Re: hildon-help in fremantle?

[Antonio Aloisio]

Hi,
A good and updated documentation about using Qt Assistant in  Qt application
is in the section "Using Qt Assistant remotely" at
http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/assistant-custom-help-viewer.html

Cheers,
Antonio

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:27 PM, daniel wilms  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> an additional comment regarding the help-system to avoid misunderstandings.
> As I said before there won't be any help-system in Fremantle. This means
> that any help, has to be implemented within the application itself.
>
> There are a lot of ways how to do that, and a really easy way would be to
> implement it based on html. The old help system was based on gtkhtml, which
> could be used here as well or opening simply a locally stored html page in
> the browser, even though the overhead in this case might be an issue.
>
> If you are developing in Qt it can be done quite easily by using the Qt
> Assistant [1]. It is definitely worth to have a look, as it provides an easy
> standard way for this purpose.
>
> My suggestion would be to realise the help based on html if it is needed in
> some application. In Qt applications a standardised help is available.
>
> [1] http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/assistant.html
>
> Cheers Daniel
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Re: hildon-help in fremantle?

[daniel wilms]

Hi,

an additional comment regarding the help-system to avoid misunderstandings. As 
I said before there won't be any help-system in Fremantle. This means that any 
help, has to be implemented within the application itself.

There are a lot of ways how to do that, and a really easy way would be to 
implement it based on html. The old help system was based on gtkhtml, which 
could be used here as well or opening simply a locally stored html page in the 
browser, even though the overhead in this case might be an issue.

If you are developing in Qt it can be done quite easily by using the Qt 
Assistant [1]. It is definitely worth to have a look, as it provides an easy 
standard way for this purpose.

My suggestion would be to realise the help based on html if it is needed in 
some application. In Qt applications a standardised help is available.

[1] http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/assistant.html

Cheers Daniel
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Re: hildon-help in fremantle?

[Joseph Charpak]

On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 18:31 +0200, Till Harbaum / Lists wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> may someone please explain to me how entirely removing any help system
> helps simplifying the device usage? 
> 
> The outcome of this is obvious: All applications (incl. my own) just won't 
> have 
> any help system on fremantle. Or do you really expect the develpers to write
> a custom help system for their apps? And where would be the advantage of
> this? We'd end up with a bunch of completely different help systems which 
> neither makes things simpler nor more usable. 
> 
> So is the fremantle way really to not have any built-in help system? What else
> do you propose? Some online help?
> 

I assumed he meant developers would code in help using the standard
gnome help system, which isn't available in Diablo and earlier versions
of Maemo. I never understood that decision anyway.

Joseph Charpak
jchar...@worldnet.att.net

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Re: hildon-help in fremantle?

[Till Harbaum / Lists]

Hi,

may someone please explain to me how entirely removing any help system
helps simplifying the device usage? 

The outcome of this is obvious: All applications (incl. my own) just won't have 
any help system on fremantle. Or do you really expect the develpers to write
a custom help system for their apps? And where would be the advantage of
this? We'd end up with a bunch of completely different help systems which 
neither makes things simpler nor more usable. 

So is the fremantle way really to not have any built-in help system? What else
do you propose? Some online help?

Till

Am Donnerstag 30 April 2009 schrieb daniel wilms:
> Hi,
> 
> there is no general help support anymore in Fremantle. The idea is to keep 
> the things as simple as possible within the UI of the applications. So there 
> is no standardised way for help options and it is up to every application, 
> which actually needs the help functionality, how to integrate it in the UI.
> 
> Daniel
>  
> > Hello,
> > 
> >   I have not played with new Maemo SDK yet. So I wonder what will be the
> > policy of help files
> >   for Fremantle applications? Is there any new standardized way to show
> > them? Is there any new
> >   way to make context-sensitive help etc.?
> >
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Re: hildon-help in fremantle?

[daniel wilms]

Hi,

there is no general help support anymore in Fremantle. The idea is to keep the 
things as simple as possible within the UI of the applications. So there is no 
standardised way for help options and it is up to every application, which 
actually needs the help functionality, how to integrate it in the UI.

Daniel
 
> Hello,
> 
>   I have not played with new Maemo SDK yet. So I wonder what will be the
> policy of help files
>   for Fremantle applications? Is there any new standardized way to show
> them? Is there any new
>   way to make context-sensitive help etc.?
>
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Re: hildon-help in fremantle?

[Andrew Sichevoi]

Hello,

  I have not played with new Maemo SDK yet. So I wonder what will be the
policy of help files
  for Fremantle applications? Is there any new standardized way to show
them? Is there any new
  way to make context-sensitive help etc.?

Thanks,

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:26 AM,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Help framework is now dropped in Fremantle.
> It is mentioned in the release notes:
> "The Help library is dropped. Diablo applications that use
> context-sensitive help and use the libhildonhelp library would need to
> remove the dependencies from their packages inorder to work in Fremantle."
>
> Regards,
> Soumya
>
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org
> >[mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext
> >Till Harbaum / Lists
> >Sent: 29 April, 2009 22:02
> >To: maemo-developers@maemo.org
> >Subject: hildon-help in fremantle?
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >seems there's no hildon-help framwork in fremantle anymore. I
> >didn't find this mentioned in the docs.
> >
> >Is there a new help framework?
> >
> >Till
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RE: hildon-help in fremantle?

[soumya.3.bijjal]

Hi,

Help framework is now dropped in Fremantle. 
It is mentioned in the release notes:
"The Help library is dropped. Diablo applications that use context-sensitive 
help and use the libhildonhelp library would need to remove the dependencies 
from their packages inorder to work in Fremantle."

Regards,
Soumya

 

>-Original Message-
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>[mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext 
>Till Harbaum / Lists
>Sent: 29 April, 2009 22:02
>To: maemo-developers@maemo.org
>Subject: hildon-help in fremantle?
>
>Hi,
>
>seems there's no hildon-help framwork in fremantle anymore. I 
>didn't find this mentioned in the docs.
>
>Is there a new help framework?
>
>Till
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hildon-help in fremantle?

[Till Harbaum / Lists]

Hi,

seems there's no hildon-help framwork in fremantle anymore. I didn't 
find this mentioned in the docs.

Is there a new help framework?

Till
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