Re: further beating on OS2008 beta
First - well done for making this a standard component. Second - I have not tried it no my N800 yet. Now... Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 01:49 -0800, ext James Sparenberg wrote: Why did they move the button bar to the bottom. Down there is steals valuable screen real-estate from you. It steals screen estate no matter where it is. The bottom-one is (again) consistent with the rest of the device, and it is easier to reach with fingers (remember the N810 has the keyboard so you hold it a bit differently in your hands!) Have to disagree - it is relatively simple to shrink the text and recover horizontal space. Vertical space is in much shorter supply when you need the on-screen keyboard. Adding a toolbar would leave less space (though removing tabs might help with vertical space) You can also hide the whole toolbar if you want. That might be good. Why did they remove the useful tabs and replace it with multiple windows? Given that there is no WM in the traditional sense you can't resize and move between them easily. Tabs afforded the ability to quickly manage multiple term windows (my record on the IT is 10 tabs.) Windows bring this to a grinding halt. Because the platform style is multiple windows. And tabs wasted quite a lot of *terminal window* space. But I find a relatively common use case for terminal involves switching terminals when in fullscreen mode - more so than switching apps. And in full screen mode (maximising terminal space), tabs really help this. I appreciate not everyone does this, but I suspect it's a common pattern ...Also if you have 10 tabs, you cannot see pretty much anything relevant from the tab titles. Sure your case of 10 tabs is a bit special too - maybe you could just use screen instead? Screen is not so good if you need to scroll - and with onscreen keyboard and now the button bar Multiple windows is consistent with the rest of the platform. Command line access is fundamentally different from the rest of the UI. Typical use cases may be different enough to justify such a non-standard components. I also think it makes sense for the same reason the browser does not have tabs: Tabs work a lot better in a large desktop where you can drag windows around and group some of them together. Since everything is fullscreen, tabs would just duplicate the function of the window switcher. You probably won't have *that* many apps open at once in a tablet anyway compared to a desktop computer anyway. Agreed that tabs CAN be a pain. Yes, Pidgin, I'm looking at you. Two lines of chat is really not enough. Must investigate command line options :-) But well done on the new O/S version. I'm looking forward to getting the time to upgrade and try. -- Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WPA-Enterprise (PEAP-MSCAPv2) problem with N810/OS2008
Joshua, Please add your comments/experiences here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1017 Tim --- Weblog ~ http://tim.samoff.com Baby Blog ~ http://kc.samoff.com Photography ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff Film ~ http://www.youtube.com/timsamoff Music ~ http://www.adkoc.com - Original Message - Message: 1 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:15:00 -0800 From: Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: WPA-Enterprise (PEAP-MSCAPv2) problem with N810/OS2008 To: Maemo users maemo-users@maemo.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 (I am reposting this because on reflection, my initial post _was_ a thread-jack, so I am committing the further faux-pas of double posting, but at least under my own banner) Hi all, I am new to the list - just bought an N810 - having fun with it, but am experiencing some frustration with my work network (WPA 1/2 - Cisco WLAN with MS IAS RADIUS backend (PEAP MSCHAPv2)) - I can't connect to the network. I can connect to a guest SSID that is open (same access points broadcast multiple SSIDs), but I really need access to the secured WLAN. I have successfully connected to this same network using wpa_supplicant, so I know it is possible, but wpa_supplicant doesn't seem to (yet?) be available for OS2008 Is this a known bug? Is there any additional information I can provide? I have a fair level of access to the wireless environment so should be able to get good logs (I am in IT and project managed this wireless implementation). So far, all I am seeing on a mac address scan is that my client is seen as 'probing' the network. I should be able to work with the RADIUS admins tomorrow to see if there is anything useful in those logs. WPA-PSK seems to work fine (home network) This network works with winXP, mac OS10.3.4+, and linux wpa_supplicant - I don't think the network is misconfigured. I have connected to the above network using wpa_supplicant with the hostap driver on a 2.26.21-hh18 kernel on a pre-release of Angstrom, so I don't think the kernel is broken (i don't believe any of the hh patches deal with network). Again, this is on a new N810 (OS2008 out-of-the-box) Best Regards and thanks for any tips. joshua -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:50:17 +0100 From: Laurent GUERBY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I have USB host! To: Jesper Cheetah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain I confirm that on my OS2008 N800 (RD mode) just after: # echo host /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode I could get recognized and working without power injector just using an small USB adaptor: - USB keyboard - Corsair flash voyager 1GB USB key (file manager started automatically) - USD LED lamp :) Kingston TravelLite SD/MMC reader didn't work though: rejected because not enough power according to dmesg. Lacie USB 25 external hard drive with power USB on my PC and normal USB on the N800 started the automount process but it was not completed successfully, probably not enough combined juice to power the hard drive. Another great OS2008 news :). Laurent * Corsair USB key logs: [99263.773437] usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using musb_hdrc and address 20 [99263.906250] usb 1-1: default language 0x0409 [99263.906250] usb 1-1: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [99263.906250] usb 1-1: Product: Flash Voyager [99263.906250] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: Corsair [99263.906250] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: A1230282 [99263.906250] usb 1-1: device v090c p1000 is not supported [99263.906250] usb 1-1: uevent [99263.906250] usb 1-1: usb_probe_device [99263.906250] usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [99263.906250] usb 1-1: adding 1-1:1.0 (config #1, interface 0) [99263.906250] usb 1-1:1.0: uevent [99263.906250] usb-storage 1-1:1.0: usb_probe_interface [99263.906250] usb-storage 1-1:1.0: usb_probe_interface - got id [99263.906250] scsi5 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices [99263.906250] drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '020' [99263.906250] hub 1-0:1.0: 100mA power budget left [99263.906250] hub 1-0:1.0: state 7 ports 1 chg evt 0002 [99263.906250] hub 1-0:1.0: port 1 enable change, status 0503 [99263.906250] usb-storage: device found at 20 [99263.906250] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning [99268.906250] scsi 5:0:0:0: Direct-Access Corsair Flash Voyager 1100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS [99268.914062] SCSI device sda: 1981440 512-byte hdwr sectors (1014 MB) [99268.921875] sda: Write Protect is off [99268.921875] sda: Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00 [99268.921875] sda: assuming drive cache: write through [99268.953125] SCSI device sda: 1981440 512-byte hdwr sectors (1014 MB) [99268.960937] sda: Write Protect is off [99268.960937] sda: Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00 [99268.960937] sda: assuming
Re: Relocate n800 Claws Folder?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Actually one good thing about *nix apps is that they are very systematic about that: Most apps store their per user data in configfiles ~/.appnamerc or directories ~/.appname/ where ~ denotes the user's home directory. This is usually hardcoded. If you want to move the directory somewhere else, you can move the file/dir and then use symlinks. mv ~/.appname /some/where/else/ ln -s /some/where/else/.appname ~/ So, when you moved your ~/.claws-mail/ directory last time, you probably did something like that? To check that, do ls -lda ~/.claws-mail If it looks like drwxr-xr-x 10 2 users 4096 2007-10-31 00:43 .claws-mail/ then it's still an ordinary directory in your home dir, if it looks like lrwxrwxrwx 9 root root 16 2007-08-30 17:17 .claws-mail - /some/where/.claws-mail then it's a symlink already. BTW, these dotfiles are usually hidden from the user by ls. To see them, use ls -a. Hope that helps? There are tons of Linux primers out there, here is one of them: http://www.slideshare.net/anandvaidya/linux-introduction-commands Tilman -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUAsL9ZPu6Yae8lkRAqBUAJ4sC7d+v4nQ1jchxcHJNvbHIgbBXACeMkxJ sKktRkF+XP0UEWKpyEtlf/g= =/GeW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: I have USB host!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried my first USB HDD and it wouldn't work. Then I had to slap myself in the head, The IT can't do NTFS or ReiserFS DOH!!! I have enabled some extra filesystem modules including reiserfs and ntfs http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/modules-rx-34-2.6.21.0.tar.gz Also udf and isofs might be handy with CD-ROMs :-) Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: I have USB host!
Paul Klapperich wrote: Please describe this adapter. Or you can use USB cable that comes with your tablet and add something like this http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2646 Works for me. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: I have USB host!
I confirm that on my OS2008 N800 (RD mode) just after: # echo host /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode I could get recognized and working without power injector just using an small USB adaptor: - USB keyboard - Corsair flash voyager 1GB USB key (file manager started automatically) - USD LED lamp :) Kingston TravelLite SD/MMC reader didn't work though: rejected because not enough power according to dmesg. Lacie USB 25 external hard drive with power USB on my PC and normal USB on the N800 started the automount process but it was not completed successfully, probably not enough combined juice to power the hard drive. Another great OS2008 news :). I tried my first USB HDD and it wouldn't work. Then I had to slap myself in the head, The IT can't do NTFS or ReiserFS DOH!!! Found a 10G with ext2 and it worked. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: I have USB host!
I bought it here (in french but there's a picture): http://www.pearl.fr/article-PE3324.html I guess for the N810 I'll need another one. Laurent On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 19:11 -0600, Paul Klapperich wrote: On 11/29/07, Laurent GUERBY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I confirm that on my OS2008 N800 (RD mode) just after: # echo host /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode I could get recognized and working without power injector just using an small USB adaptor: Please describe this adapter. --Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: dual boot with 2007 from device and 2008 from MMC - possible?
Hi, just to confirm what i understood: as long as i re-flash the OS back to flash, the OS2007/2008 on the device will still work (for example, wifi and etc)? do i need to also redo the boot menu part, since i would need to get OS2007 back with MMC boot OS2007... thank you regards, wahlau On 29/11/2007, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 10:29 +0100, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Austin Che wrote: I actually had been looking at back-porting kexec into the 2.6.18 kernel. Might be worth trying too, see below But I just recompiled 2.6.21 with kexec on and patched kexec-tools with arm patches and it does not work for me (the screen just goes blank and eventually the whole device reboots). kexec seems to be really quite simple (code-wise) and so I can't imagine it being that difficult to figure out for someone with a clue about omap. I would expect at least two problems: - passing right data (set of tagged structures) that comes from bootloader to new kernel, these are at specific physical address at boot time of first kernel but I think they get freed and overwritten later. - setting hardware back to some harmless state so new kernel can initialize it again properly. This could be quite tricky for OMAP. Best for this it to kexec new kernel as early as possible before full system boot initializes dsp, audio, wlan, bt, camera ... Maybe even some stub kernel with everything uneeded stripped off could improve chances. As for booting 2.6.18 from 2.6.21 one problem may be advanced frequency and voltage scaling which is not present in 2.6.18. Might be worth trying to force CPU clock to 333 (which will hopefully set also other clocks and paremeters correctly) before kexec-ing older kernel so 2.6.18 won't be surprised too much. The frequency scaling is enabled only after the kernel has booted, the default OP is 330MHz, so that shouldn't come in the way. But I wonder if chrooting wouldn't be better: then one could for example run OS2008 from OneNAND and OS2007 from MMC simultaneously and have only those apps that are not available yet for OS2008 to run in the chrooted environment and access the screen simultaneously through X. This is just a thought I had right now, so I don't know how feasible it would be, but might be simpler to try. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- = : : : --- normal reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] urgent reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- : : : == ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OS2008 on n800 - Nice Job
Also lot of scrolling in launch menu will need getting used to. Is there some secret gconf setting to bring old stylus optimized menu layout with small items back? AFAIK no. The good side is that you can use it with thumb. This was posible in OS2007 too, thumb hit popped up large menu, stylus hit smaller menu which was consistent with behaviour or virtual keyboard. Looks like small menu just silently went away. I will miss that. AFAIK it was not possible to make thumb detection reliable enough. The detection was based on pressure information, but strong press with stylus gives as much pressure as light press with thumb (=larger area) and the touchscreen sensitivity might differ a bit between devices, different parts of the screen and that changes over time too. I don't use OS2008, but I know I'll miss the stylus-sized menus. About the menus I really don't think you'll miss the stylus. With the control panel / panel customization / organise you can put 5x6 or 6x6 applications in the menu all accessible in three thumb presses requiring zero finger agility, with everything seen on the screen, and with 6 applications accessible in two thumb presses since the first menu my selection is automatically opened. For more you just have to thumb press the big scroll buttons a few times. Lets say that I would have 150 program icons (*) in the menu. 6 folders with 25 icons in them, or 25 folders with 6 icons, or as average case 12 folders with 12 icons.. if you have more than 7 levels visible you can see only 5 levels and scrollers. Because there is no subfolders in os2008 we end up with a lot of slow scrolling around. And scrolling takes time, too much time. Waaay too much time. The solution is good for finger access, but the solved problem is wrong. The problem is not finger access, it is fast and easy access. And the answer is not scrolling. Why are the submenus disabled?? Why isn't the menu be in two rows instead of one?? Why I can't choose the menu type?? (*) I have 132 program icons on os2007 which I use 40 regularly, 40 irregularly and rest are just there waiting for usage. I have 14 on Simple Launcher with big icons for fast access. I use subfolders and I don't need to scroll at all when searching for a program. And then the ramblings on the process: For sure the thing x is correct agains the spesification, WONTFIX, but for an outsider that is always an excuse. We haven't seen the specification, we even can't change it, but we know what we would like to see. 'Corrent' doesn't mean that it is right. Menu source atleast is open (I suppose?) so one can hack it (fast) unlike some closed components. Maybe this is the bazaar/cathedral problem.. With dealing with (F)OSS enviroment more agility is wanted needed. Release early. Release often. And listen to your customers. But otherwise really good work. It is already sweet .. The process is the hard part.. maybe when os2010 is out :) -- VRe ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Relocate n800 Claws Folder?
Fred, Unfortunately, there are only two ways to do this: 1. At the initial seup of Claws. 2. By completely deleting all of the Claws config settings from your device and reconfiguring Claws from scratch. This is a feature request that I filed about this issue: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1237 ...but it really needs to be in it's own report. I just keep forgetting. Will do it now! ;) Tim --- Weblog ~ http://tim.samoff.com Baby Blog ~ http://kc.samoff.com Photography ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff Film ~ http://www.youtube.com/timsamoff Music ~ http://www.adkoc.com - Original Message - Message: 3 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:00:00 -0800 From: DrFredC.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Relocate n800 Claws Folder? To: maemo-users maemo-users@maemo.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Does anyone know how to relocate the Claws email folder on an n800 from the external to internal card? I can't seem to find a procedure in the Claws program to do this. It would seem there must be a file somewhere that defines the folder location that one could edit, but I can't find it. Background : Now that I've figured out how to move some DVD movies to my external card, I want to be able to swap the external card in and out. However, I decided to put the Claws email folder on the external card after the Claws email folder was erased (or location lost) during one of the summer 2007OS upgrades. Not being a Linux user, * I can't seem to find much of anything about the structure of how things work, * Or where stuff in general is stored, or why it's stored where it is. * It seems some programs are installed here, some there, most are who knows where? * Fortunately, somehow they all show up on the user menus just fine. I suppose a short primer on Lunix would be useful, if I had time to paw through it. -- Always, Dr Fred C [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: I have USB host!
On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 23:50 +0100, Laurent GUERBY wrote: Lacie USB 25 external hard drive with power USB on my PC and normal USB on the N800 started the automount process but it was not completed successfully, probably not enough combined juice to power the hard drive. Update: with 4 AA rechargeable batteries (GP 2400 mAh fully charged) in a 3.95 euros USB power box, details here: http://www.conrad.fr/boitier_support_de_piles_p_19538_19562_486587_483495 I was able mount and use successfully the LACIE external USB 25 hard drive on my N800: # df -h FilesystemSize Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mtdblock42.0M 2.0M 0 100% /mnt/initfs none512.0k132.0k380.0k 26% /mnt/initfs/tmp /dev/mtdblock4 251.5M215.9M 35.6M 86% / none512.0k132.0k380.0k 26% /tmp none 1.0M 20.0k 1004.0k 2% /dev tmpfs 1.0M 0 1.0M 0% /dev/shm /dev/mmcblk0p11.9G 1.4G470.1M 75% /media/mmc2 /dev/mmcblk1p13.8G 3.0G880.0M 78% /media/mmc1 /dev/sda1 111.8G 24.4G 87.4G 22% /media/usb/sda1 [12131.671875] hub 1-0:1.0: 198mA power budget left Laurent ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
