Re: NFS client on OS 2007

[Frantisek Dufka]

Jeffrey Barish wrote:
>  However, I am confused as to whether NFS is
> already present in the OS. 

Not directly in firmware image.

> maemo downloads has a replacement kernel
> available, which suggests that I would need to replace the kernel.

You can but it is not needed. NFS can be used as kernel modules inserted 
in default Nokia kernel.

>  The
> usual repositories have nothing related to nfs.  However, I have also read
> in the archives for this mail list that it is not necessary to install a
> kernel or anything else. 


Looks like you already asked this before and got some answer
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/20888#20888

> I would settle for smbfs if nfs is not possible.  Any success with that?

Not sure about smbfs but cifs works.

http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtoaccesswindowscifs/

You can get nfs and cifs modules for latest N800 kernel also here
http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#pptp
http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/4.2007-modules.tar.gz

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Re: Need an SSH client for the Nokia 800

[Ed Bartosh]

On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 20:58 +0300, ext Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:43:54PM +0400, Mikhail Sobolev wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 09:24:14PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> > > I don't know if it makes sense for openssh-server to depend on the
> > > client.
> > If I remember correctly, openssh-client has ssh-keygen application,
> > which is required for openssh-server to be properly initialized in
> > {pre,post}inst scripts.
> 
> Ah, that makes sense.
> 
Both server and client also use scp utility.

But please don't worry about that, I'll make server independent from
client soon. Actually I've already done it, but not released.

The only thing which I don't like is a lot of ssh packages. We already
have server and client packages, but as soon as server isn't dependent
on client there should be one more package for installing both server
and client.

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Re: Latest Release of UKMP does not Install Correctly

[Ralph Angenendt]

George Farris wrote:
> UKMP seems to have a few other problems:
> - No volume control in the application.

Have you tested the +/- buttons on top of your n800? 

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: Latest Release of UKMP does not Install Correctly

[Marius Vollmer]

"ext Acadia Secure Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It now reads 1.621. So I went ahead and tried the "click to install"
> and this time it worked!

Ok, so the author of ukmp (Urho?) has probably changed something.

> Interestingly, the message that came up while it was installing
> specified that it was installing version 1.61 not 1.621.

That is likely because of bad bad packaging practices of the ukmp
author.  I know Urho likes to make packages without using the Debian
tools and it is thus likely that his packages do not conform to Debian
policy as well as they should.  Using different versions in the
filename and the meta data could be one example.
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Re: N800 Power Problems

[James Knott]

Mike Klein wrote:
> Frederik Ferner wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 11:01:18AM +0300, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote:
>>   
>>> On Sun, 2007-08-26 at 12:44 +0100, ext Frederik Ferner wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 In my case, I cannot seen any obvious signs but most of the time I plug
 the device into power it doesn't even start charging. I managed to start
 charging it with a few attempts usually. Today I don't seem to have any
 luck, best I got was that it started to charge but by the time I've put
 it back on the table and looked again it seems to have stopped charging
 again. 
   
>>> Try with another charger, it could be a broken plug too..? I had one
>>> plug break internally I think, when I tripped over the cord once,
>>> sending the whole shebang flying around pretty nicely.. :-]
>>>
>>> The device was fine, and charges ok with another charger, but that one
>>> plug is not working reliably anymore.
>>> 
>>
>> Thanks, yes my N800 is indeed still fine but the charger (or more likely
>> the cord) is broken. Unfortunately I don't have any other new style
>> charger around, i.e. the one with the smaller plug.
>>
>> I guess, I'll have to get a new charger...
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Frederik
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> Do NOT buy a new chargerat least for me I've found "usb"
> recharging more versatile...I only use AC for my tabletpcthe big
> guns...all else is in orbit around it.

Does the N800 charge from the USB cable?


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Re: NFS client on OS 2007

[Jeffrey Barish]

Frantisek Dufka wrote:

> Looks like you already asked this before and got some answer
> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/20888#20888

I am pleased that the nfs-common package that you previously suggested
installing appears no longer to be broken.  However, I am alarmed by the
large number of packages that apt-get intends to remove -- especially the
osso-x packages.  Is this correct:

/etc/apt # apt-get install nfs-common rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules portmap
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  debconf debconf-english libwrap0 perl-base
Suggested packages:
  debconf-doc debconf-utils whiptail dialog gnome-utils
  libterm-readline-gnu-perl libgnome2-perl libqt-perl libnet-ldap-perl
Recommended packages:
  apt-utils tcpd
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  dnsmasq fakedebconf netbase osso-connectivity osso-connectivity-ui
  osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs osso-connectivity-ui-connmgr osso-core
  osso-core-busybox osso-ic ppp
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  debconf debconf-english libwrap0 nfs-common perl-base portmap
  rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules
0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 11 to remove and 14 not upgraded.
Need to get 1168kB of archives.
After unpacking 2052kB of additional disk space will be used.


Also, I am still getting the same warning from apt-get update that I
reported before:

W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora Release: The
following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet
Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

It's caused by the line in sources.list for non-certified software.  I
suppose that I should just ignore this warning, but I wonder whether anyone
else sees it.
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Re: NFS client on OS 2007

[Jeffrey Barish]

I also checked to see what would happen if I were to install the real mount
command, as per the posting from Kalle Vahlman:

/etc/apt # apt-get -s install mount
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  libblkid1 libgtkadi1 libuuid1
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  apt-https bluez-utils busybox chavo codelockui dnsmasq docpurge dpkg
fmradio
  hildon-control-panel hildon-control-panel-navigatorapplet
  hildon-control-panel-personalisation hildon-im-hwr-teach
hildon-initscripts
  ke-recv libconbtui0 libosso-certman1 maemo-af-desktop maemo-launcher
  maemo-select-menu-location maemoblocks mediaplayer-ui
  multimedia-applications netbase nokia-repository openssh-client
  openssh-server operator-wizard osso-accounts-obr osso-addressbook osso-af
  osso-af-base osso-af-cpa osso-af-hildon-input-method
  osso-af-hildon-input-method-product osso-af-startup osso-af-utils osso-ai
  osso-app-killer osso-applet-accounts osso-applet-certman
  osso-applet-datetime osso-applet-device osso-applet-devicelock
  osso-applet-display osso-applet-hwkeyboard osso-applet-languageregional
  osso-applet-memory osso-applet-screencalibration osso-applet-sound
  osso-applet-textinput osso-application-installer osso-backup
  osso-bluez-compat osso-browser osso-calculator osso-calculator-ui
  osso-chat-ui osso-chess-ui osso-clock-ui osso-connectivity
  osso-connectivity-ui osso-connectivity-ui-btsettings
  osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs osso-connectivity-ui-connmgr
  osso-connectivity-ui-gwsettings osso-connectivity-ui-gwwizard
  osso-connectivity-ui-statusbar osso-core osso-core-busybox
osso-core-config
  osso-cow osso-dsm-ui osso-email osso-email-ui osso-filemanager
  osso-filemanager-ui osso-games-startup osso-global-search osso-help
  osso-help-ui osso-ic osso-lmarbles osso-mahjong osso-multimedia osso-notes
  osso-pdf-viewer osso-rss-feed-reader osso-rss-feed-reader-applet
  osso-rss-feed-reader-list osso-sketch osso-startup-greeting
  osso-startup-wizard osso-statusbar-alarm osso-systemui
  osso-systemui-actingdead osso-systemui-alarm osso-systemui-devlock
  osso-systemui-modechange osso-systemui-powerkeymenu
  osso-systemui-splashscreen osso-systemui-tklock ppp
  pre-installed-documentation pre-installed-images pre-installed-sounds
  pre-installed-videos skype-ui sysvinit tablet-browser-default-plugin
  tablet-browser-ui
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libblkid1 libuuid1 mount
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libgtkadi1
WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
  busybox dpkg sysvinit
1 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 111 to remove and 11 not upgraded.


This really doesn't seem right.
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Re: N800 Power Problems

[Ryan Pavlik]

James Knott wrote:
> Mike Klein wrote:
>   
>> Frederik Ferner wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 11:01:18AM +0300, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 On Sun, 2007-08-26 at 12:44 +0100, ext Frederik Ferner wrote:

 
 
> In my case, I cannot seen any obvious signs but most of the time I plug
> the device into power it doesn't even start charging. I managed to start
> charging it with a few attempts usually. Today I don't seem to have any
> luck, best I got was that it started to charge but by the time I've put
> it back on the table and looked again it seems to have stopped charging
> again. 
>   
>   
 Try with another charger, it could be a broken plug too..? I had one
 plug break internally I think, when I tripped over the cord once,
 sending the whole shebang flying around pretty nicely.. :-]

 The device was fine, and charges ok with another charger, but that one
 plug is not working reliably anymore.
 
 
>>> Thanks, yes my N800 is indeed still fine but the charger (or more likely
>>> the cord) is broken. Unfortunately I don't have any other new style
>>> charger around, i.e. the one with the smaller plug.
>>>
>>> I guess, I'll have to get a new charger...
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Frederik
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>>>   
>> Do NOT buy a new chargerat least for me I've found "usb"
>> recharging more versatile...I only use AC for my tabletpcthe big
>> guns...all else is in orbit around it.
>> 
>
> Does the N800 charge from the USB cable?
>
>
>   
No.


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Re: NFS client on OS 2007

[Eero Tamminen]

Hi,

ext Jeffrey Barish wrote:
> I also checked to see what would happen if I were to install the real mount
> command, as per the posting from Kalle Vahlman:
...
> This really doesn't seem right.

Maemo != Debian.  Busybox provides many Debian Essential packages.
If you replace some package that Busybox provides, basically you're
saying to the package management that Busybox should be replaced.
As there are many already installed packages that depend from the
other packages that Busybox ("virtually") provides, those would
be removed too as their dependencies are not anymore satisfied.

Such is life with Busybox.

There are some mechanisms (alternatives and diverting) provided by
dpkg (in actuality perl scripts which in Maemo are replaced with
shell  scripts) with which you can handle this, but they are not
very  satisfactory.  They would require modifying both Busybox and
the package wanting to replace something provided by Busybox.


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Re: NFS client on OS 2007

[Frantisek Dufka]

Eero Tamminen wrote:
> Maemo != Debian.

Well, those packages are in Maemo repository not Debian

http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/
rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules_0.1_armel.deb
nfs-common_1.0.6-3.1sdk1_armel.deb
...

I guess they (portmap, kernel modules) are not meant to be used in 
scratchbox ARM target so why they are not installable on the device?

Anyway, one can still extract them via dpkg -x and use binaries (mount, 
portmap) and kernel modules by hand.

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Re: N800 Power Problems

[James Knott]

Ryan Pavlik wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>> Mike Klein wrote:

  
>>> Do NOT buy a new chargerat least for me I've found "usb"
>>> recharging more versatile...I only use AC for my tabletpcthe big
>>> guns...all else is in orbit around it.
>>> 
>>
>> Does the N800 charge from the USB cable?
>>
>>
>>   
> No.
>
>
That's what I thought.  The post I replied to threw in a lot of claims
and so on, but nothing sensible.


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Re: Latest Release of UKMP does not Install Correctly

[George Farris]

On Wed, 2007-29-08 at 14:00 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> George Farris wrote:
> > UKMP seems to have a few other problems:
> > - No volume control in the application.
> 
> Have you tested the +/- buttons on top of your n800? 

Yes thank you, I know they work but I find it far faster to grab a
slider and zip it all the way down or up.  With the up and down buttons
I have to repeatedly click them.  Small issue, yes, but



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Re: N800 Power Problems

[Austin Che]

James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cackled crazily:

> Ryan Pavlik wrote:
>> James Knott wrote:
>>> Mike Klein wrote:
>
 Do NOT buy a new chargerat least for me I've found "usb"
 recharging more versatile...I only use AC for my tabletpcthe big
 guns...all else is in orbit around it.
>>> Does the N800 charge from the USB cable?
>> No.
> That's what I thought.  The post I replied to threw in a lot of claims
> and so on, but nothing sensible.

He was not saying that you should charge the N800 via its USB port
but rather that you can use a USB charger, i.e. a cable that has
USB on one end and a power adapter plug on the other end to plug
into the standard power port of the N800. With such a cable, you
can charge the device with anything that provides USB power, such
as a computer, wall or car adapters, battery packs, etc. I
personally use Proporta's USB mobile device charger which is
basically a battery with USB output to charge my N800.
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Flash to Death?

[Jan]

Hi list,

now I am also a happy user of a N800. So I played a little bit with it and 
managed to have a mmc dual-boot system, and so on.

But I am a little bit unsure about flashing my N800 to death. So my question: 
Is it possible to patch/flash the N800 to death, so that the only option is, 
send it to Nokia for repair.
And if so, what should I NOT do.

Thank for Help
Jan
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Re: N800 Power Problems

[Mike Klein]

Ryan Pavlik wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>   
>> Mike Klein wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Frederik Ferner wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
 On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 11:01:18AM +0300, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote:
   
   
 
> On Sun, 2007-08-26 at 12:44 +0100, ext Frederik Ferner wrote:
>
> 
> 
>   
>> In my case, I cannot seen any obvious signs but most of the time I plug
>> the device into power it doesn't even start charging. I managed to start
>> charging it with a few attempts usually. Today I don't seem to have any
>> luck, best I got was that it started to charge but by the time I've put
>> it back on the table and looked again it seems to have stopped charging
>> again. 
>>   
>>   
>> 
> Try with another charger, it could be a broken plug too..? I had one
> plug break internally I think, when I tripped over the cord once,
> sending the whole shebang flying around pretty nicely.. :-]
>
> The device was fine, and charges ok with another charger, but that one
> plug is not working reliably anymore.
> 
> 
>   
 Thanks, yes my N800 is indeed still fine but the charger (or more likely
 the cord) is broken. Unfortunately I don't have any other new style
 charger around, i.e. the one with the smaller plug.

 I guess, I'll have to get a new charger...

 Kind regards,
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>>> Do NOT buy a new chargerat least for me I've found "usb"
>>> recharging more versatile...I only use AC for my tabletpcthe big
>>> guns...all else is in orbit around it.
>>> 
>>>   
>> Does the N800 charge from the USB cable?
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
> No.
>
>
>   
Yes it does. Notice how "usb" is in quotes? I use the cablebut not
the port on the N800. Cable is split. USB recharging...but not via usb port.
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Re: N800 Power Problems

[Mike Klein]

James Knott wrote:
> Ryan Pavlik wrote:
>   
>> James Knott wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike Klein wrote:
>>>   
>
>   
>  
>   
 Do NOT buy a new chargerat least for me I've found "usb"
 recharging more versatile...I only use AC for my tabletpcthe big
 guns...all else is in orbit around it.
 
 
>>> Does the N800 charge from the USB cable?
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> No.
>>
>>
>> 
> That's what I thought.  The post I replied to threw in a lot of claims
> and so on, but nothing sensible.
>
>
>   
I'll think twice before posting such "nonsense" again
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Re: maemo-mapper

[Jesus]

Anyone figure it out a way to download maps to a desktop and then copy it to
n800+maemo mapper ?!


Thanks in advance


2007/8/20, Karl Eichwalder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Rainer Dorsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Hmm...why not downloading them directly to Maemo Mapper itself? In the
> > "Manage Maps" dialog you can even specify to overwrite maps, which is
> > probably more useful for OSM than for other less fequently changing
> > maps.
>
> Yes, that's what I'm doing right now.  But often maemo-mapper "skips"
> quite some pages (I'm mostly interested in level 0 and 1 images).
> Maybe, these images are expired and need re-rendering, or maemo-mapper
> does not try hard enough and does not wait long enough.
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Re: N770 Mysteriously Became a Brick

[ktneely]

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 04:17:17PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 August 2007, you wrote:
> > Some say this behavior is a precursor to the White Screen of Death,
> > but I have been living with it for about 8 or 9 mos. and that hasn't
> > happened.  Also, I would swear that it happens less often now, but I
> > don't really have anything to back that up.
> 
> Is the White Screen of Death permanent, or just a crashing problem like 
> on Windows?

From what I understand, the WSOD is a permanent condition and there is no 
recovery other than through repair work or warranty replacement.  

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Re: [Fwd: Re: Fwd: Skype on N800]

[DZ]

Hi,

Have anybody tried to compile Wengo Phone for N800?

Skype is very contradictive to linux tablet spirit
- this software uses proprietary closed and encrypted protocol (closed  
also means weak);
- written using obfuscation in software (decryption and checks also uses  
additional n800 power and resources)  
http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.pdf  
(http://www.xakep.ru/post/38543/default.asp);
- according to latest reports reads sensitive user information and nobody  
knows why (because software is closed source and obfuscated) and how it  
can be used by crackers  
(http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/26/1312256&from=rss).

So, Wengo is viable alternative to the Skype.

Thanks,
Denis

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:24:45 +0400, Alan Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> Sorry replied to the individual not the list -- man do i hate that
> "feature" of the list (and yes for the record, i completely disagree
> with every point made by that link that attempts to justify it) :)
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:23:31 +0100
> From: Alan Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Organization: Blog-City Ltd
> To: James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> The last point above has value in light of a recent development.  I  
>> could
>> point to 2 things 1.  the shear hype surround the iPhone.  and second  
>> the
>> expert surfing done by the RAZR team managing to release a new "color"  
>> or
>> other change every time  sales began to slow.
>
> I agree -- the hype around the iPhone has been interesting to watch.
> Especially as they address the awful onscreen keyboard usage which seems
> to be getting people in a bit of a tizz.
>
> If you look at the video on the Apple site; they have everything the
> N800 has, except for one rather cool little feature.  But that is
> something i am sure nokia could easily add in with a next release
> (predicts which key you are going to press next and makes that box  
> bigger).
>
> Nokia -- get thy head out of the sand and take a leaf out of that Jobs
> boy book -- either start hyping up your cool stuff, or give US THE TOOLS
> and we'll do it for you!
>



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Re: [Fwd: Re: Fwd: Skype on N800]

[Ryan Pavlik]

The RTCOMM software in development adds SIP support to the built-in 
software set, and so can be used as a skype replacement.  GizmoProject 
has also been used as a closed-source but open-protocol voice client.

(See planet.gnome.org for information on why that slashdot article is 
probably overblown, btw)

Ryan

DZ wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Have anybody tried to compile Wengo Phone for N800?
>
> Skype is very contradictive to linux tablet spirit
> - this software uses proprietary closed and encrypted protocol (closed  
> also means weak);
> - written using obfuscation in software (decryption and checks also uses  
> additional n800 power and resources)  
> http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.pdf  
> (http://www.xakep.ru/post/38543/default.asp);
> - according to latest reports reads sensitive user information and nobody  
> knows why (because software is closed source and obfuscated) and how it  
> can be used by crackers  
> (http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/26/1312256&from=rss).
>
> So, Wengo is viable alternative to the Skype.
>
> Thanks,
> Denis
>
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:24:45 +0400, Alan Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Sorry replied to the individual not the list -- man do i hate that
>> "feature" of the list (and yes for the record, i completely disagree
>> with every point made by that link that attempts to justify it) :)
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
>> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:23:31 +0100
>> From: Alan Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Organization: Blog-City Ltd
>> To: James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> 
>>> The last point above has value in light of a recent development.  I  
>>> could
>>> point to 2 things 1.  the shear hype surround the iPhone.  and second  
>>> the
>>> expert surfing done by the RAZR team managing to release a new "color"  
>>> or
>>> other change every time  sales began to slow.
>>>   
>> I agree -- the hype around the iPhone has been interesting to watch.
>> Especially as they address the awful onscreen keyboard usage which seems
>> to be getting people in a bit of a tizz.
>>
>> If you look at the video on the Apple site; they have everything the
>> N800 has, except for one rather cool little feature.  But that is
>> something i am sure nokia could easily add in with a next release
>> (predicts which key you are going to press next and makes that box  
>> bigger).
>>
>> Nokia -- get thy head out of the sand and take a leaf out of that Jobs
>> boy book -- either start hyping up your cool stuff, or give US THE TOOLS
>> and we'll do it for you!
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   


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Re: maemo-users Digest, Vol 28, Issue 60

[Jesse Thompson]

> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:32:00 -0400
> From: Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: 770 Brickage
>
> On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Jesse Thompson wrote:
> > I've tried removing the
> > battery and keeping it out overnight, put it back in, no dice.
>
> I was just posting about a similar issue.  Try taking your battery out,
> reinstalling it, and starting it up after that.  It worked for me.
>
> Hal

Thank you for the tip Hal, but I have tried removing the battery and
keeping it out overnight, put it back in, no dice.

I have ordered a spare battery and spare charger though, we'll see if
they have any impact (that and warrantee folks make you try that first
anyway)

Thanks again for confirming I haven't left any of the stones unturned.
As developments unfold I'll post the results up in here. :)

- - Jesse
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Re: N770 Mysteriously Became a Brick

[DrFredC.com]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 04:17:17PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
  
  
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, you wrote:


  Some say this behavior is a precursor to the White Screen of Death,
but I have been living with it for about 8 or 9 mos. and that hasn't
happened.  Also, I would swear that it happens less often now, but I
don't really have anything to back that up.
  

Is the White Screen of Death permanent, or just a crashing problem like 
on Windows?

  
  
>From what I understand, the WSOD is a permanent condition and there is no recovery other than through repair work or warranty replacement.  K
  

First try taking out the battery and reinstalling it.  While doing this, check to make sure the memory card is properly installed.  

Also, its potentially possible that there could be something that corrupted your internal memory card's virtual memory space, in which case formatting the card on another machine might be appropriate.  If you've got a backup and other valuable files on the card, move it off the card before formatting.

Last resort, you might try downloading the lastest version of the OS from Nokia to another computer and reinstall it to your N800.  
 
Always, Dr Fred C
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Re: N770 Mysteriously Became a Brick

[Hal Vaughan]

On Wednesday 29 August 2007, DrFredC.com wrote:

> >From what I understand, the WSOD is a permanent condition and there
> > is no recovery other than through repair work or warranty
> > replacement.  K
>
> First try taking out the battery and reinstalling it.  While doing
> this, check to make sure the memory card is properly installed.
>
> Also, its potentially possible that there could be something that
> corrupted your internal memory card's virtual memory space, in which
> case formatting the card on another machine might be appropriate.  If
> you've got a backup and other valuable files on the card, move it off
> the card before formatting.
>
> Last resort, you might try downloading the lastest version of the OS
> from Nokia to another computer and reinstall it to your N800.

Am I right that this will work the same on an N770?

Hal
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Re: [Fwd: Re: Fwd: Skype on N800]

[Acadia Secure Networks]

Denis,

thanks for sharing the post re Skype.

 I have to believe that eBay management will be concerned enough about 
protecting the "reputational equity" that they have built over the years 
with their core business, auction services  by either a) fixing the 
Skype software or at least b) explaining what the software is doing even 
if this turns out to be an innocuous artifact of the way Skype works and 
not some sinister plot for global domination by ebay or anyone else. 

Then too "security through obscurity" is not a very strong security 
model, so perhaps ebay will eventually find a way to open up its source 
code and find some other way to protect its intellectual property in the 
Skype service for which it paid a tidy sum.

One way to keep Skype and its firewall evading ways off of the 
enterprise Microsoft desktop is to use  a software restriction policy 
(hash rule) built into the Microsoft Windows Active Directory/Group 
Policy Architecture.

Best Regards,

 

John Holmblad

 

Acadia Secure Networks


DZ wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Have anybody tried to compile Wengo Phone for N800?
>
> Skype is very contradictive to linux tablet spirit
> - this software uses proprietary closed and encrypted protocol (closed  
> also means weak);
> - written using obfuscation in software (decryption and checks also uses  
> additional n800 power and resources)  
> http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.pdf  
> (http://www.xakep.ru/post/38543/default.asp);
> - according to latest reports reads sensitive user information and nobody  
> knows why (because software is closed source and obfuscated) and how it  
> can be used by crackers  
> (http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/26/1312256&from=rss).
>
> So, Wengo is viable alternative to the Skype.
>
> Thanks,
> Denis
>
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:24:45 +0400, Alan Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Sorry replied to the individual not the list -- man do i hate that
>> "feature" of the list (and yes for the record, i completely disagree
>> with every point made by that link that attempts to justify it) :)
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
>> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:23:31 +0100
>> From: Alan Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Organization: Blog-City Ltd
>> To: James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> 
>>> The last point above has value in light of a recent development.  I  
>>> could
>>> point to 2 things 1.  the shear hype surround the iPhone.  and second  
>>> the
>>> expert surfing done by the RAZR team managing to release a new "color"  
>>> or
>>> other change every time  sales began to slow.
>>>   
>> I agree -- the hype around the iPhone has been interesting to watch.
>> Especially as they address the awful onscreen keyboard usage which seems
>> to be getting people in a bit of a tizz.
>>
>> If you look at the video on the Apple site; they have everything the
>> N800 has, except for one rather cool little feature.  But that is
>> something i am sure nokia could easily add in with a next release
>> (predicts which key you are going to press next and makes that box  
>> bigger).
>>
>> Nokia -- get thy head out of the sand and take a leaf out of that Jobs
>> boy book -- either start hyping up your cool stuff, or give US THE TOOLS
>> and we'll do it for you!
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   

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Re: N770 Mysteriously Became a Brick

[DrFredC.com]

Hal Vaughan wrote:

  On Wednesday 29 August 2007, DrFredC.com wrote:

  
  
>From what I understand, the WSOD is a permanent condition and there


  is no recovery other than through repair work or warranty
replacement.  K
  

First try taking out the battery and reinstalling it.  While doing
this, check to make sure the memory card is properly installed.

Also, its potentially possible that there could be something that
corrupted your internal memory card's virtual memory space, in which
case formatting the card on another machine might be appropriate.  If
you've got a backup and other valuable files on the card, move it off
the card before formatting.

Last resort, you might try downloading the lastest version of the OS
from Nokia to another computer and reinstall it to your N800.

  
  
Am I right that this will work the same on an N770?
  

Presumably it will work on a N770.  Plus it couldn't hurt if it's really dead, plus it does't take much time to do. 

Also, if it's a brick in need of repair, you've typically got to send it back bare bones (no cards), so making a backup of the card on a computer is a good idea anyway in case you misplace the card during it's trip to be serviced.  The little buggers seem to have legs around our house.  

-- 

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Re: [Fwd: Re: Fwd: Skype on N800]

[DZ]

Thanks for information! This is very interesting and useful.

BTW, I don't want to consider Skype wants to extract some sensitive  
information for malicious purposes but its obfuscated & closed code and  
protocol decrease trust to it down to zero level :-)

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:42:23 +0400, Ryan Pavlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The RTCOMM software in development adds SIP support to the built-in  
> software set, and so can be used as a skype replacement.  GizmoProject  
> has also been used as a closed-source but open-protocol voice client.
>
> (See planet.gnome.org for information on why that slashdot article is  
> probably overblown, btw)
>
> Ryan
>
> DZ wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Have anybody tried to compile Wengo Phone for N800?
>>
>> Skype is very contradictive to linux tablet spirit
>> - this software uses proprietary closed and encrypted protocol (closed   
>> also means weak);
>> - written using obfuscation in software (decryption and checks also  
>> uses  additional n800 power and resources)   
>> http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.pdf   
>> (http://www.xakep.ru/post/38543/default.asp);
>> - according to latest reports reads sensitive user information and  
>> nobody  knows why (because software is closed source and obfuscated)  
>> and how it  can be used by crackers   
>> (http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/26/1312256&from=rss).
>>
>> So, Wengo is viable alternative to the Skype.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Denis
>>
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:24:45 +0400, Alan Williamson  
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Sorry replied to the individual not the list -- man do i hate that
>>> "feature" of the list (and yes for the record, i completely disagree
>>> with every point made by that link that attempts to justify it) :)
>>>
>>>  Original Message 
>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
>>> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:23:31 +0100
>>> From: Alan Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Organization: Blog-City Ltd
>>> To: James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>
 The last point above has value in light of a recent development.  I   
 could
 point to 2 things 1.  the shear hype surround the iPhone.  and  
 second  the
 expert surfing done by the RAZR team managing to release a new  
 "color"  or
 other change every time  sales began to slow.

>>> I agree -- the hype around the iPhone has been interesting to watch.
>>> Especially as they address the awful onscreen keyboard usage which  
>>> seems
>>> to be getting people in a bit of a tizz.
>>>
>>> If you look at the video on the Apple site; they have everything the
>>> N800 has, except for one rather cool little feature.  But that is
>>> something i am sure nokia could easily add in with a next release
>>> (predicts which key you are going to press next and makes that box   
>>> bigger).
>>>
>>> Nokia -- get thy head out of the sand and take a leaf out of that Jobs
>>> boy book -- either start hyping up your cool stuff, or give US THE  
>>> TOOLS
>>> and we'll do it for you!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



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