Re: Standard widget spacing and padding?

2007-05-01 Thread Quim Gil
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 16:39 +0300, ext Murray Cumming wrote:
 Did you discover anything? Sorry to bug you, but I still feel sure
 that
 some document exists somewhere.

Let's move this to

Documenting widget spacing requirements
https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1280

Murray, please CC yourself there. Thanks.

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Re: Standard widget spacing and padding?

2007-04-23 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 15:16 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 18:38 +0300, Kuosmanen Tuomas (Nokia-M/Helsinki)
 wrote:
  On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 15:11 +0200, ext Murray Cumming wrote:
   On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 18:11 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
I can't find anything in the various Maemo documents about the standard
spacing that Maemo applications should have between and around widgets.
For instance, for the GNOME HIG, this is usually 6 pixels between
widgets and 12 pixels padding around the window:
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/design-window.html
  
This seems like something that should be in the Maemo porting guide 
http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_to_maemo_bora.html
as well as the UI specification:
http://www.maemo.org/community/hildon_ui.html
   
   Anyone? I'm sure that Nokia has some kind of standard somewhere for
   this.
  
  Heya! 
  
  The margin default padding is 6 pixels, and if a bigger padding is
  desired, either margin double (6x2 = 12px) or triple 
  (6x3 = 18px) is used. If a smaller margin is needed, margin half (3px)
  is there for you.
  
  So basically using 12px paddings between widgets should be a good
  starting point. Currently our theme adds this weird padding around the
  window anyway, so I think apps should not use much padding around
  themselves. I'll check this and the widget padding tomorrow when there
  are more people in the office in the morning, and will correct it if I
  am assuming wrong. 
 
 Thanks, but is there any official documentation for this, or is it just
 an informal standard?

Did you discover anything? Sorry to bug you, but I still feel sure that
some document exists somewhere.

  Btw, I'll be happy to assist with layout of your application if you want
  - poke me on irc (tigert on #maemo in freenode) or send email.

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Re: Standard widget spacing and padding?

2007-04-14 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 18:38 +0300, Kuosmanen Tuomas (Nokia-M/Helsinki)
wrote:
 On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 15:11 +0200, ext Murray Cumming wrote:
  On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 18:11 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
   I can't find anything in the various Maemo documents about the standard
   spacing that Maemo applications should have between and around widgets.
   For instance, for the GNOME HIG, this is usually 6 pixels between
   widgets and 12 pixels padding around the window:
   http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/design-window.html
 
   This seems like something that should be in the Maemo porting guide 
   http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_to_maemo_bora.html
   as well as the UI specification:
   http://www.maemo.org/community/hildon_ui.html
  
  Anyone? I'm sure that Nokia has some kind of standard somewhere for
  this.
 
 Heya! 
 
 The margin default padding is 6 pixels, and if a bigger padding is
 desired, either margin double (6x2 = 12px) or triple 
 (6x3 = 18px) is used. If a smaller margin is needed, margin half (3px)
 is there for you.
 
 So basically using 12px paddings between widgets should be a good
 starting point. Currently our theme adds this weird padding around the
 window anyway, so I think apps should not use much padding around
 themselves. I'll check this and the widget padding tomorrow when there
 are more people in the office in the morning, and will correct it if I
 am assuming wrong. 

Thanks, but is there any official documentation for this, or is it just
an informal standard?

 Btw, I'll be happy to assist with layout of your application if you want
 - poke me on irc (tigert on #maemo in freenode) or send email.

-- 
Murray Cumming
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www.murrayc.com
www.openismus.com

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RE: Standard widget spacing and padding?

2007-04-12 Thread Dirk-Jan.Binnema
Hi all, 

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Murray Cumming
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 16:12
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Subject: Re: Standard widget spacing and padding?

On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 18:11 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
 I can't find anything in the various Maemo documents about the 
 standard spacing that Maemo applications should have between 
and around widgets.
 For instance, for the GNOME HIG, this is usually 6 pixels between 
 widgets and 12 pixels padding around the window:
 http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/design-window.html
   
 This seems like something that should be in the Maemo porting guide 
 
http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_to_maemo_bora.
 html
 as well as the UI specification:
 http://www.maemo.org/community/hildon_ui.html

Anyone? I'm sure that Nokia has some kind of standard 
somewhere for this.

When asked, I got the following, which should be ok as a rule of thumb.

logical margins:
MARGIN_DEFAULT 6 px Typically between a text element and a graphic 
MARGIN_DOUBLE 12 px Typically between two text elements 
MARGIN_TRIPLE 18 px Typically between larger areas 
MARGIN_HALF3 px Used in special occasions with limited space
available

Best wishes,
Dirk.
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Re: Standard widget spacing and padding?

2007-04-11 Thread Kuosmanen Tuomas (Nokia-M/Helsinki)
On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 15:11 +0200, ext Murray Cumming wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 18:11 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
  I can't find anything in the various Maemo documents about the standard
  spacing that Maemo applications should have between and around widgets.
  For instance, for the GNOME HIG, this is usually 6 pixels between
  widgets and 12 pixels padding around the window:
  http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/design-window.html

  This seems like something that should be in the Maemo porting guide 
  http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_to_maemo_bora.html
  as well as the UI specification:
  http://www.maemo.org/community/hildon_ui.html
 
 Anyone? I'm sure that Nokia has some kind of standard somewhere for
 this.

Heya! 

The margin default padding is 6 pixels, and if a bigger padding is
desired, either margin double (6x2 = 12px) or triple 
(6x3 = 18px) is used. If a smaller margin is needed, margin half (3px)
is there for you.

So basically using 12px paddings between widgets should be a good
starting point. Currently our theme adds this weird padding around the
window anyway, so I think apps should not use much padding around
themselves. I'll check this and the widget padding tomorrow when there
are more people in the office in the morning, and will correct it if I
am assuming wrong. 

Btw, I'll be happy to assist with layout of your application if you want
- poke me on irc (tigert on #maemo in freenode) or send email.

//Tuomas

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Re: Standard widget spacing and padding?

2007-04-06 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 18:11 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
 I can't find anything in the various Maemo documents about the standard
 spacing that Maemo applications should have between and around widgets.
 For instance, for the GNOME HIG, this is usually 6 pixels between
 widgets and 12 pixels padding around the window:
 http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/design-window.html
   
 This seems like something that should be in the Maemo porting guide 
 http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_to_maemo_bora.html
 as well as the UI specification:
 http://www.maemo.org/community/hildon_ui.html

Anyone? I'm sure that Nokia has some kind of standard somewhere for
this.

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Standard widget spacing and padding?

2007-03-28 Thread Murray Cumming
I can't find anything in the various Maemo documents about the standard
spacing that Maemo applications should have between and around widgets.
For instance, for the GNOME HIG, this is usually 6 pixels between
widgets and 12 pixels padding around the window:
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/design-window.html
  
This seems like something that should be in the Maemo porting guide 
http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_to_maemo_bora.html
as well as the UI specification:
http://www.maemo.org/community/hildon_ui.html

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