RE: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...
-Original Message- From: Devesh Kothari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: terça-feira, 29 de agosto de 2006 10:50 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources... ext Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: Ok, Maemo docs sucks, the SDK sucks and the Hildon stuff looks like a colony of ants... I bought Nokia 770 because I believe OPEN SOURCE, so, Nokia is using it, isn´t? Where are the sources? The lack of docs could be covered by releasing the sources... First I need to point out, I dont like the tone of this message as has been already pointed out in responses to this thread. As for the sources, from a legal stand point all required source is available through the maemo repository. http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0rc22/free/source/ Beside that if you check the About Product tab in ControlPanel-Device you will find out how you can request source code (which nokia is legally bound to provide) CD from Nokia I just wanted to build my own text editor with dead keys support for my bluetooth keyboard, but even the Maemopad example doesn't work properly (try to change font color). I would appreciate if you could attach a log or some more information or file a bug in https://maemo.org/bugzilla Usually we do run some round of test to atleast the example codes refered to in the tutorial. Unicode only works for the xterm, and worst, Notes does dead keys for screen keyboard, so, why is so hard to adapt Maemopad for dead keys? (by the way, I made a working version of Maemopad with GTK for my Linux x86 box that works as planned, so I am sure that's not me...) I think more of your agression is directed towards maemopad and your inability to modify and achieve your objectives. If that is the case, then I am quite sure the community would be happy to help you out, if you would be a bit more constructive, rather than a shot everything down kind of attitude. Nokia 770 is Debian based, Alessandro, should be great!... It´s a piece of crap, I never used because I can´t find or port applications of my interest... There´s no surprise that REAL AND USEFUL APPLICATIONS never appears at maemo repository (with some exceptions) Well i think that is your perception (and in that you in your own right maybe justified). I myself love various adventure games not available for the device either, so I guess I would be justified in my own right to shoot everything down too MY SUGGESTION FOR THE NEXT RELEASE OF shitOS 2007: Forget about Hildon, forget desktop, give me a console based OS with Lynx, vim, python (python for OS 2006 appears in Maemo 2.0 repository, forget it, there´s no Python version for OS 2006, even the list isn´t properly updated) and UNICODE support, would be great if CURSES is available too, or better, with a good framebuffer driver. It would spare Nokia Nokia 770 OS 2006 introduces the debian package management, so if thats the way you want to go, I will certainly not come in your way. You could have asked the community to tell you a way to achieve that. I am quite sure, you can gain root and open your favourite xterm and just apt-get remove packages you dont like. You are free to do all experimentation you like at your own risk. Please do post the findings of your results on the mailing list, I of one would be quite interested to know the result. There are also other tools and documentation available on maemo which talks about customizing and building your own rootfs and kernel etc. budget and make the plataform usefull and with lots of space... Besides, with a real open source OS and simple developing tools I would try QTopia. The exceptions mentioned above are CONSOLE and X11 programs, as python, smallbasic, octave, gnuplot... If you are a Hildon I think there has been many flame wars about QT/GTK+, so I would not comment anymore. Maemo and Nokia 770(OS2006) is a GTK+ based device and application development environment. Either you accept that or not thats your choice. By all means experiment with different toolkits and technologies, and if they are done in constructive manner, I am quite sure, you would still find this developer list quite willing to listen and help. developer/mantainer pay attention: the best released applications are Console based! With no fear, Hildon sucks and it's the weakspot of Nokia 770... There are very good reasons for us to extend and customize GTK+ which together with desktop components and services we call hildon. We are as a goal trying to push changes to mainstream (some will be accepted, some wont) but you can follow the status on http://maemo.org/maemowiki/MaemoGtk26Contributions Someone just confirm that I can´t get Notes sources and I'll sell my useless Nokia 770 and buy Samsung Q1 (try this one if you don´t have Nokia, believe me, the lower price of Nokia doesn't beat the ease of development of a Win32 x86 platform
RE: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
I wish the Notes instead of Maemopad. My english is so bad? Sorry. May be in portuguese: Eu quero o código fonte do Notes, o Maemopad não me interessa... E eu quero que você também explique o motivo de gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor(mybuffer, \u00E3, -1); não funcionar para Unicode. Não afronte minha inteligência, você não tem nada a ganhar com isso... -Original Message- From: Eduardo de Barros Lima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: terça-feira, 29 de agosto de 2006 10:06 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop Hi, On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/free/source/m/maemopad/ You can always use apt-get source command. I am sure that five minutes of hack and I would achieve my goals... Good luck. -- Eduardo de Barros Lima INdT - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...
You don´t help either... Are you worried about your paycheck from Nokia or the Open Source? I am worried about a bad product policy and because I am directly harmed by it. And I am here as customer, not as community member. If you work on Maemo, sorry to say, I tried as a good guy before and nobody remember... Now I spread my rage were I want, because when people criticize my work here as analyst I improve it and respect my client, no matter how angry he is. And I never told nothing personal here, so you and everyone more else with feellings should work better and assure that Maemo is really open to community, because it's not nowadays. Tell me how to write unicode chars (because is certainly changed) would be the most correct way to silence me. -Original Message- From: Anderson Briglia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: terça-feira, 29 de agosto de 2006 14:34 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources... Hi Alessandro, Are you in Brazil, right?! Why don't you request some help from PROCON? ( that means Consumer Protection Department, from whom is not in Brazil). ;-) I believe they can help you with your frustrations. As far as I understood, you are not interesting in improving anything here, you just want to spread your rage. When you buy something you already MUST know what you're buying. Anderson Briglia On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Maemo docs sucks, the SDK sucks and the Hildon stuff looks like a colony of ants... I bought Nokia 770 because I believe OPEN SOURCE, so, Nokia is using it, isn´t? Where are the sources? The lack of docs could be covered by releasing the sources... I just wanted to build my own text editor with dead keys support for my bluetooth keyboard, but even the Maemopad example doesn't work properly (try to change font color). Unicode only works for the xterm, and worst, Notes does dead keys for screen keyboard, so, why is so hard to adapt Maemopad for dead keys? (by the way, I made a working version of Maemopad with GTK for my Linux x86 box that works as planned, so I am sure that's not me...) Nokia 770 is Debian based, Alessandro, should be great!... It´s a piece of crap, I never used because I can´t find or port applications of my interest... There´s no surprise that REAL AND USEFUL APPLICATIONS never appears at maemo repository (with some exceptions) MY SUGGESTION FOR THE NEXT RELEASE OF shitOS 2007: Forget about Hildon, forget desktop, give me a console based OS with Lynx, vim, python (python for OS 2006 appears in Maemo 2.0 repository, forget it, there´s no Python version for OS 2006, even the list isn´t properly updated) and UNICODE support, would be great if CURSES is available too, or better, with a good framebuffer driver. It would spare Nokia budget and make the plataform usefull and with lots of space... Besides, with a real open source OS and simple developing tools I would try QTopia. The exceptions mentioned above are CONSOLE and X11 programs, as python, smallbasic, octave, gnuplot... If you are a Hildon developer/mantainer pay attention: the best released applications are Console based! With no fear, Hildon sucks and it's the weakspot of Nokia 770... Someone just confirm that I can´t get Notes sources and I'll sell my useless Nokia 770 and buy Samsung Q1 (try this one if you don´t have Nokia, believe me, the lower price of Nokia doesn't beat the ease of development of a Win32 x86 platform, forget the linux, open source and free for all stuff, Nokia 770 is not that). And yes, I am pissed off... I really bought Nokia 770 for my personal business purpose, confident about the debian based OS... Hacks are good when works and when you have control (sources), otherwise it's non sense time spending... (try to discover why GTK API works in your Linux x86 and doesn't in OS2006 is a good mental exercise if you have 18 hours free per day, because nobody knows and you will never see the platform sources). My opinion is clear: Nokia 770 won´t prevail with these development policies. I won´t use it and I don´t recommend as plataform for anyone, it's just a annoying gadget, do yourself a favor and buy a PSP instead (at least runs win95 with bochs and have nice 3d games). Alessandro - unhappy owner of a nokia 770 since June/2006 Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable
[maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...
Title: Nokia 770 sources... Ok, Maemo docs sucks, the SDK sucks and the Hildon stuff looks like a colony of ants... I bought Nokia 770 because I believe OPEN SOURCE, so, Nokia is using it, isn´t? Where are the sources? The lack of docs could be covered by releasing the sources... I just wanted to build my own text editor with dead keys support for my bluetooth keyboard, but even the Maemopad example doesn't work properly (try to change font color). Unicode only works for the xterm, and worst, Notes does dead keys for screen keyboard, so, why is so hard to adapt Maemopad for dead keys? (by the way, I made a working version of Maemopad with GTK for my Linux x86 box that works as planned, so I am sure that's not me...) Nokia 770 is Debian based, Alessandro, should be great!... It´s a piece of crap, I never used because I can´t find or port applications of my interest... There´s no surprise that REAL AND USEFUL APPLICATIONS never appears at maemo repository (with some exceptions) MY SUGGESTION FOR THE NEXT RELEASE OF shitOS 2007: Forget about Hildon, forget desktop, give me a console based OS with Lynx, vim, python (python for OS 2006 appears in Maemo 2.0 repository, forget it, there´s no Python version for OS 2006, even the list isn´t properly updated) and UNICODE support, would be great if CURSES is available too, or better, with a good framebuffer driver. It would spare Nokia budget and make the plataform usefull and with lots of space... Besides, with a real open source OS and simple developing tools I would try QTopia. The exceptions mentioned above are CONSOLE and X11 programs, as python, smallbasic, octave, gnuplot... If you are a Hildon developer/mantainer pay attention: the best released applications are Console based! With no fear, Hildon sucks and it's the weakspot of Nokia 770... Someone just confirm that I can´t get Notes sources and I'll sell my useless Nokia 770 and buy Samsung Q1 (try this one if you don´t have Nokia, believe me, the lower price of Nokia doesn't beat the ease of development of a Win32 x86 platform, forget the linux, open source and free for all stuff, Nokia 770 is not that). And yes, I am pissed off... I really bought Nokia 770 for my personal business purpose, confident about the debian based OS... Hacks are good when works and when you have control (sources), otherwise it's non sense time spending... (try to discover why GTK API works in your Linux x86 and doesn't in OS2006 is a good mental exercise if you have 18 hours free per day, because nobody knows and you will never see the platform sources). My opinion is clear: Nokia 770 won´t prevail with these development policies. I won´t use it and I don´t recommend as plataform for anyone, it's just a annoying gadget, do yourself a favor and buy a PSP instead (at least runs win95 with bochs and have nice 3d games). Alessandro - unhappy owner of a nokia 770 since June/2006 Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis.This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...
Nice??? I would never criticize someone that I don´t know... I am just telling some truths that others should know. I am pissed off with Nokia 770...Hildon is pure trash, that´s it... I see everyday in the list, only more bugs and flaws... Don´t you agree? Where are Hildon developers? Where are the sources? If the list is mainly for Nokia employees, sorry to say the truth: the work of support and develop OS2006 is incompetent. How they expect us to port apps with such lack of support and no system source codes? If someone hack and build another option than OS2006 I would migrate immediatelly! Even if for pure console apps... I am unhappy owner of a nokia 770... Just that, no concerns about anyone in the list or community... It´s a great hardware concept with a poor software development and policies, if someone of Nokia feel offended, no problems, every day I feel offended when I remember why I acquired Nokia 770... And I never got a reply too... And my attitude is important! As consumer is my duty to advise other possible consumers of what nokia 770 really is and what kind of problems exists. As consumer I am (I'll gently correct you) DEEPLY frustrate and angry, things costs money and I wasted mine, and worst, wasted time trying to port my apps... I work and I don´t have 18 hours per day to figure out why the Nokia API sucks... That´s not supposed to be GTK compatible? Release the sources is the natural way to evolve Maemo... Keep then and good luck for Nokia, I won´t use and won´t recommend... Now I understand Linux purists, they are right, it´s just terrible when you don´t have control... -Original Message- From: Shae Matijs Erisson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 16:44 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Subject: Re: Nokia 770 sources... Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alessandro - unhappy owner of a nokia 770 since June/2006 Dude, be nice. The attitude you show in this post would not benefit any community. It sounds like you're angry and frustrated about something and just dumping that into the mailing list. If you attack someone, they will defend. This is not the way to get answers or make friends. -- I've tried to teach people autodidactism,| ScannedInAvian.com but it seems they always have to learn it for themselves.| Shae Matijs Erisson Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...
Ok, lets kick the dog: - try to compile with SDK_PC, then with SDK_ARMEL, well, you'll never compile again in SDK_PC... - RAD?? Are you crazy??? Even the basic C API doesn't work at all... Unicode is a mistery for me after dozens of days searching... - the best feature of my Nokia is the console xTerminal... - Maemo docs are band-aid over a femural bleeding - the best apps ported to Nokia are console based or X based... Hildon based are tragic accidents. - Java doesn´t even fit in tiny 128mb... We should mount and use as root our 1gb sd cards and liberate the rest of the memory for RAM. When Linux from scratch fits for Nokia, bye bye OS2006... - Even for a normal user the basic programs that are blunded with OS2006 are too much buggy, the community ones are truly russian roulettes. - From 5 questions the developers list evolves more 6, all without answers (where I apply to be nokia employee? I just wanna a fast look in the sources to solve my dead keys problems, after that I quit) - I AM REALLY TIRED FROM PEOPLE SAYING ABOUT THE NEXT FEATURES WHEN EVEN THE NOWADAYS FEATURES DOESN'T WORK, C'MON PEOPLE, GET REAL, HELP US TO PRESSURE MAEMO TO REALLY AID PROGRAMMERS, BECAUSE PORT APPS TODAY IS A NIGHTMARE AND FRUSTRATING TASK. - DID YOU EVER SAW A LINUX DISTRIBUTION ASKS FOR SOME KIND OF SERIAL TO AUTHORIZE THE DOWNLOAD? I NEVER... BUY A WINDOWS XP MACHINE INSTEAD, IT LACKS FREEDOM AS MUCH AS OS2006, AND YOU WON'T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH SCRATCHBOX (very good name, I scratched a lot...) AND ROOTSTRAPS. -MAEMO WON'T DESERVE TIME OR ANY KIND OF EFFORTS FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S NOT OPEN, HARDLY A GOOD DEVELOPER COMMUNITY WILL EVOLVE AROUND IT. REMEMBER THAT WHEN BUYING NOKIA 770, THIS MEANS (much) LESS APPS PORTS. Alessandro - Frustrated owner of a Nokia 770 since june/06, retired Maemo amateur developer (two weeks trying to understand where hildon and GTK works), and unsuccessful user that only wanted dead keys for bluetooth keyboard (ah, the stowaway bluetooth keyboard is just great, pays for each cent) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Pernegger Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 17:56 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Cc: Shae Matijs Erisson Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources... I am just telling some truths that others should know. I'm with you insofar as - setting up the developent environment was a bitch - it still doesn't give you the same environment as a real 770 apparently - C++ plus custom framework doesn't exactly lend itself to RAD, maybe a scripting language (python, ruby, whatever) or even Java would have been a better choice. A lot of people, me included, don't have a clue about cross-compiling or embedded development. C. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
Yes, I did, and none work for me... This list included. Funny, I learned a lot of GTK and it was surprisingly easy to develop on it, for Maemo even the most basic is a nightmare. Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein? I am sure that five minutes of hack and I would achieve my goals... And I am not blaming EVERYONE, only the people from Nokia, may be you, at Recife... And I blame as customer, because I bought and I paid, and this cash is supposed to pay wages for competent and skillful work, not for a crap where simple dead keys became a bad trip. And what's this? There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them. Are you kidding me? There's solid GTK docs, no doubt, but for Maemo? Even the samples are broken... Linux has thousands of apps, Maemos is around since when? Almost one year? And all we have is that pathetic list were the most useful are console based apps... It´s yours lot more? I never needed to get involved, linux docs is online, linux from scratch is available for everyone. Just read it, and read again, let´s open the damn header file if necessary... Because the sources are there as is... Alessandro Linux User since 1999 and unhappy nokia 770 owner since june/2006 -Original Message- From: Eduardo de Barros Lima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 18:56 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bah... My future features are more realistic: -source codes; -more reliable API docs; -more reliable SDK docs; Instead of complaining about everything and blaming everyone, you could use your time to do something more productive (e.g., googling). Have you discovered one of the following pages? http://maemo.org/community/getting-involved.html https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/ http://maemo.org/platform/docs/api-index.html http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them. Best Regards, -- Eduardo de Barros Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Error with gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor () for unicode string
Title: Error with gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor () for unicode string I wrote from home, but the message never appeared... Well, here we go again: I bought nokia 770 and the bluetooth keyboard, but my mother language is portuguese and I wasn´t capable to activate deadkeys for the funny chars ã, ç, ê and so on (xmodmap doesn´t work for that, no xorg.conf, etc). So I hacked maemopad 1.5 to enforce accents. With maemopad I developed my own GTK text editor for prototype, and after the buffer receive ^ and then an A char the program is supposed to write  in the screen. My prototype running x86 Linux GTK works fine for gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor (buffer, \u00E2, -1), but when I try this for my gtk_signal for key_press_event in maemopad nothing happens. Nokia 770 displays funny chars, in fact the screen keyboard has dead keys for portuguese, but the same is not true for Bluetooth keyboard. The only and last problem for my Maemopad hack for accents with bluetooth keyboards is this single line: gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor (buffer, \u00E2, -1); If you try ASCII char, it works! gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor (buffer, a, -1); And for my x86 Linux GTK prototype unicode works too! Some idea? Alessandro Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis.This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
