://maemo.org/downloads/product/a88273b0a89011df851e5ddbbde05c925c92/) I used to be able to. I am trying to answer a previous comment. Has anything changed? Why? Thanks in advance Felipe ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia and MS
Andrew Flegg wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 13:25 -0500, Demetris wrote: How does this affect the future of Maemo on Nokia's devices? I've three hats to wear: I only have one hat. :( But there is a benefit to this that I can see. With no clear successor for the N900, some people will keep theirs for a bit longer, others - who may have been waiting for the Harmattan device - may now buy one. This means the Community SSU can have more users, more developers and more polish: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU The graph on http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/n900/ would seem to indicate that n900 use is crashing. From one point of view this is depressing. From another viewpoint, users who have 'upgraded' after 12 months with the n900 may dump their phones on ebay. And the non-hardcore were not to some degree the 'important' userbase for things like CSSU. And as it's a 'dead' platform, it may be fairly cheap. There are many semi-interested hackers that haven't been able to justify a comparatively expensive phone. Added to the promise of the CSSU, and related efforts, as well as the increasing potential freedom both from reverse engineered bits, as well as documentation that should have been found ages ago, but for various reasons hasn't been - and code 'newly' released for meego - the platform could be an interesting one for hackers for some time to come. Even in the absence of a nice shiny new meego phone. I had aspirations to fly concorde one day - if only once. The closest I came was hearing the sonic boom, as it zoomed on its last flight past the east coast of Scotland. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia and MS
Added to the promise of the CSSU, and related efforts, as well as the increasing potential freedom both from reverse engineered bits, as well as documentation that should have been found ages ago, but for various reasons hasn't been - and code 'newly' released for meego - the platform could be an interesting one for hackers for some time to come. What reverse engineered bits and what documentation are you referring to? And what code is released for MeeGo? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Progress on Cell Broadcast, testing and help needed
http://www.cncmods.net/files/cbs.zip contains a test app I wrote (plus its code) Its job is simply to connect to the IncomingCBS dbus signal and dump the arguments to the signal to disk as binary in /var/log/cbsms.log The information in this test was found by finding the function in libsms.so that handles SMS_GSM_CB_ROUTING_NTF and (using the www.wirelessmodemapi.com docs) matching the members of the tSMS_SubGSMCBMessage structure through the code in libcsd-sms.so to the dbus arguments. When I run it on my phone (phone being set to 2G) I can see the IncomingCBS signal appearing in dbus-monitor and I can see data going into the cbsms.log but I cant see usefull data in there (i.e. no actual message). I know on my old 2G-only phone I used to get proper CBSMS messages with a cell tower name in them so I dont know whats up. What I need is for people who know their N900 is receiving cell broadcast messages to try this on their own phone and see if they get usable data (e.g. examine the cbsms.log file with a hex editor) and also for people to look at my code and see if they can identify anything wrong (or otherwise play with it) Once we get this test app properly dumping cell broadcast messages and producing correct output, building a GUI to actually display this stuff is (hopefully) the easy part (we might need some of the connectivity UI stuff like flightmode though if we want to do things properly and cleanly) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Is it possible to dump packets sent between the AP and cell modem?
I want to dump the isi/phonet packets being sent between the cellular modem and the AP so I can see the low level packet being sent for Cell Broadcast SMS and see just what data is being sent (and figure out if the issue is a bug in my code, a bug in the nokia telephony stack or an issue with what my carrier is sending as cell broadcast) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
