Re: Reverting autobuilder to fremantle sdk maemo 5 update 1
On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 15:39 +, Graham Cobb wrote: > On Tuesday 19 January 2010 15:08:59 Kaj-Michael Lang wrote: > > And this breaks applications trying to use new packages, like > > sharing-dialog-dev > > Is this a new package in the latest SDK? Or a new version of an existing > package? AFAIK this is a new package, supplying the proper headers so the common sharing dialog system (or whatever it's called) can be used without any hacks. -- Kaj-Michael Lang ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Reverting autobuilder to fremantle sdk maemo 5 update 1
On 01/19/2010 04:15 PM, Jeff Moe wrote: Where are these discussions taking place? Here.[1] [1] http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-January/023781.html ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Reverting autobuilder to fremantle sdk maemo 5 update 1
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 12:29:31 Niels Breet wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 14:25 +0100, Niels Breet wrote: > >> To prevent issues with backwards compatibility for applications in > >> fremantle extras-devel, we're going to revert the autobuilder to the > >> previous sdk repository. > > > > And this breaks applications trying to use new packages, like > > sharing-dialog-dev > > > Yes it does. This has also negative sides, that is why doing things like > this is a hard decision. > > More applications are not using the new features than the other way around. > > Work and discussions are going on to have this sorted out for PR1.2. Where are these discussions taking place? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Reverting autobuilder to fremantle sdk maemo 5 update 1
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 16:02:47 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > Hack, hack, hack... Then someone will write app which will require libosso > from 51-1 and we will hack to make it possible for users with older > firmware to install it etc etc etc? > > So far Maemo apps often behave like not being tested (or had bugs at design > phase) - this will just add new ones. That is the reason Nokia insist on using integrated releases, and not allowing updates to the components shipped in the release. That is a great strategy for reliability, testability and supportability. It is just bad for user behaviour, flexibility and openness. There are no right answers. All such discussions (and there are variants of them in every software development/QA/management interaction I have ever participated in) involve dificult trade-offs. Once the decisions are made we then want to come up with the best experience for the users. I just felt that if the update introduced some additional capabilities, which would actually work on the base release, it would be possible for the community to build and support them for users who had not upgraded. If that is not feasible then so be it. Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Reverting autobuilder to fremantle sdk maemo 5 update 1
Dnia wtorek, 19 stycznia 2010 o 16:39:06 Graham Cobb napisał(a): > On Tuesday 19 January 2010 15:08:59 Kaj-Michael Lang wrote: > > And this breaks applications trying to use new packages, like > > sharing-dialog-dev > If it is a new package we could experiment with putting a version in > extras-devel (and extras-testing and, eventually, extras) -- I sugest > giving it a version nmber lower than the PR1.1 SDK version. Hack, hack, hack... Then someone will write app which will require libosso from 51-1 and we will hack to make it possible for users with older firmware to install it etc etc etc? So far Maemo apps often behave like not being tested (or had bugs at design phase) - this will just add new ones. And when firmware updates will get to extras* just to make some builds happy I will request Modest 3.1.18-0m5-hrw3 to be built and put in there too. Regards, -- JID: h...@jabber.org Website: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcinjuszkiewicz ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Reverting autobuilder to fremantle sdk maemo 5 update 1
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 15:08:59 Kaj-Michael Lang wrote: > And this breaks applications trying to use new packages, like > sharing-dialog-dev Is this a new package in the latest SDK? Or a new version of an existing package? If it is a new package we could experiment with putting a version in extras-devel (and extras-testing and, eventually, extras) -- I sugest giving it a version nmber lower than the PR1.1 SDK version. Before letting it ship in to extras, we would have to do testing to find out whether having the package installed from extras before doing the upgrade causes any problems for the upgrade. If it is a new version of an existing package, we need something like my multi-queue solution, if that is workable, or multiple repositories. Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Reverting autobuilder to fremantle sdk maemo 5 update 1
> On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 14:25 +0100, Niels Breet wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> To prevent issues with backwards compatibility for applications in >> fremantle extras-devel, we're going to revert the autobuilder to the >> previous sdk repository. > > And this breaks applications trying to use new packages, like > sharing-dialog-dev > Yes it does. This has also negative sides, that is why doing things like this is a hard decision. More applications are not using the new features than the other way around. Work and discussions are going on to have this sorted out for PR1.2. > -- > Kaj-Michael Lang > -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Reverting autobuilder to fremantle sdk maemo 5 update 1
On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 14:25 +0100, Niels Breet wrote: > Hi, > > To prevent issues with backwards compatibility for applications in > fremantle extras-devel, we're going to revert the autobuilder to the > previous sdk repository. And this breaks applications trying to use new packages, like sharing-dialog-dev -- Kaj-Michael Lang ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Reverting autobuilder to fremantle sdk maemo 5 update 1
Hi, To prevent issues with backwards compatibility for applications in fremantle extras-devel, we're going to revert the autobuilder to the previous sdk repository. This will give us some time to come up with a better solution for PR1.2 and will not create a lot of issues in the meanwhile. All applications which have been compiled against the new sdk will be recompiled. If you can't wait for this recompile, please submit a new version to the builder. -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
