Re: Nokia: Linux Needs to Learn Business
If people are willing to use Open Moko, despite its relative disadvantage in terms of battery lifetime, and bleeding edge features --- that's a tradeoff that Linux geeks can make, if they want. I suspect though that for commercial success, it will be hard for Open Moko to complete in the general population who will always find cool features like GPS, 3G, Wifi and UMA support, etc. very attractive. I speak for my geek pride, more geeks and more hackers, any project like Open Moko will only get better. I remember the days when running Linux on older laptops was a more compatible choice for hackers, and now even the latest greatest hardware runs Linux out of the box, this is just to mention now and then of PC market basically. There will be more examples and there are more stories to be made. I hope you are not mistaken, perhaps its Nokia who needs these geeks hackers not those geeks hackers needs Nokia. I do hope Meamo community at large understands that, and I wish them luck. ~Kevin ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia: Linux Needs to Learn Business
I totally agree with you, and all Please remember Open Source is kinda of licensing and it is the way to license the work , not to work and create for single reason which is making it Open Source Please remember as much as Open Source is needed Close Source is Needed How , why, ... ? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia: Linux Needs to Learn Business
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Theodore Tso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 01:01:51PM -0600, Mark wrote: Nokia has the resources to develop its own chips, which it could easily keep open. That would solve the problems for everybody (meaning consumers, developers and Nokia). Many companies can *afford* to build and design new chips from scratch, yes --- but unfortunately companies are not charities. The question is can you create a credible business plan where a single company (and I don't care whether it is Nokia, Lenovoa, Dell, or anyone else) or maybe a consortium of companies, produces a new multi-function wireless chip that does 3G, Wifi, and everything else, and at the very least breaks even compared with the cost of buying that same component from Broadcom, or whatever supplier they might happen to have. Making more open design hardware is exactly the problem Nokia needs to solve instead of solving GPL. Remember, the mobile business is a highly competitive one, and if it costs an extra $20 per handset, that company will be hugely disadvantaged when they try to get carriers to pick up their phones (at least in the US market, where 99% of cell phones are sold through carriers). And if you think someone is going to put down a huge capital investment just to create an open chipset for the relatively small internet tablet market, and do it in a way that won't lose vast amounts of money, you're *really* smoking something pretty good. You really give me some reason to strong my belief that Nokia has no guts to say Linux can be a better preposition ever than Sybian is. But they're not doing it out of fear of backlash from the closed community. Heaven help the company that sticks its neck out and breaks the industry wide open for *real* innovation... I don't think it has anything to do with that at all. It's about a creating valid business plan where it at least breaks even, especially since the number of people that would actually pay extra for open device drivers is very small. I happen to be one of them, but I *know* that I am in the minority. Open drivers for an open design will probably even cost nothing to Nokia , I really hope so. It's just like in the airline business, where people will kvetch about comfort, and lack of hot food in economy class, but where time and time again, it has been proven that when it comes down to deciding whether to fly with airline X or airline Y, the vast majority of customers overwhelmingly go with whatever is cheapest. If you think you're so smart, and can figure a way to make money while breaking the industry wide open, I can certainly introduce you to a few VC's (and VC's are really good at shredding six business plans before breakfast --- well, at least during multiple breakfast meetings. :-) Let there be a non Nokia dependent Maemo community, who needs VCs ? Let there be fair models of business and true service values; Serve well or get slapped, works best for real FOSS companies customers. ~kevin ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Postal address in Contacts?
I hope this isn't getting heated... :) Kevin T. Neely wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 04:34:09PM -0600, Mark wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:41:48AM -0600, Mark wrote: To follow your logic, No, you're most certainly *not* following my logic. My logic is that physical addresses are something that needs to be looked up, whereas I am. Your logic was, If the tablet does not do X, it does not need to store Y Well, following that, there is no need to store physical addresses because the tablet cannot send actual, physical mail. It's a stupid permutation but it does follow the logic trail you laid in the earlier e-mail. Actually, that's not how I read it; I saw something more like: you don't need to lookup phone numbers on it because the phone does it better and doesn't use the Contacts DB. Also you don't need to lookup email addresses for similar reasons. However, very few paper envelopes have a lookup facility - and having a portable little black book is better than having to go back to my desktop machine. I can use my N800 at home, I can't use my desktop out and about. The point being that the N800 Contacts app is so anaemic that it makes no sense to use it. It's a cheap plastic toy - sorry. ...and neither can its owner if they can't find the address... That's just circular, and you know it. If we follow that, then the information it stored you thought was useless is not so. A phone number cannot be dialled w/o the owner. Nor an e-mail address. 'Useless' is demonstrably wrong - 'almost never relevant in real world conditions' is more like it. The tablet is, to me, an electronic communications device. Would I like for *all* my contact information to be in there? Of course, but if we have to pick and choose, then it makes sense to have the information that is immediately useful, like phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and IM addresses (the latter two pretty much the same, heck, with VOIP, all three pretty much the same). Why do we have to pick and choose? Oh, is it because someone decided to start from scratch? Again. Not that that matters much. The tablet is meant to be online. The newest version is WIMAX-enabled, which should give a good idea of where Nokia is going with it. A device of the future, always connected. I wonder whether it should have an LDAP server in there. One I can sync back to my LDAP or my service provider's, or a subset of my organisations or my google group online community or ... Hmm, why am I saying 'or'. David ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Postal address in Contacts?
Hi, ext Mark Haury wrote: The tablet is, to me, an electronic communications device. Would I like for *all* my contact information to be in there? Of course, but if we have to pick and choose, then it makes sense to have the information that is immediately useful, like phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and IM addresses (the latter two pretty much the same, heck, with VOIP, all three pretty much the same). Here's the biggest flaw in your argument: if there's already a contacts app with even one field, it's utterly trivial to add more fields, and criminal not to do so. It's not an issue of picking and choosing. The app exists, it's just deliberately crippled, just like all those crippled locked cell phones out there. In general, the more stuff you put to the UI the more complicated it becomes to the user, but good UI design should be able to help with that. Although I might not agree with everything you said, :-) I think your first mail was well argumented, maybe you could file an enhancement request to bugs.maemo.org (if there isn't similar one yet)? - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Postal address in Contacts?
Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, ext Mark Haury wrote: The tablet is, to me, an electronic communications device. Would I like for *all* my contact information to be in there? Of course, but if we have to pick and choose, then it makes sense to have the information that is immediately useful, like phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and IM addresses (the latter two pretty much the same, heck, with VOIP, all three pretty much the same). Here's the biggest flaw in your argument: if there's already a contacts app with even one field, it's utterly trivial to add more fields, and criminal not to do so. It's not an issue of picking and choosing. The app exists, it's just deliberately crippled, just like all those crippled locked cell phones out there. In general, the more stuff you put to the UI the more complicated it becomes to the user, but good UI design should be able to help with that. Although I might not agree with everything you said, :-) I think your first mail was well argumented, maybe you could file an enhancement request to bugs.maemo.org (if there isn't similar one yet)? I'm new to this : Is Contacts proprietary? It seems behind the OSS curve rather than ahead of it so it would make no business sense for it to be closed. David ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Postal address in Contacts?
-[ Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:40:46AM +0100, David Greaves ] I'm new to this : Is Contacts proprietary? Apparently, yes it is. I'm also new to this, and like you I don't understand what trade secret could lie in there :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Postal address in Contacts?
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:12:35PM +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, ext Mark Haury wrote: The tablet is, to me, an electronic communications device. Would I like for *all* my contact information to be in there? Of course, but if we have to pick and choose, then it makes sense to have the information that is immediately useful, like phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and IM addresses (the latter two pretty much the same, heck, with VOIP, all three pretty much the same). Here's the biggest flaw in your argument: if there's already a contacts app with even one field, it's utterly trivial to add more fields, and criminal not to do so. It's not an issue of picking and choosing. The app exists, it's just deliberately crippled, just like all those crippled locked cell phones out there. In general, the more stuff you put to the UI the more complicated it becomes to the user, but good UI design should be able to help with that. Although I might not agree with everything you said, :-) I think your first mail was well argumented, maybe you could file an enhancement request to bugs.maemo.org (if there isn't similar one yet)? I was the original poster; I'll try to figure out how to do that. -- hendrik - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Postal address in Contacts?
On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 10:13 +0100, David Greaves wrote: I hope this isn't getting heated... :) However, very few paper envelopes have a lookup facility - and having a portable little black book is better than having to go back to my desktop machine. I can use my N800 at home, I can't use my desktop out and about. The point being that the N800 Contacts app is so anaemic that it makes no sense to use it. It's a cheap plastic toy - sorry. As a user of the N800 I have to hardily agree with this. The contacts app is very poor. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Postal address in Contacts?
Just a matter of clarification: While I think that the Contacts application that ships with the tablets is pointless, there are two other options that do most of what I need. I'm using gpe-contacts, and I've also tried Pimlico just to see what it's like. Neither properly imported all the fields properly, but they are at least usable. Gpe didn't match the fields properly (which is annoying but not fatal), and Pimlico entered the quote marks in all the fields, which between the two issues is a bigger problem for me. However, if you ignore the import/export issues and limitations, either is adequate for the job. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Android on a Nokia N95 captured on video (UNverified)
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/18/android-on-a-nokia-n95-captured-on-video/ stress that this is NOT verified in any way, video only demo with no supporting info is easy to fake. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Postal address in Contacts?
I've pointed out to both Nokia and Wayfinder that if the Contacts app would support all fields that Evolution will support (and Evolution most certainly will support physical addresses) and that if Wayfinder were to integrate that, then you could have all your contacts as waypoints, and easily navigate to them (this would be an example of how the device could actually benefit from having the physical addresses). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Removing unneeded langages
Has anyone tried to remove any of the local file that are not needed? It looks like there are over 800+ files I could remove and free up some space. Thanks, Denis ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Screwed up my battery status
I was trying to delete my non-needed local files and ended up deleted hildon-status-bar-battery and osso-dsm-ui anyone know where to get these without doing a full install? Thanks, Denis ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
