Re: Android device coming soon from Nokia?
Actually, Maemo is more likely than Android. For the previously stated reasons, Nokia wants to keep it proprietary. Mark On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Chris Vail wrote: > Maybe Nokia's collaboration with Intel will run Android? > > --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Jonathan Greene wrote: > > From: Jonathan Greene > Subject: Re: Android device coming soon from Nokia? > To: "Mark" > Cc: "Maemo users" > Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 8:23 AM > > preaching to the choir ... > > Look at how FriendView works - Nokia Only. Vs. Google Latitude - all > platforms (iphone soon) and built into google maps. > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Mark wrote: >> ...which is exactly the worst attitude they could possibly have. It's >> that proprietary layer that's holding them back and making things >> difficult for the users of their devices as well as the developers. If >> they could get it through their thick heads that flexibility always >> wins over proprietary, they would get a lot closer to their goals. >> >> And if they really are trying to become a "services company", that >> doesn't bode well for support for *any* Nokia devices, or even their >> "services". Can you say, "Psion"?.. >> >> Mark >> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Jonathan >> Greene wrote: >>> I think Nokia would have to seriously differentiate if they went Android >>> ... >>> >>> without a substantial custom layer, they risk being a hardware only >>> player which goes against their desired evolution into a services >>> company ... that said extending services onto other platforms would be >>> a great idea. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Andrea Grandi wrote: I really would buy a Nokia phone with Android... 2009/7/6 Mark : > Yeah, well, Nokia has been denying a lot of things lately, and if they > are really relying on Symbian for their smartphones they are > guaranteeing failure in the long run. Symbian just doesn't have the > flexibility or power necessary to be really competitive. Like PalmOS, > it was great in its day, but the fundamental limitations are just too > great. > > Mark > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Jonathan > Greene wrote: >> Nokia's denial - >> http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSL613838520090706 >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Gary wrote: >>> This should be interesting... >>> >>> http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sqrya-hNKEmn5iLRAfqL-dQ/view.m?id=120437&tid=34&cat=technology >>> ___ >> >> http://jonathangreene.tel > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://jonathangreene.tel >>> >> ___ >> maemo-users mailing list >> maemo-users@maemo.org >> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users >> > > > > -- > http://jonathangreene.tel > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Android device coming soon from Nokia?
Maybe Nokia's collaboration with Intel will run Android? --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Jonathan Greene wrote: From: Jonathan Greene Subject: Re: Android device coming soon from Nokia? To: "Mark" Cc: "Maemo users" Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 8:23 AM preaching to the choir ... Look at how FriendView works - Nokia Only. Vs. Google Latitude - all platforms (iphone soon) and built into google maps. On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Mark wrote: > ...which is exactly the worst attitude they could possibly have. It's > that proprietary layer that's holding them back and making things > difficult for the users of their devices as well as the developers. If > they could get it through their thick heads that flexibility always > wins over proprietary, they would get a lot closer to their goals. > > And if they really are trying to become a "services company", that > doesn't bode well for support for *any* Nokia devices, or even their > "services". Can you say, "Psion"?.. > > Mark > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Jonathan > Greene wrote: >> I think Nokia would have to seriously differentiate if they went Android ... >> >> without a substantial custom layer, they risk being a hardware only >> player which goes against their desired evolution into a services >> company ... that said extending services onto other platforms would be >> a great idea. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Andrea Grandi wrote: >>> I really would buy a Nokia phone with Android... >>> >>> 2009/7/6 Mark : Yeah, well, Nokia has been denying a lot of things lately, and if they are really relying on Symbian for their smartphones they are guaranteeing failure in the long run. Symbian just doesn't have the flexibility or power necessary to be really competitive. Like PalmOS, it was great in its day, but the fundamental limitations are just too great. Mark On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Jonathan Greene wrote: > Nokia's denial - > http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSL613838520090706 > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Gary wrote: >> This should be interesting... >> http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sqrya-hNKEmn5iLRAfqL-dQ/view.m?id=120437&tid=34&cat=technology >> ___ > > http://jonathangreene.tel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Andrea Grandi >>> email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com >>> website: http://www.andreagrandi.it >>> PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc >>> ___ >>> maemo-users mailing list >>> maemo-users@maemo.org >>> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://jonathangreene.tel >> > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > -- http://jonathangreene.tel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Android device coming soon from Nokia?
preaching to the choir ... Look at how FriendView works - Nokia Only. Vs. Google Latitude - all platforms (iphone soon) and built into google maps. On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Mark wrote: > ...which is exactly the worst attitude they could possibly have. It's > that proprietary layer that's holding them back and making things > difficult for the users of their devices as well as the developers. If > they could get it through their thick heads that flexibility always > wins over proprietary, they would get a lot closer to their goals. > > And if they really are trying to become a "services company", that > doesn't bode well for support for *any* Nokia devices, or even their > "services". Can you say, "Psion"?.. > > Mark > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Jonathan > Greene wrote: >> I think Nokia would have to seriously differentiate if they went Android ... >> >> without a substantial custom layer, they risk being a hardware only >> player which goes against their desired evolution into a services >> company ... that said extending services onto other platforms would be >> a great idea. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Andrea Grandi wrote: >>> I really would buy a Nokia phone with Android... >>> >>> 2009/7/6 Mark : Yeah, well, Nokia has been denying a lot of things lately, and if they are really relying on Symbian for their smartphones they are guaranteeing failure in the long run. Symbian just doesn't have the flexibility or power necessary to be really competitive. Like PalmOS, it was great in its day, but the fundamental limitations are just too great. Mark On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Jonathan Greene wrote: > Nokia's denial - > http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSL613838520090706 > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Gary wrote: >> This should be interesting... >> http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sqrya-hNKEmn5iLRAfqL-dQ/view.m?id=120437&tid=34&cat=technology >> ___ > > http://jonathangreene.tel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Andrea Grandi >>> email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com >>> website: http://www.andreagrandi.it >>> PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc >>> ___ >>> maemo-users mailing list >>> maemo-users@maemo.org >>> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://jonathangreene.tel >> > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > -- http://jonathangreene.tel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Android device coming soon from Nokia?
...which is exactly the worst attitude they could possibly have. It's that proprietary layer that's holding them back and making things difficult for the users of their devices as well as the developers. If they could get it through their thick heads that flexibility always wins over proprietary, they would get a lot closer to their goals. And if they really are trying to become a "services company", that doesn't bode well for support for *any* Nokia devices, or even their "services". Can you say, "Psion"?.. Mark On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Jonathan Greene wrote: > I think Nokia would have to seriously differentiate if they went Android ... > > without a substantial custom layer, they risk being a hardware only > player which goes against their desired evolution into a services > company ... that said extending services onto other platforms would be > a great idea. > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Andrea Grandi wrote: >> I really would buy a Nokia phone with Android... >> >> 2009/7/6 Mark : >>> Yeah, well, Nokia has been denying a lot of things lately, and if they >>> are really relying on Symbian for their smartphones they are >>> guaranteeing failure in the long run. Symbian just doesn't have the >>> flexibility or power necessary to be really competitive. Like PalmOS, >>> it was great in its day, but the fundamental limitations are just too >>> great. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Jonathan >>> Greene wrote: Nokia's denial - http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSL613838520090706 On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Gary wrote: > This should be interesting... > http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sqrya-hNKEmn5iLRAfqL-dQ/view.m?id=120437&tid=34&cat=technology > ___ http://jonathangreene.tel >>> ___ >>> maemo-users mailing list >>> maemo-users@maemo.org >>> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Andrea Grandi >> email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com >> website: http://www.andreagrandi.it >> PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc >> ___ >> maemo-users mailing list >> maemo-users@maemo.org >> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users >> > > > > -- > http://jonathangreene.tel > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Android device coming soon from Nokia?
I think Nokia would have to seriously differentiate if they went Android ... without a substantial custom layer, they risk being a hardware only player which goes against their desired evolution into a services company ... that said extending services onto other platforms would be a great idea. On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Andrea Grandi wrote: > I really would buy a Nokia phone with Android... > > 2009/7/6 Mark : >> Yeah, well, Nokia has been denying a lot of things lately, and if they >> are really relying on Symbian for their smartphones they are >> guaranteeing failure in the long run. Symbian just doesn't have the >> flexibility or power necessary to be really competitive. Like PalmOS, >> it was great in its day, but the fundamental limitations are just too >> great. >> >> Mark >> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Jonathan >> Greene wrote: >>> Nokia's denial - >>> http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSL613838520090706 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Gary wrote: This should be interesting... http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sqrya-hNKEmn5iLRAfqL-dQ/view.m?id=120437&tid=34&cat=technology ___ >>> >>> http://jonathangreene.tel >> ___ >> maemo-users mailing list >> maemo-users@maemo.org >> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users >> > > > > -- > Andrea Grandi > email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com > website: http://www.andreagrandi.it > PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > -- http://jonathangreene.tel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Android device coming soon from Nokia?
I really would buy a Nokia phone with Android... 2009/7/6 Mark : > Yeah, well, Nokia has been denying a lot of things lately, and if they > are really relying on Symbian for their smartphones they are > guaranteeing failure in the long run. Symbian just doesn't have the > flexibility or power necessary to be really competitive. Like PalmOS, > it was great in its day, but the fundamental limitations are just too > great. > > Mark > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Jonathan > Greene wrote: >> Nokia's denial - >> http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSL613838520090706 >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Gary wrote: >>> This should be interesting... >>> http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sqrya-hNKEmn5iLRAfqL-dQ/view.m?id=120437&tid=34&cat=technology >>> ___ >> >> http://jonathangreene.tel > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Android device coming soon from Nokia?
Yeah, well, Nokia has been denying a lot of things lately, and if they are really relying on Symbian for their smartphones they are guaranteeing failure in the long run. Symbian just doesn't have the flexibility or power necessary to be really competitive. Like PalmOS, it was great in its day, but the fundamental limitations are just too great. Mark On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Jonathan Greene wrote: > Nokia's denial - > http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSL613838520090706 > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Gary wrote: >> This should be interesting... >> http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sqrya-hNKEmn5iLRAfqL-dQ/view.m?id=120437&tid=34&cat=technology >> ___ > > http://jonathangreene.tel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Alter advanced boot
Eric S Fraga wrote: > > I'm interested in the solution to this problem as well. I would like > to boot from my internal memory card but, for some reason, the boot > sequence defaults to the flash disk, even though I'm sure I said > otherwise when setting up the boot parameters. > > Being paranoid, my timeout period is long enough luckily... > > Thanks, > eric > > Well I decided that I wanted to alter some partition sizes and went through the steps again.All is working as it should now. Except for the final questions I think all steps were done the same. I said no to some of the final questions, when on the first pass I had answered yes to all. Said no to certain recovery methods and told it to do a clean-up of some extra things. Sorry, don't have the specific questions, did this late yesterday. I also edited the bootmenu as the instructions state to bring down the default time out. Is there a way to change the default timeout after the setup is complete? I never received an answer. Another observation I had was the idea of virtual memory. OS2008 lets you extend virtual memory up to a max of 128MB in the memory options. Instead, it might be nice if you could create one of those partitions, whatever the size, and tell the OS to use that full partition as virtual memory. Perhaps MER might entertain this idea? Memory cards have become so big now, you could easily partition off a gig or more and still leave plenty for the tablet applications. Sean ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Android device coming soon from Nokia?
Nokia's denial - http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSL613838520090706 On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Gary wrote: > This should be interesting... > http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sqrya-hNKEmn5iLRAfqL-dQ/view.m?id=120437&tid=34&cat=technology > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > -- http://jonathangreene.tel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Xournal porting / Fremantle / Harmattan
Hi I have read, as everyone, the interesting (and somewhat expected) news that Maemo's switching to Qt with Harmattan. I am still not sure, and I'm still in the process of making up my mind about this, but it could affect my porting of Xournal to Fremantle. Porting an application to Fremantle takes time. Unfortunately since I've started working in London I do not have that much spare time (even when I do, I prefer to dedicate most of it to my partner). I do not know if I have enough motivation to make this work for Fremantle knowing I'll have to do it again for Harmattan (and this time from scratch). I'd rather start doing the Qt port now and wait for Harmattan. Moreover, this adds to the fact that I can't run Fremantle full speed on my netbook (not because it doesn't have enough power, but because of an issue with the Intel driver and Clutter that I couldn't find a solution for). True, Harmattan won't be ready for a while, but I don't think it'd be that much time before it's going to be released (a year?) Anyway, the two issues added together are impacting severely my motivation for doing the work. If someone's willing to step in, I'll send him the source code (sorry about it not being available, but I've lost the source code related to Xournal for Chinook, and the code for Diablo is a bit messed up) and she can start from there. I will have a look soon at what actually are the changes for Fremantle and I will confirm my decision at that time. Sorry about that. -- anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
