Re: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 08:12:40PM -0400, andrei raevsky wrote: > 1) Xterm: I have installed xterm and even got myself a root password (using > dropbear ssh). I hope you have changed the default root password? > However, this is no the Bash shell I am used to and the > commands do not have man or info pages. Where can I find some documentation > on this shell's usage? And one small thing: show do I scroll up numerous > pages (like to examine the contents of a 'netstat' command)? osso-xterm has a scrollbar at the right side of the screen, but there's only so much output that fits in its scrollback buffer. > BTW - when I > do netstat|less I get a warning that "this terminal is not fully > functional". Any ideas as to what that means? It means that the terminfo database that less uses to figure out how to control the cursor is not installed. It comes with the ncurses-base package that you can install from the Application Manager, if you have the maemo-hackers.org repository configured. Did you install the plain osso-xterm (version 0.13) or the maemo-hacker.org version (0.13.mh21bora1)? I strongly suggest the m-h.org one, as it is more featureful. Marius Gedminas -- Look! Before our very eyes, the future is becoming the past. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 wifi power usage
On Monday 02 Apr 2007 22:22, Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: > I've used it to poll e-mail (up to 100 at a time when on the road). > This was prior to flashing the new update. The e-mail client might > crash but the system stayed up. > > I've used it for streaming audio with good transmission rates > depending upon where I am. At my office I get excellent speeds, e.g. > > 75kps. I have not tried streaming video so can't comment on that; > however, I don't know that I would have any more issues than with > audio. Hi, Those thing do work ok here too, so the question is still open. Thanks anyway, and let me know if you do try streaming video or copying large files over the wlan. Thanks, Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 wifi power usage
On Tuesday 03 Apr 2007 07:05, Eero Tamminen wrote: > ext Michael Wetherell wrote: > >> I use wifi nearly 7x24 without issue. I also use the Internet a > >> good deal during the day and night, again, without issue. > > > > Thanks, it could be I should return this machine and get another > > then. > > Have you flashed the latest N800 release and does the problem appear > with that too? Yes I'm using RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin. > I would assume that your wifi access point could also affect this. > Does the same issue happen if you use some other (model) of wifi > access point? Yes I see the same problem with a different type of AP. > (For example some of the access points behave badly which causes the > device to use more battery than with a properly behaving access > point.) Yes I saw the previous thread about that, though in that case the problem was that the battery was running flat when the N800 was idle, whereas this problem seems to be that working the wifi hard for more than a few minutes draws too much power or causes overheating. > > Do you use it for the sorts of things I mentioned? Here general use > > is fine. Things like email and using the web do not cause a > > problem, nor even streaming audio which works the wifi continuously > > but only at a rate of a few packets a second. > > > > OTOH, streaming 300kbit/s mpeg4 video with 48bkit/s mp3 audio > > causes the media player to freeze after 10 mins or so and then the > > m/c reboots. > > > > Or fetching a 1.5 Gig file with: > > $ wget -O /dev/null http://local-server/gigs > > That ran for nearly 18 mins, at around 700kbytes/s, after which the > > wifi went dead, the m/c was warm though it didn't crash. > > Do you have a memory card inserted and if yes, does taking that out > affect anything? I just tried that, but the problem was the same. The tests above don't actually use the flash drives. Can you try the wget test above? Connect in using ssh and then do: $ wget -O /dev/null http://local-server/gigs for a large file. It copies the file to /dev/null, so it's not using the flash, and the screen and audio can also be off, so it's testing mainly the wifi. Here it copied 750 megs in a little under 18 minutes before the wifi went dead, overheated I think, probably not good for the unit. Thanks, Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800
On Tuesday 03 Apr 2007 01:12, andrei raevsky wrote: > 3) I have installed mplayer. Both the original media player and > mplayer tend to make the unit freeze (with the sound track still > running) has anyone come up with a solution for this There's the update (which other have mentioned already): http://maemo.org/#date_23032007 It should work really well then. If not then try reencoding your video: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/VideoEncoding > 6) has anyone succeeded in installing a firewall on the N800? I > could, of course, write a small script for iptables but its just not > convenient to access the root account with ssh each time then run the > ipables script. Any better ideas? You could add an init.d script: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s5.14.3.2 Regards, Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Doom
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 08:20:40AM -0500, Willie McKemie wrote: > > The repository for doom that is pointed to from downloads.maemo.org > seems not to be working correctly. Anyone know another source of doom > for OS2007? I found deb http://marceloeduardo.com/apt mistral games I put that in my /etc/apt/sources.list and installed lxdoom; it seems to work. I wonder if using the "mistral" repository instead of "bora" is gonna cause me trouble? -- Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog! http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995 Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 380 days 13 hours 23 minutes ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800
7) is there a car charger for the N800? http://www.nokiausa.com/accessories/item_details/1,8994,product:DC-4|phone_code:N800,00.html T. --- Weblog ~ http://tim.samoff.com Baby Blog ~ http://kc.samoff.com Photography ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff Music ~ http://www.adkoc.com -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:12:40 -0400 From: "andrei raevsky" Subject: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800 To: maemo-users@maemo.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear friends, I have just acquired the N800 and I love it. I do have a number of questions about it which are not really maemo-related, but since this list is one of well-informed N770/N800 users I thought I might at well ask here. 1) Xterm: I have installed xterm and even got myself a root password (using dropbear ssh). However, this is no the Bash shell I am used to and the commands do not have man or info pages. Where can I find some documentation on this shell's usage? And one small thing: show do I scroll up numerous pages (like to examine the contents of a 'netstat' command)? BTW - when I do netstat|less I get a warning that "this terminal is not fully functional". Any ideas as to what that means? 2) Batteries: Nokia's documentation says that once the batteries are charged the unit should be disconnected (same thing for my Nokia phone, BTW). So does that mean that overnight recharge is not an option? Can/should I run the unit without a battery inside when/if I can? The battery life of the unit (and of my Nokia phone) is, alas, rather short. Has anyone tried purchasing a non-Nokia battery for cheaper and possibly with a longer battery life? 3) I have installed mplayer. Both the original media player and mplayer tend to make the unit freeze (with the sound track still running) has anyone come up with a solution for this 4) I have installed a lot of small files on the internal 2GB card and ever since see the unit doing "refreshing" very often and for a long while. Is there any way to make this better. 5) on bootup I notice (with a CPU monitoring applet) that the CPU is working at full blast. I did a "top" in xterm to see who was taking so much CPU power and I found out that the culprit is 'metalayer-c'. Any idea of who that is and why this happens? 6) has anyone succeeded in installing a firewall on the N800? I could, of course, write a small script for iptables but its just not convenient to access the root account with ssh each time then run the ipables script. Any better ideas? 7) is there a car charger for the N800? Ok. that's about it. Sorry for the non-maemo linked questions & many thanks for any pointers, Andrei -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/attachments/20070402/bccea6da/attachment.html -- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: GPS receiver problem after N800 flash (SOLVED)
El Dimarts 03 Abril 2007 07:59, Eero Tamminen va escriure: > Are you using the latest N800 release? Yes: $ cat osso_software_version RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_MR0 > metalayer-crawler is definately taking more memory than it should > (FYI: AFAIK it's two threads, not two processes). On my device it > takes after boot ~4MB of RSS. 10MB additional memory usage is huge... I use two 4GB SD cards with music, videos, ebooks and 600 MB Google Stret maps for Maemo Mapper: $ df -h [...] /dev/mmcblk0p13.7G 1.7G 2.0G 47% /media/mmc2 /dev/mmcblk1p13.7G 2.8G994.4M 74% /media/mmc1 > Is the memory usage the same if you start the device without any > memory card inserted? metalayer-crawl: 2.5% Programs list with memory >= 1%: PID USER STATUS RSS PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND 943 user S < 11M 867 0.0 9.4 maemo-launcher 954 user S < 6332 867 0.0 4.9 maemo-launcher 950 user S < 6084 867 0.0 4.7 maemo-launcher 999 systemui S < 5592 308 0.0 4.3 systemui 867 user S < 3724 1 0.0 2.9 maemo-launcher 969 user S < 3460 308 0.0 2.7 osso-media-serv 1052 user S 3296 308 0.0 2.5 mediaplayer-eng 1053 user S 3296 1052 0.0 2.5 mediaplayer-eng 1061 user S N 3292 308 0.0 2.5 metalayer-crawl 1067 user S N 3292 1061 0.0 2.5 metalayer-crawl 602 root S < 3036 308 0.0 2.3 Xomap 704 user S < 2880 308 0.0 2.2 matchbox-window 696 user S < 2504 308 0.0 1.9 sapwood-server 976 user S 1920 1 0.0 1.5 dbus-vfs-daemon 1022 user S 1740 308 0.0 1.3 alarmd 780 root S 1596 308 0.0 1.2 osso_hss 604 messageb S 1500 1 0.0 1.1 gconfd-2 851 root S < 1488 308 0.0 1.1 icd 843 root S < 1464 308 0.0 1.1 ke-recv 598 root S < 1336 308 0.0 1.0 mce 848 root S < 1304 308 0.0 1.0 wlancond 573 messageb S < 1300 308 0.0 1.0 dbus-daemon 977 root S 1280 308 0.0 1.0 ias Regards, -- Benjamí http://blog.bitassa.cat . ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: A bit more help?
Thank you Quim, I appreciate knowing that and I'll look more closely at the catalog for potential enhancements. Regards, Nick Shaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: RE: A bit more help? >This is a general question for Nokia. Is the product catalog >going to be fixed? Specifically, when I select IT OS 2007, I >get everything which makes selecting an OS pretty much mute. Yes, product catalog bugs will be fixed. The one you mention has already been submitted, you can follow the progress there: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=696&group_id= 106&atid=457 In fact this catalog will get still a lot of improvement. Part of this improvement is kind of planned (we are getting now into details) and there is room for your feedback. Please file your bugs and feature requests in the Tracker of this Garage project. Thanks! Quim ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Doom
On 4/3/07, Willie McKemie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I found deb http://marceloeduardo.com/apt mistral games I put that in my /etc/apt/sources.list and installed lxdoom; it seems to work. I wonder if using the "mistral" repository instead of "bora" is gonna cause me trouble? No problem at all. -- Eduardo de Barros Lima INdT - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: GPS receiver problem after N800 flash (SOLVED)
Hi, ext Benjamí Villoslada wrote: >> metalayer-crawler is definately taking more memory than it should >> (FYI: AFAIK it's two threads, not two processes). On my device it >> takes after boot ~4MB of RSS. 10MB additional memory usage is huge... > > I use two 4GB SD cards with music, videos, ebooks and 600 MB Google Stret > maps > for Maemo Mapper: > > $ df -h > [...] > /dev/mmcblk0p13.7G 1.7G 2.0G 47% /media/mmc2 > /dev/mmcblk1p13.7G 2.8G994.4M 74% /media/mmc1 > >> Is the memory usage the same if you start the device without any >> memory card inserted? > > metalayer-crawl: 2.5% > > Programs list with memory >= 1%: > > PID USER STATUS RSS PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND > 943 user S < 11M 867 0.0 9.4 maemo-launcher > 954 user S < 6332 867 0.0 4.9 maemo-launcher > 950 user S < 6084 867 0.0 4.7 maemo-launcher > 999 systemui S < 5592 308 0.0 4.3 systemui > 867 user S < 3724 1 0.0 2.9 maemo-launcher > 969 user S < 3460 308 0.0 2.7 osso-media-serv > 1052 user S 3296 308 0.0 2.5 mediaplayer-eng > 1053 user S 3296 1052 0.0 2.5 mediaplayer-eng > 1061 user S N 3292 308 0.0 2.5 metalayer-crawl > 1067 user S N 3292 1061 0.0 2.5 metalayer-crawl Ok, so the problem is that some file(s) cause crawler to take more memory than it should. There's already some bug in Maemo Bugzilla that crawler takes too much CPU, maybe you could vote on that and add a new bug about it taking too much memory too? Could you run the attached script on the device for /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2 directories? It lists how many files and of what type (with what filename extention) you have under given directory structure. - Eero filetype-counts.sh Description: application/shellscript ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800
Dear friends, Thanks for all your suggestions. Looks like this list was the correct one to submit questions to :-) A couple of small follow-up, if I may: 1) updating the firmware: I have been using only GNU/Linux since 2000 (mostly Debian). I could try to find somebody with W2k or XP, but is there no GNU version of the software update at Nokia?! Surely this Debian-based unit has a Debian-based updating option? Also - since don't suppose 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' would work - why can't the 'check for updates' option of the application manager now allow a complete firmware update? Is it in the ROM? 2) batteries: just to see if I got this one right - I can leave the unit permanently connected to the charger and the batteries will be ok? 3) metalayer-crawler0: how do I disable this and could I simply let the unit sit for 5 minutes after boot-up instead? 4) chargers: the unit comes with a Nokia AC-4U charger rated at DC 5V/890mA. My cellphone - a Nokia 6133 - comes with a AC-3U charger rated at DC 5V/ 350mA. Could I use either one of them for *both* my N800 and my phone? That would mean less stuff to travel with (I also have a car charger for my phone - could I use that one for my N800?). 5) repos: the catalog of my application manager currently includes the following repos: - Nokia catalogue - Nokia catalogue (3rd party software) - FBReader repository - maemo-hackers - bora-extras - mg Can I trust all these repos and what repos should I add to this list? 6) system crashes: how does one reinstall/fix a N800 unit after a major crash? Assuming that I - as roo - do something I should not, or that by installing the wrong software I really screw-up my tablet terminally. How can I rescue/reinstall it? Is there a way to bootup the unit in CLI to fix any X/GUI problems? and lastly: 7) when an application goes out of control (which, for example, my mplayer seems to be doing), how does one stop/kill it? The best way I have found so far is to open a terminal and give it a kill command. But what should I do if the GUI is frozen? Rebooting seems a bad idea as the filesystem of the N800 is not journalled and I am concerned that reboots might result in lost data. Many thanks again and kind regards, Andrei ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800
On 03/04/07, andrei raevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear friends, Thanks for all your suggestions. Looks like this list was the correct one to submit questions to :-) A couple of small follow-up, if I may: 1) updating the firmware: I have been using only GNU/Linux since 2000 (mostly Debian). I could try to find somebody with W2k or XP, but is there no GNU version of the software update at Nokia?! Surely this Debian-based unit has a Debian-based updating option? Yep check downloads section of maemo for linux based flash utility Also - since don't suppose 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' would work - why can't the 'check for updates' option of the application manager now allow a complete firmware update? Is it in the ROM? Nokia plan to add apt-get dist-upgrade support and have discussed adding a meta package 2) batteries: just to see if I got this one right - I can leave the unit permanently connected to the charger and the batteries will be ok? I think so if left charging the device runs off the charger leaving the battery alone. It's a smart charger so it should do the right thing. 3) metalayer-crawler0: how do I disable this and could I simply let the unit sit for 5 minutes after boot-up instead? This process scans the card indexing the media it finds so it can take a little time if there is a lot of files, or a broken file, supposed to have been improved in the latest firmware release. 6) system crashes: how does one reinstall/fix a N800 unit after a major crash? Assuming that I - as roo - do something I should not, or that by installing the wrong software I really screw-up my tablet terminally. How can I rescue/reinstall it? Is there a way to bootup the unit in CLI to fix any X/GUI problems? reflash ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800
7) when an application goes out of control (which, for example, my mplayer seems to be doing), how does one stop/kill it? The best way I have found so far is to open a terminal and give it a kill command. But what should I do if the GUI is frozen? Rebooting seems a bad idea as the filesystem of the N800 is not journalled and I am concerned that reboots might result in lost data. This won't work if the GUI is frozen, of course, but it does remove the xTerm layer (if you want to): https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ T. --- Weblog ~ http://tim.samoff.com Baby Blog ~ http://kc.samoff.com Photography ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff Music ~ http://www.adkoc.com - Original Message - Subject: Re: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800 From: andrei raevsky To: "Tim" CC: "maemo-users@maemo.org" Date: 04/03/2007 7:25 am Dear friends, Thanks for all your suggestions. Looks like this list was the correct one to submit questions to :-) A couple of small follow-up, if I may: 1) updating the firmware: I have been using only GNU/Linux since 2000 (mostly Debian). I could try to find somebody with W2k or XP, but is there no GNU version of the software update at Nokia?! Surely this Debian-based unit has a Debian-based updating option? Also - since don't suppose 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' would work - why can't the 'check for updates' option of the application manager now allow a complete firmware update? Is it in the ROM? 2) batteries: just to see if I got this one right - I can leave the unit permanently connected to the charger and the batteries will be ok? 3) metalayer-crawler0: how do I disable this and could I simply let the unit sit for 5 minutes after boot-up instead? 4) chargers: the unit comes with a Nokia AC-4U charger rated at DC 5V/890mA. My cellphone - a Nokia 6133 - comes with a AC-3U charger rated at DC 5V/ 350mA. Could I use either one of them for *both* my N800 and my phone? That would mean less stuff to travel with (I also have a car charger for my phone - could I use that one for my N800?). 5) repos: the catalog of my application manager currently includes the following repos: * Nokia catalogue *Nokia catalogue (3rd party software) * FBReader repository *maemo-hackers *bora-extras * mg Can I trust all these repos and what repos should I add to this list? 6) system crashes: how does one reinstall/fix a N800 unit after a major crash? Assuming that I - as roo - do something I should not, or that by installing the wrong software I really screw-up my tablet terminally. How can I rescue/reinstall it? Is there a way to bootup the unit in CLI to fix any X/GUI problems? and lastly: 7) when an application goes out of control (which, for example, my mplayer seems to be doing), how does one stop/kill it? The best way I have found so far is to open a terminal and give it a kill command. But what should I do if the GUI is frozen? Rebooting seems a bad idea as the filesystem of the N800 is not journalled and I am concerned that reboots might result in lost data. Many thanks again and kind regards, Andrei ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800
"ext andrei raevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Also - since don't suppose 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' > would work - why can't the 'check for updates' option of the > application manager now allow a complete firmware update? *cough* That feature is hopefully coming. The main problem there is not to run apt-get on the device, but to produce a well tested repository that people can use confidently. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800
andrei raevsky wrote: 6) system crashes: how does one reinstall/fix a N800 unit after a major crash? Assuming that I - as roo - do something I should not, or that by installing the wrong software I really screw-up my tablet terminally. How can I rescue/reinstall it? Is there a way to bootup the unit in CLI to fix any X/GUI problems? The best way for this is dual boot http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card You can then mount and fix broken system from working one. You can also keep one system for experiments and second as a working stable backup. BTW, generally it is good idea to search wiki [1] and list archive [2] before firing tons of questions 1. http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ 2. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800
Hi, ext andrei raevsky wrote: ... > 3) metalayer-crawler0: how do I disable this and could I simply let the > unit sit for 5 minutes after boot-up instead? Search Maemo Bugzilla, there's some env variable which controls what directories it searches. Without crawler you wouldn't see anything in the media player. ... > 5) repos: the catalog of my application manager currently includes the > following repos: > - Nokia catalogue > - Nokia catalogue (3rd party software) > - FBReader repository > - maemo-hackers > - bora-extras > - mg > > Can I trust all these repos and what repos should I add to this list? Trust in which way? To contain software that can potentially screw your device (by filling your Flash or RAM, using all CPU...)? Yes, that's why there's the warning when you install 3rd party software... :-) > 6) system crashes: how does one reinstall/fix a N800 unit after a major > crash? Assuming that I - as roo - do something I should not, or that by > installing the wrong software I really screw-up my tablet terminally. How > can I rescue/reinstall it? The device has a backup application that works pretty nicely. Note that except for settings in Gconf, it doesn't backup data for 3rd party applications that haven't told backup what additional data should be backed up. Then just reflash. Backup + reflash + restore takes only 10 minutes[1] if you have already downloaded all the necessary things (flasher program, the release you want to flash). [1] if you backup only settings and not data. Zipping the data to/from the memory card takes a bit longer from the backup app. ... > 7) when an application goes out of control (which, for example, my mplayer > seems to be doing), how does one stop/kill it? The best way I have > found so > far is to open a terminal and give it a kill command. But what should I do > if the GUI is frozen? Rebooting seems a bad idea as the filesystem of the > N800 is not journalled and I am concerned that reboots might result in lost > data. JFFS2 is journaled and guarantees file system to be consistent. Individual files can be incompletely written though (instead of being removed like would happen with a filesystem that journals everything), but incomplete applications data files do not prevent the device from booting up. Note that memory cards usually have FAT file system (for MicroSoft compatibility) and FAT can break very easily if it's being written when the device reboots abnormally. You can fsck your memory card through USB connection from the PC. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: GPS receiver problem after N800 flash (SOLVED)
El Dimarts 03 Abril 2007 15:21, Eero Tamminen va escriure:
> Ok, so the problem is that some file(s) cause crawler to take more
> memory than it should. There's already some bug in Maemo Bugzilla
> that crawler takes too much CPU, maybe you could vote on that
> and add a new bug about it taking too much memory too?
Yes, I'm glad to contribute to debug :) ... but at this moment Bugzilla fails
when I search "crawler" :(
https://maemo.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=crawler&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=crawler&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=crawler&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=crawler
DBI connect('host=osso.db.dmz;database=maemobugs;port=3306','maemobugs',...)
failed: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'osso.db.dmz' (113)
at /usr/lib/perl5/DBI.pm line 603
(I try again later)
> Could you run the attached script on the device for /media/mmc1
> and /media/mmc2 directories? It lists how many files and of what
> type (with what filename extention) you have under given directory
> structure.
mmc1:
1 Ad
1 Autumn
1 I'll
1 Shadow
1 c
1 css
2 xbm
3 txt
4 xml
9 jpg
20 ogg
29 pdf
154 gif
242 html
388 mp3
2012 no-extension-in-file
3497 htm
mmc2 (a lot of time counting files, probably due to 775.8 MB Google Maps jpg
files):
1 31_armel
1 metadata
1 swap
5 avi
5 no-extension-in-file
7 zip
10 deb
178623 jpg
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Re: GPS receiver problem after N800 flash (SOLVED)
Hi, ext Benjamí Villoslada wrote: >> Could you run the attached script on the device for /media/mmc1 >> and /media/mmc2 directories? It lists how many files and of what >> type (with what filename extention) you have under given directory >> structure. > > mmc1: ... > 9 jpg > 20 ogg > 29 pdf > 154 gif > 242 html > 388 mp3 >2012 no-extension-in-file >3497 htm > > mmc2 (a lot of time counting files, probably due to 775.8 MB Google Maps jpg > files): ... > 5 avi > 5 no-extension-in-file > 7 zip > 10 deb > 178623 jpg Could you try which one of the MMCs affects the crawler memory usage (and performance) more? And if it's the latter one, does removing the AVI files affect the memory usage? If the main problem is with the first MMC, then the issue is probably mp3s, does removing them (or everything else) change things significantly? If the memory effect comes from the second MMC and also without the AVIs, I think the problem could be that crawler reads the directories recursively. How deep the Google maps directory structure is and how many files there are in a given directory? (maybe you could send privately "ls -lR" output from the Google maps directory) - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800
On 4/3/07, Frantisek Dufka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BTW, generally it is good idea to search wiki [1] and list archive [2] before firing tons of questions I plead guilty as charged and ask for the jury's mercy! I am running around preparing for a trip which will be my first one with the N800, and when I got all the quality answers to my first post - heck - I could not resist and fire some more. I *will* try to behave in the future. Thanks for the ton of useful answers guys. (-: Just lemme know if I can use the same charger on my phone & N800 and I promise to get off your collective backs - at least for a while ;-) Kind regards & many thanks, Andrei ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Canola abruptily ending songs too soon...
So, I've been using Canola extensively for the first time today... I've had it for a while, but never really let it play through an entire library of songs. Anyway, I have it on Random. It works for the most part. But, it seems that ever 5-10 songs, it will end the song short and go to the next track. Has anyone else had this issue? Tim --- Weblog ~ http://tim.samoff.com Baby Blog ~ http://kc.samoff.com Photography ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff Music ~ http://www.adkoc.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
phone charger for N800 (was: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800)
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 01:33:10PM -0400, andrei raevsky wrote: > Just lemme know if I can use the same charger on my phone & N800 > and I promise to get off your collective backs - at least for a > while Since the phone charger is rated for less current than the N800 requires, you would risk damaging the charger -- possibly overheating or catching fire -- but probably not the tablet (unless it's consumed in the same fire :-). I'd recommend against it. If you can find a charger that provides greater than the amount of current required, it would be fine. -- Eric Cooper e c c @ c m u . e d u ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Canola abruptily ending songs too soon...
On 4/3/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, I've been using Canola extensively for the first time today... I've had it for a while, but never really let it play through an entire library of songs. Anyway, I have it on Random. It works for the most part. But, it seems that ever 5-10 songs, it will end the song short and go to the next track. Has anyone else had this issue? Hi Tim, We never had such report. Are you running any other application together with Canola? Seems that other app is having OSSO media server* to switch to next song or having it to emit "end-of-song", then canola would act in response. *osso media server is nokia application that handles media for players on device, we communicate with it using a inter-process communication, dbus. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri -- Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 17249123 Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (81) 9927 0010 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Canola abruptily ending songs too soon...
Hi, Gustavo... I have the current versions of Claws-mail and Gaim running at the same time... Claws-mail is set up to retreive mail every 5 minutes. Gaim updates whenever someone enters or leaves, etc. I've also noticed some weird "chirps" (digital distortion of some kind) that occur during playback (seems to be random, as it's not reproducable on the same track twice). These chirps sometimes occur when a song is cut short. I'll keep a closer eye on why the songs might be switching next time. Thanks, Tim --- Weblog ~ http://tim.samoff.com Baby Blog ~ http://kc.samoff.com Photography ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff Music ~ http://www.adkoc.com - Original Message - Subject: Re: Canola abruptily ending songs too soon... From: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri To: "Tim" CC: "Maemo Users Group" Date: 04/03/2007 1:32 pm On 4/3/07, Tim wrote: > So, I've been using Canola extensively for the first time today... I've had > it for a while, but never really let it play through an entire library of > songs. Anyway, I have it on Random. It works for the most part. But, it > seems that ever 5-10 songs, it will end the song short and go to the next > track. > > Has anyone else had this issue? Hi Tim, We never had such report. Are you running any other application together with Canola? Seems that other app is having OSSO media server* to switch to next song or having it to emit "end-of-song", then canola would act in response. *osso media server is nokia application that handles media for players on device, we communicate with it using a inter-process communication, dbus. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri -- Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 17249123 Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (81) 9927 0010 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: phone charger for N800 (was: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800)
well, how abouyt using the N800 charger on the phone, the other way around? On 4/3/07, Eric Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 01:33:10PM -0400, andrei raevsky wrote: > Just lemme know if I can use the same charger on my phone & N800 > and I promise to get off your collective backs - at least for a > while Since the phone charger is rated for less current than the N800 requires, you would risk damaging the charger -- possibly overheating or catching fire -- but probably not the tablet (unless it's consumed in the same fire :-). I'd recommend against it. If you can find a charger that provides greater than the amount of current required, it would be fine. -- Eric Cooper e c c @ c m u . e d u ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: phone charger for N800 (was: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800)
On 4/3/07, Eric Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 01:33:10PM -0400, andrei raevsky wrote: > Just lemme know if I can use the same charger on my phone & N800 > and I promise to get off your collective backs - at least for a > while Since the phone charger is rated for less current than the N800 requires, you would risk damaging the charger -- possibly overheating or catching fire -- but probably not the tablet (unless it's consumed in the same fire :-). I'd recommend against it. Normally I would agree with this statement, but I'm not sure if I would in this case. Based on previous mailing list posts, it seems the N800 essentially connects the charger port directly to the battery. Charging is basically controlled using pulse-width modulation--that is, the port is switched on and off with the percent on time and percent off time varied depending on amount of charge. This necessitates a current limited supply, as nothing is done to limit current in the device--equivalent resistance is equivalent to the battery internal resistance, which is going to be very small. Because the proposed power charger is of lower current, you're correct that the N800 won't be damaged by it. The battery will surely charge slower, but there shouldn't be any damage. I would be surprised to see any damage to the charger as well, though. It's true, the charger will be running at 100% current draw for much of the charge cycle, but this is true for any battery charger supply, and is definitely true for the charger built for the N800 for the reasons explained above. It is possible that a PSU has inadequate cooling to hold it's max rated current draw indefinitely, but I find that highly unlikely for the charger built for the N800--and one would assume Nokia probably uses the same technique in their mobile phones, so I'd expect that to be unlikely of any Nokia charger. If you can find a charger that provides greater than the amount of current required, it would be fine. No, this could be worse. Once the current is too high, the PWM will not be able to react fast enough and damage could occur. Generally, you're thought is a good rule of thumb, but not based on how this device is constructed. Ideally, an equivalent charger to the N800 would be best, but a lower current equal voltage supply should also be adequate. An unscientific test would be to charge your phone and your N800 both from a dead battery. If the charger gets noticeably hotter charging the N800, you probably don't want to do that again. On 4/3/07, andrei raevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:well, how abouyt using the N800 charger on the phone, the other way around? If the phone uses the same method as the N800, charging the phone with the N800 charger might not be a good idea as it could damage the phone. I'd recommend you stick with the adapters meant for the units. --Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: phone charger for N800 (was: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800)
I have been using the nokia phone charger first with my n770 and now with the n800 and have had no problems. tim On 04/03/2007 15:28, Paul Klapperich wrote: > On 4/3/07, Eric Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 01:33:10PM -0400, andrei raevsky wrote: > > > Just lemme know if I can use the same charger on my phone & N800 > > > and I promise to get off your collective backs - at least for a > > > while > > > > Since the phone charger is rated for less current than the N800 > > requires, you would risk damaging the charger -- possibly overheating > > or catching fire -- but probably not the tablet (unless it's consumed > > in the same fire :-). I'd recommend against it. > > Normally I would agree with this statement, but I'm not sure if I would in > this case. Based on previous mailing list posts, it seems the N800 > essentially connects the charger port directly to the battery. Charging is > basically controlled using pulse-width modulation--that is, the port is > switched on and off with the percent on time and percent off time varied > depending on amount of charge. This necessitates a current limited supply, > as nothing is done to limit current in the device--equivalent resistance is > equivalent to the battery internal resistance, which is going to be very > small. > > Because the proposed power charger is of lower current, you're correct that > the N800 won't be damaged by it. The battery will surely charge slower, but > there shouldn't be any damage. I would be surprised to see any damage to > the charger as well, though. It's true, the charger will be running at 100% > current draw for much of the charge cycle, but this is true for any battery > charger supply, and is definitely true for the charger built for the N800 > for the reasons explained above. It is possible that a PSU has inadequate > cooling to hold it's max rated current draw indefinitely, but I find that > highly unlikely for the charger built for the N800--and one would assume > Nokia probably uses the same technique in their mobile phones, so I'd > expect that to be unlikely of any Nokia charger. > > If you can find a charger that provides greater than the amount of > > > current required, it would be fine. > > No, this could be worse. Once the current is too high, the PWM will not be > able to react fast enough and damage could occur. Generally, you're thought > is a good rule of thumb, but not based on how this device is constructed. > > Ideally, an equivalent charger to the N800 would be best, but a lower > current equal voltage supply should also be adequate. > > An unscientific test would be to charge your phone and your N800 both from > a dead battery. If the charger gets noticeably hotter charging the N800, > you probably don't want to do that again. > > On 4/3/07, andrei raevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:well, how abouyt > > > using the N800 charger on the phone, the other way around? > > If the phone uses the same method as the N800, charging the phone with the > N800 charger might not be a good idea as it could damage the phone. > > > I'd recommend you stick with the adapters meant for the units. > > > --Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: phone charger for N800 (was: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800)
I have multiple N-Series phones, a nokia headset, gps and the tablet. I have no idea idea which chaeger came with what device and have them spread around the house, my gear bag and the car. Everything charges and works great. If these were meant for unique devices, you'd think Nokia would have either labeled them or at least made the hardware look different since they are virtually identical. On 4/3/07, Tim Ashman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have been using the nokia phone charger first with my n770 and now with the n800 and have had no problems. tim On 04/03/2007 15:28, Paul Klapperich wrote: > On 4/3/07, Eric Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 01:33:10PM -0400, andrei raevsky wrote: > > > Just lemme know if I can use the same charger on my phone & N800 > > > and I promise to get off your collective backs - at least for a > > > while > > > > Since the phone charger is rated for less current than the N800 > > requires, you would risk damaging the charger -- possibly overheating > > or catching fire -- but probably not the tablet (unless it's consumed > > in the same fire :-). I'd recommend against it. > > Normally I would agree with this statement, but I'm not sure if I would in > this case. Based on previous mailing list posts, it seems the N800 > essentially connects the charger port directly to the battery. Charging is > basically controlled using pulse-width modulation--that is, the port is > switched on and off with the percent on time and percent off time varied > depending on amount of charge. This necessitates a current limited supply, > as nothing is done to limit current in the device--equivalent resistance is > equivalent to the battery internal resistance, which is going to be very > small. > > Because the proposed power charger is of lower current, you're correct that > the N800 won't be damaged by it. The battery will surely charge slower, but > there shouldn't be any damage. I would be surprised to see any damage to > the charger as well, though. It's true, the charger will be running at 100% > current draw for much of the charge cycle, but this is true for any battery > charger supply, and is definitely true for the charger built for the N800 > for the reasons explained above. It is possible that a PSU has inadequate > cooling to hold it's max rated current draw indefinitely, but I find thaurrent draw indefinitely, but I find thaurrent draw indefinitely, but I find that > highly unlikely for the charger built for the N800--and one would assume > Nokia probably uses the same technique in their mobile phones, so I'd > expect that to be unlikely of any Nokia charger. > > If you can find a charger that provides greater than the amount of > > > current required, it would be fine. > > No, this could be worse. Once the current is too high, the PWM will not be > able to react fast enough and damage could occur. Generally, you're thought > is a good rule of thumb, but not based on how this device is constructed. > > Ideally, an equivalent charger to the N800 would be best, but a lower > current equal voltage supply should also be adequate. > > An unscientific test would be to charge your phone and your N800 both from > a dead battery. If the charger gets noticeably hotter charging the N800, > you probably don't want to do that again. > > On 4/3/07, andrei raevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:well, how abouyt > > > using the N800 charger on the phone, the other way around? > > If the phone uses the same method as the N800, charging the phone with the > N800 charger might not be a good idea as it could damage the phone. > > > I'd recommend you stick with the adapters meant for the units. > > > --Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene m 917.560.3000 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Canola abruptily ending songs too soon...
On 4/3/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Gustavo... I have the current versions of Claws-mail and Gaim running at the same time... Claws-mail is set up to retreive mail every 5 minutes. Gaim updates whenever someone enters or leaves, etc. is one of those playing sounds on new messages? I've also noticed some weird "chirps" (digital distortion of some kind) that occur during playback (seems to be random, as it's not reproducable on the same track twice). These chirps sometimes occur when a song is cut short. I'll keep a closer eye on why the songs might be switching next time. Ok, we'll be waiting -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri -- Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 17249123 Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (81) 9927 0010 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Canola abruptily ending songs too soon...
Yes, both do --although Gaim is a much bigger contributor to this factor. I can see how this could cause the "chirping" sounds during song playback (although, honestly, I'd think that the N800 software would be able to handle a couple of separate audio streams). But, I can't see this issue causing Canola to switch tracks... Could it? Tomorrow, more testing commences. ;) T. On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:28:14 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/3/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, Gustavo... > > > > I have the current versions of Claws-mail and Gaim running at the > > same time... Claws-mail is set up to retreive mail every 5 minutes. > > Gaim updates whenever someone enters or leaves, etc. > > is one of those playing sounds on new messages? > > > > I've also noticed some weird "chirps" (digital distortion of some > > kind) that occur during playback (seems to be random, as it's not > > reproducable on the same track twice). These chirps sometimes occur > > when a song is cut short. > > > > I'll keep a closer eye on why the songs might be switching next > > time. > > Ok, we'll be waiting > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
