RE: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
You don´t help either...
Are you worried about your paycheck from Nokia or the Open Source? I am worried 
about a bad product policy and because I am directly harmed by it.
And I am here as customer, not as community member. If you work on Maemo, sorry 
to say, I tried as a good guy before and nobody remember... Now I spread my 
rage were I want, because when people criticize my work here as analyst I 
improve it and respect my client, no matter how angry he is. 

And I never told nothing personal here, so you and everyone more else with 
feellings should work better and assure that Maemo is really open to community, 
because it's not nowadays.

Tell me how to write unicode chars (because is certainly changed) would be the 
most correct way to silence me.

-Original Message-
From: Anderson Briglia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: terça-feira, 29 de agosto de 2006 14:34
To: Alessandro Ikeuchi
Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org
Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...


Hi Alessandro,

Are you in Brazil, right?! Why don't you request some help from PROCON? ( that 
means Consumer Protection Department, from whom is not in Brazil). ;-) I 
believe they can help you with your frustrations. As far as I understood, you 
are not interesting in improving anything here, you just want to "spread" your 
rage. When you buy something you already MUST know what you're buying.

Anderson Briglia

On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ok, Maemo docs sucks, the SDK sucks and the Hildon stuff looks like a 
> colony of ants... I bought Nokia 770 because I believe OPEN SOURCE, 
> so, Nokia is using it, isn´t? Where are the sources? The lack of docs 
> could be covered by releasing the sources...
>
> I just wanted to build my own text editor with dead keys support for 
> my bluetooth keyboard, but even the Maemopad example doesn't work 
> properly (try to change font color).
>
> Unicode only works for the xterm, and worst, Notes does dead keys for 
> screen keyboard, so, why is so hard to adapt Maemopad for dead keys? 
> (by the way, I made a working version of Maemopad with GTK for my 
> Linux x86 box that works as planned, so I am sure that's not me...)
>
> "Nokia 770 is Debian based, Alessandro, should be great!"... It´s a 
> piece of crap, I never used because I can´t find or port applications 
> of my interest... There´s no surprise that "REAL AND USEFUL 
> APPLICATIONS" never appears at maemo repository (with some exceptions)
>
> MY SUGGESTION FOR THE NEXT RELEASE OF shitOS 2007:  Forget about 
> Hildon, forget desktop, give me a console based OS with Lynx, vim, 
> python (python for OS 2006 appears in Maemo 2.0 repository, forget it, 
> there´s no Python version for OS 2006, even the list isn´t properly 
> updated) and UNICODE support, would be great if CURSES is available 
> too, or better, with a good framebuffer driver. It would spare Nokia 
> budget and make the plataform usefull and with lots of space... 
> Besides, with a real open source OS and simple developing tools I 
> would try QTopia. The exceptions mentioned above are CONSOLE and X11 
> programs, as python, smallbasic, octave, gnuplot... If you are a 
> Hildon developer/mantainer pay attention: the best released 
> applications are Console based! With no fear, Hildon sucks and it's 
> the weakspot of Nokia 770...
>
> Someone just confirm that I can´t get Notes sources and I'll sell my 
> useless Nokia 770 and buy Samsung Q1 (try this one if you don´t have 
> Nokia, believe me, the lower price of Nokia doesn't beat the ease of 
> development of a Win32 x86 platform, forget the "linux, open source 
> and free for all stuff", Nokia 770 is not that). And yes, I am pissed 
> off... I really bought Nokia 770 for my personal business purpose, 
> confident about the "debian based" OS... Hacks are good when works and 
> when you have control (sources), otherwise it's non sense time 
> spending... (try to discover why GTK API works in your Linux x86 and 
> doesn't in OS2006 is a good mental exercise if you have 18 hours free 
> per day, because nobody knows and you will never see the platform 
> sources).
>
> My opinion is clear: Nokia 770 won´t prevail with these development 
> policies. I won´t use it and I don´t recommend as plataform for 
> anyone, it's just a annoying gadget, do yourself a favor and buy a PSP 
> instead (at least runs win95 with bochs and have nice 3d games).
>
> Alessandro - unhappy owner of a nokia 770 since June/2006
>
>
>
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RE: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop

2006-08-29 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
I wish the Notes instead of Maemopad.
My english is so bad? Sorry. May be in portuguese:
Eu quero o código fonte do Notes, o Maemopad não me interessa...
E eu quero que você também explique o motivo de 
gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor(mybuffer, "\u00E3", -1); não funcionar para 
Unicode. Não afronte minha inteligência, você não tem nada a ganhar com isso...

-Original Message-
From: Eduardo de Barros Lima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: terça-feira, 29 de agosto de 2006 10:06
To: Alessandro Ikeuchi
Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org; maemo-users@maemo.org
Subject: Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo 
Desktop


Hi,

On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY 
> YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein?

http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/free/source/m/maemopad/

You can always use "apt-get source" command.

> I am sure that five minutes of hack and I would achieve my goals...
>

Good luck.

-- 
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INdT - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia
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RE: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
. I say that the hardware is perfect, just freely release the OS 
with more conviction.

End of file.

Alessandro




-Original Message-
From: Devesh Kothari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: terça-feira, 29 de agosto de 2006 10:50
To: Alessandro Ikeuchi
Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org
Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...


ext Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote:

> Ok, Maemo docs sucks, the SDK sucks and the Hildon stuff looks like a 
> colony of ants... I bought Nokia 770 because I believe OPEN SOURCE, 
> so, Nokia is using it, isn´t? Where are the sources? The lack of docs 
> could be covered by releasing the sources...
>
First I need to point out, I dont like the tone of this message as has been 
already pointed out in responses to this thread. As for the sources, from a 
legal stand point all required source is available through the maemo repository.

http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0rc22/free/source/

Beside that if you check the "About Product" tab in ControlPanel->Device you 
will find out how you can request source code (which nokia is legally bound to 
provide) CD from Nokia

> I just wanted to build my own text editor with dead keys support for 
> my bluetooth keyboard, but even the Maemopad example doesn't work 
> properly (try to change font color).
>
I would appreciate if you could attach a log or some more information or file a 
bug in https://maemo.org/bugzilla

Usually we do run some round of test to atleast the example codes refered to in 
the tutorial.

> Unicode only works for the xterm, and worst, Notes does dead keys for 
> screen keyboard, so, why is so hard to adapt Maemopad for dead keys? 
> (by the way, I made a working version of Maemopad with GTK for my 
> Linux x86 box that works as planned, so I am sure that's not me...)
>
I think more of your agression is directed towards maemopad and your inability 
to modify and achieve your objectives. If that is the case, then I am quite 
sure the community would be happy to help you out, if you would be a bit more 
constructive, rather than a "shot everything down" kind of attitude.

> "Nokia 770 is Debian based, Alessandro, should be great!"... It´s a 
> piece of crap, I never used because I can´t find or port applications 
> of my interest... There´s no surprise that "REAL AND USEFUL 
> APPLICATIONS" never appears at maemo repository (with some exceptions)
>
Well  i think that is your perception (and in that you in your own right maybe 
justified). I myself love various adventure games not available for the device 
either, so I guess I would be justified in my own right to "shoot everything 
down too"

> MY SUGGESTION FOR THE NEXT RELEASE OF shitOS 2007:  Forget about 
> Hildon, forget desktop, give me a console based OS with Lynx, vim, 
> python (python for OS 2006 appears in Maemo 2.0 repository, forget it, 
> there´s no Python version for OS 2006, even the list isn´t properly
> updated) and UNICODE support, would be great if CURSES is available 
> too, or better, with a good framebuffer driver. It would spare Nokia
>
Nokia 770 OS 2006 introduces the debian package management, so if thats the way 
you want to go, I will certainly not come in your way. You could have asked the 
community to tell you a way to achieve that. I am quite sure, you can gain root 
and  open your favourite xterm and just apt-get remove packages you dont like. 
You are free to do all experimentation you like at your own risk. Please do 
post the findings of your results on the mailing list, I of one would be quite 
interested to know the result.

There are also other tools and documentation available on maemo which talks 
about customizing and building your own rootfs and kernel etc.

> budget and make the plataform usefull and with lots of space... 
> Besides, with a real open source OS and simple developing tools I 
> would try QTopia. The exceptions mentioned above are CONSOLE and X11 
> programs, as python, smallbasic, octave, gnuplot... If you are a 
> Hildon
>
I think there has been many flame wars about QT/GTK+, so I would not comment 
anymore. Maemo and Nokia 770(OS2006) is a GTK+ based device and application 
development environment. Either you accept that or not thats your choice. By 
all means experiment with different toolkits and technologies, and if they are 
done in constructive manner, I am quite sure, you would still find this 
developer list quite willing to listen and help.

> developer/mantainer pay attention: the best released applications are 
> Console based! With no fear, Hildon sucks and it's the weakspot of 
> Nokia 770...
>
There are very good reasons for us to extend and customize GTK+ which together 
with desktop components and services we call hildon. We are as a goal trying to 
push changes to mainstream (some will be accepted, some
wont)

RE: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop

2006-08-28 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
Yes, I did, and none work for me... This list included.
Funny, I learned a lot of GTK and it was surprisingly easy to develop on it, 
for Maemo even the most basic is a nightmare.

Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T 
SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein?
I am sure that five minutes of hack and I would achieve my goals...

And I am not blaming EVERYONE, only the people from Nokia, may be you, at 
Recife... And I blame as customer, because I bought and I paid, and this cash 
is supposed to pay wages for competent and skillful work, not for a crap where 
simple dead keys became a bad trip.

And what's this? "There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them." Are you 
kidding me? There's solid GTK docs, no doubt, but for Maemo? Even the samples 
are broken... Linux has thousands of apps, Maemos is around since when? Almost 
one year? And all we have is that pathetic list were the most useful are 
console based apps... It´s yours "lot more"? 

I never needed to "get involved", linux docs is online, "linux from scratch" is 
available for everyone. Just read it, and read again, let´s open the damn 
header file if necessary... Because the sources are there as is...

Alessandro Linux User since 1999 and unhappy nokia 770 owner since june/2006

-Original Message-
From: Eduardo de Barros Lima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 18:56
To: Alessandro Ikeuchi
Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org; maemo-users@maemo.org
Subject: Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo 
Desktop


On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bah...
> My future features are more realistic:
> -source codes;
> -more reliable API docs;
> -more reliable SDK docs;

Instead of complaining about everything and blaming everyone, you could use 
your time to do something more productive (e.g., googling). Have you discovered 
one of the following pages?

http://maemo.org/community/getting-involved.html
https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/
http://maemo.org/platform/docs/api-index.html
http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html

There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them.

Best Regards,

-- 
Eduardo de Barros Lima
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-28 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
Ok, lets kick the dog:
- try to compile with SDK_PC, then with SDK_ARMEL, well, you'll never compile 
again in SDK_PC...
- RAD?? Are you crazy??? Even the basic C API doesn't work at all... Unicode is 
a mistery for me after dozens of days searching...
- the best feature of my Nokia is the console xTerminal...
- Maemo docs are band-aid over a femural bleeding
- the best apps ported to Nokia are console based or X based... Hildon based 
are tragic accidents.
- Java doesn´t even fit in tiny 128mb... We should mount and use as root our 
1gb sd cards and liberate the rest of the memory for RAM. When "Linux from 
scratch" fits for Nokia, bye bye OS2006...
- Even for a normal user the basic programs that are blunded with OS2006 are 
too much buggy, the community ones are truly russian roulettes.
- From 5 questions the developers list evolves more 6, all without answers 
(where I apply to be nokia employee? I just wanna a fast look in the sources to 
solve my dead keys problems, after that I quit)

- I AM REALLY TIRED FROM PEOPLE SAYING ABOUT "THE NEXT FEATURES" WHEN EVEN THE 
NOWADAYS FEATURES DOESN'T WORK, C'MON PEOPLE, GET REAL, HELP US TO PRESSURE 
MAEMO TO REALLY AID PROGRAMMERS, BECAUSE PORT APPS TODAY IS A NIGHTMARE AND 
FRUSTRATING TASK.

- DID YOU EVER SAW A LINUX DISTRIBUTION ASKS FOR SOME KIND OF SERIAL TO 
AUTHORIZE THE DOWNLOAD? I NEVER... BUY A WINDOWS XP MACHINE INSTEAD, IT LACKS 
FREEDOM AS MUCH AS OS2006, AND YOU WON'T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH SCRATCHBOX (very 
good name, I scratched a lot...) AND ROOTSTRAPS.

-MAEMO WON'T DESERVE TIME OR ANY KIND OF EFFORTS FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY 
BECAUSE IT'S NOT OPEN, HARDLY A GOOD DEVELOPER COMMUNITY WILL EVOLVE AROUND IT. 
REMEMBER THAT WHEN BUYING NOKIA 770, THIS MEANS (much) LESS APPS PORTS.

Alessandro - Frustrated owner of a Nokia 770 since june/06, retired Maemo 
amateur developer (two weeks trying to understand where hildon and GTK works), 
and unsuccessful user that only wanted dead keys for bluetooth keyboard (ah, 
the stowaway bluetooth keyboard is just great, pays for each cent)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian 
Pernegger
Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 17:56
To: maemo-developers@maemo.org
Cc: Shae Matijs Erisson
Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...


> I am just telling some truths that others should know.

I'm with you insofar as
- setting up the developent environment was a bitch
- it still doesn't give you the same environment as a real 770 apparently
- C++ plus custom framework doesn't exactly lend itself to RAD, maybe a 
scripting language (python, ruby, whatever) or even Java would have been a 
better choice. A lot of people, me included, don't have a clue about 
cross-compiling or embedded development.

C.
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[maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-28 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
Nice??? I would never criticize someone that I don´t know... I am just telling 
some truths that others should know.
I am pissed off with Nokia 770...Hildon is pure trash, that´s it... I see 
everyday in the list, only more bugs and flaws... Don´t you agree?
Where are Hildon developers? Where are the sources? If the list is mainly for 
Nokia employees, sorry to say the truth: the work of support and develop OS2006 
is incompetent. How they expect us to port apps with such lack of support and 
no system source codes?

If someone hack and build another option than OS2006 I would migrate 
immediatelly! Even if for pure console apps...

I am unhappy owner of a nokia 770... Just that, no concerns about anyone in the 
list or community...
It´s a great hardware concept with a poor software development and policies, if 
someone of Nokia feel offended, no problems, every day I feel offended when I 
remember why I acquired Nokia 770...
And I never got a reply too...

And my attitude is important! As consumer is my duty to advise other possible 
consumers of what nokia 770 really is and what kind of problems exists. As 
consumer I am (I'll gently correct you) DEEPLY frustrate and angry, things 
costs money and I wasted mine, and worst, wasted time trying to port my apps... 
I work and I don´t have 18 hours per day to figure out why the Nokia API 
sucks... That´s not supposed to be GTK compatible? Release the sources is the 
natural way to evolve Maemo... Keep then and good luck for Nokia, I won´t use 
and won´t recommend...

Now I understand Linux purists, they are right, it´s just terrible when you 
don´t have control... 


-Original Message-
From: Shae Matijs Erisson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 16:44
To: Alessandro Ikeuchi
Subject: Re: Nokia 770 sources...


"Alessandro Ikeuchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Alessandro - unhappy owner of a nokia 770 since June/2006

Dude, be nice. 

The attitude you show in this post would not benefit any community.

It sounds like you're angry and frustrated about something and just dumping 
that into the mailing list. If you attack someone, they will defend. This is 
not the way to get answers or make friends.
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RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop

2006-08-28 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
Bah...
My future features are more realistic:
-source codes;
-more reliable API docs;
-more reliable SDK docs;

Until there it's a useless gadget...

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danny
Milosavljevic
Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 16:19
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Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org
Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop


Hi,

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:41:51 -0500, David D. Hagood wrote:
> Integration of the Festival Text to speech engine as an optional
> component, with hooks into the RSS feed reader and mail client would
be 
> nice - that way you could download an RSS feed and have it read to you

> while you are doing something else.

Hehehe, that's nice. Is there some kind of embedded festival package for
the nokia 770 already? :)

> Integration of a calendaring app (e.g. GPE) with the evolution data 
> server such that a common location for all calendaring data can be set

> up.

ical, a remote mount point/rsync? *wonders*

> 
> Sync of the internal Evolution data server with an external server, to

> allow syncing with Desktop Evolution.

ical, a remote mount point/rsync? *wonders*

> [...]

cheers,
  Danny

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[maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-28 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
Title: Nokia 770 sources...






Ok, Maemo docs sucks, the SDK sucks and the Hildon stuff looks like a colony of ants...

I bought Nokia 770 because I believe OPEN SOURCE, so, Nokia is using it, isn´t? Where are the sources? The lack of docs could be covered by releasing the sources...

I just wanted to build my own text editor with dead keys support for my bluetooth keyboard, but even the Maemopad example doesn't work properly (try to change font color).

Unicode only works for the xterm, and worst, Notes does dead keys for screen keyboard, so, why is so hard to adapt Maemopad for dead keys? (by the way, I made a working version of Maemopad with GTK for my Linux x86 box that works as planned, so I am sure that's not me...)

"Nokia 770 is Debian based, Alessandro, should be great!"... It´s a piece of crap, I never used because I can´t find or port applications of my interest... There´s no surprise that "REAL AND USEFUL APPLICATIONS" never appears at maemo repository (with some exceptions)

MY SUGGESTION FOR THE NEXT RELEASE OF shitOS 2007:  Forget about Hildon, forget desktop, give me a console based OS with Lynx, vim, python (python for OS 2006 appears in Maemo 2.0 repository, forget it, there´s no Python version for OS 2006, even the list isn´t properly updated) and UNICODE support, would be great if CURSES is available too, or better, with a good framebuffer driver. It would spare Nokia budget and make the plataform usefull and with lots of space... Besides, with a real open source OS and simple developing tools I would try QTopia. The exceptions mentioned above are CONSOLE and X11 programs, as python, smallbasic, octave, gnuplot... If you are a Hildon developer/mantainer pay attention: the best released applications are Console based! With no fear, Hildon sucks and it's the weakspot of Nokia 770...

Someone just confirm that I can´t get Notes sources and I'll sell my useless Nokia 770 and buy Samsung Q1 (try this one if you don´t have Nokia, believe me, the lower price of Nokia doesn't beat the ease of development of a Win32 x86 platform, forget the "linux, open source and free for all stuff", Nokia 770 is not that). And yes, I am pissed off... I really bought Nokia 770 for my personal business purpose, confident about the "debian based" OS... Hacks are good when works and when you have control (sources), otherwise it's non sense time spending... (try to discover why GTK API works in your Linux x86 and doesn't in OS2006 is a good mental exercise if you have 18 hours free per day, because nobody knows and you will never see the platform sources).

My opinion is clear: Nokia 770 won´t prevail with these development policies. I won´t use it and I don´t recommend as plataform for anyone, it's just a annoying gadget, do yourself a favor and buy a PSP instead (at least runs win95 with bochs and have nice 3d games).

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[maemo-developers] Error with gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor () for unicode string

2006-08-23 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
Title: Error with gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor () for unicode string






I wrote from home, but the message never appeared...

Well, here we go again:

I bought nokia 770 and the bluetooth keyboard, but my mother language is portuguese and I wasn´t capable to activate deadkeys for the funny chars ã, ç, ê and so on (xmodmap doesn´t work for that, no xorg.conf, etc).

So I hacked maemopad 1.5 to enforce accents.

With maemopad I developed my own GTK text editor for prototype, and after the buffer receive "^" and then an "A" char the program is supposed to write "Â" in the screen.

My prototype running x86 Linux GTK works fine for   gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor (buffer, "\u00E2", -1), but when I try this for my gtk_signal for "key_press_event" in maemopad nothing happens. Nokia 770 displays funny chars, in fact the screen keyboard has dead keys for portuguese, but the same is not true for Bluetooth keyboard.

The only and last problem for my Maemopad hack for accents with bluetooth keyboards is this single line:

 

gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor (buffer, "\u00E2", -1);


If you try ASCII char, it works!


gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor (buffer, "a", -1);


And for my x86 Linux GTK prototype unicode works too!


Some idea?


Alessandro


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