Re: [maemo-developers] Alternative platforms ?

2005-11-08 Thread Glen Gray

Thanks for the response Tommi,

On 8 Nov 2005, at 16:23, Tommi Komulainen wrote:
The Nokia 770 was the first (and only) device to use the maemo  
platform
and some corners were cut in the process, and things like fixed  
display
size and resolution were assumed. But limiting ourselves to only a  
very
specific hardware configuration would be a pretty stupid thing to  
do in

the longer term, so we are interested in making the platform more
flexible.

Understandable and often unavoidable at the begininng. I took 10 mins  
to get started installing it this evening before I'd to run for the  
bus. But from what I can make out, I can't see why we could have  
"profiles" for different hardware setups. Kind of what you have with  
using Xephyr on x86 host. I guess I'll found out the problems when I  
try and move from an x86 hosted setup to an x86 target.



You're the more lucky ones. With larger display there are only minor
cosmetic issues that really need fixing (like the status bar width and
TN height) - the rest should stretch pretty much naturally.  
Changing the
font size might bring up more problems about hardcoded assumptions  
about

line heights in pixels.

Yeah, GTK is good for that. I guess dealing with assumptions about  
screen size as you mentioned would be a potential issue. As I said  
above, my main area of non-understanding would be in how to get the  
maemo environment running natively on the hardware. I guess  
everything is setup to target the Nokia 770.


Once I get the Xephyr setup running (was almost there before I had to  
leave today) I'll have a play with the screen sizes and see how it  
works. Will be an interesting experiment.

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Re: [maemo-developers] Alternative platforms ?

2005-11-08 Thread Tommi Komulainen
On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 19:59 +, ext Glen Gray wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> 
> The maemo project looks really interesting. Currently it seems  
> entirely focused on the Nokia 770 platform and I'm wondering if  
> that's a valid impression ?

The Nokia 770 was the first (and only) device to use the maemo platform
and some corners were cut in the process, and things like fixed display
size and resolution were assumed. But limiting ourselves to only a very
specific hardware configuration would be a pretty stupid thing to do in
the longer term, so we are interested in making the platform more
flexible.

One of the things we're planning is to check just how far can we push
the screen size before things stop scaling nicely and start breaking.
That would give us a good idea what can be done currently and where the
problems lay. If there's interest in participating in the effort we
could try coordinating it more openly.


> For example, I currently work on a kind of non portable internet  
> table. It's meant to be stationary (beside a bed or on an desk). It's  
> essentially a custom form factor epia m1 that's mounted in a  
> special case behind a 15" 1024x768 screen. We use a base system of  
> Fedora Core 2 and have our own software stack running a top of those  
> binaries. There's no physical keyboard, just a touch screen and  
> currently HTML driven UI.

You're the more lucky ones. With larger display there are only minor
cosmetic issues that really need fixing (like the status bar width and
TN height) - the rest should stretch pretty much naturally. Changing the
font size might bring up more problems about hardcoded assumptions about
line heights in pixels.

OTOH running maemo on a smaller screen.. :-]

Basically you can easily get a feeling how things would work if you just
run Xephyr with the desired resolution. (We've also had some fun playing
with Xrandr.)


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[maemo-developers] Alternative platforms ?

2005-11-07 Thread Glen Gray

Hey Guys,

The maemo project looks really interesting. Currently it seems  
entirely focused on the Nokia 770 platform and I'm wondering if  
that's a valid impression ?


I know a stated goal is to make it a platform of choice for internet  
tablets (or it least I thought I read that somewhere) so I was  
wondering if there's any moves on supporting generic profiles to make  
it easy to support alternative hardware.


For example, I currently work on a kind of non portable internet  
table. It's meant to be stationary (beside a bed or on an desk). It's  
essentially a custom form factor epia m1 that's mounted in a  
special case behind a 15" 1024x768 screen. We use a base system of  
Fedora Core 2 and have our own software stack running a top of those  
binaries. There's no physical keyboard, just a touch screen and  
currently HTML driven UI.


I was thinking of doing a skunk works project to get maemo up and  
running on it and thought I'd check first to see if I was wasting my  
time.


Thanks in advance for any feedback.
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Glen Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Digital Depot, Thomas Street
Senior Software EngineerDublin 8, Ireland
Lincor Solutions Ltd.  Ph: +353 (0) 1 4893682


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