Re: New 810 user - a few questions

[Mike Sherman]

Luca Olivetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>En/na Mike Sherman ha escrit:
>> Hello,
>> I'm a new user.  I just got an N810 not two days ago.
>> 
>> One of the apps I really wanted is gnumeric spreadsheet.  Now
>> I see it in the OS2007 listing but not on the OS2008 list and
>> it doesn't appear in the package manager.  Can you run OS2007
>> apps on an OS2008 system, or does it have to be rebuilt for
>> OS2008?
>
>There are exceptions, but normally an app has to be rebuilt, however 
>Nick told you how to get gnumeric (but he didn't tell you that the 
>maemo-extras-devel is for experimental and possibly buggy software, so 
>you should disable it once you have installed gnumeric)

Thanks, I disabled it immediately after installing gnumeric.
 
>> Also, I installed the FM radio applet.  It appears to work
>> but no sound!  Is there something that needs to be enabled?
>
>There's no fm receiver on the n810, only on the n800

I must have been confusing the 700 & 800.  I remembered one had
the radio they didn't tell you about it.  

Not a problem.  I'd rather have the GPS :-)

>Bye
>-- 
>Luca

Thanks,
-Mike


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RE: New 810 user - a few questions

[Mike Sherman]

"Dr. Nicholas Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi, Mike   I can help you w/gnumeric.

>1.  Start application manager



>You should now have gnumeric.

That worked.  
Thanks!

>Nick.

Thanks,
-Mike


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Re: New 810 user - a few questions

[Luca Olivetti]

En/na Mike Sherman ha escrit:
> Hello,
> I'm a new user.  I just got an N810 not two days ago.
> 
> One of the apps I really wanted is gnumeric spreadsheet.  Now
> I see it in the OS2007 listing but not on the OS2008 list and
> it doesn't appear in the package manager.  Can you run OS2007
> apps on an OS2008 system, or does it have to be rebuilt for
> OS2008?

There are exceptions, but normally an app has to be rebuilt, however 
Nick told you how to get gnumeric (but he didn't tell you that the 
maemo-extras-devel is for experimental and possibly buggy software, so 
you should disable it once you have installed gnumeric)

> 
> Also, I installed the FM radio applet.  It appears to work
> but no sound!  Is there something that needs to be enabled?

There's no fm receiver on the n810, only on the n800

Bye
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RE: New 810 user - a few questions

[Dr. Nicholas Shaw]

Hi, Mike   I can help you w/gnumeric.

1.  Start application manager
2.  Go to Tools from the pulldown menu
3.  Select application catalog
4.  Look for maemo-extras-devel and select edit
5.  Uncheck disable and hit ok
6.  Close the catalog and it should refresh

You should now have gnumeric.

Nick.

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On Behalf Of Mike Sherman
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 15:25
To: maemo users
Subject: New 810 user - a few questions

Hello,
I'm a new user.  I just got an N810 not two days ago.

One of the apps I really wanted is gnumeric spreadsheet.  Now
I see it in the OS2007 listing but not on the OS2008 list and
it doesn't appear in the package manager.  Can you run OS2007
apps on an OS2008 system, or does it have to be rebuilt for
OS2008?

Also, I installed the FM radio applet.  It appears to work
but no sound!  Is there something that needs to be enabled?

Thanks,
-Mike in Cleveland, OH, USA


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New 810 user - a few questions

[Mike Sherman]

Hello,
I'm a new user.  I just got an N810 not two days ago.

One of the apps I really wanted is gnumeric spreadsheet.  Now
I see it in the OS2007 listing but not on the OS2008 list and
it doesn't appear in the package manager.  Can you run OS2007
apps on an OS2008 system, or does it have to be rebuilt for
OS2008?

Also, I installed the FM radio applet.  It appears to work
but no sound!  Is there something that needs to be enabled?

Thanks,
-Mike in Cleveland, OH, USA


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Re: Maemo rootsh is misnamed?

[Andrew Flegg]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM, John Holmblad
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> it would appear that the maemo app rootsh is confusingly  misnamed the
> same as the standard rootsh command. [...]

Can you point me to a web page about the "standard" rootsh command?
I've never encountered it on a UNIX-like system before, and isn't on
my current Ubuntu box.

> My understanding of the standard rootsh command is that,
> in order to get a root shell with rootsh, the user must invoke rootsh
> using sudo.

So the behaviour of the rootsh you know is really no different to just 'sh'?

> Is it possible that the implementation of maemo rootsh incorporates a
> sudo command?

I believe it does, for that is it's point :-)

It's basically a clone of becomeroot and easyroot, repackaged and put
into Extras, given that instructing users to go to other random repos,
to enable Red Pill mode or to install arbitrary debs is sup-optimal.

Cheers,

Andrew

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Re: How to get Rotation in Advanced Backlight?

[Ryan Abel]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Does the rotation function in Advanced Backlight depend on something
>> else being installed? The screenshot shows the setting and the
>> description mentions it, but it doesn't have that option on my N800.
>>
> I found this:
> http://sse2.net/rotate/
>
> Is this what's necessary to get the screen rotation function in
> Advanced Backlight?
>

(third time's the charm, last two were eaten)

Use qwerty12's rotation support on itT for Diablo.

and, no, a simple statusbar applet does not provides rotation support.
You need a patched xserver and kernel, among others things, we simply
detect for that and show the options if rotaton-support is installed.

Look for a more direct link from the website once qwerty12/jott gets
rotation support into Extras/Extras-devel.
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Maemo rootsh is misnamed?

[John Holmblad]

All,

it would appear that the maemo app rootsh is confusingly  misnamed the 
same as the standard rootsh command. I noticed while using it on the 
N800 via ssh that it does not require me to enter a password and 
nonetheless it provides root privileges after I first log in as a 
non-root user. My understanding of the standard rootsh command is that, 
in order to get a root shell with rootsh, the user must invoke rootsh 
using sudo.

Is it possible that the implementation of maemo rootsh incorporates a 
sudo command?

I guess that the author

meant it when he asserted "Get root easily"!


Here is the url to the www page at the maemo www site for this maemo 
command:

http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/

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RE: Hello World Example Fails

[Dr. Nicholas Shaw]

Thanks, Cedric - I'll check the log.  Since I'm running the most current
version of Debian and I installed the compilers (gcc and g++) along with
Glade, etc. I just assumed that the install script would work.  

If I ever find a C++ compiler for Maemo (OS2008), I'll be able to do the
work needed directly on the N810.  It seems that might be awhile... :-(

As I encounter issues, I'll post them to the developer forum as recommended
by Graham Cobb and I appreciate the responses and help!

Nick.


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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 01:10
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Subject: Re: Hello World Example Fails

> It goes well until
> the step "checking whether the C compiler works..."  There I get an error,
> "error: cannot run C compiled programs."

You will find more explanations by observing the actual error messages
in config.log. You will see what commands were tried by configure with
their output.

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Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs

[Tony Green]

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > After the OS upgrade I started getting low battery warnings when my
> > N800 was not connected to AC power for "a while" (less than a few
> > hours).  I do not remember having this problem when my N800 was
> > running OS2007.
> 
> I would first recommend to see if you have badly behaving application
> which is waking up CPU too often. Other option is to disable WLAN
> altogether using Offline mode and try to test if it's really WLAN
> related.

A lot of audio applications in particular seem to behave badly where power's 
concerned, still consuming a lot even when they aren't playing. Canola's 
particularly nasty in that respect, in my experience.


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Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs

[Kalle Valo]

"ext John Holmblad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Kalle,

Hi John,

> thanks for the response,and yes, after another day of work with the
> upgraded OS on the N800 I concluded that the N800 was low on battery
> as a result of either
>
> a) the unit was not fully charged to begin with, or
>
> b) for a while I used the speakers on the N800 to listen to the radio
> while I was working, or
>
> c)  the processor was working hard while doing the downloads/upgrades.
>
> At this point the unit is behaving quite nicely from a power
> consumption perspective even though the wilaninfo app shows signal
> quality at ~40% with the poll interval set to 5 sec.

Ok, let's hope that the problem you saw was just a random glitch.

> It also appears that all of my client wireless cards are running
> 802.11g because the wilaninfo app is showing the raw channel rate as
> fluctuating between  36, 48, and 54mbps.

Actually 11g devices can always use 54 Mbps even if there are 11b
devices around. What the AP will do is that it will enable the so
called ERP protection methods CTS-to-Self and long slot time, which
make it possible for 11g devices to still use higher bitrates.

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Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs

[Kalle Valo]

"ext Frederic Crozat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Kalle Valo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> This is getting difficult. So if your ADSL line is dead for a day your
>> WLAN AP will not work, did I understand this right? If yes, that sucks
>> big time.
>
> Only if there is also a power loss and AP need to reboot (it needs
> ADSL line working to download its firmware over DSL at each boot).
> And frankly, it is not really an issue (no downtime for several
> years for myself ;).

Good then. For me that kind of setup just sounds too much of a company
control for my taste.

>>> Anyway, I've pinged Freebox engineer in hope they might have a clue on
>>> the issue.
>>
>> That's your only chance, unfortunately. I would assume now that WLAN
>> is getting more popular in mobile phones they would get more pressure
>> to fix this. Let's hope for the best.
>
> Well, when I discussed with them, they told me they already fixed
> PSM for usage with Wifi phones they are selling. So, PSM is working,
> but not (yet) with Nokia internet tablet ;)

Then that's very strange. I wonder do they refer here that they fixed
the frame loss problems (ie. disconnecting from networks etc) or power
consumption problems.

If I would just get access to this device for few hours. This is not
easy.

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Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs

[Kalle Valo]

"ext Andrew Daviel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I opened a ticket with Proxim.

Very good, thanks.

> They suggest turning off SSID broadcast and see if that reduces the
> battery use. Sounds like b/s to me, but I may be wrong. 

Yes, that has nothing to do with your problem.

> If I try that at home, I have to mark the connection as "hidden"
> otherwise I can't select it to connect to, and I suspect it would
> annoy people at work. I still get beacons every 100ms.

Yeah, hiding SSID just makes it more difficult (=slower) to find the
network while scanning, because you have to explicitly scan for all
saved networks. My strong recommendation is to avoid that feature
altogether, and it doesn't really improve security.

> I can't set the wireless chip in my IBM laptop to monitor mode 
> (atheros/madwifi driver)

Madwifi does it a bit differently, here's some documentation:

http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/MonitorModeInterface

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[Fwd: 3 maemo.org pages to improve]

[Quim Gil]

Looking for Maemo users willing to get involved. See below.
--- Begin Message ---
Hi, we have started https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 and a new
list of tasks & bugs is now committed.

In the last sprint we have seen a big improvement at
http://maemo.org/intro/ and I hoped we could start attacking frontally
one of these:

http://maemo.org/community/
http://maemo.org/development/

They have different problems but a common end result: confusion among
maemo.org followers.

Then a third page missing became explicitly obvious at the end of the
meeting: a Get Involved page.

It would be really good to have by the Summit at least these three pages
being just as useful and looking just as good as Intro, Downloads or
News. It can be done, and in fact the (very busy) core team is not even
needed to push them. I'm sure a brainstorm in the mailing lists or ITt
or planet would be enough to get the raw materials and a plan agreed in
this sprint. Then there is two more to execute and complete.

Can someone pick one of these pages and push a proposal, documenting
progress at https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org ? I someone
starts the rest will follow and I will be happy to help.

See also:
https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Content_Cleanup
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3177
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3178

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Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs

[Kalle Valo]

"ext Andrew Daviel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Lots of detail I don't understand. I can see the beacon interval on
> the Proxim APs is 100ms (same as the Linksys default), and see the
> DTIM info (whether data is being held).
>
> IEEE 802.11 Beacon frame, Flags: 
> Type/Subtype: Beacon frame (0x08)
> Frame Control: 0x0080 (Normal)
> Flags: 0x0
> ...0  = PWR MGT: STA will stay up
> IEEE 802.11 wireless LAN management frame
> Fixed parameters (12 bytes)
> Beacon Interval: 0.102400 [Seconds]
> Capability Information: 0x0421
>    ...1 = ESS capabilities: Transmitter is an AP
>  0...   = Automatic Power Save Delivery: apsd not 
> implemented
>
> home and work have the same flags, except at home
> short preample is allowed. I.e. PWR MGT is 0 at home, too.

Beacons (and all other frames originating from the AP) will always
have the PWR MGT bit zeroed, because AP will never sleep.

> We have multiple APs at work; I assume that in normal operation the
> tablet is registered with only one and will ignore beacons from
> the others.

Correct.

> All the packets from home, and most from work, show as "malformed
> packet" for some reason. airodump didn't offer a capture length and
> the packets are fairly small (85 bytes) so I don't think truncated

Usually missing FCS causes this. There's a setting in Wireshark under
IEEE 802.11 to enable and disable FCS calculation. Try reverting that
option.

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Re: Installing wget on Os2008/Diablo

[Matt Emson]

Ryan Abel wrote:
> becomeroot is deprecated. rootsh should be used instead, as it is
> available in Extras.
>   

Without me having to go on a hunt for info, what is the difference? It 
does the same thing, right?

M
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Re: Installing wget on Os2008/Diablo

[Ryan Abel]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Matt Emson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Holmblad wrote:
>
> Log in as root (install becomeroot deb and type "sudo gainroot" in
> terminal.. or do the ssh trick, whatever you find easier.)
>

becomeroot is deprecated. rootsh should be used instead, as it is
available in Extras.
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WiFi on 770

[Dean Chester]

Hi
On tuesday my 770 connected to my WiFi network. It ran out of battery  
and disconnected its self now it won't connect again. This a recurring  
problem. Is there a fix to this? Is it to do with my wireless network?  
If there isn't a fix how much do you think i will get for it? It comes  
with nothing other than the charger and the metal-plastic casing  
saying nokia.
Dean Chester

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Re: Need C++ Compiler

[Matt Emson]

Kalle Valo wrote:
> "ext Matt Emson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>   
>> As Maemo doesn't use C++ that much (if at all?)
>> 
>
> The browser is written in C++ AFAIK.
>   

But this will not affect the compiler ABI issues I meant to allude to, 
well, unless you need to link to the browser in some way. The important 
thing with C++ always seems to be the version of ABI the compiler is 
using. e.g. back in my Zaurus days, QTopia used GCC 2.95.X and Opie 
(based on QTopia) changed their compiler to 3.X and no older apps worked 
without a lot of pain. With Maemo mainly being C based, the C++ compiler 
only needs to be happy with itself, not the other libs on the system - 
unless the system ships with a lot of libs in a specific ABI that you 
need to use.

M

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Re: Hello World Example Fails

[Cedric Cellier]

> It goes well until
> the step "checking whether the C compiler works..."  There I get an error,
> "error: cannot run C compiled programs."

You will find more explanations by observing the actual error messages
in config.log. You will see what commands were tried by configure with
their output.

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Re: Installing wget on Os2008/Diablo

[Matt Emson]

John Holmblad wrote:

Log in as root (install becomeroot deb and type "sudo gainroot" in 
terminal.. or do the ssh trick, whatever you find easier.)

apt-get install wget



> All,
>
> has anyone been able to install wget on OS2008/Diablo?
>
>  If so can you share how you did it? I thought I saw wget on the 
> application manager list but if it was there, it is gone now. Is the 
> easiest way to simply enable red pill mode, run the application manager, 
> install it and then turn off red pill mode?
>
>
>   

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Re: Need C++ Compiler

[Matt Emson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That wsa on Debian.  I imagine things may be worse on maemo.

It uninstalls everything until the daemon that watches for crashes 
reboots the OS and it then fails to start because the fundamental OS is 
no longer bootable. It does make you type in a long phrase to confirm 
you are sure (stupid?) enough to do it though. I realised it was a bad 
idea when it started removing pretty much the core of the OS.. too late 
by then though.

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