Re: MeeGo
On 15 Feb 2010, at 16:21, Thomas Tanner wrote: > On 15.02.10 16:47, Jeremiah Foster wrote: >>> The problem is more complex than converting binary .debs to .rpms >>> using a hack. >> alien is not a hack. > > the hack referes to a process ignoring the issues listed below. No > automated process can take into account all the distribution and program > specific quirks. > >>> The dependencies, the build script and Debian (ucf, debconf) or >>> Maemo (maemo-optify) specific aspects of the sources would need to >>> be adapted as well. Backporting to Maemo5 would also be more >>> difficult. >> >>> Who benefits more from the merger, Moblin or Maemo? >> Both benefit if we get the kind of scale that is imagined. > > I'm not critising the merger itself, but how and what is merged > and whether that are top-down decisions or whether the community is > involved. > > AFAIK there a hardly any Moblin specific third-party apps. > It could be much less effort to integrate the Moblin components > in a Debian based system than converting all Maemo apps to Moblin/RPM. Its already been done with the Ubuntu Moblin Remix. (Disclaimer, I work for Canonical who did the Moblin Remix). > Thomas Tanner -- Regards, Jamie. -- http://www.linuxuk.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: The Summit: Git/Gitorious - Untracked talks: consider adding them...
Please see my comments in-line below. On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 12:57 +0100, David Greaves wrote: > I proposed a talk at the summit on DVCS and git and it has not been accepted > by > the talk selection group. This isn't a complaint :) . . . . . however I > do worry that it might be a mistake... what do you think? Its good to bring any doubts about the selection process out to a wider audience, thanks. I'll try to explain why _I_ voted a no (although it wasn't a definite no, see below). You have another talk, "An Alternative to Autobuilder/Scratchbox" which would be a talk, in your own words, "about the processes around Mer builds, access controls, managing integration with our DVCS (git), acceleration tricks and generally how to make good use of things you find lying about on the web." Now I see this as overlapping somewhat with the DVCS talk and my suggestion was to combine the two to give a higher level but more complete picture of development with the current tools we have. > I personally thing think that as a development community with git on garage > and > gitorious.org we should be making efforts to understand how best to use DVCS > processes to collaborate. Agreed, see below. > Maybe it's just me but I see a lot of devs who are new to DVCS and very few > community guidelines on how to use DVCS. Qt uses it but, as we've recently > been > discussing, it could be going better. > > Frankly I don't care which 'good practice' I use - I can go out and find lots > of > them. But it strikes me that as a community we should at least say "hey, > quite a > few of us are using this approach - if you don't have any strong preferences > then you can use it too" But does this admiral goal translate well to a presentation or something else? I see this not as a presentation, but more of a collaborative effort with like-minded individuals hence I suggest a BOF. We have a lot of physical space at the Summit. I'm sure we can get room for a BOF session on DVCS practices with the results presented in a lightening talk the next day and reported on the wiki. How does that sound? > David Regards, Jamie. -- http://www.linuxuk.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Any plan for PyQt and Harmattan (official support)?
On 10 Jul 2009, at 08:59, Andrea Grandi wrote: > My question is: wil PyQt be officially supported by Nokia in > Harmattan? I don't speak for Nokia but it would be a safe bet that PyQt would be supported. Python is a language extensively used on the tablets and I can't see that changing in Harmattan. It would be nice to see this confirmed officially though. > Andrea Grandi Regards, Jamie. -- http://www.linuxuk.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo will switch (completely?) to Qt?
On 7 Jul 2009, at 03:59, 3rdShift wrote: > If you plan to stay in the business as career software developer, then > the ability and willingness to retool yourself with new language/OS > is a > must. I was going to say out of this thread but ... I bit. I actually agree with the above statement even though its been shot down a little. I have a pretty extensive background in software development and from my point of view, learning new languages is just part of the course. Now if you have the time or inclination to do so is an entirely different prospect. I understand that the majority of us are volunteers, we do this because we love to do so. If this changes with the switch to QT then I hope, for Nokia's sake, that the non-C++ lovers get replaced with C++ enthusiasts and the eco-system continues to grow. I for one am an assembler/C developer (among other things) but the switch to C++ doesn't actually put me off developing, it only fuels my enthusiasm as its another feather to add to my bow. Nokia _have_ to do this. With the clout that Google has with Android there is really no other reason for manufacturers to choose anything else when looking for a Linux solution apart from what extra software the platform has cultivated (think iPhone app lock-in). If Nokia build their S60 and Linux app base with QT then Nokia/Tablet users will eventually reach the stage of critical app dependancy that locks them in just like the iPhone/iPod Touch. The Internet Tablet can't do that on its own, its needs the push from the S60+QT install-base. Oh and can I say, HUGE potential in harvesting open source developers to develop for Nokia in QT for not only Internet Tablets but Phones too! Regards, Jamie. -- http://www.linuxuk.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo will switch (completely?) to Qt?
On 5 Jul 2009, at 21:46, Andrea Grandi wrote: > Hi, > > 2009/7/5 Klaus Rotter : >> Hi there, >> Quim Gil told this at his keynote at the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit. >> If this is true, what will happen to the gtk toolkit? Will it stay on >> the tablet? When will it be obsolete? > > gtk will be available for maemo 6, but it will be "community > maintained" just like Qt is now Indeed. It is mentioned on one of the slides Quim linked to. Regards, Jamie. -- http://www.linuxuk.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: calendar-backend
On 11 Jun 2009, at 21:08, gary liquid wrote: > Hubert, > > Compiling my pure C in a C++ compiler is indeed possible. > However, it takes 10x longer on my tablet to compile even simple > programs using a c++ compiler. > > I don't mind if the libs aren't available, it was just a nicety for me > - there will be other libraries that are usable as required I am sure. Forgive my ignorance but is it 10x longer to compile or 10x increment in speed? Compilation speed is a matter of grabbing two coffee's instead of one, run time speed is a matter of giving up completely. (oh and compiling on the tablet is so 1980's ;) ) > Gary Regards, Jamie. -- http://www.linuxuk.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: calendar-backend
On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:15, Hubert Figuiere wrote: > On 06/10/2009 07:32 AM, Sampo Savola wrote: >> There seems to be only C++ interface for this. >> >> How should this be used in C application, >> is there going to be C interface also? > > You can mix C and C++ easily. You can recompile your C code with a C++ > compiler[1]. Anyway, C is a just a C++ revolutionists realization of a programming language. Some day they will come back and say, what was I thinking. Hey I should print that on a t-shirt. > Hub Regards, Jamie. -- http://www.linuxuk.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Location framework question
On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:26, Marius Vollmer wrote: > ext Jamie Bennett writes: > >> I can't see why WiFi access point information couldn't be done in >> add-on >> user software, maybe integrate it into Plazes[1] on the tablet? If >> fact with >> with Nokia's acquisition of Plazes I'd be surprised if we don't see >> it in >> some form on the tablet. > > There will be a talk at this years Desktop Summit about the new > "ContextKit" that we are cobbling together. > >http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/node/223 Oh I would of loved to have attended this year, sadly I won't be though. I hope someone records the session and puts them online. Regards, Jamie. -- http://www.linuxuk.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Location framework question
maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org wrote: > GPS is in there, what about things like WiFi access point > locations (i.e. the same thing that the iPhone does) and cell tower > id numbers? I can't see why WiFi access point information couldn't be done in add-on user software, maybe integrate it into Plazes[1] on the tablet? If fact with with Nokia's acquisition of Plazes I'd be surprised if we don't see it in some form on the tablet. Cell tower information maybe a little trickier. Nokia will have to make that visable to user space and I'm not sure if that would be in the interests of Nokia or the carriers. I know the iPhone can be put in a mode that reports cell tower information but that is supposed to be for field engineers only. > I'm just wondering how continual the reporting of the > location information will be, and therefore what sorts of > cool apps would be possible. I'd also be interested to know > the power hit that using things like the GPS and > communicating data will have on overall battery life. > Not much point having a cool context/location aware app that > tracks your movements if it halves your battery life, etc. All things I would like to know too but it seems that, from the lack of responses that we will just have to wait. > Cheers, > Simon Regards, Jamie. -- http://www.linuxuk.org [1] http://plazes.com/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Fremantle OpenGL wrapper?
Kate Alhola wrote: > i think that games are very important applications. They have a lot of users, there is lot of business with them . Indeed. If you look at the top applications in the Apple app store then you will see they are pretty much exclusively games. There is a lot of demand for games on mobile devices. > Kate Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Canola is free!
Eduardo Lima (Etrunko) wrote: > I'm pleased to announce that I've just closed bug #3881, which means > that from now on Canola and all its components are licensed under the > GNU General Public License version 3. This is great news, congratulations ! Any reason you and the team went for version 3 rather than 2 of the GPL? > Best Regards, Etrunko. Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Clutter in Fremantle (Alpha SDK)
gary liquid wrote: > I touch my code and its such a liberating feeling! Oh, too much information Gary ;) > gary Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [LWN] Embedded Linux and the community
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 18:07 +0200, Eero Tamminen wrote: > If you look at the LWN kernel page article "Most active 2.6.27 > employers" table "changed lines" side, Nokia is at least for that > kernel version listed higher than for example Novell or Intel. > > I.e. you got it a bit wrong, Nokia works with the upstream community > so that less Maemo specific changes are needed. Indeed - http://www.linuxuk.org/node/69 > - Eero Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle alpha SDK release timeframe?
> On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 14:20 +0100, Andrew Flegg wrote: > [2] Am I entirely mis-remembering? Niels suggested on IRC it was > always December, with November being a "nice to have". At the summit the conversations always stated November but maybe that was the 'optimism'? I think it may be in Peters talk I recorded - http://vimeo.com/1853196 if not I'm sure I have someone on video saying November somewhere ;) Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo-mapper vector data backend follow-up
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 14:13 +0100, Simon Pickering wrote: > Anyway, good to see that there are others interested in the topic :) Judging by the various discussions on/off line I think there are many people interested in navigation on the tablets. It's a very worthwhile project and one that I will be closely following (and helping out if I can). > Cheers, > > > Simon Regards, Jamie. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: stlc45xx: open source WLAN driver for N800 and N810
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 23:29 +0300, Kalle Valo wrote: > >> I'm sending this from Helsinki-Vantaa airport on my way to Berlin. I > >> will be giving a presentation about stlc45xx at the Maemo Summit on > >> Friday 15:00. See you there! > > > > hopefully these will be recorded for those on the other side of the planet. > > I hope not because I suck as a presenter =) No escaping, it _will_ be recorded ;P Regards, Jamie -- http:/www.linuxuk.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Kernel level checkpoint & restart
On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 15:24 +0100, Andrew Flegg wrote: > Hi, > > Today's LWN has an interesting article on a patchset being developed > to give checkpoint & restart functionality to Linux: > > http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/293575/03bb471d0d0b9261/ > > This'd effectively allow the kernel to freeze a process and restore it > at a later date. The immediate thought in my mind was using this to > help automatically deal with low-memory, low-battery and standby > problems in Maemo. Looks very interesting indeed! > Cheers, > > Andrew Regards, Jamie. -- http://www.linuxuk.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to read gps data and save them to text file on-the-fly ?
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 15:43 +, Darius Jack wrote: > what is a nice, simple solution, working script to read fix gps data > gpsd + script ? I use gps-saver[1]. Works great for me to gather GPS data which I later combine with my photos to provide geotagging information. > Thanks. > Darius Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org [1] https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gps-saver/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Introduction to Maemo hacking on Maemo-Summit?
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 11:38 -0700, Urivan Saaib wrote: > It is an excellent idea, but please: > > - Share the slides, and > - If possible, plan on recording/broadcasting the sessions. If the presentation is happening at the Maemo summit then I can record it as part of the recording team if there is enough interest. > Regards, > > -Urivan Flores Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [Query] apt-get update failed
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 15:16 +0530, atul raut wrote: > Hi all, > > When I am trying [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get update > > It failed with Error message > > "Failed to fetch > ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz Unable > to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file.I" > > why it is so ? > Any Idea can anyone have ? Can you ping the outside world? http://www.google.com for instance? whats in your /etc/apt/sources.list? > br > atul Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Standardization of packages version name in the extra repositories
On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 09:17 -0400, Jason Edgecombe wrote: > BTW, is there something like debian-mentors for maemo? This would be > extremely useful for someone as myself who is a newbie when it comes to > debian packaging. Not that I know of but it would be a good idea; #maemo-newbies ;) ? > Jason Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo Bug Jar #15
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 09:58 +0300, Quim Gil wrote: > I propose to have Website bugs out of the Jars. The Website bugs are > reasonably well tracked and managed mostly at a community/public level. > There are many and they add too much data to the Jars. Data that is > almost pure noise for the average Nokia guy working on Maemo software. Agreed. As a Maemo developer it would be nice to see the bugs related to the Maemo platform without the noise of the website bugs. If its not too much work and people are still interested in the website bugs then maybe split the bug jar into two? Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Shell API to call maemo-mapper commands, functions, options ?
On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 17:36 +, Darius Jack wrote: > Thanks. > There is one developer, accepting donations only (saying nothing about any > bounty). > Heard for the first time about bounty I've been seeing a few of these types of messages on web pages, mailing lists and on the tablet talk forums too. Wouldn't it be a good idea to collect these bounties and future ones on to an official page at maemo.org/bounties ? That way a would be developer or bounty instigators can post information there in a central place? Alternatively an easy way to start this could be on a wiki page like https://wiki.maemo.org/Bounties ? -- Jamie Bennett http://www.linuxuk.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
