Re: BECOMEROOT
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 04:01:45AM +0200, sebastian maemo wrote: > 2008/4/15, Frantisek Dufka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I can install lots of applications in my cellphone (also a Nokia). But I can > install only a few applications in the 770, unless I do a (non-trivial) Can you? I have an S60 phone and -although there are a number of applications for it- most of them are either 1) non-free (in code or cost), and 2) require a special signature, without which they are very difficult to install. > Now, the package I need is gone to another folder. A folder I'm supposed not > to check because I'm using mistral distribution... > > That's fucking nonsense. I see this attitude as completely unproductive. I am sorry your 770 does not do as much as you want it to, but, please, the raving is not helpful, nor does it make a good representation for the community. I loved my 770 and used the "hacker edition" for quite some time. As you have realized, however, it became much more difficult to keep up with the newer apps while tethered to the older operating system. You have to realize two things about the 770: 1) it was the first edition of the IT. Anytime you willingly step into version 1.0, you become a beta tester and will be subject to all types of difficulties not necessarily expected. This is as true for new electronics as it is for first run cars. 2) the 770 is now an outdated model. I loved mine and have only recently moved to an 800. I love OS2008, with the flash support, video, and easy installation of apps like canola. But it was a necessary move. If I were consent to do a little rss, web, IM, and gizmo calls, I would stick with the 770, but like you, I want more, more, more out of my internet tablet. I want to try all the differnt applications and that requires the newer operating system. > There's a chaos in deb packages maintaining and distribution... It's > obviously Nokia's fault... Or maybe it's my fault because I've bought a Once you start trying to run *any* third party app, it does become something of a chaos. Even on my 800, the catalogs (repos) have become somewhat chaotic, yet still manageable. > I think that I'll be able to get my 770 booting again from MMC, but this > kind of things should never happen. At least to a simple end user... And here, as I see it, is the root of your problem. When you start doing things like "booting from MMC", you have left the realm of simple end user and become a hacker. Welcome to the club! It is fun, rewarding, and frustrating. But to claim to be a "simple end user", you would not even try to install applications like BecomeRoot or apps that might require root privileges. An end user is someone like a friend of mine at work; I flashed her device to OS2008 and she remains within the apps browsable through Application Manager. When you want to be restrained by your device, then the Apple iPhone is the right thing for you. When you want the -sometimes difficult- ability to extend your device beyond the imaginings of even its developers, then something like the maemo-based IT, or an S60 phone is for you. Pros and cons to both sides, but that is the simple presentation. enjoy hacking on your 770, you are definitely in the club now! K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: BECOMEROOT
sebastian maemo wrote: > That's fucking nonsense. > > There's a chaos in deb packages maintaining and distribution... It's > obviously Nokia's fault... Or maybe it's my fault because I've bought > a Nokia 770 without getting first a master degree in computer > science... (is that what Marius means in his PD??). > > I think that I'll be able to get my 770 booting again from MMC, but > this kind of things should never happen. At least to a simple end user... > Right on all counts except one: it's not Nokia's fault. It's Linux in general. It is absolutely absurd that there are thousands of "flavors" of Linux out there, and none of them are compatible with each other. Anything you learn in one Linux distribution is nearly useless in another, because they've rearranged the file system, or used a slightly different name for something, or didn't see fit to include some critical driver or other dependency in the kernal or installation. Even when they are "based" on a common major distribution, the differences end up being critical. And don't get me started on the different methods of package management or the difficulty of compiling & installing anything that didn't come with the distribution. The word you used was exactly appropriate: "chaos". The day that Linux distributions stop fighting each other and start working together, Linux will immediately take over the world. Until then, Linux will never be a serious threat to the closed OS's. No matter how user-friendly they make the install process or the basic included software, the extreme difficulty of adding functionality is just way too far beyond even the moderately savvy computer user's ability. I've even programmed on Unix/Linux systems (and made top marks in every one of those courses), and I *still* can't get the simplest program compiled and installed. That said, at least Nokia went with one of the more common distributions on which to base its system: debian. It could have been a whole lot worse. And the differences from full debian systems were necessary because of space, power and other constraints related to cramming what is fundamentally a whole computer into a tiny handheld unit. But I'm right there with you on the frustration level... Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: BECOMEROOT
2008/4/15, Frantisek Dufka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > It is still here > > http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deband > since it is simple shell script it should work on any system including > OS2006, just install/click the deb directly, do not add Bora repository. > Again, I must thank Frantisek for his help. He also helped me a lot when I was truly upset for not being able to install a root file system in the MMC. At that time, I didn't even know how to edit a file with "vim"... With his kind help, I finally succeeded, and then wrote a howto where I described all the steps I followed, with his guidance. Just to be helpful and grateful to the linux maemo community. I must admit that it was really hard, but I learned a lot I didn't know about linux systems and basic administration. But it's too much, right? I cannot accept that a deb package in a bora folder is going to be useful for a mistral distribution. It's good that (as you kindly warn me) it's a simple shell script and should work anyway... but I don't want to know it. For me it's too much... I don't want to check the contents of deb packages to see whether they are going to work on my 770 or not. Bora means N800 and that's it. I'm supposed not to even touch that folder. I'm not ashamed to be a linux ignorant, by the way. When I bought my 770 nobody warned me that if I wasn't a linux hacker then my little device would only be useful to surf the web (slowly and without Flash and Java features). I can install lots of applications in my cellphone (also a Nokia). But I can install only a few applications in the 770, unless I do a (non-trivial) trick to install them on the MMC. To learn that trick was really hard. And Frantisek helped me a lot with that. Now, the package I need is gone to another folder. A folder I'm supposed not to check because I'm using mistral distribution... That's fucking nonsense. There's a chaos in deb packages maintaining and distribution... It's obviously Nokia's fault... Or maybe it's my fault because I've bought a Nokia 770 without getting first a master degree in computer science... (is that what Marius means in his PD??). I think that I'll be able to get my 770 booting again from MMC, but this kind of things should never happen. At least to a simple end user... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Web-browser memory consumption on OS2008
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Mark Somerville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 02:36:42PM -0600, Mark wrote: > > and wouldn't pop up the on-screen keyboard. > > You should be able to press the middle button of the d-pad to get the > on-screen thumb keyboard up. At least, I can on my N800. > > Mark > That's helpful (I had forgotten that trick), and does allow me to *add* text to what's in the location bar, but it won't let me delete what's already in there, so I'm still stuck. I think this alpha release is targeted specifically for the N810 and assumes a hardware keyboard, for which hopefully the backspace and delete keys will work. I'll test that theory when I get home to my USB keyboard. I'm really wishing I could afford a folding bluetooth keyboard right now... Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Web-browser memory consumption on OS2008
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 02:36:42PM -0600, Mark wrote: > and wouldn't pop up the on-screen keyboard. You should be able to press the middle button of the d-pad to get the on-screen thumb keyboard up. At least, I can on my N800. Mark pgpR7ySYCVkau.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Web-browser memory consumption on OS2008
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Tony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sadly not. I tried Fennec earlier today and unfortunately I found it an even > bigger memory-hog than the current browser. In fact it actually managed to > top 100%, which could have been entertaining without a swap-file. > I just installed Fennec, and while it did hog resources on start-up, it seemed fine after that. Except I couldn't enter any text to go to sites other than Mozilla, because it wouldn't show me a menu (so I could paste text) and wouldn't pop up the on-screen keyboard. I'll try it again when I get where I can hook up a USB keyboard and see if that will allow me to actually browse the Web, but it looks like it will be useless on the N800 until they come out with the public version that includes full functionality. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, Marius, after you rebooted, how does the touch screen operate? Better, > worse, same? > Thanks, > > > Nick. > For me, the recalibration seems to take effect immediately (reboot not necessary, and in fact makes no difference), but I can't get the touch screen to work any better. I used to know how to trick the calibration utility into greater accuracy on my Handspring Visor Deluxe by deliberately missing the targets in very specific ways, but that doesn't seem to work on the N800/OS2008. It seems that the calibration utility in OS2008 isn't in sync with the rest of the OS. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark, > > What I have done in the past is go to application manager, identify the web > site (through the catalog) that actually hosts the files for the particular > application I'm interested in, go there and get the files. For some, I have > e-mails with links to where they are (I've also stored some as favorites). > > > Nick. If it's in the application manager, you can install it from there. My problem is that what I want to install isn't in the catalog for OS2008, but it is hosted in the maemo repository - and *only* in the repository. There are no addresses anywhere except for that maemo repository, which I haven't been successful in browsing. There has to be some generic Linux way of grabbing the file, given the info in the .install file, but I haven't been able to find it yet. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
So, Marius, after you rebooted, how does the touch screen operate? Better, worse, same? Thanks, Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marius Gedminas Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 13:03 To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:38:47PM -0600, Mark wrote: > Regarding the touch screen: I have the newest version of OS2008 on my > N800, and there definitely are issues with the accuracy. I've tried > calibrating many times, but it doesn't seem to help. At one point I thought my N800 was hopelessly broken, but then I discovered that touchscreen calibration didn't actually have any effect until the next reboot. Bug or just bad UI? Marius Gedminas -- Only great masters of style can succeed in being obtuse. -- Oscar Wilde Most UNIX programmers are great masters of style. -- The Unnamed Usenetter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
Mark, What I have done in the past is go to application manager, identify the web site (through the catalog) that actually hosts the files for the particular application I'm interested in, go there and get the files. For some, I have e-mails with links to where they are (I've also stored some as favorites). Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:39 To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:58 AM, Tony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main problem with apps that haven't been "released" for OS2008 is the > install file you get when you click on the icon on the Maemo site. That > checks the OS version and chokes if it's wrong. You'll find a lot of apps can > be installed by going straight to the .deb file instead. > Unfortunately, the .deb files can be very difficult to track down. I realize that they're trying to protect novices from themselves, but it sure isn't very user-friendly. Can you explain how to extract a .deb file from the repository? I've tried every trick I can think of, and some apps simply don't give any access to the .deb file. Regarding the touch screen: I have the newest version of OS2008 on my N800, and there definitely are issues with the accuracy. I've tried calibrating many times, but it doesn't seem to help. I'm constantly frustrated with getting spaces instead of bottom-row keys when using the stylus with the on-screen keyboard. Clicking on links on Web pages can be challenging as well. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Web-browser memory consumption on OS2008
On Tuesday 15 Apr 2008, Gary wrote: > Have you tried using adblock plus for MicroB? > http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ Interesting to see that it exists (I was unaware) but I can't see how it would help unless there are ads on the page that can be blocked. I'm getting high memory use even on my own content, which obviously doesn't have anything I want to block... -- Tony Green Ipswich, Suffolk, England http://www.beermad.org.uk http://no2id-ip.web-brewer.co.uk ** This message is digitally signed. If your email client is unable to read digital signatures, you may see an attachment that you cannot open. See http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html for more information. You can validate my PGP key from my website: http://www.beermad.org.uk/ * No Micro$oft products were used in the generation of this communication signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Web-browser memory consumption on OS2008
Have you tried using adblock plus for MicroB? http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:38:47PM -0600, Mark wrote: > Regarding the touch screen: I have the newest version of OS2008 on my > N800, and there definitely are issues with the accuracy. I've tried > calibrating many times, but it doesn't seem to help. At one point I thought my N800 was hopelessly broken, but then I discovered that touchscreen calibration didn't actually have any effect until the next reboot. Bug or just bad UI? Marius Gedminas -- Only great masters of style can succeed in being obtuse. -- Oscar Wilde Most UNIX programmers are great masters of style. -- The Unnamed Usenetter signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Tuesday 15 Apr 2008, Mark wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:58 AM, Tony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The main problem with apps that haven't been "released" for OS2008 is > > the install file you get when you click on the icon on the Maemo site. > > That checks the OS version and chokes if it's wrong. You'll find a lot of > > apps can be installed by going straight to the .deb file instead. > > Unfortunately, the .deb files can be very difficult to track down. I > realize that they're trying to protect novices from themselves, but it > sure isn't very user-friendly. Can you explain how to extract a .deb > file from the repository? I've tried every trick I can think of, and > some apps simply don't give any access to the .deb file. If you're lucky, it might be available from the Mamo Garage (http://garage.maemo.org) - at least if developers are hosting the files there like I am with my ports. Failing that, you should be able to track the file down, albeit with a bit of fiddling about, by looking in the install file. If you point a browser at the value given in the line starting "uri" there's a chance you'll find a small number of directories under that location. Hunt through those and you should find the file. There's probably an easy way to predict where to go, but I don't understand the structure enough to say what it is. > > Regarding the touch screen: I have the newest version of OS2008 on my > N800, and there definitely are issues with the accuracy. I've tried > calibrating many times, but it doesn't seem to help. I'm constantly > frustrated with getting spaces instead of bottom-row keys when using > the stylus with the on-screen keyboard. Clicking on links on Web pages > can be challenging as well. Another problem I've found with it is that there are a lot of repeated characters. Annoyingly, it seems most keen on them in password fields where they're instantly replaced by stars, so you can't see whether or not it's happened. -- Tony Green Ipswich, Suffolk, England http://www.beermad.org.uk http://no2id-ip.web-brewer.co.uk ** This message is digitally signed. If your email client is unable to read digital signatures, you may see an attachment that you cannot open. See http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html for more information. You can validate my PGP key from my website: http://www.beermad.org.uk/ * No Micro$oft products were used in the generation of this communication ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Web-browser memory consumption on OS2008
On Tuesday 15 Apr 2008, Erik Hovland wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 06:42:42PM +0100, Tony Green wrote: > > Has anybody else noticed that the web browser seems to take an awful lot > > of memory up on OS2008? > > I've noticed it too. This gets especially worse with embedded flash, > like youtube and its ilk. > Help should be on the way: > http://gizmodo.com/378045/mobile-firefox-is-six-times-faster-than-nokias-br >owser-on-the-n810 Sadly not. I tried Fennec earlier today and unfortunately I found it an even bigger memory-hog than the current browser. In fact it actually managed to top 100%, which could have been entertaining without a swap-file. -- Tony Green Ipswich, Suffolk, England http://www.beermad.org.uk http://no2id-ip.web-brewer.co.uk ** This message is digitally signed. If your email client is unable to read digital signatures, you may see an attachment that you cannot open. See http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html for more information. You can validate my PGP key from my website: http://www.beermad.org.uk/ * No Micro$oft products were used in the generation of this communication ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:58 AM, Tony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main problem with apps that haven't been "released" for OS2008 is the > install file you get when you click on the icon on the Maemo site. That > checks the OS version and chokes if it's wrong. You'll find a lot of apps can > be installed by going straight to the .deb file instead. > Unfortunately, the .deb files can be very difficult to track down. I realize that they're trying to protect novices from themselves, but it sure isn't very user-friendly. Can you explain how to extract a .deb file from the repository? I've tried every trick I can think of, and some apps simply don't give any access to the .deb file. Regarding the touch screen: I have the newest version of OS2008 on my N800, and there definitely are issues with the accuracy. I've tried calibrating many times, but it doesn't seem to help. I'm constantly frustrated with getting spaces instead of bottom-row keys when using the stylus with the on-screen keyboard. Clicking on links on Web pages can be challenging as well. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Web-browser memory consumption on OS2008
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 06:42:42PM +0100, Tony Green wrote: > Has anybody else noticed that the web browser seems to take an awful lot of > memory up on OS2008? I've noticed it too. This gets especially worse with embedded flash, like youtube and its ilk. > Not that I've any idea what it used on OS2007, as I don't think I ever > looked. > But it seems rather excessive - any suggestions as to how to reduce the > footprint? As I'm using the browser to display pages from the on-board > Apache server, built from the on-board MySQL database, I must be swapping an > awful lot... Help should be on the way: http://gizmodo.com/378045/mobile-firefox-is-six-times-faster-than-nokias-browser-on-the-n810 But you are on your own with the apache and mysql resource requirements ;) E -- Erik Hovland mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://hovland.org/ PGP/GPG public key available on request ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Web-browser memory consumption on OS2008
This will hopefully change when the new gecko engine is ready for prime time. Currently, it's a resource hog. I've noticed the same for Opera and others on both Mac OS X and Linux. q.v. http://preview.tinyurl.com/2b9ude -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Web-browser memory consumption on OS2008
Has anybody else noticed that the web browser seems to take an awful lot of memory up on OS2008? Running "top" shows the browser process usually using more than 85% of memory, frequently well over 90%. Not that I've any idea what it used on OS2007, as I don't think I ever looked. But it seems rather excessive - any suggestions as to how to reduce the footprint? As I'm using the browser to display pages from the on-board Apache server, built from the on-board MySQL database, I must be swapping an awful lot... -- Tony Green Ipswich, Suffolk, England http://www.beermad.org.uk http://no2id-ip.web-brewer.co.uk ** This message is digitally signed. If your email client is unable to read digital signatures, you may see an attachment that you cannot open. See http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html for more information. You can validate my PGP key from my website: http://www.beermad.org.uk/ * No Micro$oft products were used in the generation of this communication signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Support for external screen
I have bought a StarTech.com USB 2.0 to VGA Display Adapter (model USB2VGA2), connected it to my N810 (using a powered hub, I haven't tried without), built the sisusbvga.ko driver and loaded it and it works! I can display pictures on a VGA screen using the "sisbit" test program! But displaying pictures doesn't help much: my real goal is to be able to display presentations. My immediate next task is to work out how to tell the system how to load the sisusbvga driver automatically when I connect the device (I presume that is a simple piece of udev conf file magic). Once I have done that I can create a package if anyone else is interested. The more difficult task is going to be to build an Xserver which can use the sisusb VGA device. I can't add a driver to the built-in Xserver on the N810 because it isn't modular. My current thoughts were to try to adapt the sisusb driver from X.org to the KDrive Tiny X server and port that to Maemo. Any advice or insight into whether that is a good idea would be welcome. The other approach, of course, would be to port the whole of X.org but that seemed like a huge task. I haven't decided what to do about input devices: one option is to make a USB keyboard and USB mouse connected to the same hub work and make it completely independent of the Internet Tablet input. But a better option might be something like x2x. Or maybe I can just make the presentation display work with no input from the target Xserver. Any ideas, suggestions, or offers of help (particularly from anyone familiar with X.org) would be very welcome. Graham ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: BECOMEROOT
Good afternoon! On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 01:10:41PM +0100, sebastian maemo wrote: > Thank you very much to the developers and maintainers of the pages: > > http://mg.pov.lt/770 That would be me. > because they had a folder for MAEMO distributions (that is ITOS 2006) with > the package BECOMEROOT in it, and now they had ERASED it completely. Not quite -- I moved becomeroot 0.1 deb to a different folder (obsolete) because there was a new version of becomeroot out there (0.2) that had quite different behaviour, and I wanted to avoid confusion. (I don't think I ever removed a package completely. Maybe once, when the package in question was so broken that it could brick your device.) > Nevertheless, http://mg.pov.lt/770 has kept a folder called "obsolete" with > a package becomeroot in it, but it doesn't work. Please define "doesn't work". I had used it successfully on my 770. Note that becomeroot 0.1 allowed you to do "sudo su" to get a root shell, while becomeroot 0.2 was changed and had you use "sudo gainroot" instead. I don't know what precisely you expected, but if you ever installed becomeroot form my repo, you should be able to "sudo su". > It's great that they help us so much. I'm glad you appreciate it. > I've just reflashed my 770 and won't > be able to easily become root again unless I buy an N800 and install BORA on > it. There are many ways of getting root that are a bit simpler than that. (Although I would recommend getting a N800 or N810, as the hardware is nicer than the 770.) > I wish I had downloaded and saved the deb packages. Now I'm fucked. > > Fucking thanks. Have a nice day! Marius Gedminas -- Be yourself. Especially, do not feign respect for technical incompetance. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Support for external screen
2008/4/15 Peter Flynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Kevin T. Neely wrote: > > Funny you should ask. I was just perusing the S60 blogs, and there > > was a link to the NoBounds project on the internettablettalk.com > > forums. Give it a search, there's a video, and it looks to be what > > you are looking for. (sadly, the video is not working on my tablet, > > so you may need to hunt up a desktop machine to view it) > > Me too, although all I want is to be able to display a PDF presentation, > not full-rate motion video. > > No indication of what this gizmo is, though. I assume a USB connector > with a standard video cable on the end. > > This crowd sell usb to video adaptors mentions windows Vista though, so I guess the drivers could be a problem http://www.displaylink.com/network_display_hardware.html ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
Thanks, Tony, and to everyone else. Because I rely so heavily on my N800 for day-to-day operations, I'm very hesitant about doing anything that will impact that. I have no problem with re-installing the software (although I don't want to) but wanted to make sure the tools I use are there. My plan now is to get the software that will run, based upon everyone's comments, and put them on my SD card (I have many but some are on my hard disk or on the 'net). Then block time aside for the operation. I will restore my bookmarks but not my settings as recommended by Kevin Neely. Mark, thanks for the info on GPE. I also don't use the file manager but loaded it just because I could and never removed it. Now I won't install it. :-) Frantisek, your comment regarding Diablo, I may just wait and see how that shakes out before upgrading. And I do use my touch screen (when my Bluetooth keyboard isn't handy) often to take notes in meetings. So if that is still a problem I may have to make sure I have my keyboard with me whenever I travel. Again, to all - thanks! As always, this is a great forum with great help! Regards, Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Green Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 03:59 To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions On Monday 14 Apr 2008, Mark wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And, lastly, for the applications that require no changes, e.g. no new > > binaries, will they show up after I upgrade or do I have to re-install > > them? > > You'll have to reinstall them. When upgrading within a major release > (e.g. from 2.2007.50-2 to 2.2007.51-3) you can use the backup function > to backup and then reinstall everything. However, when upgrading from > one major release to another (e.g. OS2007 to OS2008), you'll probably > have to reinstall everything manually, and not every app has been > migrated to OS2008. The application manager won't allow you to install > 2007 apps on a 2008 OS. The main problem with apps that haven't been "released" for OS2008 is the install file you get when you click on the icon on the Maemo site. That checks the OS version and chokes if it's wrong. You'll find a lot of apps can be installed by going straight to the .deb file instead. It took me a while to get round to putting MySQL and Apache on the repository because I'd just installed from my own builds and hadn't noticed that I needed a new install file. -- Tony Green Ipswich, Suffolk, England http://www.beermad.org.uk http://no2id-ip.web-brewer.co.uk ** This message is digitally signed. If your email client is unable to read digital signatures, you may see an attachment that you cannot open. See http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html for more information. You can validate my PGP key from my website: http://www.beermad.org.uk/ * No Micro$oft products were used in the generation of this communication ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: BECOMEROOT
sebastian maemo wrote: > because they had a folder for MAEMO distributions (that is ITOS 2006) > with the package BECOMEROOT in it, and now they had ERASED it completely. ... > It's great that they help us so much. I've just reflashed my 770 and > won't be able to easily become root again unless I buy an N800 and > install BORA on it. It is still here http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb and since it is simple shell script it should work on any system including OS2006, just install/click the deb directly, do not add Bora repository. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: BECOMEROOT
2008/4/15, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > There is no need to be so upset ... Yes, there is. Definitely. You can still do it the old way : > > - Switch to R&D mode (with the linux flasher > - edit the gainroot shell script Yeah, sure, why not? You're done ;) Yes, I'm done... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
BECOMEROOT
Thank you very much to the developers and maintainers of the pages: http://mg.pov.lt/770 and http://eko.one.pl/maemo because they had a folder for MAEMO distributions (that is ITOS 2006) with the package BECOMEROOT in it, and now they had ERASED it completely. Nevertheless, http://mg.pov.lt/770 has kept a folder called "obsolete" with a package becomeroot in it, but it doesn't work. It's great that they help us so much. I've just reflashed my 770 and won't be able to easily become root again unless I buy an N800 and install BORA on it. I wish I had downloaded and saved the deb packages. Now I'm fucked. Fucking thanks. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Monday 14 Apr 2008, Mark wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And, lastly, for the applications that require no changes, e.g. no new > > binaries, will they show up after I upgrade or do I have to re-install > > them? > > You'll have to reinstall them. When upgrading within a major release > (e.g. from 2.2007.50-2 to 2.2007.51-3) you can use the backup function > to backup and then reinstall everything. However, when upgrading from > one major release to another (e.g. OS2007 to OS2008), you'll probably > have to reinstall everything manually, and not every app has been > migrated to OS2008. The application manager won't allow you to install > 2007 apps on a 2008 OS. The main problem with apps that haven't been "released" for OS2008 is the install file you get when you click on the icon on the Maemo site. That checks the OS version and chokes if it's wrong. You'll find a lot of apps can be installed by going straight to the .deb file instead. It took me a while to get round to putting MySQL and Apache on the repository because I'd just installed from my own builds and hadn't noticed that I needed a new install file. -- Tony Green Ipswich, Suffolk, England http://www.beermad.org.uk http://no2id-ip.web-brewer.co.uk ** This message is digitally signed. If your email client is unable to read digital signatures, you may see an attachment that you cannot open. See http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html for more information. You can validate my PGP key from my website: http://www.beermad.org.uk/ * No Micro$oft products were used in the generation of this communication ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: > So, before I take the plunge and upgrade, I thought I’d put a > list out and try to identify if the existing applications are compatible > with 2008 There are also other things to consider. At least for me the touchscreen worked much worse in OS2008. Last OS2007 firmwares improved N800 touchscreen responsiveness a lot and upgrade to OS2008 was step back to those early days of OS2007 for me. Also next version of OS2008 named Diablo is announced to be released in Q2 with N810 WiMAX edition so it is relatively near. There are many good things in curent OS2008 but there are also bad ones. I hope Diablo will fix some of those things and bring us updated and faster Microb engine with speed similar to Opera in OS2007 :-) Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
