Re: Nokia device usage

[Jean-Christian de Rivaz]

John Holmblad a écrit :
> Jean-Christian,
> 
> interesting. And from the diagram I see your point.
> 
> Of course the N95 is a full function mobile phone and based on that N95 
> diagram I would expect that the heavy lifting of the 3G voice and HSPA 
> protocols for voice and non-voice (packet) data above the physical layer 
> would be implemented/managed between the Baseband  and the Application  
> processor shown in that diagram as Texas Instruments devices. This in 
> turn would suggest to me that that whether a device of this hardware 
> design does or does not support 3G voice (not HSPA packetized voice) 
> would be determined by whatever firmware/software is on the device and 
> not by the hardware components in this design.
> 
> I should also note that one of the mobile device component suppliers, ST 
> Ericsson, for their AERO RF TRANSCEIVER RF component family  does 
> mention in their marketing brochure  available as an Adobe Acrobat .pdf 
> at the www page whose url is
> 
> http://www.stericsson.com/sales_marketing_resources/RFBR_1.pdf
> 
> that these components can be used for either
> 
> Tri-band HSPA + quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE digital cellular handsets
> 
> or
> 
> Tri-band HSPA + quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE digital cellular data modems
> 
> In other words, the components suppliers such as ST Ericsson realize  
> that their customers (the mobile handset manufacturers) may be 
> interested in non-voice data devices as well as full function handsets. 
> But here again that differentiation ( data device only vs full handset) 
> would be determined by baseband firmware/software.

The handset or modem are only "targeted applications". A transceiver is 
mostly a analog chip. At this stage of the 2G/3G chain, there is little 
if no difference between the voice and the data streams. And if it 
exists at all, the voice will probably be a simpler configuration of the 
circuit required to make HSPA.

As you point out, the question is now focused on the baseband processor, 
and more probably his firmware. If this is the case, then the cost will 
be a bad excuse to not have voice and SMS support, especially for a high 
end device.

Best Regards,
-- 
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Re: gpe Calendar

[Florian Boor]

Hi,

Mark schrieb:
>> http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/GPE-calendar.shtml
>> takes you, is still not working for me.

oh well... what a pain.
I'm tempted to offer a bounty for finally getting rid of the old GPE website ;-)

Greetings

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Re: gpe Calendar

[Florian Boor]

OgnenD schrieb:
> Can you spell "unfinished software"? Why do I need two pieces of software to 
> run one calendar? Blah.

You are not used to the Unix way of application design, right? ;-)

Greetings

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Re: Iphone + tethering - No Way

[John Holmblad]

Jonathan,

it occurs to me that the bottleneck is probably due to the fact that 

a) the computer that is being reached by the RDP session and where
the www browser is running is behind an Asymmetric DSL circuit  to
the Internet. I ran a speed test on that connection and the
bandwidth in the direction TO the Internet and the tethered laptop
from that computer is only ~369 kbps measured using the bandwidth
test at the www page whose url is

http://www.speakeasy/net/speedtest

combined with the fact that

b) on the tethered laptop side of the connection the measured
bandwidth in the direction from the laptop + mobile device TO the
Internet is only ~64kbps as measured using the same bandwidth test.


Thus the large and frequent (due to the dancing baloney etc) 
differential graphics frames being "played out" from the computer to the 
laptop RDP client at the above average bit rate of ~369 kbps combined 
with the TCP ACK packets being returned at the ~64kbps bit rate are 
conspiring to deliver relatively poor performance,

One of the reasons why a direct visit to a www site (i.e. not through 
the RDP/VNC/Server based browser) but through a browser running on the 
tethered laptop seems to work better is that, of course, the browser can 
and does open up multiple TCP connections to grab the image and other 
content from the visited www site wherever that www site is located on 
the Internet.

Best Regards,

 

John Holmblad

 Acadia Secure Networks, LLC




Jonathan Greene wrote:
> I thought when you remoted into a machine it used the local connection
> on that device and not your connection.  You'd only need to receive
> the differences in the screen but that should not be too terrible.  I
> do plenty of streaming and tethering (together sometimes even) and 2Gb
> is a lot of data.  I have an hour each day in either direction to burn
> on my commute.
>
> The text message is your voicemail notice coming through as visual
> voicemail on a non-compatible device.  I use Spinvox to which I've
> forwarded my voicemail and they send back a text version of the
> message - as well as in my email.  I couldn't take the BS from ATT
> anymore.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Brad Midgley  wrote:
>   
>> Hey
>>
>> I've also used the iPhone sim for data etc in a less locked-down
>> device. Have you noticed the strange text messages you get whenever
>> there's a status change on the voicemailbox? It can be annoying. The
>> text message is a URL and appears to be related to iPhone's special
>> handling of voicemail.
>>
>> It would be nice if we could figure out their special voicemail
>> handler, or, barring that, just filter out these messages.
>>
>> Jonathan Greene  wrote:
>> 
>>> I've been using the original iPhone SIM in various devices for years
>>> now and I tether all kinds of mobile devices from laptops, N810,
>>> netbooks ... no issues. I've cleared 2Gb a few times, but 5 would be
>>> more like your only connection ...
>>>   
>> --
>> Brad Midgley
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   
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Re: gpe Calendar

[Erik Hovland]

>>> Bugzilla isn't responding, and the page won't load...
>>
>> strange, works for me.
>>
>
> This URL:
> http://bugzilla.handhelds.org/
> which is where the link on this page:
> http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/GPE-calendar.shtml
> takes you, is still not working for me.

Let's just say that GPE moved to linuxtogo.org a long time ago:
http://bugs.linuxtogo.org/
http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/projects/GPE-calendar.shtml

Those are the current links.

E

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Re: gpe Calendar

[Mark]

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Mark  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Florian Boor
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>> Bugzilla isn't responding, and the page won't load...
>>
>> strange, works for me.
>>
>
> This URL:
> http://bugzilla.handhelds.org/
> which is where the link on this page:
> http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/GPE-calendar.shtml
> takes you, is still not working for me.
>
> Mark
>

Okay, I found the maemo version bugzilla and entered the bug.

Mark
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Re: gpe Calendar

[Mark]

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Florian Boor
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Bugzilla isn't responding, and the page won't load...
>
> strange, works for me.
>

This URL:
http://bugzilla.handhelds.org/
which is where the link on this page:
http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/GPE-calendar.shtml
takes you, is still not working for me.

Mark
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Re: gpe Calendar

[Mark]

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM,   wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:37:07PM -0600, Mark wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM, lakestevensdental
>>  wrote:
>> > Mark wrote:
>> >> Does anybody know where the gpe calendar settings are stored? I
>> >> screwed up trying to subscribe to a public Google calendar and now gpe
>> >> calendar crashes on open before it finishes displaying the first
>> >> screen. I just need to be able to remove that entry from whatever
>> >> config file is involved. I can't do it from the GUI because of the
>> >> crashing.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Mark
>> >>
>> > You might try Erming sync program and change your Google calendar
>> > settings there.  In theory, when you update, it will fix your GPE
>> > settings, without GPE running.
>> >
>> No dice. The problem is that I put an invalid URL into the
>> subscription field in gpe calendar itself, which makes it fail when it
>> tries to update when the program starts. Apparently it doesn't know
>> how to handle that gracefully, so instead of an error message it just
>> crashes.
>
> My son Geoffrey suggests:
>
> What happens if your internet connection is down?  Then maybe it might
> know enough not to try to connect?  Then maybe you'd get a chance to
> edit the URL?
>
> -- hendrik

Thanks for the suggestions, but I already solved the issue by deleting
the database (I found it while browsing the tablet for gpe-related
files) and re-syncing. It's working fine now, and I didn't lose
anything.

Mark
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Re: WSJ Article on competition heating up to the Iphone App Store

[Mark]

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:59 PM, John Holmblad
 wrote:
> All,
>
> fyi, an article at the WSJ www page whose url is:
>
>    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123629876097346481.html
>
> concerning new "stores" that are challenging iphone app store.
>
> The article suggests that Apple is asserting the Digital Millennium
> Copyright Act (DMCA)^_1 in support of its argument that jailbreaking an
> iphone violates DMCA.
>
> --
>
> 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmca
>

...but Apple are the best!...

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Re: gpe Calendar

[hendrik]

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:37:07PM -0600, Mark wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM, lakestevensdental
>  wrote:
> > Mark wrote:
> >> Does anybody know where the gpe calendar settings are stored? I
> >> screwed up trying to subscribe to a public Google calendar and now gpe
> >> calendar crashes on open before it finishes displaying the first
> >> screen. I just need to be able to remove that entry from whatever
> >> config file is involved. I can't do it from the GUI because of the
> >> crashing.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Mark
> >>
> > You might try Erming sync program and change your Google calendar
> > settings there.  In theory, when you update, it will fix your GPE
> > settings, without GPE running.
> >
> No dice. The problem is that I put an invalid URL into the
> subscription field in gpe calendar itself, which makes it fail when it
> tries to update when the program starts. Apparently it doesn't know
> how to handle that gracefully, so instead of an error message it just
> crashes.

My son Geoffrey suggests:

What happens if your internet connection is down?  Then maybe it might 
know enough not to try to connect?  Then maybe you'd get a chance to 
edit the URL?

-- hendrik
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Re: gpe Calendar

[Florian Boor]

Hi,

> Bugzilla isn't responding, and the page won't load...

strange, works for me.

Greetings

Florian

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WSJ Article on competition heating up to the Iphone App Store

[John Holmblad]

All,

fyi, an article at the WSJ www page whose url is:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123629876097346481.html


concerning new "stores" that are challenging iphone app store.

The article suggests that Apple is asserting the Digital Millennium 
Copyright Act (DMCA)^_1 in support of its argument that jailbreaking an 
iphone violates DMCA.


-- 

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmca



Best Regards,

 

John Holmblad

 

Acadia Secure Networks, LLC

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Re: gpe Calendar

[Mark]

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Florian Boor
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Mark schrieb:
>> Does anybody know where the gpe calendar settings are stored? I
>
> these are stored in /home/user/.gpe/calendar. Its a SQLite database file so if
> you install the SQLite application and know a little bit of SQL you can fix 
> the
> database without deleting it.
> Please file a bug report against gpe-calendar so that we don't forget to fix
> this issue some time.
>
> Greetings
>
> Florian
>
> --
> The dream of yesterday                  Florian Boor
> is the hope of today                    Tel: +49 271-771091-15
> and the reality of tomorrow.            Fax: +49 271-771091-19
> [Robert Hutchings Goddard, 1904]        florian.b...@kernelconcepts.de
>                                        http://www.kernelconcepts.de/en
>

Bugzilla isn't responding, and the page won't load...

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Re: gpe Calendar

[Florian Boor]

Hi,

Mark schrieb:
> Does anybody know where the gpe calendar settings are stored? I

these are stored in /home/user/.gpe/calendar. Its a SQLite database file so if
you install the SQLite application and know a little bit of SQL you can fix the
database without deleting it.
Please file a bug report against gpe-calendar so that we don't forget to fix
this issue some time.

Greetings

Florian

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Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

[James Knott]

Mark wrote:

From:
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/french-police-saves-millions-of-euros-by-adopting-ubuntu.ars

"Games are not our priority"

I guess they're not into "Cops and Robbers".  ;-)

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Re: gpe Calendar

[Mark]

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:39 PM, OgnenD  wrote:
> On Friday 13 March 2009 14:37:07 Mark wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM, lakestevensdental
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > Mark wrote:
>> >> Does anybody know where the gpe calendar settings are stored? I
>> >> screwed up trying to subscribe to a public Google calendar and now gpe
>> >> calendar crashes on open before it finishes displaying the first
>> >> screen. I just need to be able to remove that entry from whatever
>> >> config file is involved. I can't do it from the GUI because of the
>> >> crashing.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Mark
>> >
>> > You might try Erming sync program and change your Google calendar
>> > settings there.  In theory, when you update, it will fix your GPE
>> > settings, without GPE running.
>>
>> No dice. The problem is that I put an invalid URL into the
>> subscription field in gpe calendar itself, which makes it fail when it
>> tries to update when the program starts. Apparently it doesn't know
>> how to handle that gracefully, so instead of an error message it just
>> crashes.
>>
>> I know that's the problem because that's the only thing that changed
>> when the crashing started.
>>
>> Uninstalling and reinstalling doesn't help, either. If I could just
>> find the file that stores the subscription info and manually remove
>> the bad URL and associated settings everything would be fine.
>>
>> I fixed the crashing by locating and removing the calendar database,
>> but now the calendar just remains blank and the Erminig updates aren't
>> repopulating gpe. Sigh...
>>
>> Mark
>
> Can you spell "unfinished software"? Why do I need two pieces of software to
> run one calendar? Blah.
>
> Ognen
>

Actually, the gpe calendar works just fine by itself (when the id10t
at the keyboard doesn't do something incredibly stupid...). Erminig
only lets you sync it with Google calendar, and is very simple and
works very well. Exactly two clicks to do the update, and setting up a
calendar is a piece of cake.

Apps can't always be set up out of the box to work with unrelated apps/data...

...So anyway I removed the entries from Erminig and re-added them
(took all of a minute), and now everything is hunkey-dorey again!
(Apparently the sync process remembers events that have been synced
and not changed and doesn't waste bandwidth re-syncing them.)

Mark
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Re: gpe Calendar

[OgnenD]

On Friday 13 March 2009 14:37:07 Mark wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM, lakestevensdental
>
>  wrote:
> > Mark wrote:
> >> Does anybody know where the gpe calendar settings are stored? I
> >> screwed up trying to subscribe to a public Google calendar and now gpe
> >> calendar crashes on open before it finishes displaying the first
> >> screen. I just need to be able to remove that entry from whatever
> >> config file is involved. I can't do it from the GUI because of the
> >> crashing.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Mark
> >
> > You might try Erming sync program and change your Google calendar
> > settings there.  In theory, when you update, it will fix your GPE
> > settings, without GPE running.
>
> No dice. The problem is that I put an invalid URL into the
> subscription field in gpe calendar itself, which makes it fail when it
> tries to update when the program starts. Apparently it doesn't know
> how to handle that gracefully, so instead of an error message it just
> crashes.
>
> I know that's the problem because that's the only thing that changed
> when the crashing started.
>
> Uninstalling and reinstalling doesn't help, either. If I could just
> find the file that stores the subscription info and manually remove
> the bad URL and associated settings everything would be fine.
>
> I fixed the crashing by locating and removing the calendar database,
> but now the calendar just remains blank and the Erminig updates aren't
> repopulating gpe. Sigh...
>
> Mark

Can you spell "unfinished software"? Why do I need two pieces of software to 
run one calendar? Blah.

Ognen
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Re: gpe Calendar

[Mark]

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM, lakestevensdental
 wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>> Does anybody know where the gpe calendar settings are stored? I
>> screwed up trying to subscribe to a public Google calendar and now gpe
>> calendar crashes on open before it finishes displaying the first
>> screen. I just need to be able to remove that entry from whatever
>> config file is involved. I can't do it from the GUI because of the
>> crashing.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>>
> You might try Erming sync program and change your Google calendar
> settings there.  In theory, when you update, it will fix your GPE
> settings, without GPE running.
>
No dice. The problem is that I put an invalid URL into the
subscription field in gpe calendar itself, which makes it fail when it
tries to update when the program starts. Apparently it doesn't know
how to handle that gracefully, so instead of an error message it just
crashes.

I know that's the problem because that's the only thing that changed
when the crashing started.

Uninstalling and reinstalling doesn't help, either. If I could just
find the file that stores the subscription info and manually remove
the bad URL and associated settings everything would be fine.

I fixed the crashing by locating and removing the calendar database,
but now the calendar just remains blank and the Erminig updates aren't
repopulating gpe. Sigh...

Mark
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Re: gpe Calendar

[lakestevensdental]

You might try Erming sync program and change your Google calendar 
settings there.  In theory, when you update, it will fix your GPE 
settings, without GPE running. 

Mark wrote:
> Does anybody know where the gpe calendar settings are stored? I
> screwed up trying to subscribe to a public Google calendar and now gpe
> calendar crashes on open before it finishes displaying the first
> screen. I just need to be able to remove that entry from whatever
> config file is involved. I can't do it from the GUI because of the
> crashing.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
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gpe Calendar

[Mark]

Does anybody know where the gpe calendar settings are stored? I
screwed up trying to subscribe to a public Google calendar and now gpe
calendar crashes on open before it finishes displaying the first
screen. I just need to be able to remove that entry from whatever
config file is involved. I can't do it from the GUI because of the
crashing.

Thanks,
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Unix vs Windows security - enough already?

[Adilson Oliveira]

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Re: Ihpone on Steroids to IT G5?

[Brad Midgley]

John

> all this most likely done to keep the battery drain to a minimum...

This is one of Apple's mantras, but the primary motivation for the
arbitrary limitations is to maintain tight control over the platform.

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Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

[Mark]

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:16 PM, George Farris  wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:15 -0600, Mark Haury wrote:
>> James Knott wrote:
>> Windows doesn't need (never has, and never will) to have the capability for
>> simultaneous users. What would be the point? As PCs continue to shrink in 
>> size
>> as they increase in power, it makes a lot more sense for everybody to have 
>> their
>> own separate computer and not share someone else's. Home networking is a
>> no-brainer if they want or need to share anything.
>>
>
> The point my friend, would be to separate the different processes such
> as apache, postfix, desktop apps etc into different user ids thus
> gaining a logical, built in, separation of security boundaries.
>

Windows does this...

>
>> The fact remains that in spite of theories and claims, actual unaided 
>> attacks on
>> Windows boxes that are successful are actually quite rare. The ones that are
>> successful are usually because of the gaping security hole between the 
>> keyboard
>> and the chair. The so-called holes are exploited in contrived circumstances
>> which are much more difficult to find in the wild.
>
> As evident by the HUGH number of patches we see coming down the pipe for
> Windows.  And yes, there are lots of patches for Linux but by far and
> wide most of those are for applications not the kernel.
>

Circular reasoning...

>> >>>
>> >> Again, Linux is *NOT* Unix. Regardless, since no one is putting
>> >> serious effort into developing viruses and such for it (there's
>> >> exactly zero payoff)
>
> No what would be the advantage to getting into such small sites as say
> oh Google, Youtube, Facebook, Wikipedia all of which run Linux, not
> Windows or Unix for a reason.
>

Yeah, that reason being that it's free and they can do what they want with it...

> Face it Windows is like stacking up books one on top of the other and
> standing on the top, after adding about 5 or 6 services it gets pretty
> wobbly and fragile.
>

...and as I've said, Linux isn't anywhere nearly as stable as you want
everybody to believe. I've already had to forcibly reboot my Eee PC
three times because kubuntu crashed, and I only got the machine
Tuesday night.

>> >>
>> > There's a lot more in common than different.  You can generally take
>> > source code and compile it to run on either.
>>
>
> Way more common and Linux is pulling major market share from Unix.
>

...because it's *free* and Unix is more expensive than Windows...

>> As time goes on, Linux becomes more like Windows than like Unix as far as the
>> user experience. There are very compelling reasons for that.
>>
>
> This is just plain not true.  Such as running Linux with only a console,
> nothing like Windows.  Look at Linux running on big iron and it's a
> different story.
>

Yeah, the "average user" really runs Linux with only a console...NOT!

>
>> >> ...and you make it sound so easy to compromise Windows, and so hard to
>> >> compromise *Linux* (you keep saying Unix when what you really mean is
>> >> Linux...). The reality is somewhat different, and the ease of security
>> >> breach is directly related to the operator/owner's actions and
>> >> settings rather than the OS.
>
> No the design of the systems are completely different, maybe have a go
> at reading Operating Systems, Design and Implementation by Andrew
> Tanenbaum, it laid out rather nicely in there.
>

Who said the underlying architecture isn't completely different? What
I said was that the user experience is becoming much more similar,
which is the only way that Linux will ever make inroads into the
average user's desktop, and that requires certain compromises that
reduce security.

>
>> I hate Micro$oft and Windows as much as anybody (as much because they've 
>> trained
>> society to accept bugs as "normal" than anything else), but I hate even more 
>> the
>> fact that I *still* have to waste a significant amount of space on my hard
>> drives for dual-booting into Windows to do the things that Linux can't do. 
>> The
>> fact remains that the reason Linux hasn't taken over the world is because it
>> just doesn't meet the needs of most users, especially the less techie ones.
>>
>
> Hmm, first, try running VirtualBox or something similar and forget dual
> booting, and second the rest of the computing world seems to be heading
> towards the,

Virtualization is NOT the answer. It's a PITA to set up and has all
kinds of issues that no one is talking about.

>Yes Linux is good and does meet the needs of most users as
> evident by the growing number of users.

I guess your idea of "most users" is different than mine. "Growing"
and "most" are very different concepts in my mind, and "growing" from
0.44% to 0.80% market share is hardly impressive. That's an "82%
increase", which sounds good until you notice that the actual numbers
are so tiny.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2179

Then there's the fact that the netbooks, which are the #1 reason for
the Linux market share increase i

Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

[James Knott]

Henrik Madsen wrote:
> ThinLinc from www.cendio.com is a perfect
> alternative to Citrix which also works perfectly
> on *nix software. It is built on open source product
> and offers a very cheap and more reliable solution
> compared to Citrix.
>
>   

I'm not familiar with that, but it's still an add on to Windows to
accomplish what's standard with Linux & Unix.  I have multiple Linux
systems here.  I can remotely access them, either with a full desktop or
just an individual app, without worrying about someone else ( my dog or
cat :-) using them.


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Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

[James Knott]

kenneth marken wrote:
>
> hell, the story goes that microsoft killed of smart displays as it
> would be a cheap way to do multi-user on xp home. something that would
> undermine their more expensive multi-user licenses on win2k3 (where,
> iirc, you pay ones for the os, and ones for the number of users you
> want able to access the system at the same time).
I have used RDC and IIRC, you could log in as the user or, if you wanted
to use a different account, i.e. admin, the user had to log out.  It's
been a while since I've used it, so my memory may need replacing.  ;-)


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Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

[kenneth marken]

James Knott wrote:
> George Farris wrote:
>> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:15 -0600, Mark Haury wrote:
>>   
>>> James Knott wrote:
>>> Windows doesn't need (never has, and never will) to have the capability for 
>>> simultaneous users. What would be the point? As PCs continue to shrink in 
>>> size 
>>> as they increase in power, it makes a lot more sense for everybody to have 
>>> their 
>>> own separate computer and not share someone else's. Home networking is a 
>>> no-brainer if they want or need to share anything.
>>>
>>> 
>> The point my friend, would be to separate the different processes such
>> as apache, postfix, desktop apps etc into different user ids thus
>> gaining a logical, built in, separation of security boundaries.
>>
>>   
> 
> The point I made about Citrix is that many companies have a need to run
> multiple users on a server.  Citrix came up with a way to make that
> possible, as Windows by itself can't do that.  While you can have
> multiple users on Windows, they can't be on at the same time.  That sort
> of thing comes standard with Linux or Unix.
> 
i could have sworn that microsoft have remote desktop now.

hell, the story goes that microsoft killed of smart displays as it would 
be a cheap way to do multi-user on xp home. something that would 
undermine their more expensive multi-user licenses on win2k3 (where, 
iirc, you pay ones for the os, and ones for the number of users you want 
able to access the system at the same time).
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Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

[Henrik Madsen]

ThinLinc from www.cendio.com is a perfect
alternative to Citrix which also works perfectly
on *nix software. It is built on open source product
and offers a very cheap and more reliable solution
compared to Citrix.

BR Henrik




On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 07:22:26AM -0400, James Knott wrote:
> George Farris wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:15 -0600, Mark Haury wrote:
> >   
> >> James Knott wrote:
> >> Windows doesn't need (never has, and never will) to have the capability 
> >> for 
> >> simultaneous users. What would be the point? As PCs continue to shrink in 
> >> size 
> >> as they increase in power, it makes a lot more sense for everybody to have 
> >> their 
> >> own separate computer and not share someone else's. Home networking is a 
> >> no-brainer if they want or need to share anything.
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > The point my friend, would be to separate the different processes such
> > as apache, postfix, desktop apps etc into different user ids thus
> > gaining a logical, built in, separation of security boundaries.
> >
> >   
> 
> The point I made about Citrix is that many companies have a need to run
> multiple users on a server.  Citrix came up with a way to make that
> possible, as Windows by itself can't do that.  While you can have
> multiple users on Windows, they can't be on at the same time.  That sort
> of thing comes standard with Linux or Unix.
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Re: Unix vs Windows security (was Re: Nokia device usage)

[James Knott]

George Farris wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:15 -0600, Mark Haury wrote:
>   
>> James Knott wrote:
>> Windows doesn't need (never has, and never will) to have the capability for 
>> simultaneous users. What would be the point? As PCs continue to shrink in 
>> size 
>> as they increase in power, it makes a lot more sense for everybody to have 
>> their 
>> own separate computer and not share someone else's. Home networking is a 
>> no-brainer if they want or need to share anything.
>>
>> 
>
> The point my friend, would be to separate the different processes such
> as apache, postfix, desktop apps etc into different user ids thus
> gaining a logical, built in, separation of security boundaries.
>
>   

The point I made about Citrix is that many companies have a need to run
multiple users on a server.  Citrix came up with a way to make that
possible, as Windows by itself can't do that.  While you can have
multiple users on Windows, they can't be on at the same time.  That sort
of thing comes standard with Linux or Unix.

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Re: Ihpone on Steroids to IT G5?

[kenneth marken]

John Holmblad wrote:
> Kevin,
> 
> agreed. A more indepth discussion with some of those other users would 
> have provided the opportunity to reveal that value associated with a 
> Linux based mobile device.
> 
> Now I have to wonder, does the iphone OS support multitasking?Is it a 
> stripped down version of OS X? I;ll do some reading to find out.
> 

iirc, yes on both questions. but apple denied third party apps the 
ability to run in the background. also, pull style protocols where 
supposedly limited to go via a apple "proxy" that would turn them into 
push protocols, by bundling updates. iirc, said proxy is way overdue.

all this most likely done to keep the battery drain to a minimum...

> Best Regards,
> 
>  John Holmblad
> Acadia Secure Networks, LLC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kevin T. Neely wrote:
>> they likely don't care about multi-tasking until you give a concrete 
>> example of a multi-tasking scenario:  say, listening to mp3s while 
>> using IM..  Or, switching between browsing, IM, and [your favourite 
>> iPhone app here].
>>
>> concepts like multi-tasking tend to go over most people's heads until 
>> an example that directly impacts them comes into play.
>>
>> K
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:03 PM, John Holmblad 
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>> the post at the www page whose url is
>>
>>  
>>  http://www.thestreet.com/story/10470711/1/rim-apple-feast-on-nokia.html
>>
>> frames the experience I had today.
>>
>> While seated at a luncheon following a technical  meeting
>> (Cisco/VMware/Netapp/etc)  I duly noted that I was among a crowd (that
>> would be ~6-8 people)  where the average mobile device at the
>> table was
>> somewhere between the iphone and the blackberry.
>>
>> While explaining what I do to the individual seated next to me , I
>> brought the N800 into the discussion and  I blithely asserted that the
>> N800 is, well,.like an iphone on steroids but without a GSM or
>> CDMA radio for voice.  Although the listener,  knows that LInux is, in
>> fact,  an operating system, and is aware of the TMobile G1 (but not
>> Android), that individual did not perceive it as a big deal that the
>> N800 runs LInux and is therefore capable of multitasking. This is
>> perhaps what I expected, that is, the end user, even of the kind
>> (let's
>> call them technically sophisticated professionals) who would
>> attend such
>> an event, does not really care about these things.
>>
>> I did ask the iphone user about her experience with the device and she
>> said she loved it. And during a discussion on iphone jailbreaking she
>> confirmed that one of her friends has jailbroken his iphone to get
>> tethering to work.
>>
>> I think that the following commentary
>>
>> > For consumers, it appears that features such as the touchscreen
>> > interface are more in demand than the OS. Since the iPhone was
>> > released, almost every major phone manufacturer is offering a
>> > touch-screen model, many of which are not smartphones
>>
>> from the wireless week article whose url is:
>>
>>http://www.wirelessweek.com/article.aspx?id=166592
>>
>> says it all although the same article does have some positive
>> things to
>> say about the Nokia Nseries
>>
>>
>> And speaking of Nokia and the Iphone, here is the url to another
>> posting
>> from the thestreet.com  www site that
>> suggests that Nokia will join hands
>> with Verizon Wireless to take on the ATT/Iphone Cabal:
>>
>>
>> 
>> http://www.thestreet.com/story/10468078/1/nokia-verizon-plan-exclusive-4g-device.html
>>
>>
>> Maybe what the article's author is referring to without knowing it
>> is G5
>> of the IT?
>>
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>>
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>>
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