Re: Installing OS2008 on N800

[Neil MacLeod]

James Knott wrote:
> Which takes me to
> http://europe.nokia.com/A4579470, where I find "For updating your
> software using a Linux computer, go to www.maemo.org
> .",
> which is exactly where I started from.
> 

I have re-read your original post - does the above Wiki page fail to provide 
the information you seek? If that is exactly where you started from, what is it 
about the Wiki page that fails to describe how you install the update? The Wiki 
page appears to describe the process for Linux in simple, easy to follow steps 
- I'm not sure what it is you are missing, to be honest.

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Re: OS2008 Damn ugly!!!

[hendrik]

On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 06:39:14PM +0200, Eero Tamminen wrote:


> Regarding icons, currently the trend seems again going towards

Did you mean "again" or "against"?

> simplified ones being more stylish.  Now that everybody has 32-bit
> (or in our case 16-bit) color displays, the novelty of using every
> color in the shading has faded and it's seen more as visual noise
> distracting from the usability of small items on screen I think.
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Re: Installing OS2008 on N800

[James Knott]

Neil MacLeod wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>   
>> I started at maemo.org and clicked on the announcement of the first
>> official OS2008 Update link, which took me to
>> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html.
>> On there, I clicked on the N800 image, which took me to
>> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin,
>> where I submitted the info and proceeded to download the image. So I
>> started on the maemo home page and took two obvious links to the
>> download area. I did not go to any developer site. I simply followed the
>> obvious links from maemo.org, as any user might be expected to do.
>> Nowhere, on those pages, was there any install info that I could see.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
> >From your first link:
>
> "The OS2008 User Site[1] has a comprehensive list of features of the OS2008. 
> You can also check the content comparison tables done at a package level:
>
>   * RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2 (latest OS2007) vs. current: content[2] - 
> changes[3]
>   * RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.44-4 (OS2008 developer beta) vs. current: content[4] 
> - changes[5]"
>
> Not only does the article on maemo.org provide you with a link to a dedicated 
> user site (suggesting maemo.org isn't an end-user site) but it goes on to 
> provide you with details of package level changes in the operating system. Do 
> you really think the article you discovered is applicable to ordinary every 
> day end users? It's clearly an article aimed at developers or more 
> knowledgeable/technically capable end users who already understand the 
> background to the topic being discussed.
>
> If you don't fall into either category, don't blame the lack of instructions 
> - educate yourself by reading the documentation resources readily available 
> on maemo.org and elsewhere, or stick to the end-user sites (which, by the 
> way, if you'd bothered to follow the provided links contain full OS updating 
> instructions and much more).
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> 1. http://nokia.com/os2008
> 2. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_38-2_comparison.html
> 3. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_38-2_changes.html
> 4. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_44-4_comparison.html
> 5. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_44-4_changes.html
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I click on that "The OS2008 User Site[1] has a comprehensive" link,
which takes me to http://europe.nokia.com/A4579470. On there, I don't
see anything obvious, so I click on N800, which goes to
http://europe.nokia.com/A4579470. I then click on "Support and
software", which goes to http://europe.nokia.com/A4579470. There, under
Software update, I click on Download software update. Which takes me to
http://europe.nokia.com/A4579470, where I find "For updating your
software using a Linux computer, go to www.maemo.org
.",
which is exactly where I started from.

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PhoneLink or CellPhoneTool or gnokii on OS2008

[Adam Nelson]

I just got a N810 for Christmas and am trying to send and receive SMS
messages using my Bluetooth-enabled phone from the N810 using
PhoneLink or CellPhoneTool.  Both of these apps use gnokii for the
communication with the phone.

I've peered the N810 with my phone successfully, and can browse the
stuff on my phone over Bluetooth using the File Manager.  However,
whenever I try to launch CellPhoneTool (though I've had the same
problem with PhoneLink), I get an error message saying:

Phone connection error.  Resource temporarily unavailable.

My ~/.gnokiirc follows:

[global]
port = (My phone's MAC address)
model = AT
rfcomm_channel = 2
initlength = default
connection = bluetooth
use_locking = yes
serial_baudrate = 19200
smsc_timeout = 10

[gnokiid]
bindir = /usr/sbin/

[connect_script]
TELEPHONE = 12345678

[disconnect_script]

[logging]
debug = on
rlpdebug = on
xdebug = on

That file is as it was initialized by the PhoneTool installer, with
the exception of the debug settings, which I changed to 'on' from
'off' in the hopes of getting some more meaningful debug output.

After reading gnokii.org, I thought it would help if I could run the
actual 'gnokii' app from xterm to see what sort of diagnostic output I
can get, but there's no installable gnokii package for OS2008; the
only one I could find is dependent on 'adduser', which I read
somewhere was deprecated for OS2008.

Has anyone been able to get anything gnokii-related working on OS2008
version 50-2 with a Bluetooth phone in general, or a Motorola MOTOKRZR
in particular?  Any hints on what I might be doing wrong or other
places I might look?
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Re: firmware upgrade to _1.2007.50-2_ unsuccessful? Help!

[V P]

Thank you!  I also noticed the missing "-F" after rereading posts in
internettablettalk.com many times.  Where also found out that the middle key
on the scroll pad on the left of the keyboard acts as the "Home-button".

Thanks all for you responses.  Now to the application repositories :-)


On Dec 28, 2007 2:00 PM, Tuukka Tolvanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> V P wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I just tried to flash latest firmware to my N810 using ubuntu Feisty and
> > flasher-3.0.
> >
> > I followed the steps provided in
> >
> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/#a4f6eb951c9d89a4a9027f479f3935c8
> >
> > I plug in the charger and N810 turns on. But nothing seems to happen
> > after that.
> >
> > Here is what I get:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/n810$ sudo ./flasher-3.0
> > RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
>
> There's an -F missing from your command line. You might want to find [1]
> / file [2] a bug on the flasher not telling you that it was given an
> unrecognized non-option argument...
>
> [1] https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?product=Flasher
> [2] https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Flasher
>
> > Password:
> > flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006)
> >
> > Suitable USB device not found, waiting
> > USB device found found at bus 001, device address 012
> > Found device RX-44, hardware revision 0801
> > NOLO version 1.1.6
> > Version of 'sw-release': RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_MR0
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/n810$
>
> 't.
>
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Re: OS2008 Damn Cool!

[Jonathan Jesse]

I would like to echo that I love how the new OS2008 looks and works.  Great
job

On Dec 28, 2007 12:51 PM, Jon Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just wanted to say that I really appreciate the OS2008 upgrade.   Ive
> heard it said on the listserv and it seems to be true in my case, it really
> is like a new device.   Things I appreciate:
>
> * Default Media Player plays mp4 now.
> * New theme is super-slick
> * Seems the new browser is Mozilla and the rendering is better.  Improved
> YouTube & flash video, which is very nice.
> * New Menu structure is much easier on my fingers
> * Minimizing mplayer doesnt make everything double large and impossible to
> change the screen bright or system volume.
> * Internet Radio included is super cool
>
> With that I had a few questions.
>
> * Currently there are a few bars for selecting screen bright and in OS2007
> there were many more.   Didn't find a place to bring it back.  I can handle
> this change, I just don't see the benefit.
> * When I use the browser, in general, and this is just a perception that
> may or may not be accurate, it just seems slower.
> * When I type a URL in the the browser, occasionally it doesnt register
> and it just reloads the page I am on.
> * When I install fceu I get a dbus dependency error and I can't install
> it.  Same with OS2007, if I can't play NES roms ill sepku.  Ok, maybe not,
> but it would be nice.
> * Why can't the default media player play DiVX?  It advertises it can, but
> doesn't seem to be able to.
> * Why can't mplayer play mp4?
> * Why can't it charge via USB?
>
> And this is an unrelated soapbox moment, please disregard if it gets in
> the way of the previous questions:
>
> Openess free of patents is an amazing thing.  It makes it possible to
> implement web functionality in your device with a much lower cost.  Paying a
> patent for a video tag seems as silly to me as a patent for a checkbox.  OGG
> might suck compared to mp4(debatable on how teh) but it is patent free and
> easy enough to support in unixland.  I imagine you switched to minimo to cut
> costs for licensing Opera(and other reasons), OGG would provide the same
> benefit.  Then again you may have already blanket licensed the mp4 patent so
> it doesn't apply to you anymore because the initial investment has already
> been made.  Regardless, its not just about Nokias interest, there is a world
> of innovation to continue well beyond the walls of Nokia.
>
> Im not trying to create a flamewar, I just wanted to toss in a few cents.
>
> PS Ill keep buying the NXXX because it is an amazing device.  Thank you
> for making it.
>
> PPS sorry for my harsh title, sometimes you just need to say it.  The
> device is damn cool and looks great too!
>
> --
> -jon
>
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Re: firmware upgrade to _1.2007.50-2_ unsuccessful? Help!

[Tuukka Tolvanen]

V P wrote:
> Hi,
> I just tried to flash latest firmware to my N810 using ubuntu Feisty and 
> flasher-3.0.
> 
> I followed the steps provided in 
> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/#a4f6eb951c9d89a4a9027f479f3935c8
> 
> I plug in the charger and N810 turns on. But nothing seems to happen 
> after that.
> 
> Here is what I get:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/n810$ sudo ./flasher-3.0 
> RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R

There's an -F missing from your command line. You might want to find [1] 
/ file [2] a bug on the flasher not telling you that it was given an 
unrecognized non-option argument...

[1] https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?product=Flasher
[2] https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Flasher

> Password:
> flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006)
> 
> Suitable USB device not found, waiting
> USB device found found at bus 001, device address 012
> Found device RX-44, hardware revision 0801
> NOLO version 1.1.6
> Version of 'sw-release': RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_MR0
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/n810$

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Re: OS2008 Damn Cool!

[Jon Dodson]

On Dec 28, 2007 10:02 AM, Alfredo J. Fabretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I know you didn't want to enter that discussion, but you said "OGG
> might suck compared to mp4(debatable on how teh) but it is patent free
> and easy enough to support in unixland" and Nokia doesn't believe that
> :)


Fair enough.  :)



>
>
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 3:00 PM, Jon Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I wasnt really trying to enter that discussion, just tag on my opinion
> to
> > the end of my general "this is cool", "i am wondering about this" email.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 28, 2007 9:56 AM, Alfredo J. Fabretti < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > There was a discussion regarding OGG support, I don't have any links
> > > right now but if you google "Nokia OGG" you'll find them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 28, 2007 2:51 PM, Jon Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Just wanted to say that I really appreciate the OS2008 upgrade.
> Ive
> > heard
> > > > it said on the listserv and it seems to be true in my case, it
> really is
> > > > like a new device.   Things I appreciate:
> > > >
> > > > * Default Media Player plays mp4 now.
> > > > * New theme is super-slick
> > > > * Seems the new browser is Mozilla and the rendering is better.
> > Improved
> > > > YouTube & flash video, which is very nice.
> > > > * New Menu structure is much easier on my fingers
> > > > * Minimizing mplayer doesnt make everything double large and
> impossible
> > to
> > > > change the screen bright or system volume.
> > > > * Internet Radio included is super cool
> > > >
> > > > With that I had a few questions.
> > > >
> > > > * Currently there are a few bars for selecting screen bright and in
> > OS2007
> > > > there were many more.   Didn't find a place to bring it back.  I can
> > handle
> > > > this change, I just don't see the benefit.
> > > > * When I use the browser, in general, and this is just a perception
> that
> > may
> > > > or may not be accurate, it just seems slower.
> > > > * When I type a URL in the the browser, occasionally it doesnt
> register
> > and
> > > > it just reloads the page I am on.
> > > > * When I install fceu I get a dbus dependency error and I can't
> install
> > it.
> > > > Same with OS2007, if I can't play NES roms ill sepku.  Ok, maybe
> not,
> > but it
> > > > would be nice.
> > > > * Why can't the default media player play DiVX?  It advertises it
> can,
> > but
> > > > doesn't seem to be able to.
> > > > * Why can't mplayer play mp4?
> > > > * Why can't it charge via USB?
> > > >
> > > > And this is an unrelated soapbox moment, please disregard if it gets
> in
> > the
> > > > way of the previous questions:
> > > >
> > > > Openess free of patents is an amazing thing.  It makes it possible
> to
> > > > implement web functionality in your device with a much lower cost.
> > Paying a
> > > > patent for a video tag seems as silly to me as a patent for a
> checkbox.
> > OGG
> > > > might suck compared to mp4(debatable on how teh) but it is patent
> free
> > and
> > > > easy enough to support in unixland.  I imagine you switched to
> minimo to
> > cut
> > > > costs for licensing Opera(and other reasons), OGG would provide the
> same
> > > > benefit.  Then again you may have already blanket licensed the mp4
> > patent so
> > > > it doesn't apply to you anymore because the initial investment has
> > already
> > > > been made.  Regardless, its not just about Nokias interest, there is
> a
> > world
> > > > of innovation to continue well beyond the walls of Nokia.
> > > >
> > > > Im not trying to create a flamewar, I just wanted to toss in a few
> > cents.
> > > >
> > > > PS Ill keep buying the NXXX because it is an amazing device.  Thank
> you
> > for
> > > > making it.
> > > >
> > > > PPS sorry for my harsh title, sometimes you just need to say it.
>  The
> > device
> > > > is damn cool and looks great too!
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -jon
> > > >
> > > > http://www.jdodson.org
> > > > http://youtube.com/jbdodson
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> >
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> >
> > -jon
> >
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Re: OS2008 Damn Cool!

[Alfredo J. Fabretti]

I know you didn't want to enter that discussion, but you said "OGG
might suck compared to mp4(debatable on how teh) but it is patent free
and easy enough to support in unixland" and Nokia doesn't believe that
:)



On Dec 28, 2007 3:00 PM, Jon Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wasnt really trying to enter that discussion, just tag on my opinion to
> the end of my general "this is cool", "i am wondering about this" email.
>
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 9:56 AM, Alfredo J. Fabretti < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There was a discussion regarding OGG support, I don't have any links
> > right now but if you google "Nokia OGG" you'll find them.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 28, 2007 2:51 PM, Jon Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Just wanted to say that I really appreciate the OS2008 upgrade.   Ive
> heard
> > > it said on the listserv and it seems to be true in my case, it really is
> > > like a new device.   Things I appreciate:
> > >
> > > * Default Media Player plays mp4 now.
> > > * New theme is super-slick
> > > * Seems the new browser is Mozilla and the rendering is better.
> Improved
> > > YouTube & flash video, which is very nice.
> > > * New Menu structure is much easier on my fingers
> > > * Minimizing mplayer doesnt make everything double large and impossible
> to
> > > change the screen bright or system volume.
> > > * Internet Radio included is super cool
> > >
> > > With that I had a few questions.
> > >
> > > * Currently there are a few bars for selecting screen bright and in
> OS2007
> > > there were many more.   Didn't find a place to bring it back.  I can
> handle
> > > this change, I just don't see the benefit.
> > > * When I use the browser, in general, and this is just a perception that
> may
> > > or may not be accurate, it just seems slower.
> > > * When I type a URL in the the browser, occasionally it doesnt register
> and
> > > it just reloads the page I am on.
> > > * When I install fceu I get a dbus dependency error and I can't install
> it.
> > > Same with OS2007, if I can't play NES roms ill sepku.  Ok, maybe not,
> but it
> > > would be nice.
> > > * Why can't the default media player play DiVX?  It advertises it can,
> but
> > > doesn't seem to be able to.
> > > * Why can't mplayer play mp4?
> > > * Why can't it charge via USB?
> > >
> > > And this is an unrelated soapbox moment, please disregard if it gets in
> the
> > > way of the previous questions:
> > >
> > > Openess free of patents is an amazing thing.  It makes it possible to
> > > implement web functionality in your device with a much lower cost.
> Paying a
> > > patent for a video tag seems as silly to me as a patent for a checkbox.
> OGG
> > > might suck compared to mp4(debatable on how teh) but it is patent free
> and
> > > easy enough to support in unixland.  I imagine you switched to minimo to
> cut
> > > costs for licensing Opera(and other reasons), OGG would provide the same
> > > benefit.  Then again you may have already blanket licensed the mp4
> patent so
> > > it doesn't apply to you anymore because the initial investment has
> already
> > > been made.  Regardless, its not just about Nokias interest, there is a
> world
> > > of innovation to continue well beyond the walls of Nokia.
> > >
> > > Im not trying to create a flamewar, I just wanted to toss in a few
> cents.
> > >
> > > PS Ill keep buying the NXXX because it is an amazing device.  Thank you
> for
> > > making it.
> > >
> > > PPS sorry for my harsh title, sometimes you just need to say it.  The
> device
> > > is damn cool and looks great too!
> > >
> > > --
> > > -jon
> > >
> > > http://www.jdodson.org
> > > http://youtube.com/jbdodson
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Re: OS2008 Damn Cool!

[Jon Dodson]

I wasnt really trying to enter that discussion, just tag on my opinion to
the end of my general "this is cool", "i am wondering about this" email.

On Dec 28, 2007 9:56 AM, Alfredo J. Fabretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There was a discussion regarding OGG support, I don't have any links
> right now but if you google "Nokia OGG" you'll find them.
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 2:51 PM, Jon Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just wanted to say that I really appreciate the OS2008 upgrade.   Ive
> heard
> > it said on the listserv and it seems to be true in my case, it really is
> > like a new device.   Things I appreciate:
> >
> > * Default Media Player plays mp4 now.
> > * New theme is super-slick
> > * Seems the new browser is Mozilla and the rendering is better.
>  Improved
> > YouTube & flash video, which is very nice.
> > * New Menu structure is much easier on my fingers
> > * Minimizing mplayer doesnt make everything double large and impossible
> to
> > change the screen bright or system volume.
> > * Internet Radio included is super cool
> >
> > With that I had a few questions.
> >
> > * Currently there are a few bars for selecting screen bright and in
> OS2007
> > there were many more.   Didn't find a place to bring it back.  I can
> handle
> > this change, I just don't see the benefit.
> > * When I use the browser, in general, and this is just a perception that
> may
> > or may not be accurate, it just seems slower.
> > * When I type a URL in the the browser, occasionally it doesnt register
> and
> > it just reloads the page I am on.
> > * When I install fceu I get a dbus dependency error and I can't install
> it.
> > Same with OS2007, if I can't play NES roms ill sepku.  Ok, maybe not,
> but it
> > would be nice.
> > * Why can't the default media player play DiVX?  It advertises it can,
> but
> > doesn't seem to be able to.
> > * Why can't mplayer play mp4?
> > * Why can't it charge via USB?
> >
> > And this is an unrelated soapbox moment, please disregard if it gets in
> the
> > way of the previous questions:
> >
> > Openess free of patents is an amazing thing.  It makes it possible to
> > implement web functionality in your device with a much lower cost.
>  Paying a
> > patent for a video tag seems as silly to me as a patent for a checkbox.
>  OGG
> > might suck compared to mp4(debatable on how teh) but it is patent free
> and
> > easy enough to support in unixland.  I imagine you switched to minimo to
> cut
> > costs for licensing Opera(and other reasons), OGG would provide the same
> > benefit.  Then again you may have already blanket licensed the mp4
> patent so
> > it doesn't apply to you anymore because the initial investment has
> already
> > been made.  Regardless, its not just about Nokias interest, there is a
> world
> > of innovation to continue well beyond the walls of Nokia.
> >
> > Im not trying to create a flamewar, I just wanted to toss in a few
> cents.
> >
> > PS Ill keep buying the NXXX because it is an amazing device.  Thank you
> for
> > making it.
> >
> > PPS sorry for my harsh title, sometimes you just need to say it.  The
> device
> > is damn cool and looks great too!
> >
> > --
> > -jon
> >
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> > http://youtube.com/jbdodson
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Re: OS2008 Damn Cool!

[Alfredo J. Fabretti]

There was a discussion regarding OGG support, I don't have any links
right now but if you google "Nokia OGG" you'll find them.

On Dec 28, 2007 2:51 PM, Jon Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just wanted to say that I really appreciate the OS2008 upgrade.   Ive heard
> it said on the listserv and it seems to be true in my case, it really is
> like a new device.   Things I appreciate:
>
> * Default Media Player plays mp4 now.
> * New theme is super-slick
> * Seems the new browser is Mozilla and the rendering is better.  Improved
> YouTube & flash video, which is very nice.
> * New Menu structure is much easier on my fingers
> * Minimizing mplayer doesnt make everything double large and impossible to
> change the screen bright or system volume.
> * Internet Radio included is super cool
>
> With that I had a few questions.
>
> * Currently there are a few bars for selecting screen bright and in OS2007
> there were many more.   Didn't find a place to bring it back.  I can handle
> this change, I just don't see the benefit.
> * When I use the browser, in general, and this is just a perception that may
> or may not be accurate, it just seems slower.
> * When I type a URL in the the browser, occasionally it doesnt register and
> it just reloads the page I am on.
> * When I install fceu I get a dbus dependency error and I can't install it.
> Same with OS2007, if I can't play NES roms ill sepku.  Ok, maybe not, but it
> would be nice.
> * Why can't the default media player play DiVX?  It advertises it can, but
> doesn't seem to be able to.
> * Why can't mplayer play mp4?
> * Why can't it charge via USB?
>
> And this is an unrelated soapbox moment, please disregard if it gets in the
> way of the previous questions:
>
> Openess free of patents is an amazing thing.  It makes it possible to
> implement web functionality in your device with a much lower cost.  Paying a
> patent for a video tag seems as silly to me as a patent for a checkbox.  OGG
> might suck compared to mp4(debatable on how teh) but it is patent free and
> easy enough to support in unixland.  I imagine you switched to minimo to cut
> costs for licensing Opera(and other reasons), OGG would provide the same
> benefit.  Then again you may have already blanket licensed the mp4 patent so
> it doesn't apply to you anymore because the initial investment has already
> been made.  Regardless, its not just about Nokias interest, there is a world
> of innovation to continue well beyond the walls of Nokia.
>
> Im not trying to create a flamewar, I just wanted to toss in a few cents.
>
> PS Ill keep buying the NXXX because it is an amazing device.  Thank you for
> making it.
>
> PPS sorry for my harsh title, sometimes you just need to say it.  The device
> is damn cool and looks great too!
>
> --
> -jon
>
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OS2008 Damn Cool!

[Jon Dodson]

Just wanted to say that I really appreciate the OS2008 upgrade.   Ive heard
it said on the listserv and it seems to be true in my case, it really is
like a new device.   Things I appreciate:

* Default Media Player plays mp4 now.
* New theme is super-slick
* Seems the new browser is Mozilla and the rendering is better.  Improved
YouTube & flash video, which is very nice.
* New Menu structure is much easier on my fingers
* Minimizing mplayer doesnt make everything double large and impossible to
change the screen bright or system volume.
* Internet Radio included is super cool

With that I had a few questions.

* Currently there are a few bars for selecting screen bright and in OS2007
there were many more.   Didn't find a place to bring it back.  I can handle
this change, I just don't see the benefit.
* When I use the browser, in general, and this is just a perception that may
or may not be accurate, it just seems slower.
* When I type a URL in the the browser, occasionally it doesnt register and
it just reloads the page I am on.
* When I install fceu I get a dbus dependency error and I can't install it.
Same with OS2007, if I can't play NES roms ill sepku.  Ok, maybe not, but it
would be nice.
* Why can't the default media player play DiVX?  It advertises it can, but
doesn't seem to be able to.
* Why can't mplayer play mp4?
* Why can't it charge via USB?

And this is an unrelated soapbox moment, please disregard if it gets in the
way of the previous questions:

Openess free of patents is an amazing thing.  It makes it possible to
implement web functionality in your device with a much lower cost.  Paying a
patent for a video tag seems as silly to me as a patent for a checkbox.  OGG
might suck compared to mp4(debatable on how teh) but it is patent free and
easy enough to support in unixland.  I imagine you switched to minimo to cut
costs for licensing Opera(and other reasons), OGG would provide the same
benefit.  Then again you may have already blanket licensed the mp4 patent so
it doesn't apply to you anymore because the initial investment has already
been made.  Regardless, its not just about Nokias interest, there is a world
of innovation to continue well beyond the walls of Nokia.

Im not trying to create a flamewar, I just wanted to toss in a few cents.

PS Ill keep buying the NXXX because it is an amazing device.  Thank you for
making it.

PPS sorry for my harsh title, sometimes you just need to say it.  The device
is damn cool and looks great too!

-- 
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Re: firmware upgrade to _1.2007.50-2_ unsuccessful? Help!

[Neil MacLeod]

V P wrote:
> Which one is the home key? The counter clockwise arrow?
> 
No, it's the one with the squares (task button?) above the counter clockwise 
arrow button.

On the 770 and N800 the Home button used to have a glyph of a house, but this 
seems to have been changed for the N810 leaving the appearance of the button 
much less obvious and confusing.

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Re: firmware upgrade to _1.2007.50-2_ unsuccessful? Help!

[Jonathan Greene]

On the N810 it's the upper hard key on the side next to the screen.  
Used to be a house on the N800.  A short press brings up your current 
running apps and a long press hides or returns the current window - when on.

V P wrote:
> Which one is the home key? The counter clockwise arrow?
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 12:31 PM, Jonathan Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> I've found that if you press the home key when you plug in your power
> cord it seems to force the flash ...
>
> V P wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I just tried to flash latest firmware to my N810 using ubuntu
> Feisty
> > and flasher-3.0.
> >
> > I followed the steps provided in
> >
> 
> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/#a4f6eb951c9d89a4a9027f479f3935c8
> 
> 
> >
> > I plug in the charger and N810 turns on.  But nothing seems to
> happen
> > after that.
> >
> > Here is what I get:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/n810$ sudo ./flasher-3.0
> > RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
> > Password:
> > flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006)
> >
> > Suitable USB device not found, waiting
> > USB device found found at bus 001, device address 012
> > Found device RX-44, hardware revision 0801
> > NOLO version 1.1.6
> > Version of 'sw-release': RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_MR0
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/n810$
> >
> >
> > "About Product" in N810 now shows
> > Nokia N810 Internet Tablet
> > 
> > Version: 
> >
> > What happened? Did the upgrade succeed?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
>
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Re: firmware upgrade to _1.2007.50-2_ unsuccessful? Help!

[V P]

Which one is the home key? The counter clockwise arrow?

On Dec 28, 2007 12:31 PM, Jonathan Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've found that if you press the home key when you plug in your power
> cord it seems to force the flash ...
>
> V P wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I just tried to flash latest firmware to my N810 using ubuntu Feisty
> > and flasher-3.0.
> >
> > I followed the steps provided in
> >
> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/#a4f6eb951c9d89a4a9027f479f3935c8
> >
> > I plug in the charger and N810 turns on.  But nothing seems to happen
> > after that.
> >
> > Here is what I get:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/n810$ sudo ./flasher-3.0
> > RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
> > Password:
> > flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006)
> >
> > Suitable USB device not found, waiting
> > USB device found found at bus 001, device address 012
> > Found device RX-44, hardware revision 0801
> > NOLO version 1.1.6
> > Version of 'sw-release': RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_MR0
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/n810$
> >
> >
> > "About Product" in N810 now shows
> > Nokia N810 Internet Tablet
> > 
> > Version: 
> >
> > What happened? Did the upgrade succeed?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: firmware upgrade to _1.2007.50-2_ unsuccessful? Help!

[Jonathan Greene]

I've found that if you press the home key when you plug in your power 
cord it seems to force the flash ...

V P wrote:
> Hi,
> I just tried to flash latest firmware to my N810 using ubuntu Feisty 
> and flasher-3.0.
>
> I followed the steps provided in 
> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/#a4f6eb951c9d89a4a9027f479f3935c8
>
> I plug in the charger and N810 turns on.  But nothing seems to happen 
> after that.
>
> Here is what I get:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/n810$ sudo ./flasher-3.0 
> RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
> Password:
> flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006)
>
> Suitable USB device not found, waiting
> USB device found found at bus 001, device address 012
> Found device RX-44, hardware revision 0801
> NOLO version 1.1.6
> Version of 'sw-release': RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_MR0
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/n810$
>
>
> "About Product" in N810 now shows
> Nokia N810 Internet Tablet
> 
> Version: 
>
> What happened? Did the upgrade succeed?
>
>
>
>
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firmware upgrade to _1.2007.50-2_ unsuccessful? Help!

[V P]

Hi,
I just tried to flash latest firmware to my N810 using ubuntu Feisty and
flasher-3.0.

I followed the steps provided in
http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/#a4f6eb951c9d89a4a9027f479f3935c8

I plug in the charger and N810 turns on.  But nothing seems to happen after
that.

Here is what I get:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/n810$ sudo
./flasher-3.0RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Password:
flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006)

Suitable USB device not found, waiting
USB device found found at bus 001, device address 012
Found device RX-44, hardware revision 0801
NOLO version 1.1.6
Version of 'sw-release': RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_MR0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/n810$


"About Product" in N810 now shows
Nokia N810 Internet Tablet

Version: 

What happened? Did the upgrade succeed?
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Re: Installing OS2008 on N800

[Neil MacLeod]

James Knott wrote:
> I started at maemo.org and clicked on the announcement of the first
> official OS2008 Update link, which took me to
> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html.
> On there, I clicked on the N800 image, which took me to
> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin,
> where I submitted the info and proceeded to download the image. So I
> started on the maemo home page and took two obvious links to the
> download area. I did not go to any developer site. I simply followed the
> obvious links from maemo.org, as any user might be expected to do.
> Nowhere, on those pages, was there any install info that I could see.
> 
> 
> 

>From your first link:

"The OS2008 User Site[1] has a comprehensive list of features of the OS2008. 
You can also check the content comparison tables done at a package level:

  * RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2 (latest OS2007) vs. current: content[2] - 
changes[3]
  * RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.44-4 (OS2008 developer beta) vs. current: content[4] - 
changes[5]"

Not only does the article on maemo.org provide you with a link to a dedicated 
user site (suggesting maemo.org isn't an end-user site) but it goes on to 
provide you with details of package level changes in the operating system. Do 
you really think the article you discovered is applicable to ordinary every day 
end users? It's clearly an article aimed at developers or more 
knowledgeable/technically capable end users who already understand the 
background to the topic being discussed.

If you don't fall into either category, don't blame the lack of instructions - 
educate yourself by reading the documentation resources readily available on 
maemo.org and elsewhere, or stick to the end-user sites (which, by the way, if 
you'd bothered to follow the provided links contain full OS updating 
instructions and much more).

Neil



1. http://nokia.com/os2008
2. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_38-2_comparison.html
3. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_38-2_changes.html
4. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_44-4_comparison.html
5. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_44-4_changes.html

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Re: OS2008 Damn ugly!!!

[John Holmblad]

All,

I vote for Icons..and with color too! The Mac proved that icons 
are a good thing for human interface effectiveness/productivity. And 
color provides a third/fourth dimension.


Best Regards,

 

John Holmblad

 

Acadia Secure Networks, LLC

* *




[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >still not very attractive. For example, I like to use the hand writing
> >input, but the panel is a big mass of black that not only looks bad, but
>
> As Eero pointed out, maybe your theme is not what it is for all the 
> others, maybe
> you have something misconfigured. Please try clean image without 
> restoring a broken backup.
>
> >is harder to see the details of it. In the terminal program, I used to
> >have green text on black, but while I can set the background to black, I
> >don't see any way to change the text colour. It's always black. It would
> >be nice, if the old styles was available.
>
> So you want something that is retro rather than being easy for eyes, like
> green on black -monitors in the 1970s?
>
> > BTW, I don't need icons etc., that look like they belong on a 
> child's toy.
>
> Hmm. Do you have something against child's toys?
>
> And are you saying that you would like to have
> an user interface where everything would be presented as a tiny text 
> rather than as a visual
> icon which gives a visual cue about what it is all about?
>
> So are you wishing for a command line interface here instead of a 
> graphical user interface?
> Sounds like you would be. Wishing a hacker-text interface from a 
> commercial product
> intended for ordinary people that just want to have a mobile internet 
> experience,
> is something I wouldn't be spending my spare time for, even most open 
> source community people wouldn't probably like
> such interface on a device of this form factor unless you are into 
> retro-GSM-telephones from the early 1990s. Today it
> wouldn't fly (IMHO). However, if you want to try, by no means your 
> hands are tied, in the free software World you can start
> scratchbox now and do your own ultimate user interface e.g. with 
> ncurses if you like and even replace hildon-desktop with
> it in your own device if you so prefer (it is quite easy task to do 
> even) and if you are totally lucky you might even
> find some other users for your text-mode interface and it would be 
> no-icons-guaranteed.
>
> Best Regards,
> Karoliina
>
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Re: OS2008 Damn ugly!!!

[Eero Tamminen]

Hi,

ext Peter Flynn wrote:
> inode0 wrote:
>> [...] I'm not hearing very many in this thread who agree with
>> the OP's characterization of the new desktop look.
> 
> Noted. Some people may not have seen it yet.
> 
>>> I agree the original post should have been less inflammatory, but I
>>> think it was very valuable nevertheless. Particularly if it helps make
>>> the designers think harder next time.
>> I don't have any reason to think the designers didn't think hard 
> 
> Me neither. On the contrary, I'm sure they did think very hard (you have 
> to: design is *difficult*). And sometimes you have to make that leap to 
> get rid of an old or outdated paradigm.
> 
> Alfredo J. Fabretti wrote:
>> Critics are good if they have a basis. Usually I don't listen or pay 
>> attention to that kind of comments because they don't have an
>> argument which I could use to make a decision or improve a product or
>> software.
> 
> Well, in this case it did: an allegation of ugliness.

Well, that needs a bit more substance.  Despite the long thread, only
concrete item James came up was the black background color in xterm and
input method (in non-default themes).

It needs also context.  What in one culture looks a paragon of
ornamental adult sophistication, looks in another cheap kitsch.
So ugliness can also be in the eye of the beholder.


Regarding icons, currently the trend seems again going towards
simplified ones being more stylish.  Now that everybody has 32-bit
(or in our case 16-bit) color displays, the novelty of using every
color in the shading has faded and it's seen more as visual noise
distracting from the usability of small items on screen I think.


>  > Well, sometimes subjectivity shows only a person's taste.
> 
> And sometimes not.
> 
>> For example saying that "X car is ugly" isn't going to change (or
>> help to change) what designers and engineers have planned and
>> developed for years, 
> 
> Unfortunately :-) The fact that the designers and engineers went ahead 
> with the Fiat Multipla doesn't redeem it from being the single ugliest 
> car in the world. It has many other good qualities but aesthetics ain't 
> one of them.

To an engineer, functional and consistent looks beautiful.

Whereas a apparently hip&cool person following latest trends might not
care whether it actually works as long as his/her friends say "ooh" when
they see the thing and nobody else has similar.

The normal people just want it to be reliable, easy to use and get
it cheap.  And for it to be commonly used so that they can interchange
stuff with friends and get spare parts.  Coolness wouldn't hurt though,
but it's not about what it looks like, more about what people talk
about I guess.

A matter of taste.  Hopefully we make good compromises for usability
*and* keep improving it in each release. :-)


- Eero
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Re: App Mgr and Python runtime broken on OS2007?

[Peter Flynn]

Ryan Pavlik wrote:
> Peter Flynn wrote:
[...]
>> Does anyone know an alternative source that works?
>>   
> This is due to the repository problems that have been discussed at
> length here and at internettablettalk.com

Ah, thanks. I thought those referred only to OS2008.

///Peter
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Re: WiFi Browsing Does Not Work OS2008

[James Knott]

Do you know anyone else with a N800 who can try to connect?  Can you
connect with a notebook computer?


Chris wrote:
> Nope, still get the "Unable to Connect To Server" error.
> BTW, I cannot even ping the N800 from either the router (D-link has
> Ping built into the router) or from another lan PC.  I do see the
> Router assigns an IP address 192.168.0.100 
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 9:22 AM, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> BTW, I cannot even ping the N800 from either the router (D-link
> has Ping built into the router) or from another lan PC.  I do see
> the Router assigns an IP address 192.168.0.100 
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 9:17 AM, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> Nope, still get the "Unable to Connect To Server" error.
>
> Can you actually see anything from the AP? Like the
> configuration page
> (usually at 192.168.0.1 )?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers, Igor
>
> Igor Stoppa < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> (Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland)
>
>
>
>
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Re: OS2008 Damn ugly!!!

[Peter Flynn]

inode0 wrote:
> [...] I'm not hearing very many in this thread who agree with
> the OP's characterization of the new desktop look.

Noted. Some people may not have seen it yet.

>> I agree the original post should have been less inflammatory, but I
>> think it was very valuable nevertheless. Particularly if it helps make
>> the designers think harder next time.
> 
> I don't have any reason to think the designers didn't think hard 

Me neither. On the contrary, I'm sure they did think very hard (you have 
to: design is *difficult*). And sometimes you have to make that leap to 
get rid of an old or outdated paradigm.

Alfredo J. Fabretti wrote:
> Critics are good if they have a basis. Usually I don't listen or pay 
> attention to that kind of comments because they don't have an
> argument which I could use to make a decision or improve a product or
> software.

Well, in this case it did: an allegation of ugliness.

 > Well, sometimes subjectivity shows only a person's taste.

And sometimes not.

> For example saying that "X car is ugly" isn't going to change (or
> help to change) what designers and engineers have planned and
> developed for years, 

Unfortunately :-) The fact that the designers and engineers went ahead 
with the Fiat Multipla doesn't redeem it from being the single ugliest 
car in the world. It has many other good qualities but aesthetics ain't 
one of them.

> time will make people get used to it 

I always worry a little at statements like this as they imply that the 
designer is always right and that "people" are always wrong. I'm pretty 
sure that's not what the author meant. At my age I've "got used" to 
seeing Buckingham Palace, but that doesn't change the fact that it's 
simply not a very good piece of architecture.

 > and understand why things were made that way

This is *much* more important. Good interaction design is 
self-explanatory: the user doesn't have to understand or learn how to 
use it (or only has to be shown once), and it works right first time and 
every time. A good example was the rotary-dial telephone: users did not 
need to know how a Strowger uniselector worked in order to dial a call. 
But interaction design is very different from aesthetic or visual or 
graphic design. With the use of plastics, a telephone could be made to 
*look* like anything you wanted, but its interaction design was the same.

With GUI design we have to be especially careful not to break 
established models without reason: don't suddenly require two clicks 
where one was needed before (or vice versa); don't hide one icon 
underneath another because you think it looks prettier, or because you 
yourself never use the hidden one; don't move important or 
frequently-used functions to a hidden or obscure place several layers 
down a menu; don't promote unimportant or useless functions to desktop 
significance; and so on. People approach the desktop metaphor nowadays 
with considerable loads of background knowledge or even baggage, most of 
which needs to be taken into account, not ignored. It *is* possible to 
ignore it, if you're good enough and big enough -- Apple is one obvious 
example.

 > (obviously things aren't
> perfect and there's always time to change or fix them). Most humans
> reject new things until they get used to them.

Yep. We're a conservative bunch, humans.

>> I agree the original post should have been less inflammatory, but I
>> think it was very valuable nevertheless. Particularly if it helps
>> make the designers think harder next time.
 >
 > Designers need constructive criticism, comments like the original post
 > only hurts their feelings.

I dislike hurting people, particularly electronically, but once or twice 
I have lashed out in public at a particularly unnecessary, careless, 
stupid, or thoughtless action, deliberately to shock the author into 
reconsidering.  Usually it works, but at a heavy penalty, which is why 
the last time was nearly 15 years ago.

///Peter
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Re: Installing OS2008 on N800

[James Knott]

Neil MacLeod wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>   
>>> http://www.nokiausa.com/A4410958
>>>   
>> Thanks. I wonder if there's some logical reason why that info was not
>> provided on the download page?
>> Sometimes, I get the feeling Nokia deliberately tries to make things
>> difficult.
>>
>> 
>
> Because you downloaded the firmware from a site intended for developers and 
> more sophisticated/knowledgeable end users where such instructions are 
> unnecessary - the flashing instructions are covered in depth in various 
> Wikis, including that at maemo.org.
>
> The standard end user page with instructions is the page linked above - once 
> your install the software it does everything for you.
>
>   

I started at maemo.org and clicked on the announcement of the first
official OS2008 Update link, which took me to
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html.
On there, I clicked on the N800 image, which took me to
http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin,
where I submitted the info and proceeded to download the image. So I
started on the maemo home page and took two obvious links to the
download area. I did not go to any developer site. I simply followed the
obvious links from maemo.org, as any user might be expected to do.
Nowhere, on those pages, was there any install info that I could see.



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Re: Caps Lock

[Randall]

Henry wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If you press the shift key for a few seconds then it will become sticky.
>
> Regards,
>
> Henry
Funny that - I had - once - suddenly found the caps lock on and could 
not figure out HOW I did it - (laughing) thanks for explaining!
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 12:39 AM, Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> I've look all over the keyboard of OS2008 and Can NOT find where they
> moved the caps lock to - any help?
>
> And YES if it's right under my ah prominent proboscis please let
> me know.
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Re: WiFi Browsing Does Not Work OS2008

[Eero Tamminen]

Hi,

This is not my area, but it could be this issue:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1147

AFAIK this (along with bug 1170) is an issue with your access point
power management not conforming to the standard.  Happily the bug
report seems to have a workaround.


- Eero

ext Chris wrote:
> Nope, still get the "Unable to Connect To Server" error.
> BTW, I cannot even ping the N800 from either the router (D-link has Ping
> built into the router) or from another lan PC.  I do see the Router assigns
> an IP address 192.168.0.100
> 
> On Dec 28, 2007 9:22 AM, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> BTW, I cannot even ping the N800 from either the router (D-link has Ping
>> built into the router) or from another lan PC.  I do see the Router assigns
>> an IP address 192.168.0.100
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2007 9:17 AM, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Nope, still get the "Unable to Connect To Server" error.
 Can you actually see anything from the AP? Like the configuration page
 (usually at 192.168.0.1)?
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Re: WiFi Browsing Does Not Work OS2008

[Chris]

Nope, still get the "Unable to Connect To Server" error.
BTW, I cannot even ping the N800 from either the router (D-link has Ping
built into the router) or from another lan PC.  I do see the Router assigns
an IP address 192.168.0.100

On Dec 28, 2007 9:22 AM, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> BTW, I cannot even ping the N800 from either the router (D-link has Ping
> built into the router) or from another lan PC.  I do see the Router assigns
> an IP address 192.168.0.100
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 9:17 AM, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Nope, still get the "Unable to Connect To Server" error.
> > >
> > > Can you actually see anything from the AP? Like the configuration page
> > > (usually at 192.168.0.1)?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers, Igor
> > >
> > > Igor Stoppa < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > (Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland)
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: Installing OS2008 on N800

[Neil MacLeod]

James Knott wrote:
>> http://www.nokiausa.com/A4410958
> 
> Thanks. I wonder if there's some logical reason why that info was not
> provided on the download page?
> Sometimes, I get the feeling Nokia deliberately tries to make things
> difficult.
> 

Because you downloaded the firmware from a site intended for developers and 
more sophisticated/knowledgeable end users where such instructions are 
unnecessary - the flashing instructions are covered in depth in various Wikis, 
including that at maemo.org.

The standard end user page with instructions is the page linked above - once 
your install the software it does everything for you.

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Re: GIMP on n800?

[Alfredo J. Fabretti]

You can use a virtual keyboard on the remote server
http://digitalen.blogspot.com/2006/05/log-2-nokia-770-remote-virtual.html

It's a bit outdated as you can see but it should work.


On Dec 28, 2007 10:55 AM, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Danilo Cesar DP wrote:
> > It can be "ssh -x", can't it?
> >
>
> Yes, I have done that to "run" OpenOffice on my N800.  Of course, I
> couldn't type into it, because of the way the virtual keyboard in the
> N800 works.
>
>
>
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Re: GIMP on n800?

[James Knott]

Danilo Cesar DP wrote:
> It can be "ssh -x", can't it?
>   

Yes, I have done that to "run" OpenOffice on my N800.  Of course, I
couldn't type into it, because of the way the virtual keyboard in the
N800 works.



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Re: WiFi Browsing Does Not Work OS2008

[Igor Stoppa]

On Fri, 2007-12-28 at 08:23 -0500, ext Chris wrote:
> I have tried for the last 3 days to browse the internet via WiFI.  I
> initially ran into connection issues (failed to Connect), but was able
> to overcome these. Now I'm able to hold a connection (Connection
> Manager stays connected).  However, any time I try to browse a site,
> the browser times out.  I have successfully connected to 3 different
> routers and with all I cannot browse the internet. Tried reflashing,
> recreating the connections, nothing works. 
> 
> At wits end here. I'm thinking I have a lemon that needs to be
> returned. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Can you actually see anything from the AP? Like the configuration page
(usually at 192.168.0.1)?


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Cheers, Igor

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(Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland)
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WiFi Browsing Does Not Work OS2008

[Chris]

I have tried for the last 3 days to browse the internet via WiFI.  I
initially ran into connection issues (failed to Connect), but was able to
overcome these. Now I'm able to hold a connection (Connection Manager stays
connected).  However, any time I try to browse a site, the browser times
out.  I have successfully connected to 3 different routers and with all I
cannot browse the internet. Tried reflashing, recreating the connections,
nothing works.

At wits end here. I'm thinking I have a lemon that needs to be returned. Any
help would be greatly appreciated.


Chris
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Re: Alpine 1.0 on n800/770/n810?

[Denis DeLaRoca]

On 22/12/2007, A J Thew  wrote:

> On 22/12/2007, A J Thew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 22/12/2007, Paul Dundas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> A J Thew wrote:
 Hi alpine is the new pine and offers a powerful
 text based mail client that works well on the tablet, better than the
 default GUI client IMHO.
 Will the1.0 version be made available?

>>>
>>> I can see how text clients (mutt even) would work quite well
>>> on an N810 with its actual keyboard.
>>>
>>> Any comments on how annoying or otherwise they are to use
>>> with a pop up and down virtual keyboard, and the resulting
>>> constantly changing visible screen area?
>>
>> It's not perfect but it works... I would not want to read huge amounts of 
>> mail
>> that way.
>>
> Just to follow myself up, the UW supplied n800/n81 binaries
>
> (see http://www.washington.edu/alpine and drill down)
>
> work fine on a 770 running OS 2006

I keep a binary of it, as well as assorted notes to make Alpine run well 
on the Nokia Internet Tablets, at

http://home.mminternet.com/~delaroca/

both my binary, as well as those from UW have been compiled with the Bora
SDK... but appear to work fine on both Gregale and Chinook.

With mouse support enabled, Alpine can be driven very nicely by "point and 
tap"... but as has been pointed out, the pop-up keyboard gets in the way. 
It would be nice if we had an xterm option to only invoke the vkb when 
needed. Still, Alpine 1.0 is eminently useable, configurable... and fast!

The OS 2008 xterm seems to have been designed specifically for the N810 
and its hardware keyboard... on the N800, the situation is agravated by 
the placement of the keyboard-shortcuts menu-bar at the bottom of the 
window -- further taking away screen space away from Alpine.

It is obvious that for Alpine, as well as other full-screen text-based 
apps such as Emacs, etc., we do need a better designed xterm... on the 
N810 with its hardware keyboard full-screen apps can be run nicely, 
much less so on the N800 / 770 ITs.

On another topic, does anyone know the Dbus invocation, if any, necessary 
to invoke the image-viewer to display an image file?

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Re: GIMP on n800?

[Danilo Cesar DP]

It can be "ssh -x", can't it?

[]'s

Danilo

On Dec 28, 2007 9:10 AM, Thomas Armagost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://kalle.vahlman.googlepages.com/gimp-on-n800.png
>
> Is this screenshot a fake?
>
> Tallyho,
> Thomas Armagost
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://sillyblog.net
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Re:GIMP on n800?

[Antonio Di Cello]

I think it is a fake .. The menu is identical to the pc version and it is a 
fitting photo

bye
ADC


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Subject : GIMP on n800?







> http://kalle.vahlman.googlepages.com/gimp-on-n800.png
> 
> Is this screenshot a fake?
> 
> Tallyho,
> Thomas Armagost
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://sillyblog.net
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GIMP on n800?

[Thomas Armagost]

http://kalle.vahlman.googlepages.com/gimp-on-n800.png

Is this screenshot a fake?

Tallyho,
Thomas Armagost
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http://sillyblog.net

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