Maemo SDK 2.2 Tutorial
Hi people: I'd like to know the author of this tutorial: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2_2_Tutorial/#settingup Because I've got some questions about the Setting Up process, which are really difficult to answer by people who haven't been so much exposed to Maemo 2.2... (very old times) -- Salut, Sebas ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Help with SDK 2.2
Hi people: Is there anybody who has an up-to-date guide to install Maemo SDK 2.2 (for 770)... ? Maybe he's right now in Barcelona...? :-) -- Salut, Sebas ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: BECOMEROOT
2008/4/16, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 04:01:45AM +0200, sebastian maemo wrote: I can install lots of applications in my cellphone (also a Nokia). But I can install only a few applications in the 770, unless I do a (non-trivial) Can you? I have an S60 phone and -although there are a number of applications for it- most of them are either 1) non-free (in code or cost), and 2) require a special signature, without which they are very difficult to install. I have an S60 3rd Nokia phone. I've installed on it: 1. A browser that works much better than the browser in 770 2. Google Maps 3. Gmail application 4. PDF viewer 5. PowerPoint viewer 6. Word viewer 7. Excel viewer 8. RealPlayer 9. Flash player 10. Audio book player 11. Book reader 12. Dictionary 13. DOS console 14. Weather app 15. mIRC 16. Blogger 17. YouTube viewer 18. Python console 19. JAVA VM 20. Basic interpreter ... Of course, I had much more applications on my 770 than on my cell phone. But to do that you need to boot from MMC. I see this attitude as completely unproductive. I completely agree. 1) it was the first edition of the IT. Anytime you willingly step into version 1.0, you become a beta tester and will be subject to all types of difficulties not necessarily expected. This is as true for new electronics as it is for first run cars. Not really. Mine was version 2.0. And in that version WPA wifi still doesn't work properly because of a problem with certificates management. It means that I cannot access the secured wifi at my uni, unless I do the trick of connecting via unsecure network and then VPN. Pretty slow and frustrating when VPN disconnects every now and then... My Nokia phone connects perfectly to the secured wifi network... 2) the 770 is now an outdated model. I loved mine and have only recently moved to an 800. I love OS2008, with the flash support, video, and easy installation of apps like canola. But it was a necessary move. If I were consent to do a little rss, web, IM, and gizmo calls, I would stick with the 770, but like you, I want more, more, more out of my internet tablet. I want to try all the differnt applications and that requires the newer operating system. An 770 costed almost USD500. No comment about changing devices as if it were changing the headphones... Once you start trying to run *any* third party app, it does become something of a chaos. Even on my 800, the catalogs (repos) have become somewhat chaotic, yet still manageable. That's right. But an 770 *without* third party apps is pretty useless... And here, as I see it, is the root of your problem. When you start doing things like booting from MMC, you have left the realm of simple end user and become a hacker. Welcome to the club! It is fun, rewarding, and frustrating. But to claim to be a simple end user, you would not even try to install applications like BecomeRoot or apps that might require root privileges. An end user is someone like a friend of mine at work; I flashed her device to OS2008 and she remains within the apps browsable through Application Manager. Sure... Nokia has made a hacker of me... I've even published wikis on Debian pages that are highly appreciated... but when I have to start from ground zero again, now and then, it's pretty frustrating... When you want to be restrained by your device, then the Apple iPhone is the right thing for you. When you want the -sometimes difficult- ability to extend your device beyond the imaginings of even its developers, then something like the maemo-based IT, or an S60 phone is for you. Pros and cons to both sides, but that is the simple presentation. Seriously, if I had bought my N80 (cell phone) before my N770, I think I wouldn't have bought it at all. Now I try to use the 770 as mini-laptop. But it lacks lots of features, like upgrading package distributions, completely resolved dependencies (it's very difficult to end up with a broken system from an up-to-date debian distribution - and I use a testing debian -, but it's very easy to end up with a broken system when playing with your 770)... enjoy hacking on your 770, you are definitely in the club now! Definitely... I wish that 770 used a standard debian (armel) distribution so that I could rely on debian servers to install, update and maintain my favourite packages... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
BECOMEROOT
Thank you very much to the developers and maintainers of the pages: http://mg.pov.lt/770 and http://eko.one.pl/maemo because they had a folder for MAEMO distributions (that is ITOS 2006) with the package BECOMEROOT in it, and now they had ERASED it completely. Nevertheless, http://mg.pov.lt/770 has kept a folder called obsolete with a package becomeroot in it, but it doesn't work. It's great that they help us so much. I've just reflashed my 770 and won't be able to easily become root again unless I buy an N800 and install BORA on it. I wish I had downloaded and saved the deb packages. Now I'm fucked. Fucking thanks. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: BECOMEROOT
2008/4/15, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There is no need to be so upset ... Yes, there is. Definitely. You can still do it the old way : - Switch to RD mode (with the linux flasher - edit the gainroot shell script Yeah, sure, why not? You're done ;) Yes, I'm done... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: BECOMEROOT
2008/4/15, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is still here http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deband since it is simple shell script it should work on any system including OS2006, just install/click the deb directly, do not add Bora repository. Again, I must thank Frantisek for his help. He also helped me a lot when I was truly upset for not being able to install a root file system in the MMC. At that time, I didn't even know how to edit a file with vim... With his kind help, I finally succeeded, and then wrote a howto where I described all the steps I followed, with his guidance. Just to be helpful and grateful to the linux maemo community. I must admit that it was really hard, but I learned a lot I didn't know about linux systems and basic administration. But it's too much, right? I cannot accept that a deb package in a bora folder is going to be useful for a mistral distribution. It's good that (as you kindly warn me) it's a simple shell script and should work anyway... but I don't want to know it. For me it's too much... I don't want to check the contents of deb packages to see whether they are going to work on my 770 or not. Bora means N800 and that's it. I'm supposed not to even touch that folder. I'm not ashamed to be a linux ignorant, by the way. When I bought my 770 nobody warned me that if I wasn't a linux hacker then my little device would only be useful to surf the web (slowly and without Flash and Java features). I can install lots of applications in my cellphone (also a Nokia). But I can install only a few applications in the 770, unless I do a (non-trivial) trick to install them on the MMC. To learn that trick was really hard. And Frantisek helped me a lot with that. Now, the package I need is gone to another folder. A folder I'm supposed not to check because I'm using mistral distribution... That's fucking nonsense. There's a chaos in deb packages maintaining and distribution... It's obviously Nokia's fault... Or maybe it's my fault because I've bought a Nokia 770 without getting first a master degree in computer science... (is that what Marius means in his PD??). I think that I'll be able to get my 770 booting again from MMC, but this kind of things should never happen. At least to a simple end user... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: 答复: Anybody heared Ubuntu mobile?
But, why would you guys want to switch from Maemo ? -- anidel Maybe because Ubuntu Mobile has got Java support?... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: 答复: Anybody heared Ubuntu mobile?
2008/3/5, =?UTF-8?Q?Beno=C3=AEt=20HERVIER=20 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Remember that java is available due to the x86 cpu. Also remember that ARM cpu has got JAZELLE (Java support) ;-) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Re: T
2008/3/5, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And remember that ARM has zero interest in helping the maemo project utilize those CPU extensions. Simply purchasing the hardware is not good enough for them. Luis They *sell* that help... :) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Best Wishes for you in the coming Chinese new year :)
Happy New Year of the Rat ;) Salut, Sebas. 2008/2/6, 黄杲 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, all: Tomorrow is Chinese New Year, and tonight is one of the happiest nights for all Chinese. Though I think currently there are not so many Maemo hackers or users in China, I believe there will more and more Maemo developers in the coming new year. Wish all Chinese maemo guys have a wonderful New Year festival and a fantastic new year. And please give me the chance to express my best wishes for all of you and Mameo! :) Best Regards Huang Gao ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed
Hi there: I'm having a problem with this issue. I don't know whether it's a bug or not. I could report it just in case. I've seen that these packages are maintained by our colleagues at Nokia Johan and Kimmo. The situation is this: 1. I've just flashed the 770 with Fanoush's image: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz 2. After installing the packages becomeroot, osso-xterm and e2fsprogs, and doing several apt-get update and apt-get upgrade I have the following problem when trying an apt-get dist-upgrade: # apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Calculating upgrade... Failed The following packages have unmet dependencies: osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages But I obviously have these packages perfectly installed... Nevertheless I try a formula that I've found in Google searching for this problem (only one result): http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:P8VfGyO0JOwJ:mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%2523maemo.2007-03-08.log.html+%22osso-app-killer:+Depends:+osso-bttools+but+it+is+not+going+to+be+installed%22hl=esct=clnkcd=2 The formula is: # apt-get -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install osso-app-killer # apt-get -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install osso-bttools The result is a successful reinstall... But it doesn't work... The problem is still the same... # apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Calculating upgrade... Failed The following packages have unmet dependencies: osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. It isn't really a problem, since I can install any package I like, even build-essential... but I'd like to be able to do a dist-upgrade ;( Salut, Sebas. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed
Hi there: I'm having a problem with this issue. I don't know whether it's a bug or not. I could report it just in case. I've seen that these packages are maintained by our colleagues at Nokia Johan and Kimmo. The situation is this: 1. I've just flashed the 770 with Fanoush's image: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz 2. After installing the packages becomeroot, osso-xterm and e2fsprogs, and doing several apt-get update and apt-get upgrade I have the following problem when trying an apt-get dist-upgrade: # apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Calculating upgrade... Failed The following packages have unmet dependencies: osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages But I obviously have these packages perfectly installed... Nevertheless I try a formula that I've found in Google searching for this problem (only one result): http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:P8VfGyO0JOwJ:mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%2523maemo.2007-03-08.log.html+%22osso-app-killer:+Depends:+osso-bttools+but+it+is+not+going+to+be+installed%22hl=esct=clnkcd=2 The formula is: # apt-get -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install osso-app-killer # apt-get -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install osso-bttools The result is a successful reinstall... But it doesn't work... The problem is still the same... # apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Calculating upgrade... Failed The following packages have unmet dependencies: osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. It isn't really a problem, since I can install any package I like, even build-essential... but I'd like to be able to do a dist-upgrade ;( Salut, Sebas. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed
Hi there: I'm having a problem with this issue. I don't know whether it's a bug or not. I could report it just in case. I've seen that these packages are maintained by our colleagues at Nokia Johan and Kimmo. The situation is this: 1. I've just flashed the 770 with Fanoush's image: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz 2. After installing the packages becomeroot, osso-xterm and e2fsprogs, and doing several apt-get update and apt-get upgrade I have the following problem when trying an apt-get dist-upgrade: # apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Calculating upgrade... Failed The following packages have unmet dependencies: osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages But I obviously have these packages perfectly installed... Nevertheless I try a formula that I've found in Google searching for this problem (only one result): http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:P8VfGyO0JOwJ:mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%2523maemo.2007-03-08.log.html+%22osso-app-killer:+Depends:+osso-bttools+but+it+is+not+going+to+be+installed%22hl=esct=clnkcd=2 The formula is: # apt-get -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install osso-app-killer # apt-get -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install osso-bttools The result is a successful reinstall... But it doesn't work... The problem is still the same... # apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Calculating upgrade... Failed The following packages have unmet dependencies: osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. It isn't really a problem, since I can install any package I like, even build-essential... but I'd like to be able to do a dist-upgrade ;( Salut, Sebas. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: busybox applet selection (again)
2008/1/2, Damien Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]: @Clarence: I agree that dpkg should be able to handle this. Would REPLACE: busybox(##version##) be needed instead of PROVIDES? Because busybox is an essential package, you can't uninstall the existing one to reinstall the new one, which makes me suspect that the new one would need to REPLACE the old one. What would happen with an order like this?... # apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 install busybox replacement Maybe a broken system? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Is the repository up
They were up when I wrote that, but today they're down again... 2007/12/26, Michael R. Head [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2007-12-25 at 11:21 -0500, harini satyanarayanan wrote: Hi, I was wondering if the repository has been fixed, if so can someone please give information on how to set-up Chinook if it was a workaround on the original process. It's not up for me. I'm still getting the bad result from the web server when the sdk install script attempts to get http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Thanks, Harini -- Michael R. Head [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/demiri.head.wedding ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
IHU
Hi, is anybody interested in porting IHU to Maemo? *IHU* is a *Voice over IP* (VoIP) application for Linux (using Qt), that creates an audio stream between two computers easily and with the minimal traffic on the network. I use Google Talk to communicate with my 770. The problem is that the other part must use Windows, since there is not any application in linux (AFAIK) that can establish a voice connection with Google Talk. Maybe I am wrong in something, because 770 is a Debian system and uses Google Talk, but that is what I have read at Google web site: http://www.google.com/talk/intl/es/otherclients.html The main features of IHU are: - Peer-to-Peer: the communication takes place directly between the computers (UDP and TCP both supported), without need of session protocols (such as SIP or H323) or other servers in the middle. - Good audio performance: IHU was born to give the best audio performance, low latency above all. For this purpose IHU is compatible with ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/, now the default Linux sound architecture, but also with JACK http://jackit.sourceforge.net/, a low latency sound server. For the audio compression, IHU uses Speexhttp://www.speex.org/, a codec optimized for speech (and completely free and open source). - Crypted stream: you have also the possibility to Encrypt/Decrypt the stream using a fast hybrid cryptographic system (RSA + Blowfish) - Command-line support: the GUI is not strictly necessary, you can run also a textual IHU from command-line (for example if you need to run the program on remote computers). - Free and Open Source: IHU is totally free and distributed under the terms of GNU General Public Licensehttp://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html The possibilities of use of IHU are endless, for example you can use it like a phone to talk with your friends all around the world, or at home/work, to talk between computers in the LAN (talkback), etc. http://ihu.sourceforge.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Problem with secure WLAN connection (about WPA-PEAP)
Hi friends, I don't know why, but I cannot connect my 770 to my University WLAN. I configure everything, and I've been able to connect with my laptop, and even with my s60 3rd (also nokia) N80... But still I cannot connect with my 770. Configuration details via Network Manager: Name: UPVNET2G WLAN: yes SSID: UPVNET2G Type: Infraestructura Method: WPA with EAP Type of EAP: PEAP Certificate: none * And that maybe the problem, because I am not able to select the Server Certificate which I have previously downloaded and installed... :( Method of EAP: MSCHAPv2 User name: Password: Ask for password: yes And that's all, but NO WAY ;-( Maybe you know another way to configure this connection via xterm... Anybody could help??? Thank you. Sebas. PD: There was a previous fatal experience without success (from Google): ** *From: tobias kutning* tarantino77 at gmail.com maemo-users%40maemo.org?Subject=%5Bmaemo-users%5D%20WPA%20with%20PEAP%20MSCHAPv2%20-%20no%20certificate%20can%20be%20chosenIn-Reply-To= *Date: **Thu Nov 10 10:26:54 EET 2005* - Previous message: [maemo-users] Re: [maemo-developers] The application Catalog page http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2005-November/000160.html - Next message: [maemo-users] Nokia 770 -- Samba shared drives, root password, alternative video players http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2005-November/000162.html - *Messages sorted by:* [ date ]http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2005-November/date.html#161 [ thread ]http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2005-November/thread.html#161 [ subject ]http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2005-November/subject.html#161 [ author ]http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2005-November/author.html#161 Hi all, I want to configure my NOKIA 770 to connect to my companies network. I installed the certificate my company is using in the certificate manager. The certificate shows up in the certificate authorities tab, not in the user tab. I chose WLAN for the certificate. When I setup the new connection, there is no certificate available to choose from the dropdown menu. I even tried rebooting the device, still no success. Software version used 1.2005.42-9 Thanks in advance for your help, Kind regards Tobias ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Problem with secure WLAN connection (about WPA-PEAP)
Hi, Zeeshan: Thank you very much, but I did already. I don't know what happens, but maybe it's just impossible to get connected. I've googled a bit more and that's what it seems to be: an unsolved (longstanding as one described it) bug. 2007/10/16, Zeeshan Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello! Certificate: none * And that maybe the problem, because I am not able to select the Server Certificate which I have previously downloaded and installed... :( AFAIK, that is the client certificate. Try using the file-manager (by double-clicking on the CA file) to install the server CA certificate. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Do you want to install as many applications as you like?
Hi. I just wrote what I needed to be written. Instead of complaining about a lack of easy documentation, I decided to write it myself. I could not delete previous documentation about how to become root or partition the mmc, just because they told about different things. The knowledge they had is still valuable since they refer to interesting details of the system for developers or advanced users. So that the EASILY tag just tries to warn the reader that this is a how-to for end users. I found previous documentation not easy available for them. This kind of users just need their devices working ASAP, without having to previously learn a lot of documentation. Salut, Sebas. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Do you want to install as many applications as you like?
Hi, I finally was able to succeed booting my 770 from MMC. Thanks to the help of Frantisec and others at this list. As I promised, and for the benefit of those who haven't done it yet, I've rather simplified the Wikis about partition of the mmc, and dual booting. Here's what I've written: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card Please let me know in case there's something wrong or incomplete. Thanks a lot. Salut. Sebas. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Span filesystem across both SD cards?
Maybe it's already tere. But it's not self-contained, and it took me a non-sleeping week to get it ready. I think it's inadmissible for an end user (though intermediate level). I even think it should be completely automated... 2007/2/3, Paul Klapperich [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is already on the wiki[1] and ITT forums. This is not new. I would recommend cleaning up the wiki page if you feel it is unclear. Alternative2 is what you did. [1] http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_BootRootFSFromMMC --Paul ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Span filesystem across both SD cards?
Hi Fran: I've got 1GB card. 128MB is the internal memory of my 770. And that is ALL I've got to install applications. Since it is IMPOSSIBLE (unless you tell me how) to install an application in MMC. So easy to understand... I think I'm going to resell my 770. I'm fed up with struggling with it and getting almost nothing. My S60 Symbian-based N80 phone works far much better than my 770. 2007/2/2, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: sebastian maemo wrote: Don't you get pretty soon the no-more-free-memory advertisement after installing octave and abiword? Wouldn't you like to install anything you like and more? http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine You need bigger card than the 128MB one, though. 1 or 2GB are not that expensive nowadays. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Span filesystem across both SD cards?
Hi Fran: I'll try that: booting from the card. I'll read and study a bit. What I don't understand is why something so logically needed (it is featured in all new brand Nokia phones) is not available as default. Just about the comparison with N80: your surprise makes me think you aren't aware of what it's really capable of. I'll tell that it's a real computer, as 770 is. The only difference is its OS: 770 is linux, and N80 is S60. But with java, python, and other languages support, my N80 is a little computer (and 3G phone). Well, I'll go on with setupping my 770... Booting from the card you said. Let's see... 2007/2/2, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: sebastian maemo wrote: Since it is IMPOSSIBLE (unless you tell me how) to install an application in MMC. I thought I just gave a hint how to do that in my last mail :-) True that internal flash won't be used at all when booting from the card but you can consider this being an advantage. You can keep internal flash as a 'safe mode'. Also who cares about slow/compressed 128MB of internal memory when the card has gigs of space and is faster? Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Span filesystem across both SD cards?
Hi Jakub: Maybe for N800, but I've bought N770 and hope last a couple of years (two as a minimum). Nevertheless I'm trying. I've just played with the copy-your-existing-filesystem thing. I think I've succeeded copying my entire system to the ext2 partition in my mmc. Cool. But it still doesn't work. Why? Just because I've got IT2006.49-2 and Fran's initfs-flasher is updated just to prior version (39-14) or next version (N800). When trying it, I get the message: !!!unknown initfs version osso-n770.2006-48, cannot install bootmenu Cannot find initfs.bootmenu.jffs2, something failed, nothing flashed. As I've saved my entire system in the mmc, I think I may go on and experiment without fear. But without initfs-flasher I cannot boot from the mmc. What could I do? Should I re-install previous IT2006.39 reflashing via desktop PC? Salut. Sebas. 2007/2/2, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What I don't understand is why something so logically needed (it is featured in all new brand Nokia phones) is not available as default. IIRC this was looked into seriously and decided to not do it. So this is not a planned feature AFAIK. Plus, its really easy to get at least 175 MB of free internal storage on N800. Br, --jakub ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Span filesystem across both SD cards?
Thank you, Marious. That encourages me a lot. Because now I've copied the whole system a la Fanoush, that is: via GNU tar. So I hope there's not going be any problem of preserved links or similar details. Now I was blocked because I didn't have got a usable initfs-flasher in order to dual-boot. Maybe the solution is just to symlink. Your help here could be precious... Yes I created ln -s /media/mmc2/usr /usr, and then renamed original /usr to /usr-old. I don't mind removing it. So the idea is correct: /usr - /media/mmc2/usr Now the problem is to mount the mmc2 before the system needs it. I've mounted at minircS, just before the line that says mount_devpts (line number 98). Would it suffice? How do I know? I've tried to put the line much above, but the script didn't recognized it. Maybe to early. Hope I success. In that case, I'll write a complete report and blog it, for future users. Salut. Sebas. 2007/2/2, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 06:29:22AM +0100, sebastian maemo wrote: When I bought N80 phone, I found a very useful and logic feature: when you install a new app, the application manager asks you whether you want it installed over your tiny phone memory, or over your large GB memory card. For don't-know-what-reason Nokia failed to make this feature available on his 770. They just let me create a 64M swap file that helps, but not that much. I would guess the reason is that it's not that simple to do this in a Linux system. I agree that it would be useful. So would a thousand other features. So here I am, trying to make things work. I've learned how to create partitions with sfdisk (not so friendly as fdisk), format them with mkfs.ext2 (that was easy), and mount and unmount them at startup and shutdown via init.d scripts (that was the worst one). And now that I've learned all that much, I created the wrong symlinks: I cp'ed /usr to the MMC, and then made the wrong link: ln -s /media/mmc2/usr /usr. Yes, now I know it should be the reverse way, but do not understand why. No, your command is correct. Other things might be wrong: - cp doesn't preserve file permissions, unless you ask for it explicitly. You may have ended up with all the programs in /usr/bin not executable - If you did not remove the /usr directory before creating the symlink, you've ended up with a symlink /usr/usr - /media/mmc2/usr This should not have prevented it from booting, though. - I do not know if /media/mmc2 is mounted early enough before the boot sequence needed to access files in /usr. Marius Gedminas -- Linux was made by foreign terrorists to take money from true US companies like Microsoft. -Some AOL'er. To this end we dedicate ourselves... -Don (From the sig of Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFw0HykVdEXeem148RAj7KAJ4ltfro5hUmIcXVyHRGOCemLFRSBgCfXaQG jWbk3RPJ2yQTieEaWS0onQo= =/hpd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Span filesystem across both SD cards?
2007/2/2, Zoran Kolic [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My device is just now reflashed. Cool! Have you started to breath again? Not exactly. I think I've broken my mmc with so much usb up and down :( It sometimes crashes. But then I format it again (the VFAT part) and it seems to work till crashes again. I've received very good help from Frantisek. And I think I'm going to get it. But I need another card in order to be sure about the results. I breath a little bit more again. This weekend I'll find out whether I can or cannot reboot the device from my mmc. Thank you very much to all of you. Salut. Sebas. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Span filesystem across both SD cards?
Hi, I've been playing around Fanoush's idea and MUST say it is a pretty cool solution. Things are improving a lot. Before giving definitive results I want to play with all weekend, but I can just say that performance speed has increased substantially. I would say that it's almost doubled (seriously). I'd suggest that the effect is similar to that one can experience when adding a lot of extra RAM to a Desktop PC (running Windows). The idea is basically to create first a dual boot system, then copy an image of the whole system to the memory card, and finally dual boot to the memory card or internal flash. It is supposed to preserve the internal flash system intact (as a backup), and usually boot from the mmc in order to have 1GB or more to install as many applications as you like. I've personally got 700MB of free memory space to install my favourites applications that are: ALL OF THEM!!. Principally I needed to install Octave that consumed a lot of space. My first conclusion of this solution is that: 1. It's easy to implement (when you know exactly what to do, of course; after all your help in this matter, I'll prepare a blog to explain it to the last detail, so that people don't need to browse multiple sites to find out) 2. ACCELERATION. It's incredible how clean and fast are my browser and other typically slow applications. I don't want to look naive in this question. But it might be interesting to do a test of speed before and after. I'm not in the mood to do it, because I just don't want to pass the whole process again. 3. Free memory. Now I can install as many applications I like. Before this solution, I typically had to uninstall the less used apps in order to install new or more necessary apps. I needed octave for my job, and that limited me a lot. I think that good and clear advice on this subject is COMPULSORY for Sputnik users. I think that (almost) all of them are interested in gaining more memory space for installation, and improve the speed of their devices. And this could be THE solution. I'll write again in three days or so to give a definite opinion. Salut. Sebas. Thanks again to all of you, and specially to Frantisek. 2007/2/2, Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Matan Ziv-Av wrote: insmod unionfs.ko mount -t unionfs -o dirs=/media/mmc1/usr=rw:/usr=ro unionfs /usr to startup scripts (early enough) before anything opens a file for writing under /usr. See here: http://www.linux-live.org/unionfs/ Would unionfs allow a single file to span two directories/partitions? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Span filesystem across both SD cards?
Please Jon, expand it a bit, por favor. I've just bricked my device and reflahed it again trying to symlink anyway I need. Maybe it's not a question for developers-list, but Nokia didn't thought that 128M wouldn't suffice me enough to install all apps I'd like for my device. When I bought N80 phone, I found a very useful and logic feature: when you install a new app, the application manager asks you whether you want it installed over your tiny phone memory, or over your large GB memory card. For don't-know-what-reason Nokia failed to make this feature available on his 770. They just let me create a 64M swap file that helps, but not that much. So here I am, trying to make things work. I've learned how to create partitions with sfdisk (not so friendly as fdisk), format them with mkfs.ext2 (that was easy), and mount and unmount them at startup and shutdown via init.d scripts (that was the worst one). And now that I've learned all that much, I created the wrong symlinks: I cp'ed /usr to the MMC, and then made the wrong link: ln -s /media/mmc2/usr /usr. Yes, now I know it should be the reverse way, but do not understand why. My device is just now reflashed. Before reflashing it again and again, could somebody tell me what should I do right now, before installing any apps, what to do to be able to install them on the MMC instead of on the 770's internal memory. Does anybody know what I'm talking about? Am I the first guy who dares such a naive question? Don't you get pretty soon the no-more-free-memory advertisement after installing octave and abiword? Wouldn't you like to install anything you like and more? Why should it be so difficult? Salut. Sebas. 2007/2/2, Jon Smirl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you don't have to have files that are larger than a single volume, you can just use a symlink to logically merge them any way you want. -- Jon Smirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Create an ext2 partition from inside the tablet 770
Hi Zoran, maybe this thread will interest you. I've been able to create two partitions in my RSMMC (one vfat and another ext2) all from inside the tablet 770. No needed PC. I've used sfdisk to create the partitions. It's very easy. Then I've formatted them with mkfs.vfat and mkfs.ext2. Look at this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4441 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
