Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 07:46 -0700, ext John Rudd wrote: > On problem with your theory. > > I never performed steps 5b nor 6, yet I have never seen the "Advanced" menu. In theory (and we are talking now about computer theory) ;) all the N800s out there are just same after a clean reflash. If you break this theory, congratulations. ;) The only point I wanted to stress is that last week release included only a Kernel fix and no other improvements (i.e. in the browser). -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
On Tuesday 09 October 2007 01:32:01 Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: > Il 5-10-2007 19:25, "Steve Yelvington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > > I thought the browser tab thing was an urban legend, but it turns out > > they're there, and probably agnostic to the HTML engine. > > > > Last item in the dropdown menu is "Advanced,"where you choose the > > browser engine, and among its (new?) entries is "View" with options for > > tab, box and window. However, in tab mode the tabs are placed on the > > left side of the screen, eating valuable layout space. > > > > There also is a "policy" choice that lets you control Javascript for > > Google separately from the global settings. > > OOPS I've replied only to Steve Yelvington, here's it again: > > I confirm this, but I think that this menu was not intented to be > "released" to the users. I believe it's an internal/testing menu entry > that, somehow, appears when you flash the new firmware (probably if, in the > process, you also restore the settings/data from a previous backup). > > In fact, the Tabs are, as you also noticed, very poorly implemented. Same > for the remaining "views". I agree on your analysis however even though they weren't pretty they were so freaking useful it wasn't funny. I rue the day I lost mine for sure. My mission it seems to to figure out how to get them back ;) James -- READ CAREFULLY. By [accepting this material|accepting this payment|accepting this business-card|viewing this t-shirt|reading this sticker] you agree, on behalf of your employer, to release me from all obligations and waivers arising from any and all NON-NEGOTIATED agreements, licenses, terms-of-service, shrinkwrap, clickwrap, browsewrap, confidentiality, non-disclosure, non-compete and acceptable use policies (”BOGUS AGREEMENTS”) that I have entered into with your employer, its partners, licensors, agents and assigns, in perpetuity, without prejudice to my ongoing rights and privileges. You further represent that you have the authority to release me from any BOGUS AGREEMENTS on behalf of your employer. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: > A tabbed browser would probably make many people happy, but I don't really > see the advantage over the current implementation (i.e. Having a new window > open for a new link). Perhaps one could see a use for the box view to > compare two rendered sites in one shot (might be useful for web sites > makers.) > I like how Firefox (on desktop) allows me to "background load" a page by opening a link in a new tab which doesn't automatically take focus. Being able to open a new page in the background (in a tab or not) on Micro-B would make me very happy - some pages take quite a while to load, and it would be nice if I could continue reading the current web page while a linked page is loaded in the background. Currently, the new window opens and steals focus, the device almost grinds to a halt as it renders/composites the new page and I have to wait before I can return to the original page and continue reading (most times though I can return before the new page has finished loading, but it's an annoying struggle and often takes several seconds or longer). I'd also like to see tabs on Micro-B (or the EAL) in future, I thought tabs worked just fine in Minimo and believe tab support should be added, but left as an option for the user. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
usb host mode (usb battery)
I want to use USB host mode on my 770 and am looking for a portable 5V power source. Right now I'm not sure if I want to build one my self with a 9V battery and regulator or buy something. Any experience with the "Swiss Gear Portable Battery Charger for iPod"? http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=GA-6227-15F00&cat=MP3 or similar? -William ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Python - a success story
Got it in my head today that I wanted to download some of my tracks from eMusic (http://emusic.com) to my 770. I had used the dromanova python script on my laptop to get the files before, so I thought I'd try the same on my tablet. A quick install of pymaemo 2.5 and modifying the path on dromanova.py to go to my MMC rather than $HOME, was all it took to get some new DRM-free tracks to my tablet. thanks again to this great community of developers (including the domanova author) for all their work to make something not officially supported "just that easy". K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
John Rudd wrote: > Quim Gil wrote: >> Alright, we found the answer. >> >> On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 11:08 +0200, ext Luca Olivetti wrote: >>> En/na Aniello Del Sorbo ha escrit: >>> I confirm this, but I think that this menu was not intented to be "released" to the users. >>> The fact is, there *is* something more than the updated kernel. >> No. Last week release has only a kernel patch to the MMC driver, as said >> repeated times. >> >> What happens is: >> >> 1. User has 4.2007.26-8 aka Flash9 browser plugin. >> >> 2. User installs Mozilla based browser under development. >> >> 3. User makes backup of everything. >> >> 4a User reflash with 4.2007.38-2 aka SDHC fix >> >> 4b (Surely reflashing with 4.2007.26-8 makes no difference, it's just >> that apparently nobody did and noticed before) >> >> 5a If user goes to browser sees the regular Opera browser >> >> 5b If user brings back previous preferences via backup then the Advanced >> option (previously hidden) appears. >> >> 6. Installing again the Mozilla based engine again restores normality, >> no Advanced options are visible. >> >> >> And what about these Advanced UI options? We were experimenting with >> them by the time we made the 4.2007.26-8 release. We don't have plans to >> offer them in future releases. >> > > > On problem with your theory. > > I never performed steps 5b nor 6, yet I have never seen the "Advanced" menu. Someone else pointed out that I had misread 5b. I read the last line as "disappears". By not performing 5b, the theory predicts that I never saw the advanced menu. So my experience conforms to the theory. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
Quim Gil wrote: > Alright, we found the answer. > > On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 11:08 +0200, ext Luca Olivetti wrote: >> En/na Aniello Del Sorbo ha escrit: >> >>> I confirm this, but I think that this menu was not intented to be "released" >>> to the users. >> The fact is, there *is* something more than the updated kernel. > > No. Last week release has only a kernel patch to the MMC driver, as said > repeated times. > > What happens is: > > 1. User has 4.2007.26-8 aka Flash9 browser plugin. > > 2. User installs Mozilla based browser under development. > > 3. User makes backup of everything. > > 4a User reflash with 4.2007.38-2 aka SDHC fix > > 4b (Surely reflashing with 4.2007.26-8 makes no difference, it's just > that apparently nobody did and noticed before) > > 5a If user goes to browser sees the regular Opera browser > > 5b If user brings back previous preferences via backup then the Advanced > option (previously hidden) appears. > > 6. Installing again the Mozilla based engine again restores normality, > no Advanced options are visible. > > > And what about these Advanced UI options? We were experimenting with > them by the time we made the 4.2007.26-8 release. We don't have plans to > offer them in future releases. > On problem with your theory. I never performed steps 5b nor 6, yet I have never seen the "Advanced" menu. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
On 10/09/2007 00:08, Luca Olivetti wrote: > En/na Quim Gil ha escrit: > >>> Yes, I lost the option after installing microb, and according to > >>> internettsalettalk forums I'm not the only one. Now, if is there a way > >>> to get it back I'd be glad to try ;-) > > > > Sorry, I miss these threads. URL? > > http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=79116#post79116 > > > The fact is that last week release includes just a patch in the kernel > > for the MMC driver, nothing else. > > Well, it's not only hearsay, I saw the "advanced" menu with my own eyes, > but I lost it as soon as I managed to install microb (in fact I noticed > the advanced menu only because, due to the broken maemo extras > repository, I couldn't install microb right away after reflashing). > > Bye I too saw the advanced menu on the browser until installing the microb, then when I wanted the new options back and uninstalled microb the advanced menu was still gone. On the advanced menu. Logging, Tab, Box, Win view, Fine cookie control.. Someone from nokia please help me and others get this menu back. tim ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
Again I've replied only to the sender, here my mail again: On 9-10-2007 13:03, "Quim Gil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alright, we found the answer. ... Yeah that was what I was thinking about too. > And what about these Advanced UI options? We were experimenting with > them by the time we made the 4.2007.26-8 release. We don't have plans to > offer them in future releases. A tabbed browser would probably make many people happy, but I don't really see the advantage over the current implementation (i.e. Having a new window open for a new link). Perhaps one could see a use for the box view to compare two rendered sites in one shot (might be useful for web sites makers.) But limiting the Java Script on a per window basis would be very a nice addition. We could have Gmail javascript fully working while limiting javascript execution on other windows. -- Anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
Alright, we found the answer. On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 11:08 +0200, ext Luca Olivetti wrote: > En/na Aniello Del Sorbo ha escrit: > > > I confirm this, but I think that this menu was not intented to be "released" > > to the users. > > The fact is, there *is* something more than the updated kernel. No. Last week release has only a kernel patch to the MMC driver, as said repeated times. What happens is: 1. User has 4.2007.26-8 aka Flash9 browser plugin. 2. User installs Mozilla based browser under development. 3. User makes backup of everything. 4a User reflash with 4.2007.38-2 aka SDHC fix 4b (Surely reflashing with 4.2007.26-8 makes no difference, it's just that apparently nobody did and noticed before) 5a If user goes to browser sees the regular Opera browser 5b If user brings back previous preferences via backup then the Advanced option (previously hidden) appears. 6. Installing again the Mozilla based engine again restores normality, no Advanced options are visible. And what about these Advanced UI options? We were experimenting with them by the time we made the 4.2007.26-8 release. We don't have plans to offer them in future releases. -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
Il 9-10-2007 11:08, "Luca Olivetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > En/na Aniello Del Sorbo ha escrit: > >> I confirm this, but I think that this menu was not intented to be "released" >> to the users. > > The fact is, there *is* something more than the updated kernel. Well, I think it was there, it's just that this update reveals it ? Some weird combination related to restoring a backup ? >From the diff made on the ITT forum looks like nothing related to UI was changed (if I remind well). -- Anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
En/na Aniello Del Sorbo ha escrit: > I confirm this, but I think that this menu was not intented to be "released" > to the users. The fact is, there *is* something more than the updated kernel. Bye -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
Il 5-10-2007 19:25, "Steve Yelvington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > I thought the browser tab thing was an urban legend, but it turns out > they're there, and probably agnostic to the HTML engine. > > Last item in the dropdown menu is "Advanced,"where you choose the > browser engine, and among its (new?) entries is "View" with options for > tab, box and window. However, in tab mode the tabs are placed on the > left side of the screen, eating valuable layout space. > > There also is a "policy" choice that lets you control Javascript for > Google separately from the global settings. > OOPS I've replied only to Steve Yelvington, here's it again: I confirm this, but I think that this menu was not intented to be "released" to the users. I believe it's an internal/testing menu entry that, somehow, appears when you flash the new firmware (probably if, in the process, you also restore the settings/data from a previous backup). In fact, the Tabs are, as you also noticed, very poorly implemented. Same for the remaining "views". -- Anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
Il 9-10-2007 9:08, "Luca Olivetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > En/na Quim Gil ha escrit: Yes, I lost the option after installing microb, and according to internettsalettalk forums I'm not the only one. Now, if is there a way to get it back I'd be glad to try ;-) >> >> Sorry, I miss these threads. URL? > > http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=79116#post79116 > >> The fact is that last week release includes just a patch in the kernel >> for the MMC driver, nothing else. > > Well, it's not only hearsay, I saw the "advanced" menu with my own eyes, > but I lost it as soon as I managed to install microb (in fact I noticed > the advanced menu only because, due to the broken maemo extras > repository, I couldn't install microb right away after reflashing). > I was one of the first to notice the Advanced menu (and I still have it) when I flashed the N800 with the latest firmware. It disappeared as soon as one installs the MicroB browser. There are, however, reproducible steps to get it back (at least they worked for me). What I did before re-flashing the new firmware: 1) backup of everything with the internal Backup/Restore utility 2) flash 3) as soon as it noticed the backup, I've restored it. That's it. When it completed the first boot I had the "Advanced" menu entry in my browser. You can have more info in the ITT forum at the link that Luca already provided to you. -- Anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
En/na Quim Gil ha escrit: >>> Yes, I lost the option after installing microb, and according to >>> internettsalettalk forums I'm not the only one. Now, if is there a way >>> to get it back I'd be glad to try ;-) > > Sorry, I miss these threads. URL? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=79116#post79116 > The fact is that last week release includes just a patch in the kernel > for the MMC driver, nothing else. Well, it's not only hearsay, I saw the "advanced" menu with my own eyes, but I lost it as soon as I managed to install microb (in fact I noticed the advanced menu only because, due to the broken maemo extras repository, I couldn't install microb right away after reflashing). Bye -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
