Re: Cross-compiling for the N800

[Andrew Daviel]

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Peter Flynn wrote:

>
> All installed, but compiling the utility with cc -o foo foo.c bar.c
> produces a binary which executes perfectly inside the VMware dev img
> window, but whe uploaded to the N800 says

Personally, I installed scratchbox as per
http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt
then have to start the environment up and login.
Then I get a prompt
[sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~]>
and can do gcc, make etc., then copy binaries to the tablet with scp.
Sometimes, the binary segfaults in scratchbox but runs OK on the tablet.
I haven't investigated.

I'm not sure this is the same as you have; I'm not running VMware AFAIK.

I don't normally use GUI on Linux and may or may not have an icon on ny 
FC4 system. Probably not.

Described (including caveat about not heeding warnings...) at 
http://andrew.triumf.ca/andrew/n810-blog.html#scratchbox

Andrew
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Re: N810 gps troubles

[Andrew Daviel]

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Frederic Crozat wrote:

> No, the plastic square is the light sensor ;)

So, where is the GPS antenna and how does it get a signal ...
(my first (near-useless) GPS had 
a pivoting antenna about 2cm * 2cm * 6cm and marine people were 
recommending an external antenna about 10cm across if mounting
a set on a boat .. my Garmin has an internal antenna, but still a jack 
for an external one, and works fine through the fiberglass roof)

>>  (I guess I should quantify my own experience..)

Outside my house I was seeing about 7 satellites with good signals from 
4. My Garmin got a first fix in 48 seconds vs. 176 seconds for the N810.
After powering off, the Garmin got a second fix in about 2 seconds.
The N810 took about 20 seconds. For a much newer device, that's kind of 
disappointing.

I tried moving the tablet to various orientations but didn't see any 
clear affect on the signal strength, having got a fix.

I take it back about the metal .. the case is plastic painted to look 
like metal, apart from the battery cover and the front fascia, 
and the dark grey panel at the top back is all plastic. I just popped 
it .. holds the funny-looking speakers with audio ducts to the side, and 
an odd floating single contact - maybe it's conductive plastic for EMI 
shielding ...

http://andrew.triumf.ca/andrew/n810.spkr.jpg
http://andrew.triumf.ca/andrew/n810.back1.jpg
http://andrew.triumf.ca/andrew/n810.back2.jp
(video grab from fixed-focus minicam, excuse the blurring..)

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Re: Cross-compiling for the N800

[Jason Edgecombe]

Peter Flynn wrote:
> Jason Edgecombe wrote:
>   
>> Peter Flynn wrote:
>> 
>>> Jason Edgecombe wrote:
>>>  
>>>   
 You need a specially compiled gcc that can cross-compile for arm 
 along with the c library compiled for arm.
 
 
>>> All installed, but compiling the utility with cc -o foo foo.c bar.c
>>> produces a binary which executes perfectly inside the VMware dev img
>>> window, but whe uploaded to the N800 says
>>>
>>> Syntax error: "(" unexpected
>>>
>>> Is there a -m switch I need to use for the architecture?
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> Did you run the scratchbox icon on the desktop and do the compile in the 
>> new terminal that appeared?
>> 
>
> No, just opened a shell and typed cc -o foo foo.c bar.c
> Which is the scratchbox icon (excuse the ignorance :-)
>   
It should be the icon in the upper-left corner of the desktop.


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Re: Connecting N8*0 to laptop - USB or Ad-Hoc WiFi ?

[Andrew Daviel]

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Ryan Pavlik wrote:

> You should be able to join (or even create!) an ad-hoc (Computer-to-Computer) 
> network with the N810 - I see them all the time on my network list.

OK, yes - my old Dell with an Orinoco card will do ad-hoc in both Windows 
and Linux. The N810 shows an icon with a little blob over it to 
differentiate it from AP.

My not-quite-so-old IBM Thinkpad with internal Atheros chip doesn't want 
to do ad-hoc in Linux (with the atheros driver). In Windows I just got 
confused as there are IBM and Microsoft managers fighting to control the 
card. The Orinoco manager on the Dell was easy.

BT might work; I'd have to buy a BT adapter as neither laptop has it, 
plus at this point I don't have much experience with BT (beyond buying 
Logitech's nice Denovo keyboard+basestation and pressing a button to 
pair them...)

Andrew
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Re: Cross-compiling for the N800

[Florian Boor]

Hi,

Jason Edgecombe wrote:

>> Syntax error: "(" unexpected

this looks like you try to run an x86 binary on your device. Check if you use
the correct compiler. You can check with the "file" command what kind of binary
you built.

Greetings

Florian

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Re: Cross-compiling for the N800

[Peter Flynn]

Jason Edgecombe wrote:
> Peter Flynn wrote:
>> Jason Edgecombe wrote:
>>  
>>> You need a specially compiled gcc that can cross-compile for arm 
>>> along with the c library compiled for arm.
>>> 
>>
>> All installed, but compiling the utility with cc -o foo foo.c bar.c
>> produces a binary which executes perfectly inside the VMware dev img
>> window, but whe uploaded to the N800 says
>>
>> Syntax error: "(" unexpected
>>
>> Is there a -m switch I need to use for the architecture?
>>
>>   
> Did you run the scratchbox icon on the desktop and do the compile in the 
> new terminal that appeared?

No, just opened a shell and typed cc -o foo foo.c bar.c
Which is the scratchbox icon (excuse the ignorance :-)

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Re: Cross-compiling for the N800

[Jason Edgecombe]

Peter Flynn wrote:
> Jason Edgecombe wrote:
>   
>> You need a specially compiled gcc that can cross-compile for arm along 
>> with the c library compiled for arm.
>> 
>
> All installed, but compiling the utility with cc -o foo foo.c bar.c
> produces a binary which executes perfectly inside the VMware dev img
> window, but whe uploaded to the N800 says
>
> Syntax error: "(" unexpected
>
> Is there a -m switch I need to use for the architecture?
>
>   
Did you run the scratchbox icon on the desktop and do the compile in the 
new terminal that appeared?

Thanks,
Jason

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Re: Cross-compiling for the N800

[Peter Flynn]

Jason Edgecombe wrote:
> You need a specially compiled gcc that can cross-compile for arm along 
> with the c library compiled for arm.

All installed, but compiling the utility with cc -o foo foo.c bar.c
produces a binary which executes perfectly inside the VMware dev img
window, but whe uploaded to the N800 says

Syntax error: "(" unexpected

Is there a -m switch I need to use for the architecture?

///Peter

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Re: Connecting N8*0 to laptop - USB or Ad-Hoc WiFi ?

[Frantisek Dufka]

Marius Gedminas wrote:
> That is certainly one possibility.  I had my laptop set up as a PPP
> server over rfcomm, and had my Palm do dial-up to it.
> 
> Another possibility would be Bluetooth PAN (Personal Area Network).
> I've no personal experience with this, but I've seen it mentioned on
> this list, and I've also seen some Maemo Extras packages with names
> hinting at this purpose.

Yes PAN is a shortcut. Why to simulate serial line and then run ppp over 
it when you can send IP over bluetooth directly? Apart from having less 
layers and simpler setup it is also multipoint, not just point to point. 
My laptop is pan server and 770, N800 and N810 can connect to it 
concurrently over BT PAN and see each other (i.e. IPs are 192.168.2.1 = 
server and .2 .3 .4 for tablets).

> Ad-hoc WiFi would be simpler, if your laptop supports it.  Many Linux
> wireless drivers don't support ad-hoc or master modes. :(

Ad-hoc may drain battery much faster than bluetooth PAN. OTOH Bluetoth 
2.0 is still 10x slower than wi-fi.

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Re: N810 gps troubles

[Frederic Crozat]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:45:00AM -0700, Andrew Daviel wrote:
>  > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Frederic Crozat wrote:
>  >
>  > > Once you get the almanac downloaded, fix time can be shorter (5
>  > > minutes to 10 minutes in bad conditions). And if you got a fix in the
>  >
>  > Any idea where the almanac is stored ? In the GPS chip itself ? Does it
>  > survive power-down or dead battery ? I gather it's a Texas device
>  > (GPS5300) with not a lot of info on the Web (contact TI if you're a
>  > cellphone maker wanting millions of the things, hobbyists need not
>  > apply). The 2-page teaser suggests that it communicates over a serial
>  > bus, maybe native NMEA0183.
>  ...
>
> >   - I'm curious. What time-to-first-fix are people experiencing ?
>
>  3-4 minutes.
>
>  My GlobalSat BT-308 (SiRF StarII) gets the fix in 1-2 minutes in the
>  same conditions, which is (a) better, (b) still disappointing.
>
>  Both are pretty much useless when walking around on foot in the city.

Hmm, quite strange, I don't have any issue when walking by foot,
either in Paris or Bruxelles.

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Re: Connecting N8*0 to laptop - USB or Ad-Hoc WiFi ?

[Marius Gedminas]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 08:35:06PM +0200, Tilman Vogel wrote:
> Even though it may be embarrassing, I sometimes just use Bluetooth OBEX
> push to transfer files between my laptop and my N810/770. I haven't done
> it yet, but I guess one could also set up TCP/IP over it. Maybe using
> PPP over /dev/rfcommX.

That is certainly one possibility.  I had my laptop set up as a PPP
server over rfcomm, and had my Palm do dial-up to it.

Another possibility would be Bluetooth PAN (Personal Area Network).
I've no personal experience with this, but I've seen it mentioned on
this list, and I've also seen some Maemo Extras packages with names
hinting at this purpose.

Ad-hoc WiFi would be simpler, if your laptop supports it.  Many Linux
wireless drivers don't support ad-hoc or master modes. :(

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Re: N810 gps troubles

[Frederic Crozat]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Andrew Daviel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Frederic Crozat wrote:
>
>  > Once you get the almanac downloaded, fix time can be shorter (5
>  > minutes to 10 minutes in bad conditions). And if you got a fix in the
>
>  Any idea where the almanac is stored ? In the GPS chip itself ? Does it
>  survive power-down or dead battery ? I gather it's a Texas device
>  (GPS5300) with not a lot of info on the Web (contact TI if you're a
>  cellphone maker wanting millions of the things, hobbyists need not
>  apply). The 2-page teaser suggests that it communicates over a serial
>  bus, maybe native NMEA0183.

There has been a lot of discussions on Internet Tablet forum. It is
probably stored in /var/lib/gps/nvd_data but nobody has been able to
decode the file format.

>  > Also remember GPS antenna is located under the zoom in/out button, so
>  > try to not hold your n810 with your hand over them (at least for
>  > initial GPS fix).
>
>  I had assumed it was the little plastic square just above the camera, so
>  that the best orientation was screen side upwards with a good view of the
>  sky. Once I had a fix, then I could put it in my pocket riding a bike.

No, the plastic square is the light sensor ;)

But I concur with your findings about keeping a fix once you get it.

>  I'm not sure Maemo Mapper really has more information available.
>  As far as I can figure, gpsd translates NMEA from the device to a
>  generic format and makes it available to multiple clients on
>  localhost:2947.
>  The NMEA includes $GPGSV GPS Satellites in View. You can see this if you
>  connect to the socket with netcat and give an "r" (raw) command, or
>  "q" or "y".
>  In Nokia Map the "gps view" shows signal levels and satellite position
>  graphically, I presume derived from this information.

Yes, but accessing those "detailed" informations from Maps is
preventing use of the application, unlike Maemo-Mapper (you can even
bind "show GPS details" to a hardware key). And even Maemo-Mapper
"establishing GPS fix" progress bar is a good indicator for fix
progression.

>   - I'm curious. What time-to-first-fix are people experiencing ?

Between 5 to 10 minutes usually (in Paris). After a fix, I've done
more tests in disabling GPS and enabling it back and was sometime able
to get fix from 30s to 2 minutes (inside a bus moving..)

>  (I guess I should quantify my own experience..)

Install gps-clockd, it record TTF, as well as syncing clock to GPS clock

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Re: N810 gps troubles

[Marius Gedminas]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:45:00AM -0700, Andrew Daviel wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Frederic Crozat wrote:
> 
> > Once you get the almanac downloaded, fix time can be shorter (5
> > minutes to 10 minutes in bad conditions). And if you got a fix in the
> 
> Any idea where the almanac is stored ? In the GPS chip itself ? Does it 
> survive power-down or dead battery ? I gather it's a Texas device 
> (GPS5300) with not a lot of info on the Web (contact TI if you're a 
> cellphone maker wanting millions of the things, hobbyists need not 
> apply). The 2-page teaser suggests that it communicates over a serial 
> bus, maybe native NMEA0183.
...
>   - I'm curious. What time-to-first-fix are people experiencing ?

3-4 minutes.

My GlobalSat BT-308 (SiRF StarII) gets the fix in 1-2 minutes in the
same conditions, which is (a) better, (b) still disappointing.

Both are pretty much useless when walking around on foot in the city.

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Re: Connecting N8*0 to laptop - USB or Ad-Hoc WiFi ?

[Tilman Vogel]

Even though it may be embarrassing, I sometimes just use Bluetooth OBEX
push to transfer files between my laptop and my N810/770. I haven't done
it yet, but I guess one could also set up TCP/IP over it. Maybe using
PPP over /dev/rfcommX.

Regards,

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Re: Connecting N8*0 to laptop - USB or Ad-Hoc WiFi ?

[Ryan Pavlik]

Andrew Daviel wrote:
> If I should take both my N810 and a laptop to some unwired location (my 
> boat), how can I have them communicate ?
> Bringing a WiFi hub (+ power supply, + inverter...) seems like overkill.
>
> If I could set my laptop in Ad-Hoc or Master mode (which I'm not sure I 
> can, or even if the chip supports it; the iwconfig option is rejected in 
> Linux and I just get confused in Windows between duelling Microsoft and 
> IBM managers), could the N810 connect ?
>
> Or, is it possible to connect via the USB cable and get a shell so I can 
> use the laptop keyboard ?
> Otherwise, posting files through the SD card would work OK, but no 
> keyboard.
>
>
>   
You should be able to join (or even create!) an ad-hoc 
(Computer-to-Computer) network with the N810 - I see them all the time 
on my network list.  You can also do netowrking over USB if you google 
maemo.og a bit.

Ryan

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Connecting N8*0 to laptop - USB or Ad-Hoc WiFi ?

[Andrew Daviel]

If I should take both my N810 and a laptop to some unwired location (my 
boat), how can I have them communicate ?
Bringing a WiFi hub (+ power supply, + inverter...) seems like overkill.

If I could set my laptop in Ad-Hoc or Master mode (which I'm not sure I 
can, or even if the chip supports it; the iwconfig option is rejected in 
Linux and I just get confused in Windows between duelling Microsoft and 
IBM managers), could the N810 connect ?

Or, is it possible to connect via the USB cable and get a shell so I can 
use the laptop keyboard ?
Otherwise, posting files through the SD card would work OK, but no 
keyboard.


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Re: N810 gps troubles

[Andrew Daviel]

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Frederic Crozat wrote:

> Once you get the almanac downloaded, fix time can be shorter (5
> minutes to 10 minutes in bad conditions). And if you got a fix in the

Any idea where the almanac is stored ? In the GPS chip itself ? Does it 
survive power-down or dead battery ? I gather it's a Texas device 
(GPS5300) with not a lot of info on the Web (contact TI if you're a 
cellphone maker wanting millions of the things, hobbyists need not 
apply). The 2-page teaser suggests that it communicates over a serial 
bus, maybe native NMEA0183.

It also says "..enables a rapid time to first fix from weak satellite 
signals exceeding the A-GPS requirements for 3GPP operation"
It's possible that there are some layout issues affecting the performance 
in the N810 - the chip requires an antenna and 11 passive 
components (capacitors, resistors..), so it's possible the design is 
sub-optimal. e.g. compromised to fit it in the space available.

A-GPS being apparently "assisted GPS" used with a signal from cell towers
which I had not previosuly heard of. Perhaps in a true cellphone 
application the cell system sends some approximate location to
speed up the time to fix (for 911 calling in the US)

I had noticed that, compared to my Garmin GPSmap76 (now several years 
old), that the N810 takes longer to acquire a fix but having got one, is 
able to keep it with less signal (indoors in my wood-framed house), at 
least for a while. For the Garmin, initial setup required priming it with 
an approximate position but I see no means to do that on the N810. 
Perhaps it is now considered unnecessary.



> Also remember GPS antenna is located under the zoom in/out button, so
> try to not hold your n810 with your hand over them (at least for
> initial GPS fix).

I had assumed it was the little plastic square just above the camera, so 
that the best orientation was screen side upwards with a good view of the 
sky. Once I had a fix, then I could put it in my pocket riding a bike.

There seems an awful lot of metal in the N810 case, and radio waves 
traditionally don't penetrate. At least, that's what I learned at school 
but the modern devices seem awfully sensitive and the signal can diffract 
through small holes...


I'm not sure Maemo Mapper really has more information available.
As far as I can figure, gpsd translates NMEA from the device to a
generic format and makes it available to multiple clients on 
localhost:2947.
The NMEA includes $GPGSV GPS Satellites in View. You can see this if you 
connect to the socket with netcat and give an "r" (raw) command, or
"q" or "y".
In Nokia Map the "gps view" shows signal levels and satellite position 
graphically, I presume derived from this information.


  - I'm curious. What time-to-first-fix are people experiencing ?

(I guess I should quantify my own experience..)


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Re: N810 gps troubles

[Johan Helsingius]

Frederic,

> Well, GPS on n810 can be extremely frustrating (I had my shares of
> trouble with it) when you don't know anything about GPS (like most of
> us), because of its low sensitivity.

Indeed.

> I suggest you install maemo-mapper, mostly because it give you a
> better view of what is happening while GPS fix is in progress
> (compared to Maps).

Thanks! That is good advice!

> Moreover, if you never had a fix with your n810, the first fix for
> your geographical position can be extremely long (more than 12 minutes
> since it needs that time to download almanac for your position, this
> data is valid several weeks). And if you are moving or in a bad
> reception location, it can be very very long.

I am aware of that from my other GPS devices, but in this case
I made sure I had a fix here in Amsterdam before I left, and 
Amsterdam and London are not that far from each other as the
crow flies.

Julf

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Re: [Fwd: Error in email to twine.com (was Re: Re: Ogg support)]

[Henrik Frisk]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 07:35:42AM -0400, James Knott wrote:
>  > Matt Emson wrote:
>  > > Anyone got an idea what on earth this is on about? Has somebody
>  > > subscribed with an email address that would generate this kind of junk?
>  > >
>  > I've also been getting them.  Perhaps whoever maintains the mail list
>  > can remove whatever user in on twine.com
>
>  Yes, please.  It's obnoxious to subscribe to a public list with an email
>  from a provider that requires each sender to jump through silly hoops to
>  get those emails delivered.
>
>  Marius Gedminas
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>
I haven't been able to post new messages to this list for a week
because of Twine. I refuse to register with another service like that.

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Re: [Fwd: Error in email to twine.com (was Re: Re: Ogg support)]

[Marius Gedminas]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 07:35:42AM -0400, James Knott wrote:
> Matt Emson wrote:
> > Anyone got an idea what on earth this is on about? Has somebody 
> > subscribed with an email address that would generate this kind of junk?
> >
> I've also been getting them.  Perhaps whoever maintains the mail list 
> can remove whatever user in on twine.com

Yes, please.  It's obnoxious to subscribe to a public list with an email
from a provider that requires each sender to jump through silly hoops to
get those emails delivered.

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Re: N810 built-in flash: unreliable?

[Marius Gedminas]

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:10:49PM -0400, Kevin T. Neely wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 01:52:10PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> > I'm now trying to see if I can find a safe partition size that I can use
> > without losing my data.
> > 
> > I initially thought this might be related to
> > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2802
> 
> It seems like the tablets are plagued by similar -but not necessarily
> the same- issue.  I had something similar happen with my 770 a while
> back, and I've seen other posts to this list the gist of which, at
> least, is basically the same.
> 
> Were you writing data from your pc to the tablet's memory card via USB
> when this happened, or downloading via network?

Via USB.  Also locally in an ssh session.  Also, locally on the tablet
itself, with no USB or network traffic.

> In my case, it was while downloading an album or two worth of mp3
> files.   After being mounted read-only, the tablet rebooted.  I put
> the card in my laptop, copied the data, and reformatted the card.  I
> haven't had any problems since, but I do worry about it.
> 
> As a side note, what would the proper way to format and prepare these
> cards be?

I should think the built-in File Manager ought to do the right thing.

> Especially if one has used the card in a different system
> (a phone or mp3 player) and want to make it more maemo tablet
> friendly.

Maemo is Linux.  I'm sure it's not picky.

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Re: N810 gps troubles

[Frederic Crozat]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Johan Helsingius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Had a rather depressing confirmation of the GPS troubles this
>  weekend. Went on a quick trip to London, and turned on the map
>  application as soon as I got on the Heathrow Express heading into
>  town. During the trip, the map application showed the GPS finding
>  3-5 satellites on the average, but it never managed to determine
>  the position. Nor during my walk to the hotel, nor during a
>  walk across St James's park, and not even overnight next to a corner
>  window on 5th floor - it just ran out of charge trying.
>
>  In the end I got back to Amsterdam without the GPS having acquired
>  a lock during the whole trip. Not very useful.
>
>  A real bummer, because the 2 main applications I got my 810
>  for was mapping and in-car ODBII, and CarMan doesn't run on
>  the 810... :(
>
>  Sounds like I should sell my 810 and stick to the 770... :(

Well, GPS on n810 can be extremely frustrating (I had my shares of
trouble with it) when you don't know anything about GPS (like most of
us), because of its low sensitivity.

I suggest you install maemo-mapper, mostly because it give you a
better view of what is happening while GPS fix is in progress
(compared to Maps).

Moreover, if you never had a fix with your n810, the first fix for
your geographical position can be extremely long (more than 12 minutes
since it needs that time to download almanac for your position, this
data is valid several weeks). And if you are moving or in a bad
reception location, it can be very very long.

Once you get the almanac downloaded, fix time can be shorter (5
minutes to 10 minutes in bad conditions). And if you got a fix in the
last 2 hours, you might be able to get a "hot" fix in less than 30s.
If you get a fix, try to stay on the location until you get 8 to 10
satellites, I've noticed it allows faster hotfixes.

Also remember GPS antenna is located under the zoom in/out button, so
try to not hold your n810 with your hand over them (at least for
initial GPS fix).

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Re: [Fwd: Error in email to twine.com (was Re: Re: Ogg support)]

[James Knott]

Matt Emson wrote:
> Anyone got an idea what on earth this is on about? Has somebody 
> subscribed with an email address that would generate this kind of junk?
>
I've also been getting them.  Perhaps whoever maintains the mail list 
can remove whatever user in on twine.com

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[Fwd: Error in email to twine.com (was Re: Re: Ogg support)]

[Matt Emson]

Anyone got an idea what on earth this is on about? Has somebody 
subscribed with an email address that would generate this kind of junk?


M

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Re: Ogg support

[Matt Emson]

Tuomas Kulve wrote:
> Media Player doesn't allow you to open ogg files directly but when the
> Metalayer Crawler adds your oggs to the Library then you can play the
> oggs from there with the Media Player.

Metalayer-crawler is the first thing I disable and remove after 
reflashing my N800. It is evil and literally kills battery life and the 
life of flash devices. You should not have to rely on the 
Metalayer-crawler to play ogg, because until Nokia/Maemo fix the 
memory/processor usage issues with the crawler, people like me are going 
to gain root access and remove it.

M
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performance improvements not obtained with sapwood

[Arvind Ayyangar]

Hi all,
  I have been trying to get sapwood working to obtain performance
improvement but with little success..  I am not sure if I am missing
out something basic.
I made the required changes in the gtkrc files (changing the engine
"pixmap" to engine "sapwood"). The time taken to launch applications
is still the same.

Below are the steps/logs

/usr/local/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server &
(sapwood-server:1340): ** INFO: server started

** (sapwood-server:1340): DEBUG: filename:
'/usr/local/share/themes/Layte/gtk-2.0/layte-skey-bar.png'
** (sapwood-server:1340): DEBUG: client removed
** (sapwood-server:1340): DEBUG: pixmaps: 0 (0)


/ # helloworld

(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x55430] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x559b0] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x559b0] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x55ba0] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5a8c8] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5a630] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5a9f8] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5a630] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5a1a8] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5ae70] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x562a8] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5ae70] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x589d8] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5ab58] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5ac38] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5af60] unref: refcnt = 0




Thanks in advance.



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Re: N810 gps troubles

[Johan Helsingius]

Had a rather depressing confirmation of the GPS troubles this
weekend. Went on a quick trip to London, and turned on the map
application as soon as I got on the Heathrow Express heading into
town. During the trip, the map application showed the GPS finding
3-5 satellites on the average, but it never managed to determine
the position. Nor during my walk to the hotel, nor during a
walk across St James's park, and not even overnight next to a corner
window on 5th floor - it just ran out of charge trying.

In the end I got back to Amsterdam without the GPS having acquired
a lock during the whole trip. Not very useful. 

A real bummer, because the 2 main applications I got my 810
for was mapping and in-car ODBII, and CarMan doesn't run on
the 810... :(

Sounds like I should sell my 810 and stick to the 770... :(

Julf

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performance improvements not obtained with sapwood

[Arvind Ayyangar]

Hi all,
   I have been trying to get sapwood working to obtain performance
improvement but with little success..  I am not sure if I am missing
out something basic.
I made the required changes in the gtkrc files (changing the engine
"pixmap" to engine "sapwood"). The time taken to launch applications
is still the same.

Below are the steps/logs

/usr/local/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server &
(sapwood-server:1340): ** INFO: server started

** (sapwood-server:1340): DEBUG: filename:
'/usr/local/share/themes/Layte/gtk-2.0/layte-skey-bar.png'
** (sapwood-server:1340): DEBUG: client removed
** (sapwood-server:1340): DEBUG: pixmaps: 0 (0)


/ # helloworld

(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x55430] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x559b0] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x559b0] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x55ba0] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5a8c8] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5a630] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5a9f8] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5a630] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5a1a8] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5ae70] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x562a8] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5ae70] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x589d8] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5ab58] unref: refcnt = 0
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5ac38] ref: refcnt = 2
(helloworld:1341): sapwood-DEBUG: [0x5af60] unref: refcnt = 0




Thanks in advance.



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Cheers
Arvind
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