[maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 770 on the way

2006-12-15 Thread Clemens Eisserer

Hi again,


Have you tried disabling the Flash plugin (and restarting Browser)?

No, its not only flash related - although you're right flash seems to
make crashes more frequently. e.g. today I tried to access gamil twice
- soon after logging in opera crashed. I fired up minimo and
everything worked fine.


Some of the Flash content on the web is not really ... well ...

No thats not how the rules are. Bad content may not crash
applications, especially if you can't trust the guy how created the
content. If a flash file is broken it may not be loaded, not crash the
browser.

And all the other crashes that happen from time to time, imagine your
mobile would crash that often...

lg Clemens



- Eero

PS. It's enlightening to run top when browsing the net
with and without Flash enabled...
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[maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 770 on the way

2006-12-15 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi,

 Some of the Flash content on the web is not really ... well ...

 No thats not how the rules are. Bad content may not crash
 applications, especially if you can't trust the guy how created the
 content. If a flash file is broken it may not be loaded, not crash
 the browser.

What I meant is that some Flash content may happily (try to) consume
100MBs of RAM.  I guess Flash and Opera deal with running out of memory
OK, but Gtk (with which the application UIs are done with) most
definately does not.  For Gtk, the Glib allocations abort the process
if Glib allocation fails[1] (and even if Glib alloc functions would be
changed to return NULL when alloc fails instead of aborting, Gtk widgets
don't have additional code to handle this gracefully[2]).

[1] Mentioned e.g. in my ancient Gtk study:
http://www.movial.fi/client-data/file/movial_gtk1.pdf
[2] By e.g. showing only half of the UI?  :-)


- Eero
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