Re: Discontinue distributing Maemo Bug Jars via email?
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Carsten Munk carsten.m...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pro emails, as it allows people to skim through both Maemo and MeeGo project activity. I've received sufficient pro email replies that I'll continue. A number of interesting ideas on combining or spacing out Bug Jar email messages have been raised, but for Maemo, I'm not going to rush into any of them. Why? Well, though Nokia has made no announcement regarding future SSUs for Maemo 5, since the release of PR1.3 items in bugs.maemo.org seem to have stopped receiving updates stating they've been fixed in one internal Fremantle build or another. That, plus the low activity in Official Platform and Official Applications, has led me to conclude that those two particular Bug Jars have run their course. I will be continuing the Maemo Official Platform and Maemo Official Applications Bug Jars only through the end of this month. There will be no Official Platform or Official Application reports in the new year. For the Maemo Bug Jars, that leaves just two: maemo.org Website and maemo.org Extras. The later is certainly active, and the former, though currently dozing, may show activity as services transition to greater community control. The topics of the two remaining reports are sufficiently different that I see drawbacks to combining their emailed versions. I'm open to being convinced otherwise though. -stephen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Discontinue distributing Maemo Bug Jars via email?
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:22, igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote: Shall I continue to send them via email or not? while i do not mind the mail, a wiki might be more effective, especially if the page is generated by a query to bugzilla They are already published online; what'd be the advantage of more wiki clutter? (Thinking about the problems with the QA reports) Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Discontinue distributing Maemo Bug Jars via email?
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:32, Carsten Munk carsten.m...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pro emails, as it allows people to skim through both Maemo and MeeGo project activity. Agreed - having push notifications is much more useful when one is travelling and time-strapped. I know I can skip an email, and deal with a subset, if I'm in a rush. Going to a pull system - whether going to a website or visiting a forum - is a *lot* harder because I either have to remember *or* deal with all the unread threads. Occasionally I wish they were all wrapped in one email, one for Maemo, one for MeeGo, but that's a luxury. Indeed, but that'd be a hard email to skim. Perhaps both problems (someone complaining, different bits of interest to different people) could be solved by creating, somewhere, a mailing list per topic: * meego-infrastructure-bug...@... * maemo-extras-bug...@... * ... * maemo-bug...@... * meego-bug...@... People could subscribe to the sections they want, or to the consolidated issue which concatenated them all together. Hope that helps, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Discontinue distributing Maemo Bug Jars via email?
hi, From: afl...@gmail.com [afl...@gmail.com] on behalf of ext Andrew Flegg [and...@bleb.org] Sent: 22 November 2010 10:14 what'd be the advantage of more wiki clutter? what i'm referring to is a page with embedded bugzilla query, so that whenever it is loaded it represnts the instantaneous state - maybe with a 10 minutes refresh cycle. something that can be bookmarked and used over and over ... cheers, igor ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Discontinue distributing Maemo Bug Jars via email?
Am Montag, den 22.11.2010, 08:27 + schrieb igor.sto...@nokia.com: From: afl...@gmail.com [afl...@gmail.com] what'd be the advantage of more wiki clutter? what i'm referring to is a page with embedded bugzilla query, so that whenever it is loaded it represnts the instantaneous state - maybe with a 10 minutes refresh cycle. Refering to bugs.maemo.org (not bugs.meego.com): I don't expect many changes in bugs.maemo.org anymore as things are moving to bugs.meego.com. If a refresh was really needed a one day refresh cycle would be more than enough for bugs.maemo.org. andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Discontinue distributing Maemo Bug Jars via email?
Hallo! During the MeeGo conference, I had one person request I stop sending out Bug Jars via email. Does anyone find receiving them via email useful? Shall I continue to send them via email or not? I do not have a problem with the emails, I would rather prefer to drop it from the planet, just because the device internal RSS feed reader is not helpful if I want to skip long text entries and I do read planet using this reader. Also generated content is not the typical blog content, thus posting it there might not where people expect it. -- Gruß... Tim ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Discontinue distributing Maemo Bug Jars via email?
Hi! 2010/11/22 Stephen Gadsby stephen.gad...@gmail.com: During the MeeGo conference, I had one person request I stop sending out Bug Jars via email. Does anyone find receiving them via email useful? Shall I continue to send them via email or not? I don't like the fact that bug jars are sent several at once, but I can just select all these mails and archive them at once - no big problem. Maybe you can merge them into one single mail per week? On the other hand, if people are really bugged about this, I can see two options: * Have a separate announcement type mailing list (where only you can post), i.e. maemo-bugjars / meego-bugjars * Have an RSS feed that is not aggregated by planets We should then make sure that these resources are prominently linked (e.g. from the Bugzilla start page, the QA wiki page, etc..). And another consideration: Create a Twitter/Identi.ca account (maemobugs/meegobugs?) and feed them with your RSS content using a service like Twitterfeed, so people can also follow it via microblogging clients. If you have more time, script it so that the Twitter account spits out one or two facts (a different one) every day (i.e. Feature request with most votes this week (+4): Portrait mode - http://bugs.maemo.org/1234;). This might make more people click on a single bug report and check it out / vote for it / comment on it than if you just link to the general bug jar page where people have to skim through the whole document to read something. HTH. Thomas ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Discontinue distributing Maemo Bug Jars via email?
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 08:19:39AM +, Andrew Flegg wrote: Agreed - having push notifications is much more useful +1 (and not only when one is travelling and time-strapped). Perhaps both problems (someone complaining, different bits of interest to different people) could be solved by creating, somewhere, a mailing list per topic: Alternatively, mailman topics could be used to filter out the bugjars for people who don't want to receive them. We'd need at least two, one for the bugjars and a dummy one so that people can subscribe to it and be able to flip the receive messages that do not match any topic filter option so they get the rest of the list traffic. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 08:27:12AM +, igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote: what i'm referring to is a page with embedded bugzilla query, so that whenever it is loaded it represnts the instantaneous state - maybe with a 10 minutes refresh cycle. That'd be very nice too :-) How expensive are the queries involved in the bugjar generation? L. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Discontinue distributing Maemo Bug Jars via email?
Hi, Thomas Perl wrote: I don't like the fact that bug jars are sent several at once, but I can just select all these mails and archive them at once - no big problem. Maybe you can merge them into one single mail per week? Interesting - indeed, getting them all at once is one of the things I don't like so much (as I said on the meego list, though, I definitely like getting an email). On the meego list, I suggested that sending one email with a link to the full online report and a one line summary of changes to the key figures for each of the bug jars might be good enough. What Thomas says here gives me another idea - one bug jar per day - Monday could be the dev bug jar, Tuesday community infrastructure, Wednesday documentation, etc. - no big mail dump, and different teams have a regular rendez vous every week. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Discontinue distributing Maemo Bug Jars via email?
hi, Shall I continue to send them via email or not? while i do not mind the mail, a wiki might be more effective, especially if the page is generated by a query to bugzilla cheers, igor ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Discontinue distributing Maemo Bug Jars via email?
I'm pro emails, as it allows people to skim through both Maemo and MeeGo project activity. Occasionally I wish they were all wrapped in one email, one for Maemo, one for MeeGo, but that's a luxury. BR Carsten Munk 2010/11/22 Stephen Gadsby stephen.gad...@gmail.com: During the MeeGo conference, I had one person request I stop sending out Bug Jars via email. Does anyone find receiving them via email useful? Shall I continue to send them via email or not? -stephen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
