Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9
Ola, . Maybe Flash has a use in interactive product demos before we have more capable W3C SVG Maybe this is a bit of a specialist field but there is also a need in GIS for some interactive 3D web applications (Katrina and the Asian Tsunami brought this home pretty hard). This is however a bit of a mine field at the moment regarding standards. There is X3D[1] from the Web3D Consortium, and the standards which build on it: GeoVRML[2] for specifying large, outdoor scenes, and H-Anim[3] for humanoid animation. X3D is the re-working of VRML in XML, and while VRML has a bad rep for being inconsistently implemented, it still presents one of the lower barriers to entry of the 3D standards. By using XML for 3D you also get access to the standard XML DOM for manipulations and animation (which can be good or bad, depending on your feelings about the DOM). More powerful scripting can be done with Python, which has python-visual (on Debian and derivatives) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:$apt-get install python-visual which is a 3D graphics module for Python. If you need to do 3D beyond what VPython provides, but you don't care about the XML aspect of SVG, there quite a number of tools for 3D which have Python bindings. The grand-daddy of them all is PyOpenGL[4], which gives you complete access to the native OpenGL API (an absolute beast, but it does the job). The PyOpenGL project also has a subproject, OpenGLContext[5], which is a learning environment for OpenGL, much more accessible than raw OpenGL (closer to VPython), and has a tool for importing VRML documents. Other 3D Libraries with Python bindings include VTK[6], CrystalSpace[7], Blender[8], and on the commercial front the Poser[9] character animation program (version 5) is scriptable with Python. There is also the H3D API, a GPL (open source) licensed software development platform for multi-sensory applications. H3D API uses X3D and OpenGL and is the only X3D engine which support Python scripting as far as I know. [10]. [1] Extensible 3D Graphics http://www.web3d.org/x3d.html [2] Geographical Data in VRML http://www.geovrml.org/ [3] Specification for a standard humanoid http://www.h-anim.org/Specifications/H-Anim1.1/ [4] The Python OpenGL Binding http://pyopengl.sourceforge.net/ [5] A Learning Environment for PyOpenGL and Python 2.2.x http://pyopengl.sourceforge.net/context/index.html [6] The Visualization Toolkit http://www.vtk.org/ [7] CrystalSpace game development kit http://crystal.sourceforge.net/drupal/ [8] Blender 3D http://www.blender3d.com/ [9] Poser 5 Character Animation Solution http://www.curiouslabs.com/ [10] http://www.h3d.org/ []'s -- Ian Lawrence http://ianlawrence.info Centre for Bioinformatics INSTITUTO NACIONAL DE PESQUISAS DA AMAZÔNIA-INPA RUA ANDRÉ ARAÚJO N º .2936 , BAIRRO DO ALEIXO MANAUS-AMAZONAS-BRAZIL Research Program in Biodiversity http://ppbio.inpa.gov.br PHONE: 055-92-3643-3358 CEP. 69011 -970 | Please do not send me documents in a closed | format.(*.doc,*.xls,*.ppt) | Use the open alternatives. (*.pdf,*.html,*.txt) http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html return [type for type in types if type not in types_to_exclude] If you can see the beauty, then Python got you ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9
Am Montag, 23. Oktober 2006 13:27 schrieb Daniel Stone: On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 02:22:32PM +0300, ext Eero Tamminen wrote: As announced on Adobe Flash release manager blog http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/ Flash 9 for Linux is here. You think that this can be used under Maemo? Before now Flash was a big pain and I had a lot of crash with older versions on Linux, but now I think that Adobe is seriously considering Linux as big OS player. Under Maemo I have a lot of browser crash that, may be erroneously, attribute to flash player, so using the new Flash player 9 may resolve those problems. What do you think? I think the main problem with Flash is that it just plain takes too much memory (you can follow Browser memory usage in top when going to a site with a lot of Flash), especially with content that Web designers nowadays put onto sites their Flash files. I doubt Flash 9 is going to solve this as according to its documentation its minimum requirements are: - Modern Processor (at least 800 MHz) - 512MB of RAM - Alsa Sound Architecture (OSS/ESD will not play audio; audio will silently fail.) - Graphics Memory (128MB) 770 has 64MB of RAM. And, as far as Flash is concerned, 0MB of video RAM. This is somewhat offtopic, but does somebody know what a good alternatives to Flash sites? Typically I assume that flash sites have small movies embedded and allow user interaction (?). I.e. if I blame the flash content of a side what do I tell them to use instead? Would the alternative designs be better suited for the 770? Many thanks, Rainer -- Rainer Dorsch Alzentalstr. 28 D-71083 Herrenberg 07032-919495 jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Fingerprint: 5966 C54C 2B3C 42CC 1F4F 8F59 E3A8 C538 7519 141E Full GPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9
Hi, As announced on Adobe Flash release manager blog http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/ Flash 9 for Linux is here. You think that this can be used under Maemo? Before now Flash was a big pain and I had a lot of crash with older versions on Linux, but now I think that Adobe is seriously considering Linux as big OS player. Under Maemo I have a lot of browser crash that, may be erroneously, attribute to flash player, so using the new Flash player 9 may resolve those problems. What do you think? I think the main problem with Flash is that it just plain takes too much memory (you can follow Browser memory usage in top when going to a site with a lot of Flash), especially with content that Web designers nowadays put onto sites their Flash files. I doubt Flash 9 is going to solve this as according to its documentation its minimum requirements are: - Modern Processor (at least 800 MHz) - 512MB of RAM - Alsa Sound Architecture (OSS/ESD will not play audio; audio will silently fail.) - Graphics Memory (128MB) 770 has 64MB of RAM. - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9
On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 02:22:32PM +0300, ext Eero Tamminen wrote: As announced on Adobe Flash release manager blog http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/ Flash 9 for Linux is here. You think that this can be used under Maemo? Before now Flash was a big pain and I had a lot of crash with older versions on Linux, but now I think that Adobe is seriously considering Linux as big OS player. Under Maemo I have a lot of browser crash that, may be erroneously, attribute to flash player, so using the new Flash player 9 may resolve those problems. What do you think? I think the main problem with Flash is that it just plain takes too much memory (you can follow Browser memory usage in top when going to a site with a lot of Flash), especially with content that Web designers nowadays put onto sites their Flash files. I doubt Flash 9 is going to solve this as according to its documentation its minimum requirements are: - Modern Processor (at least 800 MHz) - 512MB of RAM - Alsa Sound Architecture (OSS/ESD will not play audio; audio will silently fail.) - Graphics Memory (128MB) 770 has 64MB of RAM. And, as far as Flash is concerned, 0MB of video RAM. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9
Hmm, last time I checked swfdec didn't know anything about mouse keyboard input, but I'd love to be proved wrong. Also, the examples/shots on the page seem to show only cartoons/animations being played. Michael On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 10:48:19AM +0200, ext Rapha?l Jacquot wrote: Michael Kostrzewa (Nokia-M/Helsinki) wrote: Swfdec is just a decoder for certain kind of swf presentations. It'll not work for interactive flash stuff. MDK according to the current maintainer's blog, this is plain wrong http://advogato.org/person/company/diary.html ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9
On 10/19/06, Malix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As announced on Adobe Flash release manager blog http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/ Flash 9 for Linux is here. You think that this can be used under Maemo? This is great news, thanks! Maemo uses a non-x86 chip, though, so you'd have to wait for Adobe to port and release the update. In the past Macromedia would not do that (Flash for Linux is not even available for PPC) but since Nokia is a paying customer I'm sure it will appear - with the next major software update, perhaps?. -- Michel Salim http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~msalim http://the-dubois-papers.blogspot.com/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Malix schreef: As announced on Adobe Flash release manager blog http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/ Flash 9 for Linux is here. You think that this can be used under Maemo? Before now Flash was a big pain and I had a lot of crash with older versions on Linux, but now I think that Adobe is seriously considering Linux as big OS player. Under Maemo I have a lot of browser crash that, may be erroneously, attribute to flash player, so using the new Flash player 9 may resolve those problems. What do you think? Flash is evil -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFN8ouMkyGM64RGpERAgV1AKC5MEIE9kNagkLi0qmZ02QwmcNo6wCcCjXU cDm4ODFpAP8ytBZj39BsGq4= =kgOM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9
On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:55, Koen Kooi wrote: Flash is evil My thoughts exactly. Thank you! (Although GNU Gnash is certainly less evil and I await the day it is generally usable. A necessary evil, if you will.) -- Andrew Barr Now playing: Sting - Big Lie Small World ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9
On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 14:59 -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote: On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:55, Koen Kooi wrote: Flash is evil My thoughts exactly. Thank you! (Although GNU Gnash is certainly less evil and I await the day it is generally usable. A necessary evil, if you will.) swfdec might possible be a better match as it uses gstreamer etc. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9
On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 12:54 -0700, George Farris wrote: On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 14:59 -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote: On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:55, Koen Kooi wrote: Flash is evil My thoughts exactly. Thank you! (Although GNU Gnash is certainly less evil and I await the day it is generally usable. A necessary evil, if you will.) swfdec might possible be a better match as it uses gstreamer etc. Oh and there is a GNOME guy working on it from what I understand. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9
Swfdec is just a decoder for certain kind of swf presentations. It'll not work for interactive flash stuff. MDK On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 12:55:29PM -0700, ext George Farris wrote: On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 12:54 -0700, George Farris wrote: On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 14:59 -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote: On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:55, Koen Kooi wrote: Flash is evil My thoughts exactly. Thank you! (Although GNU Gnash is certainly less evil and I await the day it is generally usable. A necessary evil, if you will.) swfdec might possible be a better match as it uses gstreamer etc. Oh and there is a GNOME guy working on it from what I understand. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Flash player 9
2006/10/19, Michael Kostrzewa (Nokia-M/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Swfdec is just a decoder for certain kind of swf presentations. It'llnot work for interactive flash stuff.MDKOn Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 12:55:29PM -0700, ext George Farris wrote: On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 12:54 -0700, George Farris wrote: On Thu, 2006-19-10 at 14:59 -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote: On Thursday 19 October 2006 14:55, Koen Kooi wrote:Flash is evil My thoughts exactly. Thank you! (Although GNU Gnash is certainly less evil and I await the day it is generally usable. A necessary evil, if you will.) swfdec might possible be a better match as it uses gstreamer etc. The only alternative is Gnash, swfdec last development was 10 Jan 2006 when 0.3.6 was released.It seems that Gnash for Arm is ready did someone try this? Oh and there is a GNOME guy working on it from what I understand. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers___maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.orghttps://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
