Re: Wayfinder Map app won't update

2008-06-20 Thread Denis Dimick
I'm very weary of doing un-installs, it seems some of the packages don't
properly un-install, they over un-install; remove more then they should.

Denis

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't think that works. I think it's an upgrade-only package and
> doesn't include the full package. It's definitely smaller than the
> full install download. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, and the
> upgrade still showed on the list afterward.
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Martin Grimme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > You could also uninstall the installed version first. Then you will be
> > able to install the new version without problems.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > 2008/6/20, Denis Dimick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> The other way to upgrade would be to open X-Windows, become root, then
> enter
> >> this command: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
> >>
> >> The first command updates your repository list, the second upgrades any
> >> packages found. the ";" just tells unix to run the second command after
> the
> >> first.
> >>
> >> HtH,
> >>
> >> Denis
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Faheem Pervez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > I believe the Map application can be updated in Red Pill mode:
> >>> > http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode/
> >>> >
> >>> > Remember to put it back into BluePill mode after updating.
> >>> >
> >>> > Regards,
> >>> >
> >>> > Faheem
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> Great! That did the trick. Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Mark
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Re: Postal address in Contacts?

2008-06-20 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 20 June 2008 20:20:08 Mark wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:38 PM, George Farris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 18:09 +0100, Graham Cobb wrote:
> >> This has been added to gpe-contacts (by Florian Boor), it is currently
> >> in the code in SVN (and hence in my daily builds, for the GPE team to
> >> test).  It will be in the new release of GPE for Maemo which I hope to
> >> have available for testing around the end of this month.
> >
> > Are you going to have an option for it to talk to EDS, I sure hope so.
>...
> If gpe-contacts doesn't already use EDS, it seems like it would be a
> *major* rewrite to accommodate it, and probably not worth the effort.

It has been talked about on the GPE list and, if I remember correctly, someone 
did start looking into it (the rewrite would be limited to re-implementing  
the libcontactsdb library, allowing the applications to not change).  But I 
haven't heard anything recently.  Certainly it won't be in the update in the 
next few weeks.

Graham
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Re: Wayfinder Map app won't update

2008-06-20 Thread Ryan Abel
+1 on this. This is definitely the most straightforward route for most  
people.

On Jun 20, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Martin Grimme wrote:

> You could also uninstall the installed version first. Then you will be
> able to install the new version without problems.

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Re: Postal address in Contacts?

2008-06-20 Thread Mark
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Patrick Ohly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 13:20 -0600, Mark wrote:
> [EDS integration for GPE]
>> From what I'm learning about the Evolution Data Server, it *could* be
>> a good thing, but only if you don't forget to add significant import &
>> export (and possibly external sync) functionality.
>
> SyncEvolution already does that for EDS. It supports incremental syncs
> (just send modified items), so you can edit one contact on the tablet,
> another contact on the desktop, sync, and not loose one of these
> modifications. Your manual import/export is way more cumbersome than
> that. If it suits you, by all means, continue using it, but I expect
> more from my devices.
>

No, it doesn't. A sync is a sync is a sync, no matter what you call
it, and always is limited by the inherent limitations of sync.

Here's an example scenario: what happens if you want to sync something
from EDS with an app in Windows on the same dual-boot machine? Not
gonna happen! With import/export, though, all you have to do is export
to a partition that is writable by both OSs, then boot into Windows
and do the import. (Or put it on a USB drive, or email it to yourself,
or.)

>> The fundamental issue is that it's still up to the app developers to
>> deal with import, export & sync. The EDS doesn't do any of that.
>
> Instead of implementing import/export or even sync for each app, it
> makes a lot more sense to implement it once for a common back end.
>

True, but you've got a chicken-and-egg problem there. EDS doesn't have
a front-end that's capable of import/export. Sync, yes; import/export,
no. It's also a command line-only product at this point (and
configured by separate files - ugh!), which is a major drawback for
most consumers. If they implement a GUI for SyncEvolution as well as
true import/export, then great!

The problem is that your vision is very narrow: you're thinking only
in terms of Linux, and specifically the Nokia tablets and Evolution.

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Re: Postal address in Contacts?

2008-06-20 Thread Mark
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Patrick Ohly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:53 -0600, Mark wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Patrick Ohly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>  Powerful, painless import and export
>> >> (and sync) are our friends.
>> >
>> > And you have that today? As someone who has worked on sync technology
>> > for quite a while now I can tell you that getting it right is exactly
>> > the PITA that you complain about. It just gets worse the more programs
>> > you want to sync with.
>> >
>>
>> I put "and sync" in parentheses for a reason: import and export is
>> easier to use and more powerful than sync, and at the same time is
>> easier to implement.
>
> It's less powerful. The user is restricted to an "edit on one device",
> "export", "import on second device", "edit there" cycle. True syncing is
> more flexible, but indeed, more difficult to implement.
>

No, sync is limited to certain types of physical connections, certain
protocols, certain fields, certain devices, etc. Import and export can
be done not only with any type of physical connection, but in fact
completely without one via sneakernet. Given a certain set of fields,
sync usually only works with a specific subset of those, which can
vary by device and/or app. However, if you have an exported file with
*all* the fields, each separate device or app can take advantage of
every field of which it is capable, without further limiting other
devices/apps further down the line, which all also have access to the
original set of fields.

You are confusing "convenience" with "flexibility". Syncing can be a
whole lot more *convenient*, once you have it properly set up (which
can be a real bear), but it is in no way as flexible or powerful as
import/export.


>> >> Integrated=proprietary+closed+PITA.
>> >> Import+Export=complete freedom between many completely different apps,
>> >> not only apps that perform similar functions, but completely different
>> >> functions.
>> >>
>> >> And the vCard format is incredibly clunky and limited. Not the best
>> >> choice for the only supported format.
>> >
>> > So what is the alternative format that gives you this "complete freedom
>> > between many completely different apps ... [with] completely different
>> > functions"?
>>
>> Easy! Plain old CSV format. It allows for any number of fields of any
>> size and data type, and good implementation of import uses templates
>> to eliminate repetition of field matching after the first time. I've
>> been using CSV for transporting data between completely different apps
>> for many years, and my experience with the N800 is the first time I've
>> had any issues with import/export.
>
> Isn't CSV limited to a fixed number of columns? How do you deal with
> contacts which can have an unlimited number of addresses, phone numbers,
> etc.?
>

Maybe, but I haven't personally run into any limitations with CSV yet.
I have run into nothing *but* limitations with vCard.

> You might have had negative experiences with specific vCard
> implementations, but the format itself is more flexible than CSV.
>
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>

Not from the standards that I've been reading. The vCard standard has
a very specific and very limited set of data fields. There is no limit
on the type, name, or anything else on CSV fields. CSV is *far* more
flexible than vCard.

The problem with vCard is similar to that of PalmOS. (And it's
probably no coincidence that they were contemporaries.) It started out
with a very specific purpose, and was outstanding at that. However,
when it had an identity crisis and tried to be something new and much
broader, and at the same time keep full compatibility with the old
version, it lost its way and lost the market to the newer competition
that didn't have the old baggage to haul along.

Sometimes standards should be allowed to die. Compatibility at the
expense of usability is not a good tradeoff.

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Re: Postal address in Contacts?

2008-06-20 Thread Patrick Ohly
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 13:20 -0600, Mark wrote:
[EDS integration for GPE]
> From what I'm learning about the Evolution Data Server, it *could* be
> a good thing, but only if you don't forget to add significant import &
> export (and possibly external sync) functionality.

SyncEvolution already does that for EDS. It supports incremental syncs
(just send modified items), so you can edit one contact on the tablet,
another contact on the desktop, sync, and not loose one of these
modifications. Your manual import/export is way more cumbersome than
that. If it suits you, by all means, continue using it, but I expect
more from my devices.

> The fundamental issue is that it's still up to the app developers to
> deal with import, export & sync. The EDS doesn't do any of that.

Instead of implementing import/export or even sync for each app, it
makes a lot more sense to implement it once for a common back end.

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Re: Postal address in Contacts?

2008-06-20 Thread Patrick Ohly
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:53 -0600, Mark wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Patrick Ohly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>  Powerful, painless import and export
> >> (and sync) are our friends.
> >
> > And you have that today? As someone who has worked on sync technology
> > for quite a while now I can tell you that getting it right is exactly
> > the PITA that you complain about. It just gets worse the more programs
> > you want to sync with.
> >
> 
> I put "and sync" in parentheses for a reason: import and export is
> easier to use and more powerful than sync, and at the same time is
> easier to implement.

It's less powerful. The user is restricted to an "edit on one device",
"export", "import on second device", "edit there" cycle. True syncing is
more flexible, but indeed, more difficult to implement.

> >> Integrated=proprietary+closed+PITA.
> >> Import+Export=complete freedom between many completely different apps,
> >> not only apps that perform similar functions, but completely different
> >> functions.
> >>
> >> And the vCard format is incredibly clunky and limited. Not the best
> >> choice for the only supported format.
> >
> > So what is the alternative format that gives you this "complete freedom
> > between many completely different apps ... [with] completely different
> > functions"?
>
> Easy! Plain old CSV format. It allows for any number of fields of any
> size and data type, and good implementation of import uses templates
> to eliminate repetition of field matching after the first time. I've
> been using CSV for transporting data between completely different apps
> for many years, and my experience with the N800 is the first time I've
> had any issues with import/export.

Isn't CSV limited to a fixed number of columns? How do you deal with
contacts which can have an unlimited number of addresses, phone numbers,
etc.?

You might have had negative experiences with specific vCard
implementations, but the format itself is more flexible than CSV.

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Re: Postal address in Contacts?

2008-06-20 Thread Mark
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:38 PM, George Farris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 18:09 +0100, Graham Cobb wrote:
>> This has been added to gpe-contacts (by Florian Boor), it is currently in the
>> code in SVN (and hence in my daily builds, for the GPE team to test).  It
>> will be in the new release of GPE for Maemo which I hope to have available
>> for testing around the end of this month.
>>
>
> Are you going to have an option for it to talk to EDS, I sure hope so.
>

>From what I'm learning about the Evolution Data Server, it *could* be
a good thing, but only if you don't forget to add significant import &
export (and possibly external sync) functionality. The exact
implementation of the behind-the-scenes database is basically
irrelevant, so long as it's flexible and powerful enough to store
everything needed. Sharing a single database within the device can
potentially save a lot of time, effort, and disk space. However, if
it's done without consideration for the ability to share *all* the
data with other devices & OSs, it's not much of an improvement.

The fundamental issue is that it's still up to the app developers to
deal with import, export & sync. The EDS doesn't do any of that.

If gpe-contacts doesn't already use EDS, it seems like it would be a
*major* rewrite to accommodate it, and probably not worth the effort.

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Re: Postal address in Contacts?

2008-06-20 Thread George Farris
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 18:09 +0100, Graham Cobb wrote:
> On Friday 20 June 2008 16:12:14 Mark wrote:
> > I wouldn't need sync at all if gpe-contacts could export as CSV (or
> > actually anything at all). 
> 
> This has been added to gpe-contacts (by Florian Boor), it is currently in the 
> code in SVN (and hence in my daily builds, for the GPE team to test).  It 
> will be in the new release of GPE for Maemo which I hope to have available 
> for testing around the end of this month.
> 

Are you going to have an option for it to talk to EDS, I sure hope so.


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Re: Wayfinder Map app won't update

2008-06-20 Thread Mark
I don't think that works. I think it's an upgrade-only package and
doesn't include the full package. It's definitely smaller than the
full install download. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, and the
upgrade still showed on the list afterward.

Mark

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Martin Grimme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You could also uninstall the installed version first. Then you will be
> able to install the new version without problems.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
>
>
> 2008/6/20, Denis Dimick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Mark,
>>
>> The other way to upgrade would be to open X-Windows, become root, then enter
>> this command: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
>>
>> The first command updates your repository list, the second upgrades any
>> packages found. the ";" just tells unix to run the second command after the
>> first.
>>
>> HtH,
>>
>> Denis
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Faheem Pervez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I believe the Map application can be updated in Red Pill mode:
>>> > http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode/
>>> >
>>> > Remember to put it back into BluePill mode after updating.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Faheem
>>> >
>>>
>>> Great! That did the trick. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Mark
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Re: Re: Postal address in Contacts?

2008-06-20 Thread Mark
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Graham Cobb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oops.  What I meant to say was that export (in vCard format) is what has been
> added to gpe-contacts.  Not CSV export.
>
> Graham
>

That's still good news - vCard would allow me to get it into Kontacts,
which can then export to whatever format I need. I'll lose some of my
fields, but that sure beats the heck out of nothing. :-)

Maybe the next major version of gpe-contacts could include CSV? It is
much simpler to implement than vCard, especially on the export side...

Mark
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Re: Wayfinder Map app won't update

2008-06-20 Thread Martin Grimme
You could also uninstall the installed version first. Then you will be
able to install the new version without problems.


Cheers,
Martin



2008/6/20, Denis Dimick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Mark,
>
> The other way to upgrade would be to open X-Windows, become root, then enter
> this command: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
>
> The first command updates your repository list, the second upgrades any
> packages found. the ";" just tells unix to run the second command after the
> first.
>
> HtH,
>
> Denis
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Faheem Pervez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > I believe the Map application can be updated in Red Pill mode:
>> > http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode/
>> >
>> > Remember to put it back into BluePill mode after updating.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Faheem
>> >
>>
>> Great! That did the trick. Thanks!
>>
>> Mark
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Fwd: Re: Postal address in Contacts?

2008-06-20 Thread Graham Cobb
Oops.  What I meant to say was that export (in vCard format) is what has been 
added to gpe-contacts.  Not CSV export.

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Subject: Re: Postal address in Contacts?
Date: Friday 20 June 2008
From: Graham Cobb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: maemo-users@maemo.org

On Friday 20 June 2008 16:12:14 Mark wrote:
> I wouldn't need sync at all if gpe-contacts could export as CSV (or
> actually anything at all). 

This has been added to gpe-contacts (by Florian Boor), it is currently in the 
code in SVN (and hence in my daily builds, for the GPE team to test).  It 
will be in the new release of GPE for Maemo which I hope to have available 
for testing around the end of this month.

Also, there have been many fixes to the import code -- many thanks to Gary 
Baribault for his help and his patience in testing.  If there are further 
bugs in the import code, now would be a good time to get them fixed, before 
the next update.

Graham

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Re: Postal address in Contacts?

2008-06-20 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 20 June 2008 16:12:14 Mark wrote:
> I wouldn't need sync at all if gpe-contacts could export as CSV (or
> actually anything at all). 

This has been added to gpe-contacts (by Florian Boor), it is currently in the 
code in SVN (and hence in my daily builds, for the GPE team to test).  It 
will be in the new release of GPE for Maemo which I hope to have available 
for testing around the end of this month.

Also, there have been many fixes to the import code -- many thanks to Gary 
Baribault for his help and his patience in testing.  If there are further 
bugs in the import code, now would be a good time to get them fixed, before 
the next update.

Graham
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Re: Wayfinder Map app won't update

2008-06-20 Thread Denis Dimick
Mark,

The other way to upgrade would be to open X-Windows, become root, then enter
this command: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade

The first command updates your repository list, the second upgrades any
packages found. the ";" just tells unix to run the second command after the
first.

HtH,

Denis

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Faheem Pervez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I believe the Map application can be updated in Red Pill mode:
> > http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode/
> >
> > Remember to put it back into BluePill mode after updating.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Faheem
> >
>
> Great! That did the trick. Thanks!
>
> Mark
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Re: Postal address in Contacts?

2008-06-20 Thread Mark
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Easy! Plain old CSV format. It allows for any number of fields of any
> size and data type, and good implementation of import uses templates
> to eliminate repetition of field matching after the first time. I've
> been using CSV for transporting data between completely different apps
> for many years, and my experience with the N800 is the first time I've
> had any issues with import/export.
>
(Pardon me for answering my own post - I left a couple of things out.)

I should have said "apps and devices". I've used CSV to transfer data
between apps and devices including Works, Access, Excel, PalmOS, EPOC
(Psion Series 5), Eudora, Gmail, various cell phones, and now even to
the N800 with Gnumeric. At least Gnumeric allows me to search and
edit, but a spreadsheet really isn't the most user-friendly format for
this type of data.

Now if I can just figure out how to sync Kontacts with gpe-contacts,
I'll have a work-around for most of the functionality I need. If I can
sync with Kontacts, it will allow me to export the edited data back
out of the tablet, which is currently impossible.

I wouldn't need sync at all if gpe-contacts could export as CSV (or
actually anything at all). Once I get my contacts on a portable
device, I generally do all my editing and updating on that device, and
export the updated data to my desktop as needed.

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Re: Postal address in Contacts?

2008-06-20 Thread Mark
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Patrick Ohly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 17:49 -0600, Mark wrote:
>> However, the argument still stands. Having to open a separate
>> application instead of working directly in the application you are
>> really using is a PITA.
>
> You seem to be unaware that exactly that is possible with the Evolution
> Data Server model which is used by Maemo: one database which multiple
> different programs access using *their own* GUI.
>

I understand that perfectly well. You seem to be unaware that your
argument is exactly the same as Micro$oft's excuse for integrating IE
(and other, more insidious things) into Windows.

>> > Obviously you've not tried Modest. As Kevin tried to explain, Modest
>> > uses the Contacts database, not some silly seperate database, and thus
>> > integrates very nicely with all the other Maemo software.
>>
>> No, I haven't...and now I know *not* to...
>>
>> Every email app I've used to date instantly and painlessly imports and
>> exports address books, which is a darn sight better than Contacts will
>> ever do. Hasn't anybody learned the lesson from Micro$oft/IE that
>> "integration" is a *bad* thing?
>
> Only if it is based on closed data formats and proprietary technology.

Evolution may not be closed, but it may as well be proprietary in the
sense that it is yet another completely different standard and set of
protocols that developers have to learn and work around and it applies
only to Linux, not to any other OS.

>
>>  Powerful, painless import and export
>> (and sync) are our friends.
>
> And you have that today? As someone who has worked on sync technology
> for quite a while now I can tell you that getting it right is exactly
> the PITA that you complain about. It just gets worse the more programs
> you want to sync with.
>

I put "and sync" in parentheses for a reason: import and export is
easier to use and more powerful than sync, and at the same time is
easier to implement. My experience with syncing various things leads
me to believe that it has its place, but is too difficult to implement
well and universally.

>> Integrated=proprietary+closed+PITA.
>> Import+Export=complete freedom between many completely different apps,
>> not only apps that perform similar functions, but completely different
>> functions.
>>
>> And the vCard format is incredibly clunky and limited. Not the best
>> choice for the only supported format.
>
> So what is the alternative format that gives you this "complete freedom
> between many completely different apps ... [with] completely different
> functions"?
>
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> http://www.estamos.de/
>

Easy! Plain old CSV format. It allows for any number of fields of any
size and data type, and good implementation of import uses templates
to eliminate repetition of field matching after the first time. I've
been using CSV for transporting data between completely different apps
for many years, and my experience with the N800 is the first time I've
had any issues with import/export.

As a matter of fact, I finally have all my contacts (more than 600) in
gpe-contacts in my N800 - thanks to CSV. Last night I installed
Kontacts on my kubuntu desktop. It has exactly the kind of powerful
import and export that I've been talking about, and allowed me to
import my .csv files, match fields and create import templates, and
export them all as one large vCard file that gpe-contacts was able to
successfully import. I also exported as a single CSV file that
Gnumeric can open and edit. Unfortunately, I still have a lot of
cleanup to do, because some (but not all) of the field matching issues
are apparently with the vCard format itself rather than gpe-contacts'
import function. It turned out to be a good thing that I exported to
CSV, because that file retained all the data, whereas the vCard file
stripped a lot of it and did strange things with the formatting on
some other fields. I'll have plenty to keep me busy on the bus for a
while...

Mark
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Re: Wayfinder Map app won't update

2008-06-20 Thread Mark
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Faheem Pervez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I believe the Map application can be updated in Red Pill mode:
> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode/
>
> Remember to put it back into BluePill mode after updating.
>
> Regards,
>
> Faheem
>

Great! That did the trick. Thanks!

Mark
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Browser location field showing when I click on a text input field

2008-06-20 Thread Tony Green
For some strange reason, my N800's on-screen keyboard has started acting 
strangely.

When I click on a text input field in the browser, the keyboard pops up, as it 
should but now the location field (where you can type a URL to go somewhere) 
and its associated buttons is appearing at the top of the keyboard as if I'd 
clicked on the location field, whereas it used to just be replaced by the 
keyboard. This means I've got even less usable screen area :-(

Obviously I've managed to change a setting somewhere, but I can't work it out.

Has anybody come across this problem? More to the point, has anybody found a 
solution for it? ;-)
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