Re: a crank charger is dangerous for 770?

[Brad Midgley]

hey

> I've got the sidewinder crank charger (~$30). I've seen a generic
> model that looks very similar to the "branded" sidewinder for less
> (~$10). Apparently the cheaper no-name version does not have a voltage
> regulator on the output

I finally got around to putting a voltmeter on this sidewinder thing
and it does *not* have a regulated output (sadly)

Brad
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Re: Installing apps when there's no installer

[James Sparenberg]

On Friday 26 October 2007 17:37:24 James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Friday 26 October 2007 17:12:26 Peter Flynn wrote:
> > Thanks Jonathan and James for pointing out Application manager to do
> > this (far too easy for my tortured mind :-)
> >
> > It's always surprising and pleased to find that someone has taken the
> > trouble to include this kind of functionality in an application.
> >
> > Any thoughts on how to force a large .deb to use a different directory
> > for installing its files? I don't want to start installing it only to
> > find it doesn't allow the install directory to be changed, and then just
> > goes ahead and hangs the system because it's used up all available disk
> > space in /
> >
> > ///Peter
>
> No easy method no.  On the other hand one of the first things a deb
> installer does is check to see if it can install.  (meaning it has enough
> space) and then bomb out if it doesn't.
>
> I might be possible to unpack the deb and do some hand manipulation (also
> involves a chicken bone and eye of newt at midnight.)  but no easy way I
> know of.  Problem here is that the creators of deb/rpm/etc haved
> intentionally pushed this function to the side to maintain ease of use for
> the greatest number of users.  Those of us who dare try the chicken bone
> ritual are on our own.
>
> oh and you can't execute a binary from the mmc cards by default either. 
> File system mount thing.
>
> James
>
That should have been "No easy method I know of, no" sorry forget to typ ALL 
the words.

James
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Re: Installing apps when there's no installer

[James Sparenberg]

On Friday 26 October 2007 17:12:26 Peter Flynn wrote:
> Thanks Jonathan and James for pointing out Application manager to do
> this (far too easy for my tortured mind :-)
>
> It's always surprising and pleased to find that someone has taken the
> trouble to include this kind of functionality in an application.
>
> Any thoughts on how to force a large .deb to use a different directory
> for installing its files? I don't want to start installing it only to
> find it doesn't allow the install directory to be changed, and then just
> goes ahead and hangs the system because it's used up all available disk
> space in /
>
> ///Peter

No easy method no.  On the other hand one of the first things a deb installer 
does is check to see if it can install.  (meaning it has enough space) and 
then bomb out if it doesn't. 

I might be possible to unpack the deb and do some hand manipulation (also 
involves a chicken bone and eye of newt at midnight.)  but no easy way I know 
of.  Problem here is that the creators of deb/rpm/etc haved intentionally 
pushed this function to the side to maintain ease of use for the greatest 
number of users.  Those of us who dare try the chicken bone ritual are on our 
own. 

oh and you can't execute a binary from the mmc cards by default either.  File 
system mount thing.

James
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Re: Installing apps when there's no installer

[Peter Flynn]

Thanks Jonathan and James for pointing out Application manager to do 
this (far too easy for my tortured mind :-)

It's always surprising and pleased to find that someone has taken the 
trouble to include this kind of functionality in an application.

Any thoughts on how to force a large .deb to use a different directory 
for installing its files? I don't want to start installing it only to 
find it doesn't allow the install directory to be changed, and then just 
goes ahead and hangs the system because it's used up all available disk 
space in /

///Peter
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Re: Installing apps when there's no installer

[James Sparenberg]

On Friday 26 October 2007 15:39:40 Peter Flynn wrote:
> A large number of the apps listed at http://maemo.org/downloads have a
> greyed out button labelled "missing install". The link to these apps'
> homepages eventually takes you to the downloads, including a .deb, but
> I'm not an apt-get expert: how do I make it install from a .deb that
> I've already downloaded, without using a repository? The apt-get man
> page is silent on this.
>
> For very large apps, eg MaemoTeX, I will want to ensure that it goes
> onto my external SD card (rather than wherever it thinks it ought to
> go), and then soft-link the binaries to /usr/local/bin. Is there a way
> to override the default install paths, or will I need to unzip the .deb
> and do it manually?
>
> ///Peter
>
Peter, open your Application manager then click on the words "Application 
Manager" at the top of the screen, or press the "menu" key on the IT. This 
willl open a menu where you click "Application" and "Install from file" This 
will allow you to navigate to where you saved the .deb and install it.

James
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Installing apps when there's no installer

[Peter Flynn]

A large number of the apps listed at http://maemo.org/downloads have a 
greyed out button labelled "missing install". The link to these apps' 
homepages eventually takes you to the downloads, including a .deb, but 
I'm not an apt-get expert: how do I make it install from a .deb that 
I've already downloaded, without using a repository? The apt-get man 
page is silent on this.

For very large apps, eg MaemoTeX, I will want to ensure that it goes 
onto my external SD card (rather than wherever it thinks it ought to 
go), and then soft-link the binaries to /usr/local/bin. Is there a way 
to override the default install paths, or will I need to unzip the .deb 
and do it manually?

///Peter

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Re: Brick after battery dying?

[Andy Mulhearn]

On 26 Oct 2007, at 19:51, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote:


I'm not really sure what I'd done before the backup, but I'm 99%
certain I had installed osso-xterm before I ran the backup since that
was about the first thing I did when I got it and it was gone after
reflash and restore.


Backup's only a backup for your settings. Unfortunately you have to  
reinstall all of your apps.


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Re: Brick after battery dying?

[Jonathan D. Proulx]

I did remove the mmc's didn't help.

I did reflash which did help.  The restore from the Nokia
Backup/Restore program backup didn't seem to restore any of the
applications I had installed, is this the expected behavior, is there
a better method to backup?

I'm not really sure what I'd done before the backup, but I'm 99%
certain I had installed osso-xterm before I ran the backup since that
was about the first thing I did when I got it and it was gone after
reflash and restore.

It is working again which is good.

Thanks,
-Jon

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Re: Brick after battery dying?

[DrFredC.com]

It's possible that you've got some corrupted memory of some sort, 
perhaps/possibly due to an attempt to write to memory while the battery 
was running out of power or interrupted for some reason?

Start with the external chips -- Try removing your memory chips and 
rebooting. If this works, then you might have a corrupt external chip, 
which may require formating if you can't read them. See if you can read 
the chips in another computer.  You may or may not be able to salvage 
some info if this is the problem.  There are apparently some problems 
with some chips and previous versions of the OS corrupting chips...

If this doesn't work, you might have a corrupted internal memory.  
Flashing the lastest OS update MIGHT (or might not) work.  If you 
haven't done a recent backup, you might have a bit of work reinstalling 
everything.

There's instructions on how to do get the latest update at 
http://europe.nokia.com/A4305006

At least it's worth a try.

Jonathan D. Proulx wrote:
> Thanks all, I seem to be getting further.
>
> Now I got a blue progress bar that progressively filled up and a Nokia
> logo (text not hands).  It goes no further (after >10min), and doesn't
> want to power off via the power button, though the back light does
> time out and come back in resonse to the touch screen. I'll likely
> reflash with RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.26-8_PR_MR0 next.
>
> I'd tried taking the battery out before but apparently not for long
> enough, that seemed to get me part way, far enough atleast for the
> flasher to set r&d mode.
>
> after setting r&d mode is when the progress bar came up. it also
> showed I'm running HW build 1301 with nolo 1.1.6 and initfs version
> osso-rx-34 2007-24 1, but it didn't actually boot to an OS.
>
> I did install UIA and related packages from ccrl
>
> I'll look up the accesspoint stuff, mine is an old enterasys box.
>
> The charger and battery seem good, when it's in use for hours it seems
> to drain at a reasonable rate and fill at a reasonable rate when
> charging.  Though it's died both nights I left it on over night, last
> time it came back when charged though.
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Re: Brick after battery dying?

[Jonathan D. Proulx]

Thanks all, I seem to be getting further.

Now I got a blue progress bar that progressively filled up and a Nokia
logo (text not hands).  It goes no further (after >10min), and doesn't
want to power off via the power button, though the back light does
time out and come back in resonse to the touch screen. I'll likely
reflash with RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.26-8_PR_MR0 next.

I'd tried taking the battery out before but apparently not for long
enough, that seemed to get me part way, far enough atleast for the
flasher to set r&d mode.

after setting r&d mode is when the progress bar came up. it also
showed I'm running HW build 1301 with nolo 1.1.6 and initfs version
osso-rx-34 2007-24 1, but it didn't actually boot to an OS.

I did install UIA and related packages from ccrl

I'll look up the accesspoint stuff, mine is an old enterasys box.

The charger and battery seem good, when it's in use for hours it seems
to drain at a reasonable rate and fill at a reasonable rate when
charging.  Though it's died both nights I left it on over night, last
time it came back when charged though.
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Re: Brick after battery dying?

[James Knott]

Jonathan D. Proulx wrote:
> I must say I'm not exactly loving my n800...
>
> Battery died while in sleep mode over night (sayd it had days of idle
> time available but I guess waking up every 10min to scan for wireless
> killed it).  This morning after hours of charging and while plugged in
> it will not power up.  The back light comes onand the screen goes
> white, once I even got a Nokia logo, then it dies.
>
> I did find some references to this happening on line and the answer
> seems to be to reflash from linux, is that really the only answer?
> I've only had the thing 5 days, I can do this if I must but I'd really
> rather not.  It also is a bit puzzling from a commercial device, I
> haven't even done anything weird to it yet...
>
> Is reflashing the only answer?
>   

I had something similar a while ago.  Try pulling the battery and 
reinstalling it.


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Re: Brick after battery dying?

[Igor Stoppa]

Hi,
On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 18:46 +0300, ext Eero Tamminen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> ext Jonathan D. Proulx wrote:
> > I must say I'm not exactly loving my n800...
> > 
> > Battery died while in sleep mode over night (sayd it had days of idle
> > time available but I guess waking up every 10min to scan for wireless
> > killed it).  

Even with wlan enabled it should last something like 3-4 days, iirc.
You should check your access point against those that are blacklisted.
You can search for mails from Kalle Valo in the archive.

> This morning after hours of charging and while plugged in
> > it will not power up.  The back light comes onand the screen goes
> > white, once I even got a Nokia logo, then it dies.

Does it turn on when you plug in the charger? (I assume that the charger
itself is already connected to the wall socket).

If it doesn't, then your battery is not charging. I don't know if it is
a problem in the device or in the charger, though. That would also
explain why it dies, the battery is flat.



-- 
Cheers, Igor

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(Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland)
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Re: Brick after battery dying?

[Eero Tamminen]

Hi,

ext Jonathan D. Proulx wrote:
> I must say I'm not exactly loving my n800...
> 
> Battery died while in sleep mode over night (sayd it had days of idle
> time available but I guess waking up every 10min to scan for wireless
> killed it).  This morning after hours of charging and while plugged in
> it will not power up.  The back light comes onand the screen goes
> white, once I even got a Nokia logo, then it dies.

Does this happen about 6 secs after the device boots?


> I did find some references to this happening on line and the answer
> seems to be to reflash from linux, is that really the only answer?
> I've only had the thing 5 days, I can do this if I must but I'd really
> rather not.

Which software release you have?  Have you installed some extra
software to the device?

If you have the very first SW release in your device (Chinook which
comes out soon, is fourth SW release for N800), I think that was the one
with the DSME + RSS applet bugs which were fixed a long time ago.

The issue was following:

RSS applet caused the device Home application to crash when loading
certain kind of RSS feed content from the network (by default the applet
refreshes the feeds automatically from network) which causes device
reboot.  On next boot RSS applet reads the content from the cache which
causes a reboot loop.

(in newer releases Home is restarted without applets after crash,
i.e. there's no need for reboot and applet related reboot-loops cannot
happen.)

Then there was a bug that if device crashed enough times in a row,
it never came up until it was reflashed.  You can test whether it's
this bug by setting the device into R&D mode with the (Linux)
flasher program, it should then boot (further).  If you had the RSS
applet issue, this doesn't get the device further up though, so only
way to fix this is reflashing the device.  The newer releases have
many other improvements (Skype support, Flash 9 etc).


- Eero
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Re: Brick after battery dying?

[ktneely]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 11:24:15AM -0400, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote:
> I did find some references to this happening on line and the answer
> seems to be to reflash from linux, is that really the only answer?

Have you tried removing the battery for about a minute and then replacing?

K

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Brick after battery dying?

[Jonathan D. Proulx]

I must say I'm not exactly loving my n800...

Battery died while in sleep mode over night (sayd it had days of idle
time available but I guess waking up every 10min to scan for wireless
killed it).  This morning after hours of charging and while plugged in
it will not power up.  The back light comes onand the screen goes
white, once I even got a Nokia logo, then it dies.

I did find some references to this happening on line and the answer
seems to be to reflash from linux, is that really the only answer?
I've only had the thing 5 days, I can do this if I must but I'd really
rather not.  It also is a bit puzzling from a commercial device, I
haven't even done anything weird to it yet...

Is reflashing the only answer?

-Jon

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Re: Unable to view https sites

[ktneely]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 10:22:01AM +0300, Kalle Valo wrote:
> > I know this was mentioned a couple weeks ago. IIRC, the solution was
> > to restart the device and not visit garage.maemo. In my situation,

> First check that date and time are correct. Then tell us what kind of

This was it!  The time was correct, but the date was about 2 months off 
somehow.  I'd just never noticed.  Changed the date and it immediately started 
working, thanks!

[Quim Gil wrote:  "Interesting 'solution'" in a previous response]

At least I think that's what someone said in a previous post.  It did not solve 
my problem.  Perhaps they had the same date issue but in their case, restarting 
fixed it.  I don't know.

thanks for all the help!
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Re: Unable to view https sites

[Zoran Kolic]

> I know this was mentioned a couple weeks ago.  IIRC, the solution was to 
> restart the device and not visit garage.maemo.  In my situation, I am having 
> a problem visiting /any/ SSL-enabled site, no matter whether I go to garage 
> or not.  
> I am running  2006.39.14

Also 3.2006.49-2 has ssl libs, that cannot verify connection to
secure server. Try using this:
  openssl s_client -connect pop3.myisp.net:995
Openssl in repository looks different for n800, so I believe it
should be better for that device. Or not?

  Zoran

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Re: Can't boot from MMC Card, how to solve this problem?

[Frantisek Dufka]

Tilman Vogel wrote:
> Also, due to , I would
> highly recommend not to use any WLAN at all while doing this. Close the
> connection and make sure it hasn't been scanning for networks during the
> last few minutes.

Yes this was added to 
http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card few days 
ago :-)

"However for Nokia 770 it is recommended to disconnect wifi when running 
the tar cloning phase due to memory corruption bug."

Frantisek
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Re: Can't boot from MMC Card, how to solve this problem?

[Tilman Vogel]

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Also, due to , I would
highly recommend not to use any WLAN at all while doing this. Close the
connection and make sure it hasn't been scanning for networks during the
last few minutes.

(Especially one shouldn't clone the rootfs via WLAN/ssh if one hasn't
installed the workarounds mentioned in the bug report.)

Regards,

Tilman

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Re: WPA difficulties

[Peter Flynn]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:33:17 -0700, Fred Chittenden wrote
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:46:30 +0100
> Peter Flynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Pretty much everything is working on my N800, including all my WEP 
> > connections. WPA, however, is not.
> > 
> > The campus LAN uses a hidden SSID and requires my MAC address and 
> > provides a username and password. This works fine in WPA Enterprise 
> > using Network-Manager on my Ubuntu Gutsy laptop:
> 
> Try asking one of the geeks in your campus computer center out to lunch
> and show them your problem.  They may have a workaround.  

Unfortunately that's pretty much what I already did, and the comment was that
what Nokia has shipped is broken in respect of these settings.

///Peter

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Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support

[Quim Gil]

Hi, mixing quotes (sorry).

Yesterday I moved this debate to maemo-developers since the current
topic about repositores and policies affects developers only. See

Bugs at maemo for extras apps (was Re: Steve's Ranty Review...)
http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-October/012239.html 

It's difficult to follow efficiently both lists looking for topics
relating to developers (specially if the threads in maemo-users end up
discussing topics different than the subject). 


> Then these issues need to be fixed. Failing to centralise the  
> available packages negates a potential massive advantage (for users, 

Repositories mess: conclusions and actions
http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-October/012192.html



> Personally, I'd urge Nokia to find someone (who understands the  
> issues of e.g. library packaging) to have a thorough read of Debian  
> policy and come up with a maemo policy at least partly based on it -  
> this will be necessary to ensure that everything in the repository or  
> repositories will "play friendly" and DTRT.

Do you know we have Debian maintainers (and I would say experts) in our
team. btw a maemo packaging policy is underways, we are still polishing
details before share it for community review.

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Re: Can't boot from MMC Card, how to solve this problem?

[Frantisek Dufka]

Mike Yue wrote:
> I used the last time downloaded initfs_flasher, and re-created the deal 
> boot menu.

There is no need to do it again. It is not related to the card you want 
to boot from.

>(It was too sad that this time the backed up boot image 
> overrided the last time backup image, so I lost the original 
> non-bootmenu boot image.)

Yon could just answer no to the backup question if you already had 
backup :-)


> The bad thing happened at the last step: It took about 15 minutes, then 
> the xterm exited without any notice! No reboot, no error, just show the 
> default desktop. 

Yes, that's the problem. Nokia 770 is not the most stable device in the 
world. Just try again starting with formatting already partitioned card

# mke2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2

and then

# mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /opt
# mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4 /floppy
...


> I did the last two steps to reboot:
> # chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2

Again, no need to do again if you did it once. It is not related to 
specific card.

> The boot menu was there, but when I choosed to boot from the MMC ext2 
> 770 just said that the boot failed and will boot from internal flash 
> memory, then booted up the OS. Nothing wrong there just not from MMC card.

If it said that boot failed then even /sbin/init is not found on the 
card. Definitely incomplete copy.

> 
> I repeated the full steps at least two again as the manual says, still 
> crashed at the targnu step(I sure closed all other apps and WiFi), and 
> not bootable MMC card.
> 
> Did anyone encounter this problem before? I really appreciate if someone 
> help me working out this trouble.

Yes, there are many post about this specific problem in 
http://www.internettablettalk.com/ forum. There is no definite solution. 
It simply should not crash in the first place. If terminal crashes in 
the middle of copy it makes no sense to try to boot such partly copied 
system. Just try again.

What you can try:
- enable swap on FAT partition before running tar, this may help a lot. 
You may even try to play with swappiness, search internettablettalk 
forum for swappiness or seatbelt
- after it fails, reopen terminal again and run 'dmesg' command - if you 
see I/O errors there is some problem with the card. If you see out of 
memory messages than it makes sense to try again (without rebooting, 
just unmounting the card 'umount /floppy' and starting at mke2fs step again.
- if you are adventurous and have the right card you may try to flash 
kernel with multiblock writing and higher mmc speed.
http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#mmcplus
This will shorten the copy time (like 10 times) and is a good test of 
such kernel and your card. It may also help with the out of memory 
situation since the faster writing will not fill memory so fast with not 
yet written blocks. Before trying this make sure you know how to put 
original kernel back or you are comfortable with the idea of reflashing 
whole device.

Also you could boot to bootmenu usb network recovery mode and do the 
cloning from there (since you have whole memory free at that time) but 
this is quite advanced topic and there is no guide.

Frantisek

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Re: Unable to view https sites

[Kalle Valo]

"ext [EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I know this was mentioned a couple weeks ago. IIRC, the solution was
> to restart the device and not visit garage.maemo. In my situation, I
> am having a problem visiting /any/ SSL-enabled site, no matter
> whether I go to garage or not.
>
> I am running  2006.39.14

First check that date and time are correct. Then tell us what kind of
error message you get and any other details you can think of.

-- 
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Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support

[Kalle Valo]

"ext Marius Gedminas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Just of curiosity, who is issuing the DNS query? The Nintendo Wii
>> device? N800 shouldn't see DNS requests made by other devices. DNS is
>> unicast and N800 shouldn't see unicast packets between AP and other
>> WLAN clients.
>
> Doesn't multicast DNS use the same port and protocol as regular DNS?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf#Apple.27s_protocol:_Multicast_DNS.2FDNS-SD

Good point. If it's MDNS then it's normal. But if it's normal unicast
DNS requests origination from some other device, something is broken.

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Kalle Valo
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