Creation of a maemo leaflet
Dear maemo power users, We have some budget to print maemo leaflets primarily to be given in Nokia stands in mobile/multimedia related events (not necessarily open source). The idea is to have something self-explanatory the people in the stand can give away without having to provide much information themselves. Until now we had like business cards produced by the maemo team. We could reprint them or make some improvements internally, but when the request came I thought it could be an opportunity to open a project in garage.maemo.org and working something together, if there is an interest. I'm posting this proposal here in maemo-users since this mkight be an opportunity to get involved for those (like me) without remarkable programming skills. -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 and USB host mode
Please avoid crossposting between lists. > On 3/5/07, Michael Wiktowy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I didn't see USB host support on the roadmap so I don't hold out much > > hope for the fixing of what I would consider a major regression of the On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 16:26 -0500, ext Larry Battraw wrote: > A > roadmap/wishlist for changes to the platform is being created so this > would definitely be a candidate for the list. Just to clarify: http://test.maemo.org/community/roadmap.html is far from reflecting everything planned that could be public and also all the RFE well argumented in the maemo community. It would have taken additional weeks (months?) to release something like complete. Hitting the Wishlist is almost only a matter of writing down a sensible rationale. You can do it. In fact the community is the main source of input for the Wishlist. Items appearing in the Wishlist are challenged internally against our plans. Some wished features might be already in our plans and we will move them to Roadmap unless we have a good reason to keep it in Wishlist. Some wished features might get into our plans, or might be pushed to short term releases. Some wished features might be totally out of our current and mid-term plans, the idea is to identify them so the community knows that they can take the lead on those without risk of overlapping. I will put "USB host mode" in the Wishlist. I plan to update the roadmap page on Fridays (if we have stuff to update). -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WLAN Power Save Mode timeout
Riku Voipio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> This has been requested occasionally. It would help if you could come >> up with some kind of examples where this is needed. That they I could >> show that there's really a need for this. Technically there's no point >> of supporting 802.1x with WEP encryption, because TKIP is already >> widely supported. >> >> > EAP-TTLS with wep was the best *functioning* radius-authenticated > protocol supported by cisco access points (aironet 1100, 12xx). Yes > they supported TKIP and AES, but not very well *together* with EAP. Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that Cisco APs would not properly work with TKIP or AES. Cisco APs are of the best quality I have ever seen. And all the EAP tests in Wi-Fi certifications are run with either TKIP or AES (Wi-Fi Alliance calls it WPA-Enterprise, or something like that), so it's widely tested as well. > wpasupplicant already supports EAP-TTLS, how hard would it be for > a poweruser to use it instead of the current supplicant? Do you already know that N800 already supports EAP-TTLS, with TKIP or AES encryption? About using wpasupplicant. I think it shouldn't be too hard to use wpasupplicant on 770 or N800. The wireless extension interface to the WLAN driver isn't quite up-to-date, so you would have to do some tweaking there. And of course you would have to bypass all UI, icd and wlancond components. But it should be doable. -- Kalle Valo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: iGo Stowaway Sierra Bluetooth Keyboard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote on 3/6/2007 6:42 PM: > I've now narrowed my keyboard search down to two keyboards - the Nokia > Bluetooth keyboard which gets excellent reviews and the iGo Stowaway Sierra > Bluetooth Keyboard. The Sierra has a fifth row for numbers and looks to be > a good keyboard. I do not know anything about the Sierra, but if you use numbers often, you may want to think about that additional row. I really like the nokia, but sometimes wish I had that extra row. If you mostly just type e-mail and such, you ought to be fine. You will probably, like me, find yourself typing 'five' instead of 'Fn, 5, Fn'. K - -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF7iiPE+4TUALb7FERAuCUAKCVH0DaeAQld7ZyRpNsVhs/HrsC3ACghRGb 1fI/63atcI6t0YMIkFYdlhU= =fyD9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Bluetooth mouse.
I cannot speak for Bluetooth mice, but I tried a USB mouse via a powered hub on my N770 running the latest production OS2006. In fact, on the hub I had: A USB to PS/2 keyboard+mouse adapter, with both mouse and keyboard in place. A USB to RS-232 adapter with a GPS on it (through a serial monitor box with LEDs on the various data lines) A USB mouse (in addition to the PS/2 mouse) I had previously modified the /etc/init.d/x-server.sh file to tell the X server to look at /dev/input/mice Here were my results: Mouse: Not working. dmesg shows the mouse as detected, the mice show up in /sys/bus/usb/devices, but lsof shows that Xomap did NOT open the /dev/input/mice file. (checking the /proc//cmdline shows that the command line was indeed modified). cat'ing /dev/input/mice did not yield any data when the mouse was moved. Keyboard - worked. Having the Bluetooth keyboard plugin was helpful as it turned off the virtual keyboard when the external keyboard was activated. GPS: Didn't work. I was unable to get MaemoMapper to indicate GPS lock, after having set the GPS device to /dev/ttyUSB0. I had modified the permissions on the serial devices to be world readable. and I was able to verify that when Maemomapper opened the device RTS was asserted. I was able to verify that the GPS was sending data, but the data was not received by Maemomapper. cat'ing the serial device yielded no data. dmesg showed several input overrun messages from the serial device. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: iGo Stowaway Sierra Bluetooth Keyboard
I have the Stowaway Universal Bluetooth Keyboard. I use the generic profile without issue... Very compact - good feel and easy to use - even on my lap while on a train. It has some oddities with two different function keys to access numbers and characters, but that's only because it's compressed in size. On 3/6/07, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've now narrowed my keyboard search down to two keyboards - the Nokia Bluetooth keyboard which gets excellent reviews and the iGo Stowaway Sierra Bluetooth Keyboard. The Sierra has a fifth row for numbers and looks to be a good keyboard. I asked iGo (formerly Think Outside) if the keyboard supported the N800. The reply was that they don't make drivers for the N800 but that several customers have confirmed a successful connection using the built-in HID profile in the Bluetooth manager. So my questions to all users are: - Is anyone using the iGo Sierra Bluetooth keyboard? - How well does it function with the N800? - Do you like it and would you recommend it? Thanks for your help! Regards, Nick Shaw ___ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene m 917.560.3000 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gizmo - JonathanGreene blog - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 and USB host mode
I believe what you're looking for is here: http://test.maemo.org/community/roadmap.html There's a _huge_ list of wishes for improvements elsewhere, but the roadmap is closer to reality in terms of what might be implemented. I believe the plan is to flesh it out as far as who's running any particular project, whether they're Nokia or not, current status, etc. Searching the dev list for roadmap will get you the details. Larry On 3/6/07, Michael Wiktowy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/6/07, Larry Battraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There was never a removal of the functionality since this is a new > chipset and support for it was not available for it (AFAIK) in the > kernel until recently. I tried it out and it's pretty rough in (the > current kernel version) 2.6.18; it would crash very quickly after > booting up and I couldn't get it to actually do anything as far as > host-mode is concerned. So no conspiracy, just no working code :-) I > expect as support firms up we'll see it made available on the n800, > particularly if people are interested enough to help out. A > roadmap/wishlist for changes to the platform is being created so this > would definitely be a candidate for the list. That makes complete sense, thanks for the info. I did notice another related thread after I posted this giving me some hope. The absence of facts invites speculation. I wasn't speculating that there was a great Nokia conspiracy to deny us USB-hosting. I was speculating that one of the reasons could have been legitimate aversion to liability. One thing that should go on this wishlist is a link from every item to a separate page where there are reasons why a particular wishlist item isn't implemented yet and specific requests for community help. I think there is a lot of FOSS people not knowing what Nokia is already doing in-house and not knowing what to sink their teeth into that will end up being made redundant before they are done. A little note for each item saying something like "Nokia internal is not working on this currently" or " this work is being done upstream at this URL" or "this work is waiting on x project to get their act in gear and support function y". I saw this new roadmap at one point but lost the link to it (the old Maemo roadmap link is horribly outdated). Can someone point the way to me? /Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Bluetooth mouse.
On 3/5/07, Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Try -mouse ps2,/dev/input/mice. Of course, you still won't get a cursor. (OS2007 can find a mouse just fine, in theory, if you tell it to. OS2006 can't.) Cheers, Daniel Thanks for the tip. I've compiled xsetroot so I just use the cursor_name to set one. The options you've given don't seem to work so I guess there's more to it. I've verified /dev/input/mice is receiving mouse data. Larry ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
iGo Stowaway Sierra Bluetooth Keyboard
I've now narrowed my keyboard search down to two keyboards - the Nokia Bluetooth keyboard which gets excellent reviews and the iGo Stowaway Sierra Bluetooth Keyboard. The Sierra has a fifth row for numbers and looks to be a good keyboard. I asked iGo (formerly Think Outside) if the keyboard supported the N800. The reply was that they don't make drivers for the N800 but that several customers have confirmed a successful connection using the built-in HID profile in the Bluetooth manager. So my questions to all users are: - Is anyone using the iGo Sierra Bluetooth keyboard? - How well does it function with the N800? - Do you like it and would you recommend it? Thanks for your help! Regards, Nick Shaw ___ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 and USB host mode
On 3/6/07, Larry Battraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There was never a removal of the functionality since this is a new chipset and support for it was not available for it (AFAIK) in the kernel until recently. I tried it out and it's pretty rough in (the current kernel version) 2.6.18; it would crash very quickly after booting up and I couldn't get it to actually do anything as far as host-mode is concerned. So no conspiracy, just no working code :-) I expect as support firms up we'll see it made available on the n800, particularly if people are interested enough to help out. A roadmap/wishlist for changes to the platform is being created so this would definitely be a candidate for the list. That makes complete sense, thanks for the info. I did notice another related thread after I posted this giving me some hope. The absence of facts invites speculation. I wasn't speculating that there was a great Nokia conspiracy to deny us USB-hosting. I was speculating that one of the reasons could have been legitimate aversion to liability. One thing that should go on this wishlist is a link from every item to a separate page where there are reasons why a particular wishlist item isn't implemented yet and specific requests for community help. I think there is a lot of FOSS people not knowing what Nokia is already doing in-house and not knowing what to sink their teeth into that will end up being made redundant before they are done. A little note for each item saying something like "Nokia internal is not working on this currently" or " this work is being done upstream at this URL" or "this work is waiting on x project to get their act in gear and support function y". I saw this new roadmap at one point but lost the link to it (the old Maemo roadmap link is horribly outdated). Can someone point the way to me? /Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Bluetooth mouse.
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 02:11:33 +0200, Daniel Stone wrote: > Try -mouse ps2,/dev/input/mice. Of course, you still won't get a > cursor. > > (OS2007 can find a mouse just fine, in theory, if you tell it to. OS2006 > can't.) Would it be nice, an idea to add BT mouse support to OS2007 for future updates ? This can be just good enough functionality and cheap too for bed time browsing having N800 hung on a cradle. One other day I decided to "rm -rf /home/user" that exposed the mouse cursor on the screen. Kevin ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 and USB host mode
On 3/5/07, Michael Wiktowy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/5/07, Larry Battraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I understand > that better support may be forthcoming, but that would be part of a > new kernel or a back-port of the fixes. The Nokia folks seem to be strangely silent on the whole USB host thing. Maybe they are not wanting to implicate themselves in a power injection hack that could damage your tablet. That would explain why they took out the vital bits from the kernel. I didn't see USB host support on the roadmap so I don't hold out much hope for the fixing of what I would consider a major regression of the N800 functionality vs. the 770. Nokia has surprised us with bigger easter eggs though. I would appreciate some clarification from Nokia whether this functionality will return or if it was removed intentionally. /Mike There was never a removal of the functionality since this is a new chipset and support for it was not available for it (AFAIK) in the kernel until recently. I tried it out and it's pretty rough in (the current kernel version) 2.6.18; it would crash very quickly after booting up and I couldn't get it to actually do anything as far as host-mode is concerned. So no conspiracy, just no working code :-) I expect as support firms up we'll see it made available on the n800, particularly if people are interested enough to help out. A roadmap/wishlist for changes to the platform is being created so this would definitely be a candidate for the list. Larry ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
WLAN PSM and Strange disconnects from wifi
I have been experiencing disconnects from the local ISP's wireless network. I wrote asking for help last week, but didn't have enough information to really diagnose things. Yesterday, I got a packet trace from a laptop and looked at the syslogd output on the N800. No joy there. >From what I can tell, the N800 connects just fine, but then the ISP's router disconnects after a few seconds.. I have used both their captive-portal login (mikrotik) and have had them switch me to MAC address filtering, but there is no difference in the disconnect. They use Tropos routers. The have established a policy where they send broadcast ARP requests to see who is out there. Once someone is authenticated either by MAC address or through the portal, they send unicast APR messages as a keepalive. If you miss a small number of these, then you are considered "offline". The packet trace shows responses to unicast ARP from the N800, so that is not the problem. I see several of them. Also, if I keep other kinds of traffic going to and from the device, like making many http requests or running internet radio, then it stays up. If I don't do that, and instead just do an rss feed update or read one web page for too long, I am disconnected. This is NOT an issue with my debian-based laptop, nor any other wifi devices the ISP has seen. So, I suspect configuration or hardware issues. Given all that, my question is this... is it possible that power-saving-mode is the culprit? What happens during power save mode? Which protocols will wake it back up, which won't? Does it just drop the power level, or does it stop traffic of any or certain types? The packet trace showed nothing out of the ordinary, other than some stray tcp fragments resulting from the disassociation from the router. The syslogd trace showed the same things that happen during a successful connection to a different network. The same things happens on my 770. Any ideas appreciated. I am not really familiar with gconfd, so I would be obliged if someone can share the right shell incantation to change the power saving mode timeout. Thanks, bd ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Coming back to Glade
El mar, 06-03-2007 a las 11:46 +0100, ext Claudio Scordino escribió: > Then, I downloaded kiwi and I tried > > python setup.py install > > but it complains saying > > "PyGTK 2.8 or PyGObject 2.9.0 or higher is required by kiwi" Probably you are using python from scratchbox toolchain. Try: python2.5 setup.py install Salu2 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800: Debian packages, PIM suite, WLAN chip, battery
Hi, On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 08:35:46AM +0100, Thomas Hühn wrote: > I'm currently thinking about buying a N800, after some friends won the > N770 at Gnome's GUADEC and were quite happy with it. I was extremely happy with my 770, and even happier with the N800. (That does not mean both devices do not have any flaws -- they have plenty, especially on the software side. Nevertheless I am very happy with them.) > What I don't get so far is: Can I use normal Debian packages from > ftp.debian.org? No, not yet -- different ABI (http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort). Debian plans to migrate to EABI. Usually it is not too difficult to recompile Debian source packages for Maemo. > The maemo wiki's application list looks quite empty > compared to the list for the N770, and it would sure be nice if I were > able to get any app from the vast pool that Debian supplies. Still, I > fear that's not possible? The wiki application catalog is deprecated (although some people still update it). The new catalog is http://downloads.maemo.org/. Unfortunately not all applications are added there. > Does the N800 come with some PIM suite (at least calendar, contacts, > appointments) preinstalled (that is, from Nokia)? No. There's a Contacts application, but it only stores email addresses and Jabber/Google Talk IDs. > What kind of WLAN chip is used in the device? I don't remember. It supports 802.11b and 802.11g. > Is the battery pack one that is used with other Nokia devices > (especially mobile phones), too? Would be nice, since those are usually > cheap to get. Yes. Marius Gedminas -- Life was simple before World War II. After that, we had systems. -- Grace Murray Hopper, 1987 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Coming back to Glade
Fernando Herrera wrote: My plan is to make gazpacho available on the Sardine distribution soon in the next weeks. Up to now, I used Gazpacho with maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.0_i386.tgz as rootstrap and http://repository.maemo.org/ mistral free non-free This is wrong. maemo-sdk-3.0 is bora, not mistral. so you should have these repositories in order to get python 2.5: http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free Ok, done. I'm going to have a Bora with Gazpacho manually installed following your instructions. I need a further help about this. I installed the python2.5-gobject-dev and python2.5-gtk2-dev packages from these repositories in order to have pygtk installed on Scratchbox. Then, I downloaded kiwi and I tried python setup.py install but it complains saying "PyGTK 2.8 or PyGObject 2.9.0 or higher is required by kiwi" which is already installed... What went wrong ? So, why the Gazpacho website says "Will libglade load the files Gazpacho generates? That's the idea but unfortunately it is not working yet for some cases. The problem is libglade does not support non Widget objects. There are some patches to fix this and we are all waiting for libglade maintainer to apply them." ? This was the sentence that made me to try to come back to Glade... I don't know where did you get that info, but it seems to be quite outdated. From http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/ : I took it from http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/faq Probably, not all parts of the website are up to date. Does exist any guide or manual about using Gazpacho ? I couldn't find any... Many thanks, Claudio ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Maemo at CeBIT 2007?
Hi, will there be Maemo-related items at the CeBIT in Hannover? I'd like to make sure I see those exhibits that are there this year. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Bluetooth mouse.
Regarding the mouse, I've found this: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-October/005941.html Francesc. A Dimarts 06 Març 2007, Larry Battraw va escriure: > On 3/5/07, Francesc Roig-i-Feliu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi > > > > Anybody knows if is possible that mameo recognizes a BT mouse? > > Anybody has tryed it? > > No and yes :-) The X-server Maemo uses is not capable of using a > mouse because 1) There is no existing option (as OS2007 is shipped) > to tell it to look for one and 2) Even when you point it to a mouse > it still does not work. Tried it this weekend and although pairing > worked fine the X server refused to respond to the mouse, using the > -mouse option. > > Daniel, I note that you're the build-master and author of a lot of the > changes for the X/kdrive server (I built it over the weekend and dug > around in the code). I'm still unclear on what is causing the mouse > to not work, and how you would tell it what type of mouse is > connected. In hw/kdrive/linux/mouse.c I can see the code for handling > different types of mice and it appears to be compiled into linux.a for > linking against, since you need it for tslib. It's unclear how much > of linux.a is used for kdrive beyond tslib.c. Can you give me a > couple hints for starting work on getting a mouse functional? > > Thanks- > Larry > > Larry This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Re : N800 and USB host Mode
David Hagood wrote: 1) on the 770 the only way to get sound in to the device would be to hold it near the radio's speaker. Well I guess (may be mistaken) that newer N770 devices with preinstalled IT2006 come with wired headset so there is input pin in the headphone jack. Or are they shipping just headphones? Headset definitely comes with N800. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
