Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
2006/8/30, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, But you do have! Just click the LXR link on the left of the tutorial page. The Hildon framework sources are publicly available (and have been for a long time). Unfortunately when people say sources for 770 they do tend to mean IT200x (the product) too and not only Maemo (the platform). Yes, but the section that had been quoted, was titled: Main differences between Gnome and Hildon application framework IMHO one would need to be pretty blind not see that the title was: Hildon application framework instead of: ALL the software on an Open Source based Commercial product with proprietary components :-) While your good faith in humanity is refreshing and an admirable additude ;), I'm afraid that people really ARE that blind when they have certain expectations already. The expectations were/are generated by the news all over internet, and community blog aggregation sites are not the smallest medium of generating expectations. For example, LinuxWorld review starts with: What's particularly compelling about the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet is that it's not only the first to be billed as an Internet Tablet, but also its software is built entirely from open source components. so it's only natural to be fooled. I don't mean to blame anyone for misinforming, not at all, but the only spot where this misconception and generalisation possibly could have been prevented was in the initial introductions. And knowing how accurate the media can be in its articles regardless of the facts given to them, it's not realistic to believe it would have helped that much :/ (I still think the LXR link should be renamed Platform source-code or something like that.) Yeah, if you are not already familiar with the system it could say XYZ instead and not make a difference... -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
On tis, 2006-08-29 at 12:52 -0300, ext Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: I wish the Notes instead of Maemopad. My english is so bad? Sorry. May be in portuguese: Eu quero o código fonte do Notes, o Maemopad não me interessa... E eu quero que você também explique o motivo de gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor(mybuffer, \u00E3, -1); não funcionar para Unicode. Não afronte minha inteligência, você não tem nada a ganhar com isso... Could *PLEASE* stop cross-posting between maemo-users and maemo-devel? If you intend to continue flaming, please keep the flames on one list. Regards: David -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
Hi, On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/free/source/m/maemopad/ You can always use apt-get source command. I am sure that five minutes of hack and I would achieve my goals... Good luck. -- Eduardo de Barros Lima INdT - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:05:41AM -0300, Eduardo de Barros Lima wrote: On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/free/source/m/maemopad/ You can always use apt-get source command. MaemoPad and Notes are two different applications. Marius Gedminas -- Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
Marius Gedminas wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:05:41AM -0300, Eduardo de Barros Lima wrote: On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/free/source/m/maemopad/ You can always use apt-get source command. MaemoPad and Notes are two different applications. Marius Gedminas ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Ola, As I see it the problem is this: On http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html#differences we have: There are plenty of other small differences, *some* of which are explained in this tutorial. (my emphasis). Now the only way to change that *some* into an *all* is to give us (the community) either easy access to the source code (best) or access to the person/s who wrote these differences so we can find out how they affect the code we write and then we can document it ourselves. Maybe a start to resolving this question would be if Nokia employed a few people to monitor this list waiting for issues like bluetooth, multimedia framework etc to crop up and then making it their mission to get an answer/reply to the community as soon as possible. The worst thing is some question falling into a black hole as this pisses intelligent people (like OSS hackers) off if they do not have a way to answer it for themselves. HTH -- -- Ian Lawrence Centre for Bioinformatics INSTITUTO NACIONAL DE PESQUISAS DA AMAZÔNIA – INPA RUA ANDRÉ ARAÚJO N º .2936 – BAIRRO DO ALEIXO MANAUS-AMAZONAS-BRAZIL PPBio – Research Program in Biodiversity http://ppbio.inpa.gov.br | Please do not send me documents in a closed | format.(*.doc,*.xls,*.ppt) | Use the open alternatives. (*.pdf,*.html,*.txt) http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html The state can't give you free speech, and the state can't take it away. You're born with it, like your eyes, like your ears. Freedom is something you assume, then you wait for someone to try to take it away. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
I wish the Notes instead of Maemopad. My english is so bad? Sorry. May be in portuguese: Eu quero o código fonte do Notes, o Maemopad não me interessa... E eu quero que você também explique o motivo de gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor(mybuffer, \u00E3, -1); não funcionar para Unicode. Não afronte minha inteligência, você não tem nada a ganhar com isso... -Original Message- From: Eduardo de Barros Lima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: terça-feira, 29 de agosto de 2006 10:06 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop Hi, On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/free/source/m/maemopad/ You can always use apt-get source command. I am sure that five minutes of hack and I would achieve my goals... Good luck. -- Eduardo de Barros Lima INdT - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
2006/8/29, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, There are plenty of other small differences, *some* of which are explained in this tutorial. (my emphasis). Now the only way to change that *some* into an *all* is to give us (the community) either easy access to the source code (best) But you do have! Just click the LXR link on the left of the tutorial page. The Hildon framework sources are publicly available (and have been for a long time). Unfortunately when people say sources for 770 they do tend to mean IT200x (the product) too and not only Maemo (the platform). I think there was not enough separation made between the two (not that the difference would be that obvious though) in the initial launch, which lead to different expectations than what came to reality. This coupled to the fact that the original release for the sources was sluggish made for disappointments in the open source community that, quite frankly, isn't that sensitive to the issues that the so-called corporate people have. So while the initial marriage of open source and corporate[1] wasn't too smooth all around, to my eye it is definitely developing in the right direction and has come a long way from where it began. Having met some of the nice people doing this work and thinking on how to improve it (hi tigert :) I'm sure it will get better all the time. Now, it would be crucial to get some community work integrated to the product too so that people will see how their input is valuable and welcome. One way of doing this would be to organise a hackfest during which there would be some features developed and bugs fixed by the community with the support of Maemo-staff. I'm not sure how well patches from the maemo.org bugzilla have been received, I remember hearing of maybe one patch that has been applied (but there must be others, right?). Getting the component maintainers to hang out in IRC reviewing community patches as a dedicated effort would definitely help on bridging the gap between the two worlds in my opinion. Who knows if such a thing would make the maemo developers receive not only complaints but fixes too ;) [1] I'm only using this word as I'm not sure what would be a better one. commercial is not what I mean here, but rather the goals and work flow differences. -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
Hi, On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:41:51 -0500, David D. Hagood wrote: Integration of the Festival Text to speech engine as an optional component, with hooks into the RSS feed reader and mail client would be nice - that way you could download an RSS feed and have it read to you while you are doing something else. Hehehe, that's nice. Is there some kind of embedded festival package for the nokia 770 already? :) Integration of a calendaring app (e.g. GPE) with the evolution data server such that a common location for all calendaring data can be set up. ical, a remote mount point/rsync? *wonders* Sync of the internal Evolution data server with an external server, to allow syncing with Desktop Evolution. ical, a remote mount point/rsync? *wonders* [...] cheers, Danny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bah... My future features are more realistic: -source codes; -more reliable API docs; -more reliable SDK docs; Instead of complaining about everything and blaming everyone, you could use your time to do something more productive (e.g., googling). Have you discovered one of the following pages? http://maemo.org/community/getting-involved.html https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/ http://maemo.org/platform/docs/api-index.html http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them. Best Regards, -- Eduardo de Barros Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
Yes, I did, and none work for me... This list included. Funny, I learned a lot of GTK and it was surprisingly easy to develop on it, for Maemo even the most basic is a nightmare. Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein? I am sure that five minutes of hack and I would achieve my goals... And I am not blaming EVERYONE, only the people from Nokia, may be you, at Recife... And I blame as customer, because I bought and I paid, and this cash is supposed to pay wages for competent and skillful work, not for a crap where simple dead keys became a bad trip. And what's this? There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them. Are you kidding me? There's solid GTK docs, no doubt, but for Maemo? Even the samples are broken... Linux has thousands of apps, Maemos is around since when? Almost one year? And all we have is that pathetic list were the most useful are console based apps... It´s yours lot more? I never needed to get involved, linux docs is online, linux from scratch is available for everyone. Just read it, and read again, let´s open the damn header file if necessary... Because the sources are there as is... Alessandro Linux User since 1999 and unhappy nokia 770 owner since june/2006 -Original Message- From: Eduardo de Barros Lima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 18:56 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bah... My future features are more realistic: -source codes; -more reliable API docs; -more reliable SDK docs; Instead of complaining about everything and blaming everyone, you could use your time to do something more productive (e.g., googling). Have you discovered one of the following pages? http://maemo.org/community/getting-involved.html https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/ http://maemo.org/platform/docs/api-index.html http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them. Best Regards, -- Eduardo de Barros Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
Alessandro, I think got you already and I'll help (although you do not deserve this): I buy your device. How much do you want for it ? On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I did, and none work for me... This list included. Funny, I learned a lot of GTK and it was surprisingly easy to develop on it, for Maemo even the most basic is a nightmare. Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein? I am sure that five minutes of hack and I would achieve my goals... And I am not blaming EVERYONE, only the people from Nokia, may be you, at Recife... And I blame as customer, because I bought and I paid, and this cash is supposed to pay wages for competent and skillful work, not for a crap where simple dead keys became a bad trip. And what's this? There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them. Are you kidding me? There's solid GTK docs, no doubt, but for Maemo? Even the samples are broken... Linux has thousands of apps, Maemos is around since when? Almost one year? And all we have is that pathetic list were the most useful are console based apps... It´s yours lot more? I never needed to get involved, linux docs is online, linux from scratch is available for everyone. Just read it, and read again, let´s open the damn header file if necessary... Because the sources are there as is... Alessandro Linux User since 1999 and unhappy nokia 770 owner since june/2006 -Original Message- From: Eduardo de Barros Lima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 18:56 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bah... My future features are more realistic: -source codes; -more reliable API docs; -more reliable SDK docs; Instead of complaining about everything and blaming everyone, you could use your time to do something more productive (e.g., googling). Have you discovered one of the following pages? http://maemo.org/community/getting-involved.html https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/ http://maemo.org/platform/docs/api-index.html http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them. Best Regards, -- Eduardo de Barros Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- --Antonio Gomes ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
Hi, I think we are wasting our time trying to help someone who doesn't deserve this time. Let's go back to the work and make something more productive and redirect his comments to /dev/null. There are a lot of developers developing software for 770 today. I agree with the idea of open the OS2006 and the SDK development even more, but blaming the Nokia developer isn't the right way to do this. Alessandro, if you don't like your 770, why don't you sell it to another developer in Brazil? There are a lot of people interested in 770 here and Nokia does not sell this device here yet. Thanks, Osvaldo On 8/28/06, Eduardo de Barros Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bah... My future features are more realistic: -source codes; -more reliable API docs; -more reliable SDK docs; Instead of complaining about everything and blaming everyone, you could use your time to do something more productive (e.g., googling). Have you discovered one of the following pages? [cut-a-lot-of-useful-links-to-reliable-documentation] -- Osvaldo Santana Neto (aCiDBaSe) icq, url = (11287184, http://www.pythonbrasil.com.br;) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
Integration of the Festival Text to speech engine as an optional component, with hooks into the RSS feed reader and mail client would be nice - that way you could download an RSS feed and have it read to you while you are doing something else. Integration of a calendaring app (e.g. GPE) with the evolution data server such that a common location for all calendaring data can be set up. Sync of the internal Evolution data server with an external server, to allow syncing with Desktop Evolution. Support for multiple simultaneous USB device profiles at one time - in other words, allow the device to present multiple USB configurations: one as a USB storage device (as the device does now) one as a USB serial device (to allow for easier syncing with a desktop) one as a USB network device (to allow USB networking) one as a composite device providing all of the above profiles (on different USB endpoints, of course). NTP or SNTP sync of the clock. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (TaskNavigator, Home, Status bar)?
On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 17:15 -0400, Andrew Barr wrote: On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 15:57 -0500, Ted Gould wrote: - Bonjour. I've heard (but never tried) that if a bunch of Macs are sitting around, they can find each other and IM using Bonjour. The example relayed to me was at a conference the reporter wasn't close enough to the speaker to get a good picture. So, he got on IM and found someone closer to send him a picture. It would be very cool to do similar stuff, and connect to the same Macs, through the 770. I was going to try compiling avahi-daemon for this purpose--it makes addressing a device in an ad-hoc network with link-local addresses MUCH easier, among other things. The IM bits are supported by Gaim 2.0 beta releases. Very cool. Sounds exciting. I think Bonjour can have other interesting solutions built on top of it. If nothing else, finding Doom network games ;) - LEAP support. I'm not sure if Cisco allows anyone to know about LEAP, especially in an open platform. But, it'd be nice to be able to log on to Cisco wireless. This has been long supported by wpa_supplicant (no thanks to Cisco though). Unfortunately, the Nokia IAP software is closed-source and I don't know if it's related to wpa_supplicant at all. You might have some luck with wpa_supplicant but unless the proprietary WLAN driver supports the latest WE extensions or the prism54 wpa_supplicant driver you're likely out of luck. Okay, I'll look into it more. It wasn't listed on the options in the networking configuration dialog, and I didn't look further. --Ted signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
Hi, And lastly, the Task Navigator bar width should be configurable. There is no reason for its fattness as it is - it is just a waste of desktop realstate, IMHO. Actually, there is a reason -- so that you could hit the icons with your thumb. It would be difficult if the bar was slimmer, or the icons smaller. I think making Task Navigator thinner would also require new theme. Besides the TN graphics, the Desktop and titlebar gfx elements would seem to depend from the current size. The installed plugins also expect at least a certain width into which their icons fit. So, maybe the new feature would be to make TN width into themable property... Then somebody could make a thumbless theme. ;-) - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (TaskNavigator, Home, Status bar)?
Hello, Thanks for so far your replies, I have got a large number of feature proposals already. I am still accepting feature ideas to my roadmap, so please keep on posting them on the list. What would you wish from your dream-device in terms of UI framework (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar, Control panel)? Is there something you would like to have done better or something that you'd like to have to be done in a completely different way? Don't limit your imagination to how e.g. Task Navigator works now, but think how it would ideally work, without the limits? What would be ultra-cool there? Please think it also out of context of the current hardware, you can suggest also ideas that would be nice on the platform despite they aren't really realistic with the current 770 hardware. Any cool ideas are warmly welcome. Thanks! Best Wishes, Karoliina Salminen http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (TaskNavigator, Home, Status bar)?
On 8/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Thanks for so far your replies, I have got a large number of feature proposals already. I am still accepting feature ideas to my roadmap, so please keep on posting them on the list. What would you wish from your dream-device in terms of UI framework (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar, Control panel)? Is there something you would like to have done better or something that you'd like to have to be done in a completely different way? Don't limit your imagination to how e.g. Task Navigator works now, but think how it would ideally work, without the limits? What would be ultra-cool there? I think some kind of UI that acts like the mezzo interface with active corners http://www.symphonyos.com/download/ (debian package who dares porting it?) http://www.jdistro.com/mezzo/ (screen shots of the jdistro impl) Please think it also out of context of the current hardware, you can suggest also ideas that would be nice on the platform despite they aren't really realistic with the current 770 hardware. Any cool ideas are warmly welcome. svg/pdf based display rendering, animations, alpha transparency text input based on most common words, I have seen this about 10 years ago the letters flow from right to left and the most common words/letters appear in front of you, using the stylus it is still possible to move up or down to follow a different input path and if the words appears just as you liked you can move the stylus to the right to make the letter appear faster. I will try to find a demo online. greetings ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (TaskNavigator, Home, Status bar)?
2006/8/21, Kees Jongenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 8/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please think it also out of context of the current hardware, you can suggest also ideas that would be nice on the platform despite they aren't really realistic with the current 770 hardware. Any cool ideas are warmly welcome. svg/pdf based display rendering, animations, alpha transparency I guess they would also like to know where those should be applied ;) text input based on most common words, I have seen this about 10 years ago the letters flow from right to left and the most common words/letters appear in front of you, using the stylus it is still possible to move up or down to follow a different input path and if the words appears just as you liked you can move the stylus to the right to make the letter appear faster. I will try to find a demo online. Sounds exactly like dasher: http://www.maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalogWip#head-ff3915a32305bd527275defd8e2f618bc8e30bc7 -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (TaskNavigator, Home, Status bar)?
On 8/21/06, Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: text input based on most common words, I have seen this about 10 years ago the letters flow from right to left and the most common words/letters appear in front of you, using the stylus it is still possible to move up or down to follow a different input path and if the words appears just as you liked you can move the stylus to the right to make the letter appear faster. I will try to find a demo online. Sounds exactly like dasher: Yes ! that's it. thank you very much http://www.maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalogWip#head-ff3915a32305bd527275defd8e2f618bc8e30bc7 I also just tried the online demo http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/TryJavaDasherNow.html But In my memory it worked even better ! greetings ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (TaskNavigator, Home, Status bar)?
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please think it also out of context of the current hardware, you can suggest also ideas that would be nice on the platform despite they aren't really realistic with the current 770 hardware. Any cool ideas are warmly welcome. Well, if you're going to go that broad... I think there are a few 'little' things that could be put into the hardware to make it more interesting. (okay, as I kept typing this e-mail got to more than that...) - Light sensor. I really miss having the backlight controlled by the available light like on my Powerbook. - Accelerometer. I'm not sure exactly what this would be used for, but I think it has interesing applications. Perhaps use with GPS to over time get more exact coordinates? Maybe take gesture based browsing to the next level? - Recharge over USB. I realize this is more a Motorola Thing rather than a Nokia Thing. But, for those who travel, reducing the number of power supplies needed is a wonderful gift. - Full MMC slot. I don't know about the space, and I don't really want the device to be bigger, but MMC cards are much easier to find (have several at home already) - Better handwriting recognition. It's usable, but could be much better. It would also be really cool if it was open source. - Voice support. Things like read my IMs or speak a webpage would be nice while doing other things. I'm not aware of any device that has this well integrated and that 'just works.' But, people have talked about it for years and years, I still want it. - Xara. The Xara folks have a really, really, fast renderer without using hardware support. I think it would be really cool to have a version of Xara that would work on the 770. I think they're a company that is trying to figure out where to go with the MS graphics announcement. I don't think they'd port it to the 770 without encouragement from Nokia. I do think it would be a very nice tool on the 770 though. - Bonjour. I've heard (but never tried) that if a bunch of Macs are sitting around, they can find each other and IM using Bonjour. The example relayed to me was at a conference the reporter wasn't close enough to the speaker to get a good picture. So, he got on IM and found someone closer to send him a picture. It would be very cool to do similar stuff, and connect to the same Macs, through the 770. - LEAP support. I'm not sure if Cisco allows anyone to know about LEAP, especially in an open platform. But, it'd be nice to be able to log on to Cisco wireless. Okay, I think that's all on my somewhat reasonable list. If you guys figure out how to fit in peace in the middle east too I think you'll have everything covered ;) --Ted ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (TaskNavigator, Home, Status bar)?
On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 15:57 -0500, Ted Gould wrote: - Bonjour. I've heard (but never tried) that if a bunch of Macs are sitting around, they can find each other and IM using Bonjour. The example relayed to me was at a conference the reporter wasn't close enough to the speaker to get a good picture. So, he got on IM and found someone closer to send him a picture. It would be very cool to do similar stuff, and connect to the same Macs, through the 770. I was going to try compiling avahi-daemon for this purpose--it makes addressing a device in an ad-hoc network with link-local addresses MUCH easier, among other things. The IM bits are supported by Gaim 2.0 beta releases. - LEAP support. I'm not sure if Cisco allows anyone to know about LEAP, especially in an open platform. But, it'd be nice to be able to log on to Cisco wireless. This has been long supported by wpa_supplicant (no thanks to Cisco though). Unfortunately, the Nokia IAP software is closed-source and I don't know if it's related to wpa_supplicant at all. You might have some luck with wpa_supplicant but unless the proprietary WLAN driver supports the latest WE extensions or the prism54 wpa_supplicant driver you're likely out of luck. -- Andrew Barr | http://www.oakcourt.dyndns.org/~andrew/ All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual (1925) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
On 8/18/06, Karoliina Salminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I am now collecting some ideas for future development of the UI framework. If you have any features that you'd like to see in the future in the components mentioned on the topic (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar), please send your feature requests/ideas to me: karoliina.t.salminen at nokia.com or reply them on this list for further discussion. So now is your chance to affect to which direction you'd like us to develop the desktop UI framework. Also if you have any ideas for plug-in APIs, bindings etc. anything you'd wish to see there in the future, please let me know. The sooner the better, so if you have something in your mind now, please let me know now (meaning Today if possible). No matter if you are developer or end user or both, I am waiting for your ideas and comments with a great interest - What do you want?. Thanks in advance! Hi , The maemo platform being based on GNU/Linux I think there are enough applications available for the device(vnc, ssh , music player, games much much more). And I also think there are enough hackers around to port applications and use the n770 for different purposes. What's really new (to me) is the small device and the way you must interact with the device (stylus etc). I would say that the UI should try to support the existing GNU applications by making it easy write wrappers for them. The requirement that really come to my mind is that the UI must be scriptable so that GUI people can create wrappers around programs without needing to know the whole cross-compile/debian thing. And if I find a broken gui program I can launch vi and fix it. just javascript or beter ruby:) gui programming. The UI should also try to mimic things linux users are used to do on the command line. starting and stopping a program with perhaps some arguments should be really fun and easy , perhaps dragging an icon to the right side of an home applet to start for example , and dragging it back to stop it. The power also comes from the Lookfeel and scriptable applets can really make a difference because more (less geeky) people can join the effort and have fun. Perhaps all that is needed is an ajax/dhtml component a small webserver and an installation method :). And it that's to much work perhaps java bindings might not be such a bad idea so at least people don't have to cross-compile/package /me after many many hour of learing all that nice stuff. It takes so much time that I really don't have time to do the fun part anymore ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
Hello everybody, I am now collecting some ideas for future development of the UI framework. If you have any features that you'd like to see in the future in the components mentioned on the topic (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar), please send your feature requests/ideas to me: karoliina.t.salminen at nokia.com or reply them on this list for further discussion. So now is your chance to affect to which direction you'd like us to develop the desktop UI framework. Also if you have any ideas for plug-in APIs, bindings etc. anything you'd wish to see there in the future, please let me know. The sooner the better, so if you have something in your mind now, please let me know now (meaning Today if possible). No matter if you are developer or end user or both, I am waiting for your ideas and comments with a great interest - What do you want?. Thanks in advance! Best Wishes, Karoliina Salminen -- http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog _karoliina.t.salminen at nokia.com_ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
On Fri, August 18, 2006 10:39, Karoliina Salminen wrote: Hello everybody, I am now collecting some ideas for future development of the UI framework. If you have any features that you'd like to see in the future in the components mentioned on the topic (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar), please send your feature requests/ideas to me: karoliina.t.salminen at nokia.com or reply them on this list for further discussion. So now is your chance to affect to which direction you'd like us to develop the desktop UI framework. Also if you have any ideas for plug-in APIs, bindings etc. anything you'd wish to see there in the future, please let me know. The sooner the better, so if you have something in your mind now, please let me know now (meaning Today if possible). No matter if you are developer or end user or both, I am waiting for your ideas and comments with a great interest - What do you want?. Thanks in advance! -The ability to have more than 5 icons in the statusbar or the ability to collapse them? (not sure how that would work out) -The ability to make the left bar with icons smaller in a theme? (not sure if you can anything about this) -battery icon feedback. Like '95% left' ;) Keep up the good work! - Niels ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
Hello Karoliina, I would also like the icons in statusbar not to be hardcoded and limited in number. Would be nice to have priorities and sort them and/or allow to rearange or hide them like the task navigator now allows with application menu (Task navigator applet in Control panel). If there are more status bar applets that available space I would sugest to have some light clickable arrows on left or right side and temporarily pop-up next icons down or to the left over window name. Or maybe scroll them in place? Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
2006/8/18, Alfonso F R [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[skipped] -Having the posibility to navigate the whole linux file system from the graphical file manager (maybe inactive by default and activable through an option within the control panel or something like that) Also with full gnome-vfs support, with the possibility to create persistent mountpoint for external sources (ftp://, sftp://, ...), maybe implemented as optional package installable via application manager. This feature is (except for the mountpoints part) already implemented in gpe-filemanager, but having it in the official filemanager would be nice. Luca Donaggio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
2006/8/18, Karoliina Salminen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello everybody, I am now collecting some ideas for future development of the UI framework. If you have any features that you'd like to see in the future in the components mentioned on the topic (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar), please send your feature requests/ideas to me: karoliina.t.salminen at nokia.com or reply them on this list for further discussion. So now is your chance to affect to which direction you'd like us to develop the desktop UI framework. What I would like is the filedialog keeping it's current directory, so not starting at scratch all the time within an application. That also includes the loading of the iconlist, which btw. is rather slow as well. The second issue is more a think-about thingy and that's the scrollbar. I think that scrollbars don't port so well for touch screens (and no mouse). Scroll keys would help but are often for other usages. I think the old X style MMB, that when cliched actually scrolled to that position, is already a big improvement. Maybe it's already configurable somewhere? A quick idea is eg. | a | b | c |d|e|XX|f|g| h | i | j | where XX is the scrollbutton, e and g the area when clicked a half page scroll, d and g a full page scroll, c and h two pages scroll, etc. and finally a and j are acting like MBB when clicked. Has to be recalculated on each position/viewport sizes changes. The above reminds me that dragging, like with the home applets, simply are unusable. Regards, Koos ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
Karoliina, I can think of a couple of badly missing features such as: An applet that would watch the resources availabitily and warn a user if launching yet another window or application would definitely cause a lockdown (followed by imminent reboot). I have seen enough reports from the end-users complaining that the system is not stable even with IT2006 update. The fact is that the most of them are not aware of the scarce OS resources they hold in their hands. A notification applet to make them aware would help thwart off future negative reviews and general confusion. Also, I would love to have a voice recorder developed by Nokia integrated for the next desktop update. It seems like the developers try and don't have enough information about gstreamer/DSP to come up with robust recorder. All hardware elements are there - I guess the general lack of knowledge about its internals and gstreamer framework in general have prevented from developing such an application so far. And lastly, the Task Navigator bar width should be configurable. There is no reason for its fattness as it is - it is just a waste of desktop realstate, IMHO. Also, perhaps a docking station developed by Nokia for future models might be a boon for the end-users. Thanks for all the tireless good work, responsiveness, and a chance for community to comment and participate in 770's evolvment process. -Vlad -- Original message -- From: Karoliina Salminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everybody, I am now collecting some ideas for future development of the UI framework. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
On 8/18/06, Karoliina Salminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I am now collecting some ideas for future development of the UI framework. If you have any features that you'd like to see in the future in the components mentioned on the topic (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar), please send your feature requests/ideas to me: karoliina.t.salminen at nokia.com or reply them on this list for further discussion. So now is your chance to affect to which direction you'd like us to develop the desktop UI framework. Also if you have any ideas for plug-in APIs, bindings etc. anything you'd wish to see there in the future, please let me know. The sooner the better, so if you have something in your mind now, please let me know now (meaning Today if possible). No matter if you are developer or end user or both, I am waiting for your ideas and comments with a great interest - What do you want?. Thanks in advance! A couple of things that I'd like to see are (possibly not entirely desktop): - Expansion of the contacts app to support phone numbers etc. for voip apps etc - Expanded power management. This is more kernel than actual UI but some of the things that I've seen around for projects like OLPC where if the sound driver isn't used for a couple of seconds its shut down etc. Things like the USB port, in the general scheme of things, aren't used very often so could (not sure if they are all ready) be shut down most of the time to save battery (saw a blog entry somewhere where someone played with the shutdown of usb when not in use and saved a couple of watts). - More details in the wireless device section. - Support for speex/ogg/vorbis/theora - Support for BT Headsets, better support for other BT things such as keyboards/gpses Peter ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
On Fri, 2006-08-18 at 18:09 +0100, ext Peter Robinson wrote: snip - Expanded power management. This is more kernel than actual UI but some of the things that I've seen around for projects like OLPC where if the sound driver isn't used for a couple of seconds its shut down etc. Things like the USB port, in the general scheme of things, aren't used very often so could (not sure if they are all ready) be shut down most of the time to save battery (saw a blog entry somewhere where someone played with the shutdown of usb when not in use and saved a couple of watts). Done already, check the power management and drivers code. Next? Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa (Nokia M - OSSO / Tampere) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
On Fri, 2006-08-18 at 20:15 +0300, Igor Stoppa wrote: Done already, check the power management and drivers code. Next? If anything, power management on the 770 is too aggressive. You'll know what I mean if you've ever tried to SSH into it over a WiFi link. So maybe more control over the various PM features would be nice. -- Andrew Barr | http://www.oakcourt.dyndns.org/~andrew/ All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual (1925) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
2006/8/18, Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2006-08-18 at 20:15 +0300, Igor Stoppa wrote: Done already, check the power management and drivers code. Next? If anything, power management on the 770 is too aggressive. You'll know what I mean if you've ever tried to SSH into it over a WiFi link. Strange, this seems to work for me just fine in v2006. The other day I noticed I was still logged in after weeks to the device. And also logging in has no noticeble delay compared with other sites on the net, only on local ethernet it goes faster. I use the dropbear pkg btw. Regards, Koos ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Karoliina Salminen wrote: I am now collecting some ideas for future development of the UI framework. I'm not sure if this is a framework thing, but in general, I'd like to see better offline support. I realize the goal is Internet tablet, but sometimes I like pulling the data, and reading it offline. Things like reading my e-mail on the bus or a plane. Also, syncing. I'd like to be able to sync my contacts with my phone, my desktop, etc. Also, as applications like Dates or GPE develop more, sync my todo list and date book also. I think that something like OpenSync could be part of the base platform -- especially from the perspective of running a background process to acknowledge requests from the external computer or phone. I'll also second the bluetooth headset -- and an integration of the keyboard GPS applet into the core. --Ted PS - Probably more a legal thing than a technical one, but it would be really cool if Nokia could work a deal with Google so that Maemo Mapper could offically use Google Maps data. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
