Re: [canola-devel] [GSoC 09] IM Client for Canola - report 1
Guys, thank you very much for your opinions. They will all be accounted for. We decided to use telepathy. Updates on project dev. can be seen in the wiki ( http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Projects/IM_Client_For_Canola). On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Thomas Clavier t...@tcweb.org wrote: Fred a écrit : Well I suppose telepathy does use libpurple ... I think you should use telepathy because it gives you more options ... Telepathy use libpurple only for protocols that are not handled by others libraries. For more information about that see http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Components -- Thomas Clavier http://www.tcweb.org Jabber/XMPP/MSN/Gtalk :t...@jabber.tcweb.org +33 (0)6 20 81 81 30 +33 (0)950 783 783 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Thiago 'bolaum' Borges Abdnur -- Trust no one... - Deep Throat (The X-Files) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [canola-devel] [GSoC 09] IM Client for Canola - report 1
Hi Thiago, I worked with a plugin for canola (https://garage.maemo.org/projects/bluehi) and I'm studying a about Telepathy. So I'm very interested in participating in the development of IM plugin for canola. How can I help you?? 2009/6/5 Thomas Clavier t...@tcweb.org Fred a écrit : Well I suppose telepathy does use libpurple ... I think you should use telepathy because it gives you more options ... Telepathy use libpurple only for protocols that are not handled by others libraries. For more information about that see http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Components -- Thomas Clavier http://www.tcweb.org Jabber/XMPP/MSN/Gtalk :t...@jabber.tcweb.org +33 (0)6 20 81 81 30 +33 (0)950 783 783 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- -- Antonio Ramos de Carvalho Júnior Estudante de Bacharel em Ciência da Computação - FUCAPI Mobile Development Center - INDT/FUCAPI Ninguém além de nós mesmos pode libertar as nossas mentes ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: IM Client for Canola - report 1
Nice job Thiago :) Feel free to ask me or Anderson Briglia whenever possible! As for the LD_PRELOAD bug, darkrain42 (libpurple developer) hacked a fix for this bug using the 'ld' python library (see http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/7872). The garage repository is already updated and now we don't need to alter that environment variable anymore ;) []s! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: IM Client for Canola - report 1
Hehehe actually, I'm bolaum! xD The guy telling the solution in #pidgin. darkrain42 just pasted the solution I found to close the ticket. Cheers On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Bruno Abinader bruno.abina...@openbossa.org wrote: Nice job Thiago :) Feel free to ask me or Anderson Briglia whenever possible! As for the LD_PRELOAD bug, darkrain42 (libpurple developer) hacked a fix for this bug using the 'ld' python library (see http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/7872). The garage repository is already updated and now we don't need to alter that environment variable anymore ;) []s! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Thiago 'bolaum' Borges Abdnur -- Trust no one... - Deep Throat (The X-Files) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [canola-devel] [GSoC 09] IM Client for Canola - report 1
Fred a écrit : Well I suppose telepathy does use libpurple ... I think you should use telepathy because it gives you more options ... Telepathy use libpurple only for protocols that are not handled by others libraries. For more information about that see http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Components -- Thomas Clavier http://www.tcweb.org Jabber/XMPP/MSN/Gtalk :t...@jabber.tcweb.org +33 (0)6 20 81 81 30 +33 (0)950 783 783 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [canola-devel] [GSoC 09] IM Client for Canola - report 1
Hello, On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Thiago Bolaum bol...@gmail.com wrote: Telepathy: . Built to be a generic communications framework using D-Bus. . Has Python bindings to facilitate the use of D-Bus, using conection managers. . Can be used with EFL D-Bus MainLoop (used inside Canola). . Has a connection manager called telepathy-haze that exposes libpurple's protocols to Telepathy framework. . A bit more burocratic access than python-purple, since it isn't a direct binding. . These connection managers (gabble (jabber), butterfly (MSN), haze (libpurple), salut (Bonjour)) seem pretty stable. python-purple: . Easy to use and less burocratic, since it is a direct binding (written in cython) to libpurple. . Already implements all basic signals, enough to develop the IM plugin, or at least a version with basic functionalities. . Active and accessible developers, to help improving the lib. . Needs testing and some bugs correction (I was able to fix an annoying one, concerning the necessity of LD_PRELOADing libpurple). . Using this would lead to a more stable and usable version of python-purple, but less time would be spent developing the plugin itself. As said before, I think that both could handle the job, having their own pros and cons. So we wanted some feedback from you guys, which do you think is better and why. After that, I'll talk to antognolli and we will have a final decision on which we'll work with. I'm not a expert in this area, but by your assumptions seems to me that telepathy offer a better future for your project, and also will allow you to extend and add more feature in the application. Probably python-purple will be easier to use, but the telepathy features should reward your effort. And also notice that telepathy is under active development and have a large community that will help you for sure. Thanks for listening and accept the community comments :). Best regards, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org -- Thiago 'bolaum' Borges Abdnur ___ Canola-devel mailing list canola-de...@garage.maemo.org https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/canola-devel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [canola-devel] [GSoC 09] IM Client for Canola - report 1
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Thiago Bolaum bol...@gmail.com wrote: python-purple: [...] . Needs testing and some bugs correction (I was able to fix an annoying one, concerning the necessity of LD_PRELOADing libpurple). I wonder how did you fix that? (just curious) Regards, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [GSoC 09] IM Client for Canola - report 1
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Thiago Bolaum bol...@gmail.com wrote: Telepathy: Barring extreme circumstances, always go with what's bundled on the platform. Especially with resource-limited mobile devices. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [canola-devel] [GSoC 09] IM Client for Canola - report 1
Valerio Valerio a écrit : I'm not a expert in this area, but by your assumptions seems to me that telepathy offer a better future for your project, and also will allow you to extend and add more feature in the application. Probably python-purple will be easier to use, but the telepathy features should reward your effort. And also notice that telepathy is under active development and have a large community that will help you for sure. +1 and on a device without many memory in my opinion, it's better to re-use library. -- Thomas Clavier http://www.tcweb.org Jabber/XMPP/MSN/Gtalk :t...@jabber.tcweb.org +33 (0)6 20 81 81 30 +33 (0)950 783 783 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [canola-devel] [GSoC 09] IM Client for Canola - report 1
Thomas Clavier a écrit : Valerio Valerio a écrit : I'm not a expert in this area, but by your assumptions seems to me that telepathy offer a better future for your project, and also will allow you to extend and add more feature in the application. Probably python-purple will be easier to use, but the telepathy features should reward your effort. And also notice that telepathy is under active development and have a large community that will help you for sure. +1 and on a device without many memory in my opinion, it's better to re-use library. Well I suppose telepathy does use libpurple ... I think you should use telepathy because it gives you more options ... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [canola-devel] [GSoC 09] IM Client for Canola - report 1
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Thiago Bolaum bol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all! This is the first report for my GSoC project. So I'll talk about the initial steps for it done last week. As told by my mentor, antognolli, some people at #maemo and #canola suggested the idea of using Telepathy instead of python-purple as the IM lib of the plugin, as it will be a standard for most Maemo's projects dealing with communication. We have decided to think about it. So my mission was understanding both libraries and trying to use them. Both have very comprehensive examples, that make use of almost everything needed in the plugin, such as connecting, sending and receiving messages. File transfer wasn't tested. I'll describe in more detail my conclusions on each of these libs: Telepathy: . Built to be a generic communications framework using D-Bus. . Has Python bindings to facilitate the use of D-Bus, using conection managers. . Can be used with EFL D-Bus MainLoop (used inside Canola). . Has a connection manager called telepathy-haze that exposes libpurple's protocols to Telepathy framework. . A bit more burocratic access than python-purple, since it isn't a direct binding. . These connection managers (gabble (jabber), butterfly (MSN), haze (libpurple), salut (Bonjour)) seem pretty stable. python-purple: . Easy to use and less burocratic, since it is a direct binding (written in cython) to libpurple. . Already implements all basic signals, enough to develop the IM plugin, or at least a version with basic functionalities. . Active and accessible developers, to help improving the lib. . Needs testing and some bugs correction (I was able to fix an annoying one, concerning the necessity of LD_PRELOADing libpurple). . Using this would lead to a more stable and usable version of python-purple, but less time would be spent developing the plugin itself. As said before, I think that both could handle the job, having their own pros and cons. So we wanted some feedback from you guys, which do you think is better and why. After that, I'll talk to antognolli and we will have a final decision on which we'll work with. Meanwhile, I intend to start working with the interface, in a top-down approach, so instead of drawing mockups, everyone would be able to interact with the plugin and suggest changes. That's all for now. Thank you and good work for everyone! Telepathy is much better in theory than practice, but given Nokia resources for a while now, it is becoming better and better. First versions of it on 770 were really unusable and Pidgin usage grown a lot. There is a huge problem with both libpurple and telepathy that is good support for most protocols. MSN sucks in both, amsn being the solution for that. This is mostly because IM networks are similar but not equal, and trying to fit all their specific bits into a single protocol is hard. However, it's unlikely that Canola will do more than basic message viewing and minimal input/send, so we can ignore such problems for now. But yes, let's believe it will be good enough and provide what we need, let's go Telepathy. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[GSoC 09] IM Client for Canola - report 1
Hi all! This is the first report for my GSoC project. So I'll talk about the initial steps for it done last week. As told by my mentor, antognolli, some people at #maemo and #canola suggested the idea of using Telepathy instead of python-purple as the IM lib of the plugin, as it will be a standard for most Maemo's projects dealing with communication. We have decided to think about it. So my mission was understanding both libraries and trying to use them. Both have very comprehensive examples, that make use of almost everything needed in the plugin, such as connecting, sending and receiving messages. File transfer wasn't tested. I'll describe in more detail my conclusions on each of these libs: Telepathy: . Built to be a generic communications framework using D-Bus. . Has Python bindings to facilitate the use of D-Bus, using conection managers. . Can be used with EFL D-Bus MainLoop (used inside Canola). . Has a connection manager called telepathy-haze that exposes libpurple's protocols to Telepathy framework. . A bit more burocratic access than python-purple, since it isn't a direct binding. . These connection managers (gabble (jabber), butterfly (MSN), haze (libpurple), salut (Bonjour)) seem pretty stable. python-purple: . Easy to use and less burocratic, since it is a direct binding (written in cython) to libpurple. . Already implements all basic signals, enough to develop the IM plugin, or at least a version with basic functionalities. . Active and accessible developers, to help improving the lib. . Needs testing and some bugs correction (I was able to fix an annoying one, concerning the necessity of LD_PRELOADing libpurple). . Using this would lead to a more stable and usable version of python-purple, but less time would be spent developing the plugin itself. As said before, I think that both could handle the job, having their own pros and cons. So we wanted some feedback from you guys, which do you think is better and why. After that, I'll talk to antognolli and we will have a final decision on which we'll work with. Meanwhile, I intend to start working with the interface, in a top-down approach, so instead of drawing mockups, everyone would be able to interact with the plugin and suggest changes. That's all for now. Thank you and good work for everyone! -- Thiago 'bolaum' Borges Abdnur ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
